Crime To Be Gay: ISIS Militants Throw Blindfolded Man Off Tower Block, Then Stone Him To Death

[Ykcutnek]

The ISIS militants blindfolded an elderly man and threw him off a tower block. When he miraculously survived the fall, he was stoned to death. His alleged crime was that he was gay.

While this is certainly no isolated incident depicting the barbaric nature of the terrorist outfit, gruesome images have emerged appearing to show ISIS militants hurling the man off the seven-storey building in the town of Tal Abyad in Raqqa. The man, who was supposedly being punished for having a homosexual affair, apparently survived the fall. But he was stoned to death by a waiting crowd at the foot of the tower block.

London-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which relies on intricate and covert network of activists who secretly film and report such incidents has procured the photos. As evident from the photos, the man, believed to be in his 50s, was blindfolded and strapped to a plastic chair. He is seen surrounded by at least two masked militants, who are dressed in black clothing and army fatigues.

Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/1810270/crime-to-be-gay-isis-militants-throw-blindfolded-man-off-tower-block-then-stone-him-to-death-nsfw/#Cp15XRhRfAQbYVyI.99

[stevenleser]

1. But we can't do anything about them because that's what they want us to do.

[Ykcutnek]

3. Yep. Turn the other cheek and dig into American history for a false equivalence. nt

[brooklynite]

23. So, you're thinking we should lock the Christians up as well?

Some pretty nasty gay legislation, all Biblically sound, coming out of Christian Nations in Africa, and supported by some fundamentalists here. Can we really take a chance?

BTW - thanks for visiting. I have a feeling you won't be around long.

[TheKentuckian]

52. When are we going to "do something" about Saudi Arabia?

They jail, use chemical castration, flogging, torture, and even the death penalty for homosexuality.

I bet your mortal indignation gets swallowed up pretty quick and we won't hear a peep out of you trying to whip up a war and you'll be hollering "whataboutisim".
Well, partner "whataboutisim" is just an expectation of some moral consistency and I can see why that rubs some the wrong way as that is something they are unwilling to even consider being.

[stevenleser]

53. Translated: "if we can't right every wrong everywhere, were hypocrites" which is asinine

Surely you can do better than that tired canard.

[TheKentuckian]

57. Translation: I have a flailing, wholly inconsistent, only when convenient ethics and policy

positions.
My principles are random to the point of non existence.

No, you presented a rationale and a standard for "doing something" (aka Murican for war) that you for some reason don't really want to apply generally.

The Leser Doctrine is spin the wheel while feigning high minded principles. I said nothing about always or everywhere but yes it is curious that righting the wrong is only applicable with this group but not another at the exact same time in the same region.

You're just pissy that you got caught in a wildly inconsistent rationale to waste more blood and treasure that you'd never forward otherwise but thought it would slide while heartstrings got pulled.

[stevenleser]

58. Nope. Your posit doesn't work at all. I am 100% consistent. nt

[TheKentuckian]

59. Oh yeah, cite your war whipping for attacking Saudi Arabia. If it exists at all, it is at a far

lower volume.

[stevenleser]

60. The reason why your entire line of reasoning is wrong is because it is a false dilemma, a fallacy

You commit the logical fallacy of "False Dilemma" proposing that the only existing and therefore logical positions to have are if someone does something we don't like we go to war and if not, we don't go to war.

As I noted in my piece earlier this week on my show, there are in fact countries and groups who if we leave alone, they will leave us alone. But ISIS is not one of those groups and ISIS proved that with the execution of the Japanese Prisoners.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026182980

My position and the position of people who agree with me isn't that Saudi Arabia or Qatar or even Germany and England don't do things we dislike on occasion. We believe that it is wrong to treat every issue as if our only tool is a hammer.

For you to assert otherwise and that for us not to use the hammer in all occasions is juvenile.

[TheKentuckian]

61. Your expressed rationale was execution of homosexuals, that because of this

"we have to do something" (again aka Murican for war).

I said absolutely nothing about "all occasions", there are "occasions" where I'm understanding of the "hammer" (though probably fewer "occasions" than others) however I'm not prepared to say it is executions for homosexuals in the middle east and clearly neither are you.

That was a throwaway line to use emotion to incite reaction on your part and clearly not an actual rationale which seems to me shows a willingness to use gay people as an emotional whip. Just reach for anything and use it as a weapon to move your agenda when you know it really isn't about that.

