Goldman Sachs CEO Key Investor in Hillary's Son-In-Law's Hedge Fund

[benz380]

The Wall Street Journal has a revealing report on the hedge fund Eaglevale Partners LP, which is run by Hillary Clinton's son-in-law, Marc Mezvinsky. The fund, it turns out, bet big on a turnaround in the Greece economy -- and lost.

"Eaglevale Partners LP, founded by Marc Mezvinsky and two former colleagues from Goldman Sachs Group Inc., told investors in a letter sent last week they had been 'incorrect' on Greece, helping produce losses for the firm’s main fund during two of the past three years, according to the letter. Mr. Mezvinsky married Chelsea Clinton, the former first daughter, in 2010," reports the Journal.

"The main fund dropped 3.6% last year, far trailing the 5.7% rise for similar hedge funds tracked by HFR Inc. …

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/goldman-sachs-ceo-key-investor-hillarys-son-laws-hedgefund_838821.html

[Octafish]

1. It's all legal like.

And people wonder why Banksters, let alone Warmongers and Traitors, never go to jail.

[benz380]

2. One hand washes the other. n/t

[MineralMan]

22. Well, you've gotten the cliches down pat, it seems.

I see you're also using the "in bed together" one. Good job. Try the "birds of a feather" one next and you'll have a trifecta.

[Octafish]

28. Familiarity Breeds Corruption

Ask Bill and Phil about Buy-Partisanship.

http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html

They both now specialize in all kinds of Wealth Management, like.

[stevenleser]

55. Yeah, and how many degrees of separation can you claim from anyone engaged in wrongdoing?

Meditate on that for a while and then you will see how silly your statement is.

[Octafish]

56. Seeing how repeal of Glass-Steagall cost America untold trillions...

...and threw millions of American families out of their homes, no. Not at all.

You really do need to get up to speed, stevenleser. Try William K. Black:

http://neweconomicperspectives.org/category/william-k-black

Once you get the concept of "Control Fraud," you should see how it applies to people and banking and the United States.

[stevenleser]

57. I see you evaded the question. Tells us all we need to know. nt

[Octafish]

59. Who's ''us?'' And how many degrees of separation are needed to gain or lose one's integrity?

Integrity can't be bought, no matter what family you're in or political party you belong to.

Seeing how billionaires were sinking millions into the pockets of the connected and their progeny on Wall Street, it's not a matter to be taken lightly.

Do I really do have to spell everything out for you?

[stevenleser]

60. Again, you evade the question. How many degrees of separation? nt

[Octafish]

62. Who cares? It has nothing to do with the issue.

Bill Clinton was president and signed into law the repeal of the regulations that protected taxpayers from the banksters.

Phil Gramm was senator and steered through that law, and after resigning from the Senate went to work for Swiss bank UBS.

George W Bush was "president" and signed into law the bankster bailout, putting taxpayers on the hook for the money the banksters disappeared, even benefitting Swiss bank Phil Gramm and Bill Clinton now work for.

Now Clinton's Wall Street son in law is getting money from the same banksters.

How many degrees is that, stevenleser? One? Two? Three? Who cares?

[stevenleser]

66. It has everything to do with the issue, because tagging Hillary with this is stupid

Just as stupid as going through anyone else's family and friends and holding them responsible for their conduct

[Octafish]

69. It has everything to do with Hillary and Bill being millionaires.

Friends of Bill and Hillary are billionaires.

Evidence of an American Plutocracy: The Larry Summers Story

Trickle Down, now in its 34th year...

"You can't help those who simply will not be helped. One problem that we've had, even in the best of times, is people who are sleeping on the grates, the homeless who are homeless, you might say, by choice." -- President Reagan, 1/31/84, on Good Morning America, defending his administration against charges of callousness.



You want more Trickle-Down Voodoo Reaganomics?

Then Friend Larry Summers.

Evidence of an American Plutocracy: The Larry Summers Story

By Matthew Skomarovsky
LilSis.org
Jan 10, 2011 at 19:31 EST

EXCERPT...

Another new business model Rubin and Summers made possible was Enron. Rubin had known Enron well through Goldman Sachs’s financing of the company, and recused himself from matters relating to Enron in his first year on the Clinton team. He and Summers went on to craft policies at Treasury that were essential to Enron’s lucrative energy trading business, and they were in touch with Enron executives and lobbyists all the while. Enron meanwhile won $2.4 billion in foreign development deals from Clinton’s Export-Import Bank, then run by Kenneth Brody, a former protege of Rubin’s at Goldman Sachs.

