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Mira

(22,685 posts)
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 02:54 PM Feb 2015

The Rats Are Fleeing The Sinking Ship As Israel Says Boehner Lied About Netanyahu Speech

by Jason Easley




A top official is publicly claiming that John Boehner misled the Israeli government into believing that President Obama had been notified and was on board with Prime Minister Netanyahu’s address to Congress.

During an appearance on Tel Aviv Radio, Deputy Israeli Foreign Minister Tzachi Hanegbi said, “It appears that the speaker of Congress made a move, in which we trusted, but which it ultimately became clear was a one-sided move and not a move by both sides,” but Deputy Foreign Minister also said that Netanyahu would not be canceling his speech, “What would the outcome be then? The outcome would be that we forsake an arena in which there is a going to be a very dramatic decision (on Iran).”

The official did not disagree with the interviewer when he said that Boehner had misled Netanyahu.

If Netanyahu were misled, he would have apologized to the White House for the violation of protocol. Since he has not, it is clear that the Netanyahu government is trying to do damage control by throwing John Boehner under the bus. It is clear from the facts that this was a plan that was cooked up by Speaker Boehner and the Israeli Ambassador to the U.S., Ron Dermer. The Ambassador was a Republican, before he became an Israeli citizen. The plan was to humiliate President Obama and pressure him into approving new sanctions against Iran.

The claim that Israel was misled is dubious from every angle. There is no doubt that Speaker Boehner would play fast and loose with the facts. Pressure has been growing on Boehner domestically as President Obama’s popularity has surged after the Democratic midterm election defeat. Obama has taken a series of steps that seized the agenda and momentum away from the new Republican congressional majority.

It is likely that Boehner and Netanyahu viewed a speech before Congress as both an opportunity to divide Democrats at home while helping Netanyahu secure reelection in Israel. The plan has completely backfired. Netanyahu has been heavily criticized in Israel while congressional Democrats are in complete revolt in the United States.

The Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister’s comments were the first sign that the rats are fleeing the sinking ship. The finger pointing has begun.

The scheme to humiliate a sitting president has unraveled, as Obama remains stronger than ever.



source:

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/02/06/rats-fleeing-sinking-ship-israel-boehner-lied-netanyahu-speech.html

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The Rats Are Fleeing The Sinking Ship As Israel Says Boehner Lied About Netanyahu Speech (Original Post) Mira Feb 2015 OP
Couple of assholes pointing the finger at each other. NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #1
yes, clearly fingerpointing, cuz it leads to greater confusion...aka cover HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #33
BiBi and BooHoo. TheCowsCameHome Feb 2015 #2
Hahahaha!! Ha! bravenak Feb 2015 #3
DUzy! LiberalAndProud Feb 2015 #5
Moooooooooooooo! Thread winner malaise Feb 2015 #7
Did Bibi just shove Boehner under the bus? pscot Feb 2015 #9
Bloody spot on, TCCH. Cha Feb 2015 #25
I like that. nt kelliekat44 Feb 2015 #29
Lol Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #32
My hope is this will lead to his defeat Egnever Feb 2015 #4
It's also time for Boehner to go Warpy Feb 2015 #8
That's about right BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #10
So, then, everyone in the GOP House moves up in the chain of ascension to the Presidency? Better the devil you know. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #12
Oh that it would be so, Egnever.. both overstepping and having it Boomerrang back on them. Cha Feb 2015 #26
Well, it that safeinOhio Feb 2015 #6
Unfortunately the plan to pressure and embarrass President Obama lacked something....facts. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #11
As my High School Econ Teacher once told a student Turbineguy Feb 2015 #13
k&r. Thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #14
Wisely played by Bibi and Boehner. It'll get millions of votes for them. Support for Israel is freshwest Feb 2015 #15
I disagree brush Feb 2015 #28
Sorry, but Republicans, Baggers, etc. find bullying attractive. They love 'strong, manly men,' and freshwest Feb 2015 #36
One should ask which country do they pledge? DearAbby Feb 2015 #38
When Obama spoke out against the Citizens United decision by SCOTUS, he warned us of this: freshwest Feb 2015 #42
I still don't think that speech will come off. brush Feb 2015 #40
I hope it doesn't... But with Adelson, the Koches and GOP joined at the hip, IDK. freshwest Feb 2015 #41
The more they let this go on, even the more information gets out about the politics. There is a kelliekat44 Feb 2015 #30
They may see the light, but they've been taught from birth that Israel is untouchable. freshwest Feb 2015 #37
"Christian churches" heck sitting US Senators... Agony Feb 2015 #34
Oh ho ho LittleBlue Feb 2015 #16
Boehner??!? LIED??!? No Way!! lastlib Feb 2015 #17
can ANYBODY say sedition? pansypoo53219 Feb 2015 #18
I see Boner color coordinated his neck tie. lpbk2713 Feb 2015 #19
Well, well, well! Pubs turning around and biting one another! How refreshing! Nay Feb 2015 #20
There will be consequences hollowdweller Feb 2015 #21
GOP has had a ruff week,,, Cryptoad Feb 2015 #22
It's all spin/damage control until Netanyahu cancels his speech nt riderinthestorm Feb 2015 #23
K&Rn/t Dalai_1 Feb 2015 #24
Israeli official blames John Boehner for Netanyahu speech screw-up eridani Feb 2015 #27
Demer never told John Kerry when he met with him dmr Feb 2015 #31
"Obama knew" was a topic of RW articles last week underpants Feb 2015 #35
this could be fun to watch! spanone Feb 2015 #39
R#67 & K n/t UTUSN Feb 2015 #43
anybody who supports Ramses Feb 2015 #44
... Mira Feb 2015 #45

