Islamic State is deliberately trying to provoke outrage.

[MineralMan]

The most recent incident, where a Jordanian pilot was burned alive, is an example of their increasing brutality. Jordan has promised to respond by executing all ISIS prisoners. That will do nothing, however, to force ISIS to stop its activities. Rather, it will inflame them further.

Islamic State does not care. It will use that as a reason to ramp up its atrocities even further. Fanning flames is what this organization is all about. Attracting more psychopathic adherents is their goal. They will not mourn the ISIS prisoners who are executed. They do not care about those prisoners at all. They are psychopaths, pure and simple.

This is an example of a fanatical movement that has no soul or any compassion. Reprisals will not work, but will simply inflame these fanatics even further. The only solution for ISIS will come when their locations are discovered and their leadership is wiped out, along with whatever psychopaths that leadership has surrounded itself with. Sadly, it will take extreme violence targeting this group to end their insanity.

I have no doubt that efforts are underway to discover where these people are located. When that is discovered, expect massive attacks against them, and many collateral deaths, since this murderous band will have located itself where there are many innocents close by.

[Comrade Grumpy]

1. And it's working. I can hear the bloodthirsty howls right here.

[Yo_Mama]

31. The problem is that a group willing to do this sort of thing will gain power until it is stopped

by outside forces.

If you look at what they have done to the civilian populations under their control, it's not much better. I agree with MineralMan - this is a gathering of psychopaths and to them, sadism is a valid instrument of civil control and means of fundraising.

Well, they may be enjoying tossing the gays off buildings and stoning the women and crucifying people and then the odd really "special" exhibitions such as this, but the world is getting sick of these sickos fast.

[CJCRANE]

2. I agree.

However we need to bear in mind that the same types of things are happening in other countries but we don't feel as much urgency to do anything about it.

ISIS are experts at using social media for maximum impact and our own MSM is happy to dance to their tune.

[Ykcutnek]

3. We need to sing louder!

Everyone sing along!

[Dreamer Tatum]

4. I said the same thing and got hidden. nt

[MineralMan]

7. Exactly the same thing?

Hmm...do you have a link?

[Dreamer Tatum]

9. Why would I inflame people more? nt

[MineralMan]

51. I don't know. But this thread was not hidden.

So I doubt we put it in the same terms, somehow.

[stevenleser]

5. As long as they are trying to hold territory they are vulnerable.

To hold territory they have to have an army in the field. Wherever ISIS forms to fight a battle, they should be attacked.

[metalbot]

43. There is a corollary to this that is also true

To take that territory from them, you need to put your own army in the field. You aren't going to air strike these guys away.

[stevenleser]

61. In this case, there are existing armies in the field. Kurds, Syria, other rebels in Syria, Iraq army

they don't necessarily need US troops if we fully commit to the air war.

[WDIM]

6. of course they are

How can you have unending wars without a despicable bad guy or group of bad guys to fight against?

The never ending spiral of violence and hatred has been well established in the middle east. If ISIL ever is defeated then there will be new bad guys to take their place.

Never ending war is the goal and is what we will have.

[2naSalit]

27. ^^THIS^^^

It's been "the plan" all along. Once it was recognized that there's a profit to be gained from war, that has been the model ever since.

[Fred Sanders]

57. So The End Times are here and lets' just give it all up? So, why are you posting on a blog about it?

[guillaumeb]

64. well said

the seeds of ISIS were first sown when the CIA conspired to overthrow Mohammed Mossadegh in Iran for the unforgivable sin of nationalizing the oil countries. The CIA then installed Shah Reza Pahlavi, a US puppet later overthrown by the Iranian people.

War is the US number one export and very profitable for the 1% who own the war industries. All talk of supposed threats is window dressing to instill the necessary fear in the US population to pave the way for another war against the latest existential threat against humanity.

For every beheading by ISIS there are many more by our ally in that region, Saudi Arabia. While beheading is barbaric, is it more or less barbaric than US drones killing thousands of innocent civilians as this country tries to eliminate the enemies it is creating by its' own empire building actions?

Again, very well said WDIM

[WDIM]

75. exactly^^^

The war machine keeps turning with no signs of stopping. Every group or country we have fought against over the last two decades we also once supported.

Its no secret we supported Saddam, the Taliban, Osama, Al Qaeda, and isil is no exception. We create our own enemies then pay the military industrial complex handsomely to go and destroy the enemies we created.