Soon after Rubin joined Citigroup, its investment banking division picked up Enron as a client, and Citigroup went on to become Enron’s largest creditor, loaning almost $1 billion to the company. As revelations of massive accounting fraud and market manipulation emerged over the next years and threatened to bring down the energy company, Rubin and Summers intervened. While Enron’s rigged electricity prices in California were causing unprecedented blackouts, Summers urged Governor Gray Davis to avoid criticizing Enron and recommended further deregulatory measures. Rubin was an official advisor to Gov. Davis on energy market issues at the time, while Citigroup was heavily invested in Enron’s fraudulent California business, and he too likely put pressure on the Governor to lay off Enron. Rubin also pulled strings at Bush’s Treasury Department in late 2001, calling a former employee to see if Treasury could ask the major rating agencies not to downgrade Enron, and Rubin also lobbied the rating agencies directly. (In all likelihood he made similar attempts in behalf of Citigroup during the recent financial crisis.) Their efforts ultimately failed, Enron went bust, thousands of jobs and pensions were destroyed, and its top executives went to jail. It’s hard to believe, but there was some white-collar justice back then.

SNIP...

Summers also starting showing up around the Hamilton Project, which Rubin had just founded with hedge fund manager Roger Altman. Altman was another Clinton official who had come from Wall Street, following billionaire Peter Peterson from Lehman Brothers to Blackstone Group, and he left Washington to found a major hedge fund in 1996. The Hamilton Project is housed in the Brookings Institution, a prestigious corporate-funded policy discussion center that serves as a sort of staging ground for Democratic elites in transition between government, academic, and business positions. The Hamilton Project would go on to host, more specifically, past and future Democratic Party officials friendly to the financial industry, and to produce a stream of similarly minded policy papers. Then-Senator Obama was the featured political speaker at Hamilton’s inaugural event in April 2006.

Summers joined major banking and political elites on Hamilton’s Advisory Council and appeared at many Hamilton events. During a discussion of the financial crisis in 2008, Summers was asked about his role in repealing Glass-Stegall, the law that forbade commercial and investment banking mergers like Citigroup. “I think it was the right thing to do,” he responded, noting that the repeal of Glass-Stegall made possible a wave of similar mergers during the recent financial crisis, such as Bank of America’s takeover of Merrill Lynch. He was arguing, in effect, that financial deregulation did not cause the financial crisis, it actually solved it. “We need a regulatory system as modern as the markets,” said Summers — quoting Rubin, who was in the room. “We need a hen house as modern as the food chain,” said the fox.

CONTINUED...

http://blog.littlesis.org/2011/01/10/evidence-of-an-ame... /

These are the richest times in history, with seven-eighths of all wealth ever, per David Stockman, Ronald Reagan's own Budget Director. Until we see economic fairness restored through fiscal and other government policies, laws and regulations; the rich will keep getting richer, the middle class will continue dissolving into the new poor, and the poor will become the super-majority. Of course, as money pays for lobbyists who write the laws and speech and cash are the same thing when it comes to elections, the majority perspective on policy will be silent as the grave.

Can you imagine that, stevenleser?

[stevenleser]

71. No, it doesn't, any more than the conduct of your third cousin twice removed

Has on you.

[JDPriestly]

116. You know people by the people they hang out with.

The Clintons hang out with Rubin, Summers, Pete Peterson (enemy of the elderly and vulnerable in America because he is an enemy of Social Security) and all kinds of high-class scoundrels.

[RiverLover]

78. Great info. Thanks for the link. nt

[woo me with science]

80. Thank you.

And still "2+2=5" intones from the telescreens...

[ND-Dem]

90. you just keep on trying to sell that steve; maybe you'll find a buyer one day

[JDPriestly]

115. Not stupid at all. Bill and Hillary Clington tagged themselves with this.

Have you seen the glee and pride -- greed -- on Bill's face when, surrounded by bankers, he signed the Gramm-Rudman bill, the repeal of Glass-Steagall?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7922890

Just one of the good old boys taking other people's houses for fun and money.

[Octafish]

63. Oh. If you're asking me how many degrees of separation from me to the banksters, a lot.

From what I know, no one on either side of my family is corrupt.

How about yours?

[stevenleser]

65. No, how much distance is there between you and anyone doing any wrongdoing

Friends, family, any kinds of crime.

[Octafish]

67. Like I wrote, none in my family.

Speaking of "Degrees of Separation": Here's one that does have me wondering, a WTF moment from Kennebunkport July 30, 1983, Bill Clinton, George Bush & George Wallace.



Wallace and his third wife, the former Lisa Taylor, meet with Vice President George Bush and Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton at a lobster bake at Bush's residence at Kennebunkport, Maine, July 30, 1983. The third Mrs. Wallace, whom the governor married in 1981, was 30 years his junior and half of a country-western singing duo, Mona and Lisa, who had performed during his campaign in 1968.

CREDIT: AP/Birmingham Post

SOURCE: http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/george-wallace/13/

George Wallace did all he could to oppose President Kennedy and his administration's policy to integrate public schools, including the University of Alabama.

Something else important to know: Wallace’s running mate in 1968 was Gen. Curtis LeMay, who exhibited insubordination to President Kennedy during the Cuban Missile Crisis. President Kennedy, former CIA analyst Ray McGovern noted, exhibited signs of stress over the possibility of a military coup.

[stevenleser]

68. No one in your extended family has ever committed ANY kind of crime?

Second cousins? Third cousins twice removed?

