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redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 01:43 PM Feb 2015

This country has become so angry.

This morning I saw two people in their 50's almost get into a fist fight at breakfast in a small mom and pop restaurant. The topic, the death of 3 Muslim students in North Carolina. I did not hear all of it, but what I heard was Fox talking points, some from Rush and the other man trying to speak about how not all Muslim's are violent crazy people, any more than thinking all Christians burn abortion clinics and kill doctors. It did not take long for dishes to hit the floor and a couple of other men close by came in to calm the situation down.

It seems like all of us are on the edge all the time. Financial pressure, the way the world is at this moment when fueled by tv and radio nuts on both sides keep this country and others a spark away from explosion.

We have a violent past as a nation, the way African Americans were lynched and burned leading up to the civil rights movement, and since. The way Native Americans were treated and are treated. Violent reaction to things we don't like is not limited to Muslim countries.

These two men, looked like my Dad at that age, just normal guys out for breakfast. What a mess.

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This country has become so angry. (Original Post) redstatebluegirl Feb 2015 OP
Financial pressures are affecting more people Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #1
What is making folks fearful, then angry, is the fucking doom and gloom fear obssessed mass media. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #23
So true. While much of the news is bad, it's presented in a fearful fashion. mountain grammy Feb 2015 #29
It is the military music and war imagery and endless loops of scary Muslims....what else did they expect? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #30
You are so right. There is a right leaning talk show on late in my area. And his topic always GoneFishin Feb 2015 #50
The Corporate New Media created by Rupert Murdoch, which everyone else has copied. nt madinmaryland Feb 2015 #46
Reduce the resources available to a population hifiguy Feb 2015 #48
WHODOYOUTHINKYOUARETELLINGMEI'MANGRY!!!1!1111!!??? mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2015 #2
Astute observation. closeupready Feb 2015 #3
Perhaps due to NOTHING ever changing, due to being stuck in two party system run by corporations?? TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #4
And the corporatists PROFIT from fostering this hate and division in the electorate... cascadiance Feb 2015 #14
We have been getting hate education since before the 80s starting with Jerry Falwell and his ilk. jwirr Feb 2015 #5
5th rec - We're definitely on the edge of something. leveymg Feb 2015 #6
'Everyone' is angry Newsjock Feb 2015 #7
The scary question is what are we waiting for to explode. el_bryanto Feb 2015 #8
So you can imagine how cray-cray it is in Florida, Baitball Blogger Feb 2015 #9
Angry people don't think well n2doc Feb 2015 #10
"Anger makes you stupid..." alterfurz Feb 2015 #11
Fear and emotion. Which party stokes the and benefits from them? Got to admit they are good at it. pampango Feb 2015 #12
I've been saying that the right wing has 'weaponized' hatred! LongTomH Feb 2015 #13
+1000 kairos12 Feb 2015 #25
I've lost two LONG TIIME friends because of the bad economy. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2015 #15
you didn't start recording and scream out "World Star!" snooper2 Feb 2015 #16
glad to hear the one guy was defending Muslims Enrique Feb 2015 #17
Anger wrought by oligarchs. nt valerief Feb 2015 #18
And their bought and sold mass media. And Fox. I am angry too, ever hear of it? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #24
and it should be directed at them in the worst way. BobbyBoring Feb 2015 #27
Well, there's always been anger at one time or another Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #19
No, we've always been that angry. jeff47 Feb 2015 #20
Even if, that anger is being focused on a certain group, no? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #31
It's always focused on a certain group. jeff47 Feb 2015 #33
Not to be cute about it, but you are not making your point clearly. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #38
It may be a hate crime. My point is hate crimes are not unusual in our history. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2015 #39
Now I understand completely, thanks. So let it be investigated as one, right? History can guide us. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #41
Hope you are prepared for when the RW loses it. ChosenUnWisely Feb 2015 #21
Prepared as in unsurprised? nt haikugal Feb 2015 #44
Good observations. K n R nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #22
Sad samplegirl Feb 2015 #26
fuxx gnewz should be bombed out of existence as the seditious pile of bullshit it is. pansypoo53219 Feb 2015 #28
Death by FCC for FOX, where is my pen? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #32
They're squeezing us until we pop Warpy Feb 2015 #34
And that's exactly how TPTB like it. cui bono Feb 2015 #35
IMHO, this country has always been angry. NOLALady Feb 2015 #36
distressing Skittles Feb 2015 #49
Quite often, anger, hatred and their concomitant passions are far more easily seen LanternWaste Feb 2015 #37
But,...I just heard Obama say the state of the union is strong! Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #40
And I believe every word a politician says! bigwillq Feb 2015 #43
It looks like some have reversed the Golden Rule. lpbk2713 Feb 2015 #42
First rule of the neo-con... nt haikugal Feb 2015 #45
"both sides?" xfundy Feb 2015 #47
Uh, did you live through the Bush presidency? realFedUp Feb 2015 #51
 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
1. Financial pressures are affecting more people
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 01:45 PM
Feb 2015

and making them angrier as they look for a cause for their misery.