The neocons have made no secret their aspirations for endless war and we are going on 15 years of it. Even longer of you including bombing iraq everyday through the 90s.

[benz380]

8. Send in the drones!!!

Isn't it great?
Swiftly they die?
Targets destroyed on the ground.
Bombed from the sky.
Send in the drones.

It’s the best way?
Don't you approve?
Villains keep tearing around,
Weapons that move.
But now we use drones.
Send in the drones.

Just when they thought
They might be free,
Finally stopping
Somewhere with a hope of safety,
But here comes a drone
With its usual boom,
None left alive,
Their camp now their tomb.

Don't you hate war?
Their fault, I know.
We thought that they wanted us there;
Now we must go.
But still we use drones.
Thank God for the drones.
Quick, send in the drones.

What a surprise.
Who could foresee
They might acquire the
Technology?
Why only now that I see
Some are heading this way -
What a surprise,
What a bad day.

Isn't it sick?
It’s all so black.
Death raining down everywhere
From their attack.
And where are the drones?
Quick, send off the drones.
Don't bother - they're back.

http://www.amiright.com/parody/70s/stephensondheim3.shtml

[guillaumeb]

65. Wish I had said that

Excellent. Easily on a par with Ricky Mountain Mike

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

10. And to provoke fear

like Boko Haram. They got the Iraqi army to drop their weapons and run away in fright at Mosul despite outnumbering ISIS, knowing what would happen to them if captured. They are waging a campaign of terror against other Moslems to remove any resistance.

[leveymg]

11. ISIS is numerous factions created by the very parties who are now bombing it.

Doesn't surprise me one bit if some of these splinters are acting under leadership that primarily goal is to provoke escalation and widening destruction.

Call them atavistic, nihilists, or simply fanatics. Their impact suits the purposes of those who want to see this war escalated.

[MineralMan]

12. Perhaps. If so, the creation is biting its creator.

Now, the creator, if that's the case, has to do something about what it created.

Barbaric atrocity must be answered, I'm afraid, and I"m sure it will be, in this case. Will we be directly involved? Possibly not. I don't know.

[leveymg]

16. Reminds me of the Night of the Long Knives (1934), but the party doing the "cleansing"

went on to even greater atrocities. This isn't the end of cycle, just another stage in worsening cruelty, persecution and warfare. That serves the purposes of some parties.

[MineralMan]

19. Yes, perhaps. What followed was terrible, and might have been stopped.

It wasn't, though, until millions died. Sometimes, I believe, genuine evil must be countered early, lest it beget more evil.

That's not a popular viewpoint, I know. It's one that I hold, however.

[leveymg]

42. That's what covert operations are for. But, alas, they often blow back

making things far, far worse. Witness, the Brzezinski Doctrine, Afghanistan "freedom fighters", that begot Usama bin Laden and AQ, that begot 9/11, which begot the Iraq War, the failures of which begot "humanitarian interventions" in Libya and Syria, that begot ISIS. And on it goes.

[MineralMan]

46. As I said, we muck up everything we do in the Middle East.

So does everyone else in the "West." Many of the problems there have their origins in decisions made by the "West," starting even before WWI. The problem goes back far earlier than your examples. Perhaps even as far back as the Crusades. We're not good at meddling in places we don't understand.

I'm not a fan of anything that western nations have done in that region. Not at all.

[leveymg]

49. On that, we agree.

[forthemiddle]

76. +1

[Dreamer Tatum]

13. This logic is completely silly. When you burn your hand, do you leave it on the stove

because, after all, you're the one who left the stove on?

When you get a cavity, do you let it abscess, because after all, you're the one who didn't brush?

When your dog runs off, do you just shrug your shoulders, because that's what you get when you leave the door open?

When you make a mistake, you correct it. ISIS was a mistake, and must be corrected.

[leveymg]

17. I'm not sure ISIS is really viewed as a "mistake" in some quarters.

In sociology, borrowing a term from chemistry, it's called an "accelerant" that makes the fire burn hotter and spread faster.

[Yo_Mama]

38. Wrong name - it is correctly known as "The Islamic Institution of Snuff Videos".

They are doing this for money and to use terror as a way to control civilian populations.

Also, these vids are apparently a great recruiting tool - there are enough nutcases in the world that it does bring them in. Let's just say they know their target audience.

