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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsVatican hits sour note with women, but progress may come
http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-hits-sour-note-women-progress-may-come-115944337.htmlWomen want a seat at the table
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Supper_%28Leonardo_da_Vinci%29#mediaviewer/File:%C3%9Altima_Cena_-_Da_Vinci_5.jpg
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Vatican hits sour note with women, but progress may come (Original Post)
lovuian
Jan 2015
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TexasProgresive
(12,730 posts)1. a more authentic last supper by bohdan piasecki

http://aidanslegacy.typepad.com/lillylewin/2006/04/the_last_supper.html
my favorite painting of the last supper was commissioned in 1998 by irish women who want to have larger part in the leadership of the catholic church.
for me this is the more authentic last supper...the passover meal was a family meal. thus all ages are represented along with women!
even if the social norms of the day prevented women from eating with men, we know that women were a part of jesus' followers and they were a part of his following on a daily basis. jesus was known for not following the norms of the day. he was constantly making the traditionalist, the religious leaders mad because he didn't follow the rules...
so it works for me to have women a part of the last supper. i love using this painting in prayer stations focusing on the last supper, communion...etc.
brer cat
(27,587 posts)2. That is lovely,
and probably far more representative. Thanks for sharing, TP.
TexasProgresive
(12,730 posts)4. We have a yard long print of this picture in our dining room
brer cat
(27,587 posts)5. I googled to find a larger image.
The faces are so interesting. I plan to spend some time going over it in detail.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)3. Very cool. I hope the organization of the church mirrors that vision sooner rather than later.
Pope Francis give me hope.
lovuian
(19,362 posts)6. I love that
Thanks for sharing it. Passover meal was for all ages and women had a seat at the table.
TexasProgresive
(12,730 posts)7. Something else is missing from the table, candles.
For Shabbat (sabbath) and the Seder (passover) 2 candle are to be lighted by a woman of the house.
http://www.jewfaq.org/prayer/shabbat.htm
Setting the Table
The sabbath table should be set with at least two candles (representing the dual commandments to remember and observe the sabbath), a glass of wine, and at least two loaves of challah (representing the dual portion of manna that God provided for the Israelites in preparation for Shabbat in the desert). The challah loaves should be whole, and should be covered with a bread cover, towel or napkin.
Lighting Candles
Candles should be lit no later than 18 minutes before sundown. For the precise time when Shabbat begins in your area, consult the list of candle lighting times provided by the Orthodox Union or any Jewish calendar.
Woman lighting candlesAt least two candles should be lit, representing the dual commandments to remember and to keep the sabbath. The candles are lit by the woman of the household. After lighting, she waves her hands over the candles, welcoming in the sabbath. Then she covers her eyes, so as not to see the candles before reciting the blessing, and recites the blessing below. The hands are then removed from the eyes, and she looks at the candles, completing the mitzvah of lighting the candles.
I am no Jewish and have no real experience of this blessing but I saw it portrayed in a Hallmark movie, "Miss Rose White". So it seems that not only would women be present but they do the first blessing.
http://www.zimbio.com/watch/opybGdHAugZ/Miss+Rose+White/Miss+Rose+White
The contented life of a young Polish Jew who was sent to New York prior to World War II is interrupted by the arrival of her sister, a concentration camp survivor.