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Rhinodawg

(2,219 posts)
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 07:55 AM Feb 2015

GO UK !! Two Islamic terrorists back on streets after serving just half their sentences

Two Islamic extremists – one jailed TWICE for terror offences – are back on the streets after serving half their sentences.

Shah Jalal Hussain and Jahanagir Alom are out on licence despite a Tory pledge to end automatic early release for convicted terrorists.

Crimes the pair were involved in included plotting attacks and ­fundraising for terrorism.

Hussain, 32, has said he believes Downing Street is a “legitimate target” for suicide attacks and that he wished he had been a 9/11 bomber.

Alom was caught with two others who were plotting an attack on Wootton Bassett where dead soldiers were repatriated from Afghanistan.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/two-islamic-terrorists-back-streets-5124123




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GO UK !! Two Islamic terrorists back on streets after serving just half their sentences (Original Post) Rhinodawg Feb 2015 OP
Another load of bad ideas. Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #1
Another load of Islamophobia pinboy3niner Feb 2015 #2
+1000 marmar Feb 2015 #3
That track suit is fucking scary, maybe he is running to a no go zone to do Muslimy things? Oh, no! Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #12
More hatred than phobia. hobbit709 Feb 2015 #5
So you feel like these two men are innocent and should be released? nt el_bryanto Feb 2015 #13
So, you know the criminal and parole laws of Great Britain , the entire case and are here to be the Judge? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #15
Good response - but not really an answer to my question, so I'm going to ignore it. nt el_bryanto Feb 2015 #19
Good plan. Logically thinking is nothing you want to mess with. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #22
Yes, obviously my reply means I must want them to babysit my children pinboy3niner Feb 2015 #20
Good one. When caught with your logical pants down....one must flee... Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #23
The original article suggests that they were let go prematurely el_bryanto Feb 2015 #25
What the article "suggests" is that they were released in accordance with law. nt pinboy3niner Feb 2015 #37
But the photos suggest scary brown Muslims released due to outrageous foreign laws. That is all Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #38
Oh my, oh my. Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #45
Another single person on the TV is not convincing to anyone. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #47
From the threadstarter, should any of us be surprised? closeupready Feb 2015 #50
Yes...I have an interest in terrorism. Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #53
Nah uh. Don't play dumb. "GO UK !!" You knew EXACTLY what you were doing. closeupready Feb 2015 #55
Yes...its called "making fun of" Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #57
Yes, that was really cheap... pinboy3niner Feb 2015 #56
Islamophobic Underground mwrguy Feb 2015 #4
Some folks at DU do not like history or being not scared. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #11
Bigotry against Muslims is pretty widespread here. If these posts were aimed at other minorities, Chathamization Feb 2015 #44
Sickening to me, but not sickening enough to ban or take to jury.....majority rules? I hope not. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #48
Well, I think it diminishes partially the legitimacy which the administrators of this site closeupready Feb 2015 #52
This. Thanks. I'm going to remember that one. closeupready Feb 2015 #51
Bush, Cheney, Blair, Bibi and many others malaise Feb 2015 #6
I give you one virtual heart. Sorry, tapped out my cards for my real world hearts. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #29
Then they should be tried and convicted of something. Calista241 Feb 2015 #33
So because of that leftynyc Feb 2015 #39
They didn't "go free." pinboy3niner Feb 2015 #42
Then they are free leftynyc Feb 2015 #43
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! malaise Feb 2015 #49
LOL. linuxman Feb 2015 #7
+1 nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #28
More and more, it's Alice in Wonderland on here. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2015 #59
One wishes he had been a 9/11 bomber leftynyc Feb 2015 #8
As Linuxman noted above, some responses here are ridiculous. These two folks should be in prison stevenleser Feb 2015 #30
Exactly. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2015 #58
I suspect the response is to do with *who* posted the OP rather than what it's about... Violet_Crumble Feb 2015 #61
Wonder if a jail term does anything but put off the inevitable treestar Feb 2015 #9
Really? Put off the inevitable? Because Muslims are all going to do "the inevitable"? Just WOW. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #14
No, because THESE PERSONS were in prison for plotting and... JHB Feb 2015 #16
The critical factor is respecting another countries laws, and it is all about their religion, no? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #17
No. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #31
No, it's all about them being terrorists who want to do GGJohn Feb 2015 #34
A polite no. Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #46
I was talking about them, who were specifically convicted for terrorist acts treestar Feb 2015 #21
They were released according to rule of law. I am merely defending the rule of law, as my President Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #24
From whom? treestar Feb 2015 #26
That is my point. I think maybe the UK law needs amending also, release at half the jail sentence? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #27
Oh spare me the bullshit leftynyc Feb 2015 #40
Muslims with beards in mugshots are SCARY! Better get out your blankees! I is scared........ Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #10
Too Bad, So Sad alcibiades_mystery Feb 2015 #18
The Master Plan seems to have been rejected soundly by France and Germany, for sure. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #32
How's that Islamophobia thing wrking out for you? 99Forever Feb 2015 #35
I think he left to get better legal advice? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #36
At this moment, 52 replies and 0 recs? Not working out methinks. closeupready Feb 2015 #54
Working well for them RandiFan1290 Feb 2015 #60
Flashback to the Kouachi brothers and Coulibaly in the French massacres riderinthestorm Feb 2015 #41

