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Let's say I ask a question -
"Where's the cat?"
Useful responses would consist of something like:
"The cat is over there"
"There is no cat and there never has been a cat, the cat has always been a figment of your imagination"
"I don't know where the cat is"
"It's not a cat, it's a dog"
"It would be great if we could find the cat, but we really need to talk about the hot-dog stand"
"I have found the cat"
"Ok I'll help you find the cat"
"Here's what we do in order to find the cat"
"Don't worry, the cat is fine"
"I'm sorry to say that the cat is dead"
"The cat is sitting on your head"
("I don't regard finding the cat as a priority") - EDIT - Donald Ian Rankin has pointed out that this should be different, so, instead: "The cat isn't the priority". So there you go! Even I fuck this up sometimes!
Useless responses would consist of things like this:
"You're obsessed with cats"
"Why should I care about the cat?"
"People who like cats are stupid"
" "
"What makes you think anyone here cares about the cat"
"You keep going on and on about cats"
"You want a pony"
"Why do people keep blathering on about cats"
"Why can't these Cat Derangement Syndrome people fuck off"
"Why do you hate dogs"
""
"So I guess you want Jeb Bush for President"
EDIT: AND THIS:
"When you say 'Where's the cat' do you realise that you are pre-supposing that the people you are talking to actually have any information about the cat? You don't seem to have considered the possibility that those on the receiving end of your concern may not have any direct involvement with the cat or any knowledge of it's whereabouts. You do realise that the word 'where' implies a location, well who's to say that the cat's location is actually useful to know? And even if it is useful to know, why would anyone feel comfortable in discussing their knowledge of the cat's location with you? I think you're making a number of ill-considered assumptions about not only the cat itself, but any who may put serious consideration into answering your question. You do realise that it was a question? That means you're putting pressure on people to answer it. Some people don't feel comfortable answering questions. And have you actually established that the cat wishes it's whereabouts to be known? I'm not sure we can assume that. You do realise that that's an assumption? And do you realise that many cats have a tendency to go out and be away from home, sometimes for extended periods? And do you realise that there may be a relationship between the cat and those whom you are aggressively interrogating which may not be any of your concern? Do you realise that? You do realise that, don't you? Don't you realise that? Please consider deleting."
So, DU, what distinguishes list 1 from list 2?
"We don't know, sibelian! TELL US. WE ARE BIG-EYED AND ENRAPTURED BY YOUR INFINITE WISDOM."
Well, it's like this.
The responses in list 1, even though in certain cases they thwart the aims of the person asking where the cat is, retain the mysterious and hypothetical cat as the subject of the communication.
The responses in the second list do not. The second list consists of people talking indirectly about the person asking the question, which is a waste of time.
And what this means, darlings, is that the person doing the responding in list 2 has no real interest in what was said and is simply stuffing the Universe with junk.
It is emo-spam.
Delete the offenders from your life. Press "ignore".
Alternatively, if you're like me, use them as a lightning conductor for pent-up working life frustrations and be FIFTY TIMES AS RUDE in return. Whyever not? It's not like they care.
Cheers, petals!
Gidney N Cloyd
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Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)That is my response that I think people find both useless and annoying.
I'll work on it.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)say she WON'T run.
Draft Kitty!
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)mother earth
(6,002 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)Please accept this token of our esteem:
Dry clean only, non-refundable, terms and conditions apply.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Calm down, merrily.
Okay, here goes:
I want to thank my parents and my grandparents, my extended family, my husband and my kids, my agent, all the other people who were in contention in this category with me--love you guys--and I don't understand how I'm the, one who got the award--but I'm keeping (unless Kanye grabs it out of my grip), my agent, all the guys at Lucasfilms. Oh, geez, I know I'm going to forget someone. I should have prepared, but I never expected to win. There's no honor like the one you get from your peers. Who else? The camera and lighting guys, of course, wardrobe, the grips, the gofers, my staff of personal assistants, my stylist, hair and makeup, my babysitter, without whom I absolutely could not have been here tonigh....
Wait-stop playing that music. No really, stop. (Do you have any idea who I am?) Stop, I'm not finis
calimary
(81,099 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)I also know some people are shit-scared the cat might change her mind. Frantic and frequently repeated "the cat isn't running!" and "the cat has no chance!" assertions are a dead giveaway.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)"Why should I care about the cat?"
"People who like cats are stupid"
" "
"What makes you think anyone here cares about the cat"
"You keep going on and on about cats"
"You want a pony"
"Why do people keep blathering on about cats"
"Why can't these Cat Derangement Syndrome people fuck off"
"Why do you hate dogs"
marble falls
(56,998 posts)Leith
(7,808 posts)I'll never meet her in real life, but she told me in that one short sentence that she is practical and has her priorities straight.
Just like sibelian's cat.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)imagine if you could press the CTRL key and click on half the threads on the page and they would all disappear at once.