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
1. Couple of assholes pointing the finger at each other.
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 02:58 PM
Feb 2015

It is REMARKABLE the lengths they will go to express their hatred for the skin color of our president.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
33. yes, clearly fingerpointing, cuz it leads to greater confusion...aka cover
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 08:22 AM
Feb 2015

IMO the clever guys on both sides purposefully planned to do something that showed disrespect to the administration.

They do this pretty regularly on their own, but this time they thought they'd do the dance together, which required coordination which made it looked like the unbecoming petty conspiracy of very highly placed players that it was.

No way out now but to revert to kindergarten solutions... saying 'the other guy started it'.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
4. My hope is this will lead to his defeat
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 03:04 PM
Feb 2015

It is past time for this warmonger to go and for Israel to elect someone who has a vision of keeping Israel safe and strong without doing it at the expense of others.

Warpy

(114,615 posts)
8. It's also time for Boehner to go
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 03:19 PM
Feb 2015

Send him back to the 19th hole where he can drink himself to death in peace, while regaling everybody in earshot with stories about how he used to be a big shot.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
10. That's about right
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 03:49 PM
Feb 2015

Though he's just a bumbler. I fear what heartless bastard they'll get next.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
12. So, then, everyone in the GOP House moves up in the chain of ascension to the Presidency? Better the devil you know.
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 03:59 PM
Feb 2015

Cha

(319,077 posts)
26. Oh that it would be so, Egnever.. both overstepping and having it Boomerrang back on them.
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 05:41 AM
Feb 2015

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
11. Unfortunately the plan to pressure and embarrass President Obama lacked something....facts.
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 03:58 PM
Feb 2015

Turbineguy

(40,074 posts)
13. As my High School Econ Teacher once told a student
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 04:08 PM
Feb 2015

"If you want to match wits with me you have to be more than a half-wit!"

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
15. Wisely played by Bibi and Boehner. It'll get millions of votes for them. Support for Israel is
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 04:39 PM
Feb 2015
UNCONDITIONAL in the majority of Christian churches and they will vote GOP if Democrats boycott or object to Bibi. It doesn't matter if we don't like it. Any show of outrage by our side will be played up by media to rile up THEIR voting block. OURS will forget it by 2016. EOM.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
28. I disagree
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 06:53 AM
Feb 2015

If Netanyahu goes through with this he will come off as a meddling bully forcefully intruding into the affairs of another state, just as he did recently when he injected himself into the Charlie Hebdo parade in Paris even though President Holland had pointedly asked him not to attend.

I'm almost hoping he goes through with this so more people will see him as the bully he is but it's pretty apparent that blaming Boner is a face-saving move that sets the stage for cancelling the speech.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
36. Sorry, but Republicans, Baggers, etc. find bullying attractive. They love 'strong, manly men,' and
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 05:29 PM
Feb 2015
it doesn't matter what their 'manly man' has done. Has it stopped Christie, Walker, etc. from being re-elected, despite their aggressive, even brutish, ill-mannered personas?

And can we maintain the fantasy any longer that they want a civil society, when the signs of their hostility to all kinds of government is as in our faces as it is daily?

They are not playing by the same rule book we do with wanting to maintain legal order, procedure or protocol. Or government itself. Anarachy doesn't care about the nuances you cite that liberals believe in.

They want what they want and want it yesterday. We cannot hide from what they are doing any longer. This is a coup by the GOP mixing religion and state. At last report, Netanyahu is doubling down and has not cancelled. He is now clearly saying Obama's negotiations with Iran must be stopped.