[leveymg]

50. "Target audience," indeed.

[Orsino]

14. If all you're selling is shock and awe, you can't back-pedal.

Does reality TV get more reasonable? Do billionaires ever start stealing less? Do our wars ever get more just?

ISIL has nowhere to go but more brutal, or by their only definition of strength, they look weak.

[MineralMan]

15. I'm afraid you're right.

Eventually, it will lead to their own destruction, I'm sure. That point may have been reached. We'll see.

[whatchamacallit]

18. The civilized voice of empire

And for our heartless crimes MM? Oh right... they all had it coming... for being terrorists, or palling around with terrorists, or standing next to a terrorist, or living in the same town as a terrorist, or the same country... The selective, righteous indignation of Americans is so easy to inflame, so easy to play...

Edit: Just to head off the brain dead accusations of "ISIS lover...", my point is that when we allow ourselves to be manipulated into outrage and retribution, by ISIS or our own, the prescribed cure is always worse than the disease.

[MineralMan]

26. You know, that's not always true.

I've always wondered what might have been the result of destroying Hitler early. That step was not taken. I believe the result was worse than if such a thing had been done.

The cure is probably not always worse than the disease. Frankly, though, I hope it is the powers in the ME that undertakes this, not us. I'd be happy with just providing intelligence support and maybe some material support.

And no, I'm not defending US actions at all. My long-held opinion is that we should stay the hell out of the Middle East. I've believed that since the 1960s. We do not understand that region and always seem to make matters worse with our meddling.

[whatchamacallit]

28. So you would oppose US intervention in this case?

[MineralMan]

32. Direct intervention? Yes, I would oppose that.

I will always oppose that. However, I have no problem with intelligence support or specific material support from the US. But, it should be the local powers who carry out any actions.

[whatchamacallit]

39. Good.

Hopefully you'll still be opposed after the president is not.

[MineralMan]

44. I'm not making any assumptions here.

Nor will I. I'm not good at predicting what the President will or won't do. I don't have enough information to do that, in the first place. Nor do I make judgments until after the fact.

Don't make the mistake of thinking you know how I feel about anything. You'll almost always be wrong.

[Yo_Mama]

41. No, it isn't.

When people like this get control of civilians, nothing gets better. They can not be negotiated with. They can only be destroyed. The sooner the better.

[whatchamacallit]

45. And more innocents

will likely die at the hands of the avengers than the oppressors. Iraq is a perfect example of our "help".

[geek tragedy]

54. So you're more outraged by the outrage than at

the actual atrocity itself.

[whatchamacallit]

69. I'm outraged by all atrocities

You, like most entitled Americans, are only outraged by the crimes of others.

[geek tragedy]

71. Funny how you only express outrage at Americans, even when someone else committed

the crime in question.

You seem more upset by Mineralman's and my posts than you are by ISIS burning people alive.

I will take you at your word that you are outraged by ISIS is doing.

[whatchamacallit]

74. You do that

My word is good.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

20. They are trying to draw "the west" into a new crusade.

Which is also what Osama and Al-Queda was/is doing. The sad thing is that they're succeeding.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

29. Which begs the question what does a relatively decent man like Obama do when presented

with an ability to stop, to some extent, the carnage?

And if he does, we are dragged in.

And how do we NOW separate ourselves from this insanity, if we do, after all the years we contributed to creating it?

I dont know, I am against drones, and I am against war, but I dont know.

[MineralMan]

34. We may well have intelligence that could be of use.

In fact, I would be surprised if we did not.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

40. I have a couple liberal friends who argue with me that using drones in situations like this

IS the humane thing to do.

But I cant go there, it always reminds me of a "Star Trek" episode, original series.

Two planets at war have overtime concluded that the computers would decide who was killed in a pretend skirmish and then those people would die.

In other words a war where the people doing the killing didnt have any risk, sort of anyway.

Same thing with drones, when you can kill others and have zero risk on your end, you make killing WAY to easy

[MineralMan]

47. I'm not competent to discuss tactical decisions there.

Not in any way. I'm not a fan of drone attacks, despite what some might think. Nor am I a fan of US troops on the ground. I'm also not a fan of this ISIS group or any other group that uses atrocities to press their case. Right now, ISIS is a serious problem that needs to be dealt with. I'm hopeful that Jordan will put its non-inconsiderable resources to work to do just that. If we can provide intelligence, I think that would be worth doing. Specific material assistance might also be useful. But we should not be directly involved...merely supportive.