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
12. That track suit is fucking scary, maybe he is running to a no go zone to do Muslimy things? Oh, no!
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 09:23 AM
Feb 2015

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
15. So, you know the criminal and parole laws of Great Britain , the entire case and are here to be the Judge?
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 09:30 AM
Feb 2015

Did you miss the part where they were released from prison...where everyone is innocent, of course.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
25. The original article suggests that they were let go prematurely
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 09:40 AM
Feb 2015

The first respondent agreed with that - and you suggested that Islamophobia was the culprit - on what do you base that assertion?

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
38. But the photos suggest scary brown Muslims released due to outrageous foreign laws. That is all
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 10:17 AM
Feb 2015

some folk need to press the Outrage button and Panic button simultaneously, and head for the Safe Room.

Pity the folk that are so easily fearful and so easily manipulated.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
50. From the threadstarter, should any of us be surprised?
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 08:19 PM
Feb 2015

If so, then I guess you can color me some shade of jade.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
56. Yes, that was really cheap...
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 08:33 PM
Feb 2015

...after all the OPs you've posted that paint Christians, and Jews, in a negative light. Your posts are obviously always fair and balanced, without any bias or hateful agenda to push.

Chathamization

(1,638 posts)
44. Bigotry against Muslims is pretty widespread here. If these posts were aimed at other minorities,
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 12:01 PM
Feb 2015

they'd fight right in with the garbage you see at the New Republic. Posters talking about how X minority group is inherently dangerous, posters saying that because liberals don't want to offend people they turn a blind eye to the horrible things X minority group does, posters who post topic after topic about criminals from X minority group (but not about the many, many more white criminals) - complete with big scary pictures of the minority (but hey, the Willie Horton ad was merely informative and not race-baiting, right?), posters outraged that criminals from X minority group were released early, etc.

You'd get banned here for treating any other minority group this way, but for some reason it's been decided that bigotry against Muslims is fine. And it's sickening.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
52. Well, I think it diminishes partially the legitimacy which the administrators of this site
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 08:23 PM
Feb 2015

may try to claim with regard to being 'fair' in matters relating to bigotry against muslims.

Granted, this is a VERY niche discussion board with a dedicated few loyalists, but still, legitimacy starts SOMEWHERE, on big sites or small ones. I guess they don't care, perhaps they agree with the Islamophobia, who knows? I don't think they've ever opined about it - it simply is allowed to stand.

So you just have to account for that on your own terms, and either move on or stay but know what you are up against here.

Peace.

malaise

(267,821 posts)
6. Bush, Cheney, Blair, Bibi and many others
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 08:54 AM
Feb 2015

are also still on the streets - they haven't even served one hour in prison and they are the among the worst terrorists on the planet

Calista241

(5,584 posts)
33. Then they should be tried and convicted of something.
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 09:54 AM
Feb 2015

These guys were actually convicted by a court of breaking the law.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
39. So because of that
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 10:40 AM
Feb 2015

these convicted criminals should go free? I cannot believe what I'm seeing on this thread. Where are all of you going to be when these convicted criminals are AGAIN part of some terrorist act?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
43. Then they are free
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 11:31 AM
Feb 2015

to further do what they were doing before - planning terrorist acts and fundraising for terrorists. Lovely.

 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
7. LOL.
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 08:57 AM
Feb 2015

This place is a riot sometimes.

Terrorists get early release from prison and the the first responses are rushing to shame the OP/the authorities for alleged "Islamaphobia".

Would any of the posters referenced above care to break down what exactly is "Islamaphobic" about this?

I'm sure they learned their lessons...





Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
59. More and more, it's Alice in Wonderland on here.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 10:02 PM
Feb 2015

Sure, let's follow the UK's example and let the terrorists we're holding go free too. Better yet, let's invite them all for tea at the White House. If we don't, we're just obviously Islamophobic.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
30. As Linuxman noted above, some responses here are ridiculous. These two folks should be in prison
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 09:51 AM
Feb 2015

for life. They are actual terrorists. It's not Islamophobic, or phobic against whatever country they are from to say so.