Our news sources are all fear, all the time, with very little real information.

And now John Stewart is gone.

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
29. So true. While much of the news is bad, it's presented in a fearful fashion.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 04:50 PM
Feb 2015

I don't know how to explain it, but I can listen to Bill Moyers give the same story as, say, Scott Pelley (and he's one of the not so bad ones) and from Bill I understand the facts and what's going on behind the facts in a rational manner. From Pelley, I hear the story, a few facts, little or no background, and it's fearbola time.

I know they do different kinds of shows, I get that. But I grew up with Walter Cronkite news shows that asked hard questions and demanded answers.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
30. It is the military music and war imagery and endless loops of scary Muslims....what else did they expect?
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 04:52 PM
Feb 2015

And the murderer had been stalking them with a gun:

Father of Razan, 19, also killed with one bullet to the head...no words for my hate of the American media and their fearmongering, Fox I can not even say how I feel. Now all they want to cover is more war talk...while Americans are being slaughtered the same day due to their criminal negligence and complicity.

"This was not a dispute over a parking space; this was a hate crime. This man had picked on my daughter and her husband a couple of times before, and he talked with them with his gun in his belt. And they were uncomfortable with him, but they did not know he would go this far."

The victims are newlyweds Deah Shaddy Barakat, 23, a University of North Carolina dental student, and his wife Yusor Mohammad, 21, and Yusor's sister, Razan Mohammad Abu-Salha, 19.All were involved in humanitarian aid programs.

Looks like CNN will give the story a few minutes after more War And Terror Talk.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
50. You are so right. There is a right leaning talk show on late in my area. And his topic always
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 10:34 PM
Feb 2015

accentuates violence by Arab and Muslim groups. The bumper music for his show at commercial breaks is dark, scary, ominous music. It is nauseating and transparent that his goal is to demonize these groups, and fuel right-wing paranoia.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
48. Reduce the resources available to a population
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 07:55 PM
Feb 2015

be it people or rats, and they start to turn on each other. This has been the New Fascist/tenth-percenter plan all along. And it is working better each day, as it has throughout history. The only winners are the New Fascists and tenth-percenters.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
14. And the corporatists PROFIT from fostering this hate and division in the electorate...
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 02:50 PM
Feb 2015

... by encouraging division amongst the populace that they hurt more with their upwards wealth redistribution policies. If we didn't have that division being created, the masses would be more prone to unite against their true oppressors and get rid of the corporatists that are screwing everyone.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
5. We have been getting hate education since before the 80s starting with Jerry Falwell and his ilk.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 02:02 PM
Feb 2015

And it is still going on.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
6. 5th rec - We're definitely on the edge of something.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 02:03 PM
Feb 2015

Looks like another boots on the ground war in the Mideast/Persian Gulf.

Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
7. 'Everyone' is angry
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 02:04 PM
Feb 2015

The 1%ers (OK, maybe the 5%ers) know they've won the war, and they're angry at all the little people who keep getting in their way.

At the bottom of the economic ladder, they know they've lost the war, and they're angry at the rich people who keep finding new ways to screw them over ... and at a system that makes meaningful change next to impossible.

And in the middle, they're angry because they know they're losing the war and there doesn't appear to be much they can do about it.

It's a powder keg, ready to explode at even the slightest provocation, real or perceived.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
8. The scary question is what are we waiting for to explode.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 02:06 PM
Feb 2015

I really don't know - I try to be optimistic, and I think we've been through worse times than this as a nation and a world; but if people believe theirs no hope and are being subjected to these enormous pressures, something has to give.