[Octafish]

70. Why is that so hard for you to believe?

And why do you keep asking? Are you related to J Edgar Hoover?

[stevenleser]

72. Look up the concept of six degrees of separation. It will explain everything. Nt

[Rex]

83. He's mad because his point went absolutely nowhere.

You don't have any criminals in your family and steven cannot handle that, because it doesn't go with his prepackaged narrative. You are a real trooper to even try and have a discussion with our special group of DUers.

[Octafish]

85. The guy is relentlessly obtuse.

One example, demonstrating how CIA interfered with the New York Times: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023061206#post88



Like the English writing dude said, "All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players: they have their exits and their entrances; and one man in his time plays many parts, his acts being seven ages."

Me, I'm growing old and tired and all too soon it will be time to exit stage left. Really wanted to leave the minds of readers a somewhat better place.

[JDPriestly]

118. Not surprising that self-appointed reporters think everyone is corrupt.

[ND-Dem]

91. nor mine. do you know a lot of criminals yourself, then?

[JDPriestly]

117. In my family, you have to look very, very far to find any kind of crime.

Bunch of very religious people who obey the law.

Are you speaking for yourself?

[DonCoquixote]

74. the best form of separation

is when you get up and denounce what folks like Goldman Sachs did.

Hillary will not, and does not.

[antigop]

82. Lloyd Blankfein: "I held fundraisers for her." (HRC)

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/wall-street-republicans-hillary-clinton-2016-106070.html

“If it turns out to be Jeb versus Hillary we would love that and either outcome would be fine,” one top Republican-leaning Wall Street lawyer said over lunch in midtown Manhattan last week. “We could live with either one. Jeb versus Joe Biden would also be fine. It’s Rand Paul or Ted Cruz versus someone like Elizabeth Warren that would be everybody’s worst nightmare.”

Most top GOP fundraisers and donors on Wall Street won’t say this kind of thing on the record for fear of heavy blowback from party officials, as well as supporters of Cruz and Rand Paul. Few want to acknowledge publicly that the Democratic front-runner fills them with less dread than some Republican 2016 hopefuls. And, to be sure, none of the Republican-leaning financial executives are so far suggesting they’d openly back her.

But the private consensus is similar to what Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein said to POLITICO late last year when he praised both Christie — before the bridge scandal — and Clinton. “I very much was supportive of Hillary Clinton the last go-round,” he said. “I held fundraisers for her.”

[Divernan]

96. GOP/WallST atty:fine w/ Jeb or Hillary;Warren our worst nightmare.

That is an excellent link which should be repeatedly posted throughout the primary campaign - should in fact HRC actually run. I think the repeated delays - talk about a Koch teaser - are because as long as she's potentially running, she & the Clinton foundation can keep privately raking in the mega-donations/speaking fees from those investing in future paybacks from the Oval Office.

I don't see the Clintons as having amassed (at most recent count) over $70 million of personal wealth since Bill left office as anything other than $70 million of indebtedness which they have intimated and/or outright promised to repay when HRC is president. Nobody gives you that wink/touch of the nose like the Big Dog.
Nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more!

One scene from the extended version of the film of The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers. Merry and Pippin stumble upon barrels of pipeweed in the ruins of Isengard. Merry says it would be better to not tell Treebeard about it; Pippin says "Oh, I get it" and touches the side of his nose, too.

In the movie The Sting, the nose tapping is a signal between the con men.

[RiverLover]

101. Wall Street Republicans' dark secret: Hillary Clinton 2016

Thanks for the link!

The only thing worse than a Republican is a Republican who calls herself a Democrat.

[JDPriestly]

114. Probably quite a few when it comes to greed.

[Romulox]

104. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!!!!

You're doing great, Mineralman!!!!

[Caretha]

119. My all time fave since we are on the subject

is....

There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See:

[woo me with science]

30. +1 It's a cozy, elite club,

populated by those wealthy enough to afford an extensive propaganda budget.

I see the PR brigade is already here to hurl rocks at those who comment on the obvious.

[Divernan]

50. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. A whole family of grifters.

Last edited Sat Feb 7, 2015, 06:40 AM - Edit history (1)

As the twig is bent, so grows the tree. Marc Mezvinsky's parents were both grifters. Chelsea's father-in-law, or as some refer to him "felon-in-law" is Ed Mezvinsky. Since Ed Mezvinsky's own mother-in-law was one of his fraud victims, HRC & Bill would have been smart not to invest either their private millions or the Clinton Foundation's funds in son-in-law's hedge fund. And just where did Marc M get his faulty international insights as to Greece? Or was Bill selling short on Eaglevale's choices all along?

(F)ederal prosecutors said Ed Mezvinsky habitually dropped the Clintons' names and boasted of their friendship during the 1990s as he defrauded friends, family members and institutions out of more than $10 million.