I think we have seen plenty of the hammer in this region and it is not been proven effective and I think has made less than ideal bad, bad horrible, and horrible into nightmare.
I really don't give a shit about outrage or horrible acts, I've not heard a coherent reason why it is unlikely that we won't further exacerbate the instability as we have done with about every act for decades nor specifically why action on part of the United States is required and regional and certainly world powers are incapable of handling some fundy marauders.

[ChosenUnWisely]

2. I have no doubt that Conservatives and Christian Fundys in America would do the same thing here if

they could get away with it.

[stevenleser]

4. Absolutely, just look at Matthew Shepard or any of the martyrs listed at the top of the LGBT group

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113730107

[arcane1]

30. Exactly. Or Haynes and Mary Turner a few decades earlier

It began on May 16 when a white landowner in rural Valdosta, Georgia, was shot to death at his home. His wife accused a black man named Sidney Johnson, and a lynch mob soon formed with the purpose of carrying out summary justice for the farmer's murder. However, when it was unable to locate Johnson, the mob turned its wrath on five black men who'd had the misfortune of being in the vicinity at the time and lynched them instead. Among the five was Haynes Turner, a former employee of the murdered farmer.

Turner's wife, Mary, was eight months pregnant, and when she heard of the murder, she vowed publicly to find the men responsible, swear out warrants against them, and ensure they were punished in the courts. Not surprisingly, her vow to seek justice doomed her; as an Associated Press report of the affair put it, Mary Turner had made "unwise remarks" about the execution of her husband, "and the people, in their indignant mood, took exceptions to her remarks, as well as her attitude." The local sheriff placed her under arrest, reportedly for her protection, but then surrendered her to a mob of several hundred white men and women -- as well as a number of children -- determined to "teach her a lesson."

At a place outside town called Folsom's Bridge, they stripped her, tied her ankles together, and hung her upside down from a tree. Dousing her with gasoline, they slowly roasted her to death. While she was still alive, a man using a knife ordinarily reserved for splitting hogs walked up and cut open the woman's abdomen. "Out tumbled the prematurely born child," wrote a news reporter covering the event. "Two feeble cries it gave -- and received for the answer the heel of a stalwart man, as life was ground out of the tiny form." Hundreds of bullets were then fired into Mary Turner's body. Sated, the mob left her body by the roadside. She and her child were buried in a shallow grave near the bridge.

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2006/12/eliminationism-in-america-vi.html

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

6. "if they could get away with it".....

Yeah, that's kinda the key here, isn't it?

[Dreamer Tatum]

7. So they don't break the law because it's against the law.

All I can say is, thank god for those laws! Whew! That was a close one!

[ChosenUnWisely]

11. No they are too scared of going to jail for killing gays

so in a weird way the law sort of works. Sure plenty will ignore it and take their chances with the law and if they are caught they become martyr's for their cause.

[Dreamer Tatum]

54. No, not in a "weird" way.

They don't do it because it's against the law. Despite your fantasies to the contrary, things work exactly as they should in this regard.

[ChosenUnWisely]

56. If the cops stop enforcing the law they get away with it. Just like in the south during the 60's,

the laws were on the books but the cops turned a blind eye and allowed white mobs to attack peaceful African Americans protesting, or trying to vote, or shop, basically live without constant harassment from the racists. Bull Connor is one of the more famous cops who ignored the laws and allowed whites to attack blacks.

Hate is what the religious right peddle millions in this country support them including politicians and they have no problem with what they sell.

Until the so called good Christians rein in the so called bad Christians, in my book ALL Christians are the problem. It might be a broad brush but ALL Christians have earned it.

Silence and inaction in consent.

[leftynyc]

8. Really?

Which American Christian has announced support for the death penalty for being gay? We'll forget for the moment, IT'S AGAINST THE FUCKING LAW HERE.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

10. Really?

http://bit.ly/16h68uV

[leftynyc]

13. So, to sum up,

poster made ridiculous charge, can't back it up and now has another poster fighting their battles. That cover it?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

17. You asked a question. Guess you don't like the answer.

Why is that? That's a strange reaction.

You don't like being wrong? So now you will deny some American Christians routinely call for gays to be put to death?

Is there some other reason for your denial? It just seems bizarre to me.

[leftynyc]

24. You didn't give me an answer

You sent me to google. The rest of your post is nothing but drivel accusing me of things I never said.

