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GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 10:43 PM Feb 2015

The view from north of the border

The behaviour coming out of the United States these days on every level - political, legal and social - is beginning to exhibit a degree of crazed unhingedness that I couldn't have imagined even a few short years ago. Unfortunately everything I'm seeing fits a pattern - none of it is encouraging but none of it is really a surprise. The following metaphor describes my rather dystopian perceptions.

Imagine a motor that is designed to consume fuel and accelerate spontaneously. So long as there is a limit on the fuel supply or a governor mechanism that limits the top speed, the motor will stop accelerating at some point, run at a constant speed, and remain intact.

The US right now, and to a lesser extent the whole world, is similar to an engine that has an excess fuel supply (i.e. money and energy), and from which some clever but short-sighted engineers (i.e. bankers and politicians) have managed to remove the regulator. Now as it continuously accelerates, spinning ever faster, the stresses on some parts of the system (you, me and large chunks of the social fabric) are becoming too great and they are beginning to break down. Some of us have figured out that the only ways to prevent the whole engine from blowing up is by reducing the fuel supply by cutting consumption, or by replacing the regulator through, um, regulations.

Part of what I'm seeing in the US is the kind of crazy that happens in overstressed rat populations, dysfunctions similar to Hans Selye's General Adaptation Syndrome. The rodents become progressively more separated from reality because they can't deal with the stresses they're experiencing, and their coping systems overload. Their behaviour becomes increasingly aggressive and erratic. So we get things like religious fundamentalism, politicians like Inhofe, Bachmann, Palin, (frankly most of the Republican party and an awful lot of Democrats), talk radio personalities etc. They are all symptoms of a seriously overstressed society.

The other thing I see happening is something like an autoimmune reaction, where the body's self-protective systems begin to attack the body itself. This is mechanism behind the over-the-top police behaviour, the illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the CIA's domestic surveillance activities, the overreaction to illegal immigration, violent anti-Muslim sentiments, the glorification of snipers etc.

The immune system especially attacks people who are trying to cut the motor's fuel supply or reinstall its governor. It views such activities as attacks on the system by pathogens, and works to suppress or eliminate them. Essentially environmental and social-justice activism are reframed as a disease - the disease of terrorism.

This multidimensional breakdown is symptomatic of an accelerating, overstressed system that is nearing its limits of cohesion, with no way of relieving the pressure and no way of slowing itself down. I can't see any way of intervening effectively before some large important piece of the engine - perhaps the banking system - breaks down completely. But at that point the engine itself may not be salvageable.

Canada's on a similar path, but we're 5 or 10 years behind the States (as always). We also don't have the peculiar political and constitutional organization that is making it so easy for the States to self-immolate. Not to mention that america has the critical mass of 300 million people and the world's most energetic economy.

So it goes.

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The view from north of the border (Original Post) GliderGuider Feb 2015 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2015 #1
Thanks for the reference to chervilant Feb 2015 #2
It's the apparent irreversibility of our course that concerns me most. GliderGuider Feb 2015 #7
Subterfuge. Look no further than THE FAMILY/THE FELLOWSHIP. Their goal is to "reconstruct" the US blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #3
+1 countmyvote4real Feb 2015 #4
I see The Family more as an effect than as a cause. GliderGuider Feb 2015 #8
Precisely spot on... 2naSalit Feb 2015 #5
Now get back to work! Harder faster longer! lonestarnot Feb 2015 #6
Yup and those that are not prepared are going to be victims when the doodie hits the fan. ChosenUnWisely Feb 2015 #9
DU is getting old enough where we can start pulling doomsday threads from 2002, 2003 LOL snooper2 Feb 2015 #10
I joined in 2004 and I've held this view since the beginning. nt GliderGuider Feb 2015 #11
So, you disagree with GliderGuider? Make your case instead of snark. I've been ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2015 #12
I accept the diagnosis - please prescibe the survival tactics? jwirr Feb 2015 #13
Survival tactics? At what level? Over what time frame? GliderGuider Feb 2015 #14
That in itself is a good answer. Really makes one afraid of the future. I am old enough that I will jwirr Feb 2015 #15
I'm in my mid-sixties. GliderGuider Feb 2015 #16
Sure are. jwirr Feb 2015 #19
Most excellent. K&R n/t OneGrassRoot Feb 2015 #17
I find the view from North of the border is not welcome by a portion of the DU population... SidDithers Feb 2015 #18
I'm pleasantly surprised with the reception of this particular POV. nt GliderGuider Feb 2015 #20
Great post, as usual, GliderGuider. Pooka Fey Feb 2015 #21
Thank you! GliderGuider Feb 2015 #22
Yes, excellent post! tosh Feb 2015 #23
Two years later...you are right on point VigilantG Apr 2017 #24
Thank you! The way you immediately got the smart grid vulnerability was impressive! GliderGuider Apr 2017 #25
One thing I missed in this two year old analysis was the Russian attack during the election GliderGuider Apr 2017 #26
When the OP essay was written Canada was in Conservative Harper's grip. Changed since then. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #27
I meant "5-10 years behind the US in their slide into the abyss" GliderGuider Apr 2017 #28
Understood. Another perspective is maybe Canada 5 years ahead on climb out of abyss. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2017 #29
It would be pleasant to think so. GliderGuider Apr 2017 #30

Response to GliderGuider (Original post)

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
2. Thanks for the reference to
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 11:07 PM
Feb 2015

Hans Selye's General Adaptation Syndrome. Many times on DU, I've referenced Calhoun's work on overpopulation. He used rats in his research. I think we're witnessing just what he predicted. It's grim, and likely irreversible.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
7. It's the apparent irreversibility of our course that concerns me most.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 08:06 AM
Feb 2015

The failure of COP15 in Copenhagen in 2009 finally tipped me off to this aspect of the situation. Before that I was convinced that we could change course if enough people understood what was really happening. I no longer believe that.