[MineralMan]

30. I do not believe we should be involved in the actual

process of eliminating ISIS. I have not said that in any way in this thread. I'm saying that someone needs to. Middle Eastern nations have the capacity to do so. I suggest they do just that.

We should provide nothing but intelligence and any material support that may be required. We should not be directly involved. We screw up everything we touch in the Middle East.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

33. Like i said above, it sure is a hard one. Does a pacifist acknowledge the part USA

played in creating this situation but also insist that we do nothing?

Tough call

[MineralMan]

37. Lots of things are tough calls. I'm glad I'm not in a position to

have to make any of those calls. Truly.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

35. We agree on this MM.

Although, I'm hesitant on the "intelligence and material support" given our knack for faulty intelligence and the material getting into the wrong hands.

[MineralMan]

48. I do not know what intelligence we have, really.

I suspect we have more than is commonly known, though. Looking at the last beheading video background, I believe that we may have some knowledge of where that location is. Today's mapping intelligence is quite capable, and there were identifiable features in that video. Map comparison algorithms are pretty spectacular these days.

What other intelligence there may be, I have no idea. However, I imagine we'll share it, as needed, in this case, one way or another.

I'm not sure what material support might be offered. Again, my knowledge is limited.

[Xithras]

63. It also helps them to recruit more talent.

"Look, we keep pissing off the westerners and they can't do a damned thing to stop us! Look how powerful we are!" The more we are outraged, the weaker it makes us look because we aren't doing anything about it. It creates the illusion that the western world is powerless in front of them.

It's a hell of a marketing pitch to the disenfranchised.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

70. They've managed to stir up a lot of anti-Islamic rhetoric and fear in The West.

It's gone from anti-Terrorist to anti-Islamic Radicals to Islamic Terrorists to Muslims in general.

Ironically, ISIS and Al-queda and it's offshoots do the same. Western interference to Western Imperialism to Zionism to Jews, Christians, Shiites, in general.

They want us to respond in kind to their atrocities to justify their atrocities and aims. To do so is a fool's errand.

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. Friedrich Nietzsche

[Fred Sanders]

72. All aided and abetted by an American media being trolled by ISIS to assist with the terrorism.

[Xithras]

73. Which further disenfranchises Muslims, making even more of them susceptible to their marketing.

Which Muslim is more likely to sympathize with Daesh...the Muslim who owns a business and gets along with all of his neighbors, or the Muslim who can't find a job and is eyed with suspicion everywhere he goes because he's Muslim and everything thinks he might be a terrorist?

By provoking persecution and fear, Daesh is helping to marginalize and isolate Muslims in Europe and elsewhere. That, in turn, promotes Daesh ideology by offering a powerful "Islamic State" as an alternative to their marginalization. People who are angry at their government are far more likely to support groups opposing it.

[pampango]

21. Most despotic regimes have the 'decency' to torture and execute in secret. Not so these guys.

I suppose you have to give them 'credit' for not hiding the true nature of their regime. Ruling by fear, as republicans commonly do (though to a more limited style of fear-mongering) is what conservatives do.

[Waiting For Everyman]

22. They care, and I think it's a good response.

They care, or they wouldn't have tried to get back that suicide bomber woman. The ISIS leadership might not be deterred by such reprisals, but some of the foot soldiers very well might see their participation with ISIS differently.

I support Jordan in its decision to do this. In fact, I said exactly that yesterday in response to a question about what I would suggest doing. It would be better though, not to execute all of the ISIS prisoners at once, but to do it one at a time, in direct correlated response to any future killings by ISIS each time.

Additionally, I would put a big bounty on the head of every cleric who is calling for jihad, and arrest those who are within the West's jurisdiction. They are what "legitimizes" this mentality.

[MineralMan]

24. Jordan will do what it thinks it should do.

I just don't think those particular reprisals will have any effect on ISIS. I do think, though, that there will be serious moves to attack ISIS at its head, due to this. Perhaps Jordan will make those moves. Perhaps others will. But ISIS seems to have exceeded the patience of at least some this time. ISIS exhausted my patience long ago, but I'm without any means to do anything about that.