[ChosenUnWisely]

14. Plenty of em

Government Should Kill Gays - Pastor Curtis Knapp

70 Year-Old Stoned To Death Because The Bible Says To Stone Gays
http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/70-year-old-stoned-to-death-because-the-bible-says-to-stone-gays/news/2011/03/18/18138

Two more pastors, two different states, advocate for the killing of gays
http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2012/05/two-more-pastors-two-different-states-advocate-for-the-killing-of-gays/

Have fun reading there are plenty more, just do a search of the internets.

[leftynyc]

16. Let's see

The first story is about a mentally unbalanced man and the other is about 2 pastors. In a country of over 300 million. Well, you did find American Christians that are insane and feel it's appropriate to compare them to countries where these laws are on the books. Do you feel better now about being able to ignore what happens to our gay friends in these countries because we have....what? a couple of dozen of nobody preachers with no power whatsoever? I'll just put you down for not giving a shit about the gays because we have insane Americans who talk big on you tube.

[ChosenUnWisely]

18. Sorry They are Leaders of their faith calling for the murder of gays

deny it all you want but Christians in America want LGBT people DEAD and that is a fact.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

20. I suppose that poster never heard of Leviticus.

Or never heard an American Christian quoting only that one part about men who lie with men being put to death.

Or they never heard of the "nobody" Jimmy Swaggart.

Straight privilege. I guess.

[leftynyc]

29. LOL - Jimmy Swaggert?

I love how you and your pals are mentioning people I haven't heard from in at least a decade and trying to compare that to places where laws are on the books and gays getting murdered happens every day. If you think that's comparable to a couple of dozen assholes (in a country with over 300 million where the majority is now in favor of gay marriage), knock yourself out. It tells me what you really think about the gay issue. You can't even call out the worst practices of gay hate because you're too busy protecting Islam.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

38. Oh I don't doubt you haven't heard of these people "in at least a decade"

That's some real live straight privilege right there.

Let's back up again and see what the person said at the top of this thread:

"I have no doubt that Conservatives and Christian Fundys in America would do the same here if they could get away with it."

I bolded the part you apparently missed before you got your fee fees hurt and started constructing your own straw man army arguing a point (that ALL Christians feel that way) no one was making.

"Conservatives and Christian fundys "

"Conservatives and Christian fundys "

"Conservatives and Christian fundys "

What I think about the "gay issue" . I live it every day, pal. I worry about it when my partner comes home and tells me some high school kids pulled up next to him at a light calling him "faggot". Mostly because, unlike me, he wouldn't run down some basher that tried to stop his car.

I worry about it everytime I stop at my favorite martini bar and have to check my bag and laptop- that's a result of some non existent Christian rightwinger nut who had a hobby of blowing up gay bars and abortion clinics.

[leftynyc]

43. Let's start with

the OP - which wasn't about Christians, conservatives or the US. Every single time a story is posted about a problem in the Muslim world we have piles of posters trying to deflect and distract from the story but claiming our Christian and conservative fundys (I didn't skip a word from the OP contrary to what you think) would do the exact same thing. There is absolutely no evidence of that whatsoever. I'm from a minority also and see people trying to downplay when a swastica is painted on a Jewish building and then try and again they trot out how it's worse for Muslims. Try and take a look at every single thread like this (a perfect example). Every single time posters here are so much more concerned about the feelings of Muslims they downplay whatever the story is about. It would be as maddening if a Muslim hate crime was posted and then the gays and the Jews and African Americans jump in and try and deflect from what the OP is about by claiming their discrimination is so much worse. That's what has happened here and I will jump in every time I see it and call it the bullshit it is.

[Generic Other]

62. Damn, I got some Mathhew 7:5 in my eye!

Or maybe it was a splinter from one of Westboro Baptist's signs.

[leftynyc]

25. Leaders of their faith?

For leaders, they're remarkably unheard of. You do realize that anyone with the internet can become a registered preacher, don't you? Are you now claiming that ALL Christians want to put gays to death because you put no qualifiers in front of Christians?

[onenote]

33. OMG, my gay Christian college roommate wants himself dead!

Who knew?

[dsc]

27. Scott Lively

[MrScorpio]

32. Not if they didn't care about the law...

It's already not against the law to discriminate against LGTBs in many states: Employment, housing, marriage and so on. In that sense, they're already second class citizens.

I would say that these areas of the country would be the first places to look, the more homophobic regions, where a legal protection for killing gay people may be established. It would come by way of an apathetic response.