Ed Mezvinsky was sentenced in 2003 to serve 80 months in federal prison after pleading guilty to a massive fraud that prosecutors said amounted to a Ponzi scheme. He was released from custody in April 2008, but remains under federal probation supervision.
Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/mezvinsky.asp#W86TSmhCqGEkOYkR.99

After serving five years in federal prison, he was released in April 2008. He remained on federal probation until 2011, and still owes $9.4 million in restitution to his victims.


And the groom's mother, Marjorie Margolies? Well, she tried to file for bankruptcy but the bankruptcy judge wasn't having it. Somehow the female bankruptcy judge didn't believe a woman who had served in the US Congress when said woman whined that she had no knowledge of her family's finances because her husband took care of all finances.

Shortly thereafter, she filed for bankruptcy, but failed to receive a discharge from her debts, based on 11 U.S.C. §727(a)(5). The court found Mezvinsky had failed to satisfactorily explain a significant loss of assets in the four years prior to her bankruptcy filing. The bankruptcy judge stated, in her published opinion, "I find that the Debtor has failed to satisfactorily explain the loss of approximately $775,000 worth of assets (the difference between the $810,000 represented in May 1996 and the $35,000 now claimed in her Amended Schedule B)." Sonders v. Mezvinsky (in re Mezvinsky), 265 B.R. 681, 694 (Bankr. E.D. Pa. 2001).

When she filed for bankruptcy, a judge rejected her assertion of ignorance in a scathing decision that, depending on how you read it, either calls her feminist assertions into question or suggests she knows more than she’s letting on. “Her consistent response to questions asked by her creditors about the disposition of her assets is lack of knowledge or ‘my husband handled it,’ a mantra that is completely at odds with her public persona, background, and accomplishments,” the judge wrote.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2013/12/the-clinton-in-law-marjorie-margolies-100696_Page3.html#ixzz3PH7Y4Lsv

Who would HRC seat these grifters next to at state dinners? Whomever they might be, they'd better hang onto their wallets.

[woo me with science]

75. Excellent post. nt

[ND-Dem]

92. +100.

[Octafish]

102. Thank you for the heads-up, Divernan.

I knew the family was something, but I didn't know the family was something like that.

Do they plan to franchise?

[JDPriestly]

34. And people wonder why some of us do not want Hillary to run.

Outrageous news. It's simply gambling. It isn't the kind of investment we need in this world.

They aren't using good math. They aren't hedging bets. They just gamble.

Horrible.

The worst of it is that they gamble against the poor and the middle class.

[Octafish]

61. Some ideas are as old as dirt.

A cartoon, FWICF, just before the First World War:



Goes a long way to explaining how some memes can stop people talking about CIA spying and its impact on inequality PDQ.

[woo me with science]

79. ^^^^^^^^^^^^

[JDPriestly]

89. NO GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO MOONLIGHT FOR PRIVATE COMPANIES.

That is an absolutely horrible idea.

It's corruption, total corruption. There is no way that a government employee can work simultaneously for a private company and the government without the stench of corruption regardless how innocent the work is.

Horrors! How can we allow this?

[Octafish]

103. Combine that with the swells going from NSA to private practice and back...

...only thing worse would be if private companies possessed government inside knowledge through NSA programs.

Oh. Hang on...

Know your BFEE: CARLYLE Group 'bound by the thread of turning government secrets into profits'

...and Carlyle Group, the same folks who brought the House of Bush and the House of bin Laden together to make Big Money off inside knowledge of war, terror, etc; today owns Booz Allen Hamilton, the NSA's number one private go-to contractor. I kid democracy not.

[JDPriestly]

113. And this:

The numbers tell the story — in votes and dollars. On Wednesday, the House voted 217 to 205 not to rein in the NSA’s phone-spying dragnet. It turns out that those 217 “no” voters received twice as much campaign financing from the defense and intelligence industry as the 205 “yes” voters.

That’s the upshot of a new analysis by MapLight, a Berkeley-based non-profit that performed the inquiry at WIRED’s request. The investigation shows that defense cash was a better predictor of a member’s vote on the Amash amendment than party affiliation. House members who voted to continue the massive phone-call-metadata spy program, on average, raked in 122 percent more money from defense contractors than those who voted to dismantle it.

Overall, political action committees and employees from defense and intelligence firms such as Lockheed Martin, Boeing, United Technologies, Honeywell International, and others ponied up $12.97 million in donations for a two-year period ending December 31, 2012, according to the analysis, which MapLight performed with financing data from OpenSecrets. Lawmakers who voted to continue the NSA dragnet-surveillance program averaged $41,635 from the pot, whereas House members who voted to repeal authority averaged $18,765.

Of the top 10 money getters, only one House member — Rep. Jim Moran (D-Virginia) — voted to end the program.

http://www.wired.com/2013/07/money-nsa-vote/

[alcibiades_mystery]

3. I heard his cousin was also best friends in elementary school with Chelsea's neighbor's uncle

When will we ever learn!!!!



You posting shit from the Weekly Standard now?