[ZX86]

23. As disgusting as this situation is...

This is a ME problem that can only be solved by ME players. Any major participation of US forces will render any victory illegitimate and temporary.

[MineralMan]

25. I doubt that we'll be the ones to carry out a direct attack.

I do think, however, that we'll be lending any intelligence support we're able to. Material support, as well, if requested. We'll see.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

36. Agree...direct interference would be good short term, bad long term

[Peregrine Took]

52. International media must agree to a 100% news black out on their activities.

Publicity is what they crave so it must be denied to them.

[MineralMan]

53. You'll never get such an agreement.

If it bleeds, it leads. All such incidents will get covered, sadly.

[WestCoastLib]

55. Have EVERYONE pull out of the ME and do no business with them

There is no "good" solution to this problem.

At this point, I would pull out completely of the Middle East and work with all world leaders to do the same. No embassies, no visitors, no interference. Do no business with them. Do not sell a thing to them. Do not buy their oil.

The people with either fight for freedom or not. And if not, yes many will die and many atrocities will happen. Economically they will crumble, making their day to day lives and situations worse and Israel will have trouble without support. The middle east that emerges from this will be changed and we will need to decide what to do about it then.

If I could flip a switch and end ISIS, without civilian casualties, I would but that's not possible. Right now us, and the world, have one foot in the pool and no manner of half-measures will do anything but hurt the issue. Pull out completely or go in and wipe them out completely but don't do more of the same.

Pulling out would be my choice.

[brooklynite]

58. In other words, the local citizenry are responsible for both ISIS and the Despots...

[WestCoastLib]

67. On some level, yes they are

On some level yes, their ancestor's let it get to this point and they have been unwilling to fight to stop it.

The type of revolution and change needed there can only come from within

[ileus]

59. the entire ME as a "no go" zone.

[zazen]

56. I guess injecting microscopic recording devices in released ISIS prisoners is out of question?

You know, like in his urethra, covered in biological material so as not to be detected on imaging exam and not easily lopped off? Or time-released to spew anthrax among his compatriots when we decide the time is right? Quantum computing and textiles research is really advanced.

I assume our Special Ops are looking at all sorts of infiltration/assassination plots. I'd hope all of that high tech intrusive spying R&D in which we've invested could at least be used to combat actual evil-by-any-definition instead of spying on elderly war, TBTF, and police brutality protesters.

I absolutely agree with you that there are times when the "fierce Buddha" must emerge.

[leveymg]

66. Close. CIA "doubled" al-Qaeda prisoners '03 - '06, sending some back. Google: "Penny Lane Gitmo"

The term for this is "catch and return to the wild." It's not new, and it's not over as a CIA practice.

It's also extremely dangerous because the rest of the US Government treats these "double-agents" as "foreign intelligence assets," and even let them back into the U.S. for training and safe-keeping. Al-Midhar and al-Hazmi, who hijacked Flt. 77 that slammed into the Pentagon, were allowed into the U.S. this way. So was the center of so many actual and attempted AQ attacks, Imam al-Awlaki, who was in US custody in 2002 before being released.

That's how 9/11 happened. They're still doing it. Serial criminal negligence.

[Fred Sanders]

60. Jordanian Royal Air Force Lieutenant Moaz al-Kassasbeh, was piloting an F-16 when his plane

went down in enemy territory and was captured, moderately injured and likely tortured, before being killed as now confirmed, on January 3, not still alive later as ISIS videos implied.

.......................

"Prime Minister David Cameron also condemned the 'sickening murder', but said it would only 'strengthen our resolve'.

He said: 'I pay tribute to the dedication and bravery of Lieutenant Moaz al-Kassasbeh, who paid with his life while protecting his country and us all. My thoughts and prayers are with his family tonight at this tragic time.

'These terrorists' brutal behaviour will only strengthen our resolve... We will not stop until these evil extremists and their poisonous ideology are defeated.'"


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2938199/Burned-alive-cage-ISIS-release-video-claiming-horrifying-murder-captured-Jordanian-pilot.html#ixzz3QiNjDH2N


'I pay tribute to the dedication and bravery of Lieutenant Moaz al-Kassasbeh, who paid with his life while protecting his country and us all. My thoughts and prayers are with his family tonight at this tragic time.'