I have given my examples of why this plays into GOP hands and not faulting our side, as we followed the rules. This nation is nothing like France, either.

They have come up with the ultimate stealth attack by tacking their ambitions unto Israel, which is at the core of Christian mythos. And those people show up at every election, they don't get caught up in minutae and complaints about Democrats not doing this or that fast enough to suit them, or even do things that are against the law to please them, or can't be done in the framework of the law.

It's a win for the GOP.

DearAbby

(12,461 posts)
38. One should ask which country do they pledge?
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 08:01 PM
Feb 2015

Boehner and Netanyahu insulted the office the President of United States. Its a bit more than your Republican, "Bash Obama-fest" we are used too, they've recruited a world leader to play too. Heck Maybe Netanyahu donated to the RNC mega bucks for this privilege? Screw up peace talks with Iran, Sheldon Adelson has a real boner for a war. He paid for it by Gawd.


We are at the mercy of the whims of old men with money!

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
42. When Obama spoke out against the Citizens United decision by SCOTUS, he warned us of this:
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 09:11 PM
Feb 2015
Think Progress: Foreign-Funded 'U.S.' Chamber of Commerce Running Partisan Attack Ads



The largest attack campaign against Democrats this fall is being waged by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, a trade association organized as a 501(c)(6) that can raise and spend unlimited funds without ever disclosing any of its donors. The Chamber has promised to spend an unprecedented $75 million to defeat candidates like Jack Conway, Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA), Jerry Brown, Rep. Joe Sestak (D-PA), and Rep. Tom Perriello (D-VA). As of Sept. 15th, the Chamber had aired more than 8,000 ads on behalf of GOP Senate candidates alone, according to a study from the Wesleyan Media Project. The Chamber’s spending has dwarfed every other issue group and most political party candidate committee spending. A ThinkProgress investigation has found that the Chamber funds its political attack campaign out of its general account, which solicits foreign funding. And while the Chamber will likely assert it has internal controls, foreign money is fungible, permitting the Chamber to run its unprecedented attack campaign. According to legal experts consulted by ThinkProgress, the Chamber is likely skirting longstanding campaign finance law that bans the involvement of foreign corporations in American elections.

In recent years, the Chamber has become very aggressive with its fundraising, opening offices abroad and helping to found foreign chapters (known as Business Councils or “AmChams”). While many of these foreign operations include American businesses with interests overseas, the Chamber has also spearheaded an effort to raise money from foreign corporations, including ones controlled by foreign governments. These foreign members of the Chamber send money either directly to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, or the foreign members fund their local Chamber, which in turn, transfers dues payments back to the Chamber’s H Street office in Washington DC. These funds are commingled to the Chamber’s 501(c)(6) account which is the vehicle for the attack ads:

– The U.S. Chamber of Commerce has created a large presence in the small, oil-rich country of Bahrain. In 2006, the Chamber created a local affiliate called the “U.S.-Bahrain Business Council” (USBBC), an organization to help businesses in Bahrain take advantage of the Chamber’s “network of government and business relationships in the US and worldwide.” As the USBBC’s bylaws state, it is not an actual separate entity, rather it is simply an office of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce’s 501(c)(6) trade association. Many of the USBBC’s board members are Bahrainian, including Aluminum Bahrain, Gulf Air, Midal Cables, the Nass Group, Bahrain Maritime & Mercantile International, the Bahrain Petroleum Company (state-owned), Gulf Petrochemical Industries Company, and First Leasing Bank. With each of these foreign board members to the USBBC contributing at least $10,000 annually, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce raises well over $100,000 a year in money from foreign businesses through its operation in Bahrain. Notably, the membership form provided by the USBBC directs applicants to send or wire their money directly to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. The membership form also explicitly states that the foreign-owned firms are welcomed.


http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/10/05/121701/foreign-chamber-commerce/

That's just the tip of the iceberg. Foreign interests and oil companies also went after a California law on reducing pollution that even the Governator protested. They didn't win, but are definitely into our government.


 

brush

(61,033 posts)
40. I still don't think that speech will come off.
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 08:33 PM
Feb 2015

Opposition is building in Israel also.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
41. I hope it doesn't... But with Adelson, the Koches and GOP joined at the hip, IDK.
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 09:07 PM
Feb 2015

They've been aggressive since Day One. Obama has ticked off Israel's RW for a long time, so has Kerry. They have violated the rules in regard to many things with the USA and our ideas for settling things there. That is their right legally, but there is that undercover here that will support them. I think all three - Netanyahu, the Koches/ GOP have varied agendas, but for Boehner, this is a defining moment for the RW religionists.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
30. The more they let this go on, even the more information gets out about the politics. There is a
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 07:03 AM
Feb 2015

chance that some evangelicals will see the light.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
37. They may see the light, but they've been taught from birth that Israel is untouchable.
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 05:32 PM
Feb 2015

And that is what they will be voting on in 2016, as many of them voted for what their pastors told them to do in 2012 and 2014. They are afraid of going to Hell and there is nothing rational in that. I wouldn't have a problem with their beliefs if they were not attempting to use the government to enforce them, which they are.