When it comes to the frequent killing of trans people, the apathy towards those murders has already established a defacto protection for many of the killers.

Would it really be against the law if the law refuses to care?

[leftynyc]

34. Not sure what point you're trying to make

MY point was that while we may have some Christian fanatics that hate the gays, they have ZERO power as our laws prevent the death penalty for being gay. Unlike these Muslim countries where being gay is against the law- Afghanistan, Mauritania, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Yemen. In light of those facts, it's INSANE for people here to try and pretend that our Christians ARE EXACTLY THE SAME as those who, BY LAW, are allowed to execute gays. It's a stupid comparison and shows complete disregard for our gay friends in those countries because so many on DU are loathe to condemn anything having to do with Islam without trying to trot out the magical balance fairy.

[MrScorpio]

37. I was making a point about America here, obviously...

In that I wouldn't presume that the law in this country will always protect LGBTs from extra-judicial killing… At least as a precursor to any atrocities that may follow. The history of this country bears me out on this, from what has happened to other disaffected groups. Whatever protections that have came over the years has only happened through vigorous activism. It's activism that must be sustained, because without it, the situation will sure regress because of the influence gained by unopposed fanatical Christian engagement.

As I've mentioned in regard to the plight of trans people, especially trans people of color, there's already a target on THEIR backs… And very little attention has been paid to their plight outside of their community and there is not always a reasonable expectation that the law will do what it can to prosecute the killers.

That's a current condition in this country.

No, I'm not one to say that conditions for LGBTs in America are the same as those in the places where they're being killed by Islamic fundamentalists. I'm merely saying that if and when this country ever gets to the point of tolerating the murder of LGBT people, we're going to find an American/Christian way to do that.

[leftynyc]

42. Sincere question

Do you really think this country - DOMA overturned, 36 (I think) states that now allow gay marriage - will get the point where it will be ALLOWED for LGBT people to be murdered? Sorry, I think it will always be against the law, it will always lead to a trial and the murderer, if convicted, will be punished. That's a far cry from what is happening to LBGT in the Muslim world and I will speak out every single time I see someone try and say we're exactly the same. Every single time someone posts a story that makes Muslims look bad, in any way whatsoever, far too many posters trot out the "our Christians are exactly the same" bullshit. I'm tired of it. It's lazy thinking, a lazy argument and most important of all, complete and total crap.

[Fumesucker]

44. Yeah, we know Muslims are evil and Christians are good

Back in 96 I missed being at the Centennial Park bombing by less than 24 hours, my family and I were there the night before so violent Christian fanatics are near and dear to my heart, I've come a lot closer to being killed by one of them than by a violent Muslim fanatic.

[leftynyc]

45. Well, I'm a NYer

who worked not far from the towers so I've come a lot closer to being killed by Muslim fanatics. BTW, I'm not either Muslim or Christian and MY people have been victims of both. I'd still rather be a woman or gay in the US than in any Muslim country.

[Fumesucker]

47. Eh, I"ve been called an Islamophobe here because I don't care for Islam's tendency toward theocracy

No desire at all to be part of the Umma..

Bear in mind that before WWII Germany was one of the most advanced nations on the planet and they went crazy in a very big way. Unfortunately there's no foolproof way of telling which society is going to go off the rails and when or how, any thought that "It can't happen here" is naive IMO.

[leftynyc]

48. You're right about Germany

and I shudder to think how many died because they simply couldn't believe what was right in front of their eyes. The only reason I think it's less likely to occur in a first world country is technology, the media including the internet. It's very hard to keep secrets like the gathering up of whole populations. While I see on some internet boards there are those who shriek about throwing all Muslims out of the country and nonsense like that, there is nobody in power - right or left - that gives them a voice. Hitler wasn't some nobody schmuck with a youtube channel - he was the Chancellor of Germany.

[leftynyc]

51. Well, I worked very close

to the towers on 9/11 (and when one was hit in 2/92) so I've come a lot closer to getting killed by Muslim fanatics. BTW - nobody said Muslims are all evil and Christians are all good so you just pulled that out of your ass.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

50. "It will always lead to a trial and the murderer, if convicted, will be punished."

Up until recently in just about everywhere in this country, and currently in some parts of this country, you could murder a gay person and claim he "made advances on you" and you "panicked" so you had no choice but to cave his skull in. And that was an allowable defense. And a jury would buy it.