OPINION:
Also confirmed was that the execution of the Jordanian pilot occurred on January 3, 2015, the death was known to the Jordanian government, but that for unknown reasons this knowledge was kept secret from the public, the grieving, anxious family that assumed he was still alive, even as Western media were playing ISIS's now obviously false propaganda ransom tapes of the long dead pilot over and over again, on the false assumption Lt. al-Kassasbeh was still alive.

The Western media, played like a fiddle by ISIS, and the Jordanan government, may have some explaining to do.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2938199/Burned-alive-cage-ISIS-release-video-claiming-horrifying-murder-captured-Jordanian-pilot.html

[leveymg]

68. More blowback - his F-16 was shot down with a MANPAD we let fall into ISIS hands.

One blowback leads to another that justifies more actions leading to more blowback . . . and so on.

[Hekate]

62. Kick for the bloodthirsty apocalyptics who call out to their own kind for religious war...

Sure enough, the howls for vengeance arise from all quarters of the planet -- many think only of responding in kind, which is exactly what these psychopaths want. They want our soldiers there.

Fortunately for us, President Obama has a cool cast of character and I have a feeling (born of observation) that he and his people are hard at work planning, as you pointed out.

Unfortunately for us, we've got John McCain et al howling for boots on the ground, thumping their chests and implying that Obama is a pantywaist coward. We have still others waving their Bibles and howling that this is very much a religious war, and that Obama is too unChristian and unAmerican to see it and say what it is.

[Warpy]

77. They're trying to get ransoms paid by butchering their captives when it isn't.

This has the good effect of making a lot of people realize they're a bunch of well funded criminals, not a religious or political movement.

Dropping their oil revenue hurt them badly.

[Agnosticsherbet]

78. I think they want a war where the world turns against them.

because they believe they can convince all Suni's that they are the true defender of Islam. (Shia Muslims will be put to death for apostasy).

True believers that they are, they think that they can conquer the world.

Sadly, a lot of good men and women will die to prove them wrong.

[MineralMan]

79. I suspect that what they want is power. That is the usual

quest. Once in power, they can eliminate those who oppose them, as tyrants frequently do.

Religious zealotry is just an excuse, I'm certain, just as it was during the Crusades. An excuse for seeking power.

[Agnosticsherbet]

82. Crusades are, indeed, about power.

I think that they actually believe in their own line of reasoning.

After gaining control of a sizable state, they could have guarded their borders and went about consolidating power. What they did is just the opposite. they have attacked in Egypt, encouraged the attack in Australia, and Europe. They also threatened New York.

It sounds a bit like Megalomania, as I understand it.

[Igel]

80. They mostly play to themselves.

Note that they're internally consistent. There are allies, foes, and neutrals, with very strong boundaries between them.

They left Japanese alone until the Japanese got involved. Japanese were neutral until they were foes.

Same for Americans. They left US citizens pretty much alone until the US decided to attack and support the enemies.

One thing to keep in mind, though, is the idea of communal responsibility and identity. You are not just an individual. You are your collective. If your collective needs to be punished or fought, any representative is fair game. In this they're also consistent.

The difficulty is figuring out what, exactly, their consistency consists of because it's very much not how I think. Mostly just listening to what they say is a decent guide.

That said, Jordan's response was culturally appropriate, if cruel, with the problem being that Jordan now has to follow through. IS called and raised and now Jordan needs to call their bluff or fold.

[Initech]

83. While we're paying attention to Isis, Boko Haram is slowly conquering Africa.

Yes Isis is a threat, and one to be taken very seriously. However, there's an even scarier threat emerging in Africa. While Isis is beheading one person at a time, Boko Haram is taking over entire countries in Africa, killing thousands and building an unstoppable army out of what's left. Boko Haram is making Isis look like the Isis from Archer by comparison.

[kentuck]

84. I think that is true...

...and that is why the people of the Middle East need to deal with them. We should not be up front in this battle. If they are going to burn Jordanians alive, then the Jordanians must have a dog in the fight. They are a desperate bunch of criminals.

[tularetom]

85. Yes they are, and the US media are taking the bait

After all there is a ton of money to be made off of endless mideast wars (or any other wars for that matter). The US war industry can do very well if we get involved in a conflict with ISIS and we won't "win", it will go on for a very long time. So it really is no trick to direct their media flunkies to get the yahoo population all riled up about ISIS, they'll put pressure on congress and the president, and viola, the money will start rolling in.

You'd almost think ISIS is on the payroll of the military industrial complex.