[benz380]

5. Laugh at these links too then.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/hedge-fund-co-founded-by-chelsea-clintons-husband-suffers-losses-tied-to-greece-1423000325

http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clintons-son-in-law-bet-big--and-lost--on-greece-2015-2

http://investmentwatchblog.com/nice-one-of-the-key-investors-in-the-hedge-fund-of-hillary-clintons-son-in-law-is-goldman-sachs-ceo-lloyd-blankfein/

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/chelsea-clinton-mark-mezvinsky-hedge-fund-loss-114880.html

http://www.forexfactory.com/news.php?do=news&id=524828

http://www.scoopnest.com/user/businessinsider/562781509137219584

[btrflykng9]

32. These connections between bankers and politicians have been well documented for quite some time

"Our Crowd: The Great Jewish Families of New York" by Stephen Birmingham goes into the beginnings of some of these well-established banking houses and the connections they had and influence over politics over the years. It has only continued and gotten more inbred as time has gone on.

Simply deciding something isn't true doesn't make it not true.

[Ichingcarpenter]

4. Chelsea Clinton's Husband Suffers Massive Hedge Fund Loss On Greek Investment

They bet with the IMF and the banksters and got it wrong



Chelsea Clinton's Husband Suffers Massive Hedge Fund Loss On Greek Investment



Despite having Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein as an investor and being Bill and Hillary Clinton's son-in-law, Marc Mezvinsky (and two former colleagues from Goldman Sachs who manage Eaglevale Partners hedge fund) told investors in a letter sent last week they had been "incorrect" on Greece, helping produce losses for the firm’s main fund during two of the past three years. By 'incorrect' Chelsea Clinton's husband means the Eaglevale fund focused on Greece lost a stunning 48% last year and, as The Wall Street Journal reports, is impacting the overall returns of the roughly $400 million fund which has spent 27 of its 34 months in operation below its "high-water mark."


In 2013, Institutional Investor proclaimed Mezvinsky "a hedge fund rising star"...

In late 2011, Marc Mezvinsky co-founded New York-based, macro-focused hedge fund firm Eaglevale Partners with Bennett Grau and Mark Mallon, two Goldman Sachs Group proprietary traders whom he'd gotten to know when they all worked at the bank. Best known as the husband of Chelsea Clinton, Mezvinsky, 35, who has a BA in religious studies and philosophy from Stanford University and an MA in politics, philosophy and economics from the University of Oxford, has been quietly building his finance career. Before launching his own firm, the longtime Clinton family friend was a partner and global macro portfolio manager at New York- and Rio de Janeiro-based investment house 3G Capital. Eaglevale manages more than $400 million.
But, as The Wall Street Journal reports, things are not working out so well...

The hedge fund co-founded by Bill and Hillary Clinton ’s son-in-law suffered losses tied to an ill-timed bet on Greece’s economic recovery, according to documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.

Eaglevale Partners LP, founded by Marc Mezvinsky and two former colleagues from Goldman Sachs Group Inc., told investors in a letter sent last week they had been “incorrect” on Greece, helping produce losses for the firm’s main fund during two of the past three years, according to the letter.

The main fund dropped 3.6% last year, far trailing the 5.7% rise for similar hedge funds tracked by HFR Inc. That followed an Eaglevale gain of 2.06% in 2013 and a loss of 1.96% in 2012, the documents show


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-03/chelsea-clintons-husband-suffers-massive-hedge-fund-loss-greek-investment

[hedda_foil]

24. And one of his major investors just happens to be Lloyd Blankfein.

You know, the head of Goldman Sachs.(From Benz's links above)

http://investmentwatchblog.com/nice-one-of-the-key-investors-in-the-hedge-fund-of-hillary-clintons-son-in-law-is-goldman-sachs-ceo-lloyd-blankfein/

Do you think there might be a bit of "I'll wash your hands if you'll wash mine here"?

If one of the Bush twins were married to Medvinsky instead of Chelsea, how would you react?

[Ichingcarpenter]

25. they are part of the players in game therory

This Greek game-theory guru is the most interesting man in Europe right now


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10247241

[GeorgeGist]

46. Like father, like son ...

check it out.

[Divernan]

51. Absolutely. I spelled it out in post # 50.

[geek tragedy]

6. So what? nt

[benz380]

7. Yeah who gives a shit that politicians and banksters are in bed together. n/t

[geek tragedy]

8. So you are outraged that Chelsea Clinton married someone without getting your approval first? nt

[ChosenUnWisely]

9. Yeah no big deal that the undeclared Democratic candidate is in bed with the very people that

need to be regulated by the federal government.

Nothing to see move along.

St Hillary is up for corporate coronation and we can't have a little corruption getting in the of her rightful assent to the WH.

[MineralMan]

11. Hillary Clinton is sleeping with her son-in-law?

Now that's real news!

Maybe a little attention to your word choices would be helpful.

[ChosenUnWisely]

16. IF you say so, IDC who she sleeps with but if you do, have at it.

[MineralMan]

18. Well, see, you said she was "in bed with" someone.

I figured you have some sort of inside knowledge. Apparently her son-in-law made an expensive mistake in investments. How do you get from that to Hillary and her son-in-law being "in bed together." That's really confusing to me. I doubt her son-in-law consulted her about investment decisions. If he did, he got some poor advice, apparently.