Agony

(2,605 posts)
34. "Christian churches" heck sitting US Senators...
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 08:39 AM
Feb 2015

This statement from my representative is from the issues section on National Security from her website. It doesn't use the word unconditional but it might as well have… "will always stand with" Not just a problem with "Christian Churches".

"Strengthening The U.S./Israel Friendship

Senator Gillibrand will continue to strengthen America’s close relationship with the State of Israel. In both the House of Representatives and the Senate, she has stood with Israel to protect its citizens against terrorist threats, strengthen sanctions against Iran to prevent them from developing nuclear weapons, and support Israel’s continued efforts to bring peace and security to its people. The U.S. and Israel have a strong and historic bond, and Senator Gillibrand continues to advocate for policies that strengthen their deep friendship. In the National Defense Authorization Act, Senator Gillibrand voted to add over $300 million to the budget for Israel missile defense, and will continue to fight to ensure that there is no doubt that the U.S. will always stand with Israel, our historic and closest ally in the Middle East.
"

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
16. Oh ho ho
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 04:45 PM
Feb 2015

Operation Save Face is in full effect. Bibi won't convince many with such an obvious lie, though.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
20. Well, well, well! Pubs turning around and biting one another! How refreshing!
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 05:39 PM
Feb 2015

Let's keep on giving them the finger when they come up with these little traps; it's gratifying to see them dumbfounded and scrambling like this.

It's like many of us have said all along -- push back against these bullies and, more often than not, they'll crumble.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
21. There will be consequences
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 05:42 PM
Feb 2015

With the reaction and flailing around wouldn't it be funny if Netanyahu lost the election?

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
22. GOP has had a ruff week,,,
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 06:05 PM
Feb 2015

in the Media Spin washer,,,,,,, hmmmmm,must be about time for another Snowden story for a little misdirection!

eridani

(51,907 posts)
27. Israeli official blames John Boehner for Netanyahu speech screw-up
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 06:12 AM
Feb 2015

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/02/06/1362786/-Israeli-official-blames-John-Boehner-for-Netanyahu-speech-screw-up


A senior Israeli official suggested on Friday that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had been misled into thinking an invitation to address the U.S. Congress on Iran next month was fully supported by the Democrats. [...]

"It appears that the speaker of Congress made a move, in which we trusted, but which it ultimately became clear was a one sided move and not a move by both sides," Deputy Israeli Foreign Minister Tzachi Hanegbi told 102 FM Tel Aviv Radio on Friday.

Rep. John Boehner's office misleading someone? Say it ain't so.

Acknowledging that Democrats had been "pained" by the invitation, Hanegbi said Netanyahu and Israeli emissaries were making "a huge effort to make clear to them that this is not a move that flouts the president of the United States".

We just agreed to go around the standard protocol for these things because Boehner told us we were throwing a surprise party for the president and we didn't want to spoil the surprise. So ... surprise!

You know, I'm not sure I'd put a lot of faith in the competence of any foreign diplomat that trusts John Boehner not to make them look bad. I'm just saying. It doesn't show a lot of knowledge of the country they're diplomating in.

dmr

(28,705 posts)
31. Demer never told John Kerry when he met with him
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 07:27 AM
Feb 2015

the day before it was announced. That omission speaks volumes.

Yea, I think Bibi has thrown the Speaker under the bus.

I'm convinced, though, that Boehner got all giggly-giddy with the notion of emabarassing/ disrepecting the President; and how it would finally make him look like a strong leader among the nut jobs.

But the masterminds behind the dirty politics is Demer & Bibi, and maybe some GOP operatives lurking in the shadows.

Boehner is just not that creative.

underpants

(196,495 posts)
35. "Obama knew" was a topic of RW articles last week
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 08:47 AM
Feb 2015

Apparently the NY Times changed part of an early story on this and the third string RW press jumped all over it.

 

Ramses

(721 posts)
44. anybody who supports
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 11:00 PM
Feb 2015

Netanyahu, the warmongering, misleading lying asshole, doesn't belong in the Democratic party. This guy is as bad as Dick Cheney.

His crimes against humanity will NEVER be forgotten

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