While I'm more optimistic than I was 10 years ago, don't forget that Sarah Palin or Ted Cruise could run for President tomorrow and automatically receive in the high 40s percentage of the popular vote. And don't forget what our Christins are doing meddling in countries like Uganda. It's not like this is any fucking secret.


Sorry if people are going to see gay people murdered in other parts of the world and relate it to our experiences here. It's human nature.

And not one single fucking person in this thread said (with quotes mind you) "our Christians are exactly the same" - that right there is a steaming pile of quoted bullshit Because it just wasn't said.

Rightwingers and conservative Christian fundys does not equal all Christians. How many times does that need to be said before you will stop alleging the person at the top of this subthread said as much?

[MrScorpio]

64. As I've mentioned before, if there's a regressing on legal protections of LGBTs...

It's going to be done in an American way. I don't think that there will a comparative repression of LGBT people, as these is in countries like Saudi Arabia and Russia today.

I agree with you that equating Christians with Muslims is a false analogy. But I would not let the misogynistic, racist and homophobic right wing off the hook. Civil rights in this country will ALWAYS be a work in progress. Despite whatever gains have been made recently, it serves no one to rest on our laurels.

You need vigilance at all times.

[smirkymonkey]

65. Thank YOU!

Sheesh!

[smirkymonkey]

36. +1000

[Bluenorthwest]

12. I'm sick of you folks who refuse to speak of heinous acts that happen because you want to talk about

something else. It's despicable.

[leftynyc]

15. One day they'll realize

they sound like imbeciles. Not today, though.

[stevenleser]

31. I missed that one on first glance. I happen to agree with the responders sentiment but you are right

shouldn't distract us from what ISIS did.

[Behind the Aegis]

35. It's "whataboutery" at its finest.

It also, IMO, is a way to minimize what we experience and what concerns us as gay people. It is homophobic heterosexism.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

5. But 'Murrrrica......!!!!

[Nye Bevan]

9. But Crusades and Salem Witch Trials!

All religions are equally bad! Especially the Episcopalians in my neighborhood who sometimes double-park near their church on a Sunday!

[Hassin Bin Sober]

41. Not much worse than a church double Parker!!!!!!!!

Lol.

Or when I come home and find one in my parking spot. Having them towed is fun though. Blocking them in with my truck and making them wait a couple hours works too! I told the last guy "I'll be down in an hour when I finish this important conference call"

[hifiguy]

28. An excellent post.

And welcome to DU.

[mnhtnbb]

22. The first photo in the article is not the same man: he is dressed in blue jeans and dark jacket.

The subsequent photos all show a man in a light brown jacket and white pants.

So, more than one man thrown from the tower? Or have photos been doctored?

[bluestateguy]

26. Islam is probably the worst religion in the world to gay people

I know it's only acceptable to bash on evangelical Christians, but believe it or not there are other people who are just as bad, or even worse.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

39. I don't think anyone is saying any different.

That whole sub-thread started about a poster's opinion of wacky "conservative fundys"

The knee jerk response of some here is enlightening, to say the least.

So Sue me if I, and maybe some straight allies, say :

"but for the grace of dog, and the U.S. Constitution's tenuous grip on secularism, go I and people I love"

Hardly a day goes buy when we don't hear of some Leviticus quoting d-bag saying gays should be put to death.

[AZ Progressive]

40. Nothing more destructive in this world than Dogma

Whether it is religion or capitalism or some really extreme conspiracy theories.

[Behind the Aegis]

46. Our lives are cheap to way too many.

It is one reason we see distractions in OPs like this. "NO...NO...look over there!" It is "whataboutery." Anti-gay laws in Russia? "But...but..BUT...what about....?!" Some can't help to show their big "buts" when it comes to gay people and their plight. It is a virtual moon more than a few of us have come to expect.

Perhaps it is all part of our nefarious "gay agenda." Who knows, I'll wait for a 'good soul' to come about and tell me how my fears and concerns are foolish or how this is nothing more than a dizzy queen spewing "heterophobia" (and yes, "heterophobia" has been uttered by a few people).

I am just thankful there are some real allies here who will fight the good fight!

[Donald Ian Rankin]

55. Buts are fine, provided they come first.

It's fine to relate issues to other issues.

Its fine to add context.

But when you're talking about an atrocity like this, it's *not* acceptable to say "obviously this is evil, but X" - if you want to add context, it *must* be "X, but obviously this is evil", with the condemnation and not the qualification as the bottom line.

[Waiting For Everyman]

63. Excusing this is way past bullshit.