I've learned one thing, though: I won't be investing with that person. He doesn't seem to have good ideas.

[ChosenUnWisely]

21. Ahh your are a literalist then, OK

American English can be very tricky sometimes for some people, so in this case in bed mean in cahoots with each other, they are in a partnership or in league with each other.

Sorry if the American vehicular is confusing you.

[MineralMan]

23. Cliches are tricky to use. You aren't using them well.

I'm not confused. Truly.

[MADem]

27. Your friend is trying--he/she is trying to bowl you over with his/her "vehicular!"

Vroom, vroom!!!!

[MineralMan]

36. Well, I'm an expert on the English vehicular.

I've owned many automobiles built in England, and have suffered from the various electrical vehicular issues caused by the "Prince of Darkness," Joseph Lucas, himself. Nevertheless, in the vernacular of the UK, they were all jolly good cars.

[MADem]

26. Now that entire post is a keeper.....for pure hilarity!!!!

I don't intend to be "mean," but really--you were being very unkind and snooty to Mineral Man with your snarky comments. I'm aftraid you hoisted yourself on your own petard:

American English can be very tricky sometimes for some people, so in this case in bed mean in cahoots with each other, they are in a partnership or in league with each other.

Sorry if the American vehicular is confusing you.

Nothing better than a lecture about language, followed by the lecturer confusing a word relating to automobiles with the term vernacular!!

ver·nac·u·lar
vərˈnakyələr/Submit
noun
1.
the language or dialect spoken by the ordinary people in a particular country or region.
"he wrote in the vernacular to reach a larger audience"
synonyms: language, dialect, regional language, regionalisms, patois, parlance; More
the terminology used by people belonging to a specified group or engaging in a specialized activity.
plural noun: vernaculars
"gardening vernacular"
2.
architecture concerned with domestic and functional rather than monumental buildings.
"buildings in which Gothic merged into farmhouse vernacular"
adjective
adjective: vernacular
1.
(of language) spoken as one's mother tongue; not learned or imposed as a second language.
(of speech or written works) spoken or written using one's mother tongue.
"vernacular literature"
2.
(of architecture) concerned with domestic and functional rather than monumental buildings.

[msanthrope]

100. I think the lack of response means he's trying to Dodge the issue. nt

[MADem]

111. Yes, it's easy to get carried away! The best way to Ford that stream is to

go downriver, I reckon!

[geek tragedy]

29. You forgot to tell him to

"get a brain, moran."

[woo me with science]

33. I call that, "The Call to Stupid,"

and it's probably one of the most pathetic and transparent tactics of the PR defense brigade. I honestly feel embarrassed for them whenever they use it, because it HAS to have come from a binder somewhere.

Yes, MineralMan, who is clearly capable of stringing together words to create prose at *at least* an introductory college level, is nevertheless pretending to be so stupid that he took that literally and was unable to comprehend what you meant.

This is the level of idiocy, smear, and sheer juvenile manipulativeness and dishonesty we now face as a matter of course in the sink of propaganda our political gathering places have become. This is the level of contempt with which our corporate political parties now view us, and this is how stupid they are, to think that this is how stupid we are.

[MineralMan]

37. Thank you for the fine compliment.

I appreciate it very much.

[woo me with science]

40. Actually, I consider what you do here

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to be beneath contempt.

You are smart enough to be *effective* working on the side of democracy, ethical government, and humanity. Unless it's all part of the persona, your comments about your family and your dogs suggest that there was once some moral core there. I could even believe that you were initially drawn to the Democratic Party because of genuinely believing in what it used to stand for.

But, somewhere along the way, you sold out. You participate in this ugly online manipulation, swarming with other members of the corporate defense brigade to distort, drown out or drive away voices of human beings who are trying to correct the sewer of corporate corruption our government has become. Your words are mean and dishonest, as exemplified by the the absurdity above where you pretended not to comprehend in order to accuse someone of talking about Hillary's sex life. That's low. That's the behavior of a corrupt, morally bankrupt political machine. And you participate in it every day here.

And we get more bloody war for profit, more dead children and despair, more corporatizing the hell out of everything, more hungry schoolkids and homeless seniors, and the trading of our democratic systems for investor state courts and surveillance machines and "Kill Lists" and secret laws and secret courts and private prison industries.

You had a choice, and you chose the side of those who are literally corrupting our democratic system to the point that we may not get it back. You chose the system that manipulates the public with online propaganda rather than representing them, and that relentlessly defends this march into what is literally becoming fascism. That's millions of human lives, millions of futures, for your little paycheck. I couldn't do that type of work. I could not look at my family or at myself in the mirror and choose to participate.

So, no. It wasn't a compliment.

[MineralMan]

41. Good to know. Really.

I suspected as much.

[MineralMan]

58. "...for your little paycheck" What?