Bryant

Baitball Blogger

(46,684 posts)
9. So you can imagine how cray-cray it is in Florida,
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 02:07 PM
Feb 2015

where many of these older guys come to live after they retire. The only difference is, the further you get out from the city hub, the harder it will be to find someone who will stand up for the Muslims.

alterfurz

(2,469 posts)
11. "Anger makes you stupid..."
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 02:19 PM
Feb 2015

...and
"Stupidity is the same as evil if you judge by the results." — Margaret Atwood

pampango

(24,692 posts)
12. Fear and emotion. Which party stokes the and benefits from them? Got to admit they are good at it.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 02:27 PM
Feb 2015

Whether the fear and emotion is directed at Muslims, immigrants, African Americans, foreigners (Russians, Chinese, Mexicans, etc.), gays, etc., it serves to keep people reacting rather than thinking.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
13. I've been saying that the right wing has 'weaponized' hatred!
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 02:42 PM
Feb 2015

It's part of the program since the Powell Memo: Rightwing think tanks, Reagan, Newt (Both Reagan and Newt played a part in making 'Liberal' a hate word!), the rise of Fox News and hate radio/TV (Rush, Beckerhead, et al).

The one hopeful thing in all this is that young people are turning off the hate mongers, and they don't really remember Ronnie.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
15. I've lost two LONG TIIME friends because of the bad economy.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 02:50 PM
Feb 2015

Two people I had been friends with for forty years or more, I had to stop speaking to them because they kept borrowing money and not paying it back. I just got more depressed and decided I had to cut them off. The economy is not my fault.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
17. glad to hear the one guy was defending Muslims
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 02:56 PM
Feb 2015

I have to give Obama a lot of credit for what he said recently. Much easier to pander to the haters. And I hate to say it, but Bush deserves some credit too. I still hear RWers grouse about how Bush said Islam is a religion of peace.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
19. Well, there's always been anger at one time or another
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 03:11 PM
Feb 2015

the deeper issue is why in our collective mindset do we as Americans believe bullets are a preferred solution to solving previously non-violent problem...

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
20. No, we've always been that angry.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 03:49 PM
Feb 2015

The Southern realignment created a temporary window of bipartisanship. That window is now closed, and we've returned to how we have always been.

You have to remember there was multiple shootings and beatings among our federal politicians. Not to mention a civil war.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
33. It's always focused on a certain group.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 05:12 PM
Feb 2015

Those shootings and beatings (and civil war) were based on differences of opinions about certain groups and how they should be treated.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
38. Not to be cute about it, but you are not making your point clearly.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 05:27 PM
Feb 2015

Do you agree these three murders, the ones today, may well be a hate crime?

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
41. Now I understand completely, thanks. So let it be investigated as one, right? History can guide us.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 05:33 PM
Feb 2015
 

ChosenUnWisely

(588 posts)
21. Hope you are prepared for when the RW loses it.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 04:00 PM
Feb 2015

Those who are not prepared will be in for a real surprise when reality smacks them in the face.

samplegirl

(11,464 posts)
26. Sad
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 04:44 PM
Feb 2015

I would be willing to bet that Fox news was on the restaurant t.v. I wish most à restaurants and offices would just leave news turned off.

pansypoo53219

(20,955 posts)
28. fuxx gnewz should be bombed out of existence as the seditious pile of bullshit it is.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 04:48 PM
Feb 2015

death by FCC. bring back the fairness doctrine.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
35. And that's exactly how TPTB like it.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 05:18 PM
Feb 2015

Keep us fighting amongst ourselves. That's why politics as a team sport is played up so much in the media. Us vs Them mentality abounds.

NOLALady

(4,003 posts)
36. IMHO, this country has always been angry.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 05:20 PM
Feb 2015

I have not known a time in my lifetime when rage was not directed at people with heritage similar to mine.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
37. Quite often, anger, hatred and their concomitant passions are far more easily seen
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 05:26 PM
Feb 2015

Quite often, anger, hatred and their excited and animated passions are far more easily seen than the quiet kindnesses and humble loves which (I believe) surrounds us all so completely.

Much like the man with the megaphone, anger is heard as a particular, while kindness is seen little more than a window is seen-- yet I believe that kindness far, far outweighs hatred in our daily lives.

lpbk2713

(42,740 posts)
42. It looks like some have reversed the Golden Rule.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 05:34 PM
Feb 2015



They seem to think "do unto others before they do unto you".

xfundy

(5,105 posts)
47. "both sides?"
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 07:38 PM
Feb 2015

I can think of a few "liberal" voices on tv and radio. Actually I can think of only a couple, none of which get the airtime Focks Noise gets, plus "religious" broadcasters, all of whom look for something to get outraged about and blame on "libruls."

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