Prejudice means you hate someone based on generalities about a large group where you have no specific actions about the individual person to which you can point. There are specific issues with these two people.

Some folks here have lost their minds.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
58. Exactly.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 09:49 PM
Feb 2015

Some have also lost their credibility, with me at any rate.

Those with axes to grind used to at least SEEM to make some sense, now that isn't even necessary Was there an "invasion of the body snatchers" that I missed?

Violet_Crumble

(35,954 posts)
61. I suspect the response is to do with *who* posted the OP rather than what it's about...
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 07:49 AM
Feb 2015

I agree with the first two paragraphs of what you said, though.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
9. Wonder if a jail term does anything but put off the inevitable
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 09:00 AM
Feb 2015

Unless jail somehow changes their attitude, it doesn't seem like it would help. One who wishes he was a 911 hijacker is willing to do a suicide attack.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
14. Really? Put off the inevitable? Because Muslims are all going to do "the inevitable"? Just WOW.
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 09:24 AM
Feb 2015

Please look up the definition of Islamaphobia.

These men were released by Rule of Law. In another country. Do you know their criminal and parole laws? Might want to look that up also.

JHB

(37,131 posts)
16. No, because THESE PERSONS were in prison for plotting and...
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 09:31 AM
Feb 2015

...supporting violent terrorist acts. Unless their views have changed, why would they not go back to doing the same now that they are free to do so?

The critical factor is their radicalism, not their religion.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
34. No, it's all about them being terrorists who want to do
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 10:04 AM
Feb 2015

great harm to Britain.
Would you want these 2 living in your neighborhood?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
21. I was talking about them, who were specifically convicted for terrorist acts
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 09:36 AM
Feb 2015

Your statement is extremely unfair. I have to see these two guys as the same as peaceful Muslims. You're the one equating all Muslims.

Where did I challenge their laws? I did not say they should not release them. I wondered if jail does them any good.

Your response is illogical, unfair, and mischaracterizes what I said. What are your motives for doing that? You surely are intelligent enough to have done it on purpose.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
24. They were released according to rule of law. I am merely defending the rule of law, as my President
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 09:39 AM
Feb 2015

instructs me, it is a matter of principal and easy to remember in all situations.

From convicts, to politicians, to Cosby, to the eventually acquitted and the purely innocent, I will defend the rule of law over the rule of media or comment boards. The issue is the process, not the personalities. If you object to the process, then get it fixed, criticize the process, tell the process to duck off, tell the process it stinks, tell us the solution to the stinky process, but attacking the personalities is just being lazy. Present company exempted.

No offence, but I am passionate about respecting the rule of law in the country that invented it and which Justice system America adopted based on the bedrock rule of law.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
26. From whom?
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 09:40 AM
Feb 2015

Nobody in the thread even mentioned complaining about UK law. We realized the reality that they were released under that law.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
27. That is my point. I think maybe the UK law needs amending also, release at half the jail sentence?
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 09:46 AM
Feb 2015

I would like to talk about that, because having read the background of the case briefly, maybe they should have served more time.

But the process is the process, let it work out. It is the process of the nation that brought the world the jury system.

Or change it. Provide a solution, like Obama provided a solution in his wonderful Religion Speech - secularism and humility.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
40. Oh spare me the bullshit
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 10:43 AM
Feb 2015

These two are CONVICTED CRIMANALS. One has already said he wished he were one of the 9/11 hijackers. Got that? Wishes he were one who killed thousands of Americans. And you try and make this about ALL Muslims. You're beneath contempt for trying to claim other DUers are Islamophobes for being outraged these convicted animals are back on the streets.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
18. Too Bad, So Sad
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 09:33 AM
Feb 2015

You're free to try to become a British subject and change the law.

Indeed, that can be your first step in your Master Plan of liquidating the European Muslims.

Good luck to you, Rhinodawg. You can do it!



Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
32. The Master Plan seems to have been rejected soundly by France and Germany, for sure.
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 09:53 AM
Feb 2015

The UK is also not near as Islamaphobic as America, and neither is all of the EU, but the mass media in America makes it out to be far worse than it is, even in America, by giving massive coverage of every Islamaphobic asshole and buring actual Muslim voices of peace and condemnation of evil, and thereby vastly misrepresenting the vast number of voices that speak peace.

The very concept of American Islamaphobia is a another mass media psychops construct.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
41. Flashback to the Kouachi brothers and Coulibaly in the French massacres
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 10:55 AM
Feb 2015


Cherif Kouachi and Amedy Coulibaly were both ex-cons who did time for jihadi related offenses.

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