You think I get paid for posting on DU? I do not. I get paid for writing small business websites. I have never been paid for any political writing. I used to get paid for writing about computers and computer software. Now, I get paid for writing about HVAC and property management for small businesses.

Nobody has ever even offered to pay me for writing about politics. If someone did that, I would turn them down flat.

If you think I'm posting on DU for money, you're very mistaken. It's not what I do for a living, and I make nothing for it.

So, you're right. Your post was not a compliment. It was an untrue accusation, one which I did not see until the second reading. Please don't accuse DUers of being paid shills. You do not know me. You have never met me. I have just told you what I do for a living. You can see my work at the link in my signature line. You can also see what I do in the way of activism in another link.

Please don't accuse me again of posting for money here. I do not, and never have.

[ND-Dem]

93. agree that mm's pretense of not knowing the meaning of 'in bed with' was manipulative ==

and that two posters piled on when the initial poster made some vocabulary error == manipulative and dirty again

[Marr]

106. +1

The sentiment behind it seems little different from, 'yeah, so what you gonna do about it'?

[PoliticAverse]

38. You really are unfamiliar with the "in bed with" idiom? n/t

[MineralMan]

39. Of course I'm familiar with that cliche.

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Two separate people in this thread have used it. If Hillary Clinton were "in bed" with everyone people claim, she'd not be in the position she is today. Cliches are how people without effective language skills attempt cleverness. It's interesting to look closely at their meaning from time to time. That aids in understanding their origins and reveals the paucity of their meaning.

[ND-Dem]

94. here's what the man said"

Yeah no big deal that the undeclared Democratic candidate is in bed with the very people that
need to be regulated by the federal government

and your response was

"Hilary Clinton is sleeping with her son in law?"


disingenuous

[LanternWaste]

12. What specific personal relations and relevant careers of in-laws should be used to disqualify

What other specific personal relations and relevant careers of in-laws should be used to disqualify one from running for office?

[MineralMan]

19. Well, apparently the sins of the son-in-law are now visited

upon the mother-in-law. There's some real stretching going on here. A couple of people have even used the "in bed together" allusion to claim some sort of faulty relationship.

[Marr]

108. You should delete that.

It's a thoroughly dishonest misrepresentation of another poster's very reasonable comment, and just plain low. Repeating like this is disgusting.

[stevenleser]

54. And a similar question, how many degrees of separation do you need from anyone accused of wrongdoing

... and the answer is, it's much easier to just hold the individual responsible for only their own actions.

[MineralMan]

13. Who is Hillary Clinton sleeping with? Is that what you're suggesting?

Guilt by association is very poor logic, you know, and using sexual references to make your point is even weaker.

[woo me with science]

31. I know! It's all coincidence!

Psst...I have it on good authority that Jamie Dimon found those Presidential cufflinks at a thrift shop, too...

[whatchamacallit]

44. Is it safe to assume you'd react the same if this story was about a republican candidate's family?

[geek tragedy]

45. Yes. Whom Chelsea Clinton marries is none of my--or your--fucking business.

Similarly, I don't give a rat's ass who Jeb Bush's daughters marry.

If you are concerned with the personal life of Hillary Clinton's daughter, that does not have anything to do with policy.

Perhaps you can go out and dig up some dirt on Malia and Sasha Obama while you're at it.

[whatchamacallit]

47. The implications go beyond the simple fact of who she married

but you can make it about whatever you want.

[geek tragedy]

48. No it really doesn't. It's just trashy gossip worthy of a tabloid.

Chelsea Clinton married someone of whose profession you do not approve, and you and others are all really upset that Chelsea Clinton did not take your sensibilities into account when she decided to marry and have children with this guy.

Perhaps you should stick to policy instead of peering in the bedroom windows of a candidate's daughter.

[Cali_Democrat]

52. LOL

"Perhaps you should stick to policy instead of peering in the bedroom windows of a candidate's daughter."

[hughee99]

10. Normally, I'm willing to give some of these stories the benefit of the doubt when there's a lot of

information that's unknown, but this story just seems like the author threw a bunch of names together in a story hoping for "guilt by association", which is weird, because it's not about anyone breaking any laws.

Marc Mezvinsky's hedge fund lost a ton of money on Greece. That's a story. Lloyd Blankfein was a big investor and lost a lot of money as well. Maybe that's a story too, since people like to hear stories about the rich and powerful losing money.

What does any of this have to do with Hillary, though?

[stevenleser]

43. Yeah, this is silly. Son in Law? Is that to what the anti-Hillary crowd has reduced themselves?

[hughee99]

49. I'm not a Hillary fan, and even I think this is stupid.

If the fund had been unusually successful because of some intervention that the Clintons may have had advanced knowledge of, there might be a conspiracy theory to peddle, but I don't see any angle here where someone might even be accused of some sort of underhanded dealings. This doesn't even seem to rise to the level of "throwing mud against the wall to see what sticks".

[pa28]

14. It would seem he's not a very good hedge fund manager.

But I'm sure he'll continue to draw lots of new investment dollars because one hand washes the other.