Now, for me, the fight against the inevitable is over and "self-protection with dignity" is the name of the game. It's why I've become a philosophical Taoist.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
3. Subterfuge. Look no further than THE FAMILY/THE FELLOWSHIP. Their goal is to "reconstruct" the US
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 12:51 AM
Feb 2015

so Jesus can come back. Unfortunately, most people will have to DIE first. And, yes, this is the same "Church" that has those Prayer Breakfasts in DC every February (since 1952) ~






 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
8. I see The Family more as an effect than as a cause.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:14 AM
Feb 2015

They are an intrinsic element of the overall socioeconomic positive feedback loop that is driving the system past the point where it can maintain its integrity.

2naSalit

(86,579 posts)
5. Precisely spot on...
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 01:29 AM
Feb 2015

Thank you for so eloquently and succinctly describing the very perception of our world that I have.

 

ChosenUnWisely

(588 posts)
9. Yup and those that are not prepared are going to be victims when the doodie hits the fan.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:19 AM
Feb 2015

There will be lots of victim’s.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
10. DU is getting old enough where we can start pulling doomsday threads from 2002, 2003 LOL
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:24 AM
Feb 2015

in 10-15 years we will all be living in sewers!

The system is breaking down!

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
12. So, you disagree with GliderGuider? Make your case instead of snark. I've been
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 12:31 PM
Feb 2015

following Glider's analysis both here and elsewhere, including his work in his real name on his own website and elsewhere, for more than a decade, and so far he has been hitting the mark.

The only question that is left to me to be answered is: When does the engine fly apart? There is no question, however, that it will fly apart at some point. The prediction is based on sound observations and actual real-world events.

So, please proceed with your rebuttal...

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
14. Survival tactics? At what level? Over what time frame?
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 01:15 PM
Feb 2015

I'm not in the habit of prescribing - that could get me charged with practicing sociology without a license...

I don't think there are viable survival tactics for most people. What I usually advise people is to do whatever they feel is right for themselves, their family and their immediate community, and let the chips fall where they may.

Destiny will take care of itself, as it always has.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
15. That in itself is a good answer. Really makes one afraid of the future. I am old enough that I will
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 01:24 PM
Feb 2015

probably not live to see it but I love my family. They will be here.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
16. I'm in my mid-sixties.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 01:32 PM
Feb 2015

A few years ago I would have said, "I expect to see 'it' happen in my lifetime."
Now I can see that it's already happening.

Exciting times, yes?

VigilantG

(374 posts)
24. Two years later...you are right on point
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 03:51 PM
Apr 2017

I just joined DU this month and read your post. Great analysis. Depressing and unnerving, but feels accurate.

And had you imagined who our POTUS would be now? Ffs!

I like your perspective, eh!

Thank you!

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
25. Thank you! The way you immediately got the smart grid vulnerability was impressive!
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 04:10 PM
Apr 2017

It's always nice to see a new set of open eyes come onto the board.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
26. One thing I missed in this two year old analysis was the Russian attack during the election
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 04:25 PM
Apr 2017

Because I/we didn't know it was happening yet. The Russians simply took advantage of the pre-existing crazy I described above, by poking a stick into the political anthill.

We can look back from here and identify a number of events that contributed to the situation: The Powell Memo, the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine, 9/11, Citizens United et. All of them combined to produce the social/political/media toxicity that exists today. Unfortunately, none of that damage can be undone until we first wrest power away from the corporate interests that are now in control of american society. Once that is done - if it is even possible at this point - it will take a generation and a half to undo the brainwashing that has been inflicted on half the population.

Quite a grim outlook.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
27. When the OP essay was written Canada was in Conservative Harper's grip. Changed since then.
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 04:43 PM
Apr 2017

Canada threw out Harper in dramatic fashion, by electing a majority Liberal government under Justin Trudeau's leadership.

Thus the "5 or 10 years behind the States" may need revision. It could be that Canada is actually ahead, once the Republicon theft of the election is completely exposed and fully revealed and aired out.

Further, Canada often leads the US, for example with same-sex marriages, right to dying, cannabis legalization, truth and reconciliation, refugee settlement, ....
 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
28. I meant "5-10 years behind the US in their slide into the abyss"
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 04:46 PM
Apr 2017

Trudeau's election may have moved us back 15 years behind the States, which is a good thing. The further back we are on this road to perdition, the better!

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
30. It would be pleasant to think so.
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 05:00 PM
Apr 2017

But this abyss has a lot of slopes. Ecological breakdown,d climate change, global economic and financial problems, social divisions and antagonism, international antagonism, political disruption - all these problems are exacerbated by society's growing size, complexity and technological competence. Canada may be ahead on one or two sociopolitical dimensions, but is by no means invulnerable to the global problems that resonate in all developed countries.

We're all headed for the abyss, roped together by the chains of civilization. Some will fall in first, others later, but we will all go over the edge eventually.

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