[Scuba]

15. Nothing to see here. It's not like all of us other progressives don't have Goldman investing in us.

[ND-Dem]

95. +100. and we all have friends and relatives who are crooks, too. (just not as successful at

it as some people's friends and relatives, apparently)

[Faryn Balyncd]

17. So he pays himself $2M/yr to lose his investor's money, while similar hedge funds made

...made 5.7% (and someone who put their money in a low fee (0.17%) index fund like the Vanguard Total Stock Market fund made 12.43% in 2014, (and averaged 20.43% annually over the last 3 year boom while Mezvinsky pays himself $2M/yr to lose money in 2 of 3 years).

And the Goldman CEO thinks its a good idea to be a Key Investor.

So, did Mezvinsky manage to pay tax at the 15% capital gains tax rate given to hedge fund managers, while squandering his benefactor's money in the middle of the biggest stock market boom in 15 years?



Should Mezvinsky be under consideration for Secretary of the Treasury?

[woo me with science]

35. Great post.

What a sewer of corruption in these cozy, corporate circles.



_________________________________________________

Creepy interactive graphic of Hillary Clinton's ties to the Forbes Top 400
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026173626

[FLPanhandle]

20. If Hillary is like my mother-in-law, this would be bad for the Goldman Sachs CEO

Sounds like he also lost a lot of money

[wolfie001]

42. He should've followed in his MIL's footsteps and.....

.....bet on pork bellies. I heard his dad's quite the guy. Owes northwards of $9 million dollars in restitution to his victims. Nice family. I'm sure all these people can relate to us common-folk.

[Divernan]

98. Mezvinsky Sr.'s victims included family, friends, & his own mother-in-law.

Just google Mezvinsky & Ponzi Scheme.

[wolfie001]

112. I'm voting for Hillary anyways.

If she's the candidate, which she'll be. Interesting story though.

[AtomicKitten]

53. The Mezvinskys are a colorful lot.

We call it grifting when Repulicans do it.

[SidDithers]

64. Better Believe It!...

Yup. BBI used to love using right-wing sources like The Weekly Standard to attack Democrats.



Sid

[Octafish]

99. Can't defend the indefensible, so smear the messenger.

That's an un-democratic tactic. Did you learn it from SDuderstadt, SidDithers of DU?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7874402

[SidDithers]

105. Well, you would certainly know about indefensible messengers, octafish of DU...

given your propensity for promoting and legitimizing the work of noted bigots, racists, homophobes and conspiracy theorist lunatics. You're a guy who thinks white-nationalist Paul Craig Roberts and insane homophobe Wayne Madsen are credible, and appropriate sources for use on a progressive message board.

I look forward to your threads promoting the deluded ramblings of Jerome Corsi and David Duke.

Or maybe Pat Buchanan.

Better Believe It.

Sid

[Octafish]

110. BOOKMARK THIS.

I've asked you, repeatedly over the years, to show what you term my "propensity for promoting and legitimizing the work of noted bigots, racists, homophobes and conspiracy theorist lunatics. You're a guy who thinks white-nationalist Paul Craig Roberts and insane homophobe Wayne Madsen are credible, and appropriate sources for use on a progressive message board."

Seeing how you fail to actually show any of that, I want these to be in the record for all DU to see:

Where I quoted Roberts when he supported Don Siegelman:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022073759


Where I quoted Madsen recently to document the business links between Bush and bin Laden:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6059251


Where I first quoted Madsen on DU2 in 2003 (earlier examples exist, but none so illustrative):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x610051


Where you smear Naomi Klein, making me think the practice is your speciality:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5318151


You will note that I did not support any theory, smear, or lie; I only posted what these people wrote. And as far I as I knew or know, none of these people are anything like what you describe, SidDithers of DU.

What's a person called who repeats something that is not true, SidDithers of DU?

[DonCoquixote]

73. makign sure Lloyd Blankfeld

sets the policy, even if we elect Hillary.

[pnwmom]

76. Is Hillary's son-in-law running for office? n/t

[grasswire]

77. isn't this an interesting little thread?

Very interesting to see which DU-ers are rushing to the defense of Chelsea's husband and Wall Street in this context.

[WillyT]

81. It's All About Defending The Inevitable Front-Runner Who Hasn't Even Annouced Who's Setting Up...

Their Campaign HQ In Brooklyn

Or some shit like that...

[Rex]

84. Ivan Pavlov would find them interesting.

Blow a dog whistle and the swarm shows up as if my magic.

[woo me with science]

86. +1

And note what else they defend.

Always watch the patterns.

[Octafish]

87. Well, if you wanna be on the tee vee you gonna have to say the right things.

Rupert Murdoch Loves Hillary Clinton

[Divernan]

97. Dick Scaife & his newspapers endorsed her last presidential run.

By their friends, relatives, investors & backers shall ye know them.

Chelsea's in-laws were known grifters 10 years before she married their son. She evidently felt right at home.

[Marr]

109. +1

[woo me with science]

88. kick for plutocracy

[NYC_SKP]

120. Impossible! nt