Ignoring them one by one takes almost as much time as reading them.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Easier and quicker to just scroll on past.
I call it manual ignore, and use it frequently.
Confession: I didn't even read past the first paragraph of the OP. How's that for efficient.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)particularly fond of cats.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)I will go so far as to RESPECT your dislike of cats.
Would you accept an owl as a token of my esteem?
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)TBF
(32,003 posts)but I do like your dog photo
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)We've had quite a few of them hanging around lately, all of them rah rah rah-ing the security state (as usual) and pounding the drums of war.
Read that link. Every single one of them use those exact same tactics. It's hilarious how easy it is to spot them.
Here's another set of tactics they love:
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/11/the-15-rules-of-web-disruption-2/
Once you realize what they are doing, though, it's easy to thwart them.
I read another one about conservative rules for disruption. The number one rule is to wear you out by making you waste a bunch of time digging up links and making long drawn out posts, while they just hit back with one liners and veiled insults.
That's what the poster I referred to above did to me today, but I already knew it was going to happen and goaded him, then shut him down with pre-prepared information. Haven't heard back
aikoaiko
(34,162 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)Because I AM IN FACT the subject of the OP, as it is a list of things that I, which is say ME PERSONALLY find annoying.
So there. Ner.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)I'm wasting my time by reading their insignificant postings.
Faux pas
(14,644 posts)they can really suck on the interwebs. Being anonymous gives people (who suck) a false sense of power. The cat is out chasing butterflies.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I mean really, what kind of person puts curlers on a dog?
Hee hee ..
I seriously love your working out frustration. I just hope I'm never on the receiving end of it.
Great post. Excellent points.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)As you can probably guess, I have lost all patience with them.
marym625
(17,997 posts)You're welcome
Did you find the cat?
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Our youngest one is sleeping next to me right now, and our big fat guy is snoozing on the other end of the sofa. Oh, the dog is up here too. They all get along great, except when the young cat harasses the older one past his tolerance point.
betsuni
(25,376 posts)Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)"I don't regard finding the cat as a priority"
and
"Why should I care about the cat?"
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)attributes something to the cat, whereas the second sentence attributes something to the respondent.
The first and second sentences have different subjects. "Cat" and "I".
Also, one could recognise something as having priority but still not care about it. Both sentences describe very similar perspectives that aren't quite the same.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)If I recall my GCSE grammar correctly - and I may well not do, in which case this will be embarrassing - in the first sentence, the subject of "I do not regard finding the cat as a priority" is "I"; "finding the cat" is the object.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Well, now that you've said that.... technically....hm.
I suppose I'm confusing it with the sentence "The cat isn't the priority".
OK, I'll give you it. EDIT.
ileus
(15,396 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)Gold star for you, hifiguy.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)bluesbassman
(19,360 posts)Damn things are everywhere.
libodem
(19,288 posts)Thanks for posting it.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Give yourself the same benefit of a doubt you'd give anyone else. It's only fair.[/center][/font][hr]
mimi85
(1,805 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,360 posts)But I like that.
iscooterliberally
(2,859 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)OK, I love you.
C Moon
(12,208 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)I bet you didn't know that!
But yep its in that hat, so how do you like that?
Why is the Cat in the Hat?
Because its better than wearing a bat...
sheesh i give up.. I am no Dr. Seuss
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)We are free to participate or not.
Of course this post was a waste of time
merrily
(45,251 posts)Why post that?
merrily
(45,251 posts)that clearer.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)now name that game
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Not as if the person replying has any care about what you type, they just want to concern troll the shit out of your post.
olddots
(10,237 posts)So there neener.neener.neener !
merrily
(45,251 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)You're an anti-Hamster-ite.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Some of my best friends are hamsters. I may not agree with their lifestyle but I would never judge them, lest I also be judged. I am ABOVE anti-hamsterites, (and slightly above hamsters at the same time).
Tyrs WolfDaemon
(2,289 posts)Can my eyes return to normal now?
My migraines are bad enough as is and the extra light I get when "BIG-EYED AND ENRAPTURED BY YOUR INFINITE WISDOM" is making my head hurt more. -->
For the moment I will go back to having my eyes almost completely closed, but if you need me to get 'BIG-EYED', I will consider your request.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)RIGHT, then LEFT, and so on. This should preserve your sense of wonder in at least one of your brain's hemispheres at any given instant.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)I hate also MYSELF.
Kaleva
(36,246 posts)Not saying you do this.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)It cannot be denied...
Skittles
(153,111 posts)YOU KNOW I WOULD DO THAT FOR YOU MY SWEET
Kick asses! And other parts of people's anatomies!!! I LOVE YOU
tavernier
(12,368 posts)of the screen to the point where
Every
sentence
is
just
one
angry
word.
And usually they are so far off topic that you have to wonder if they are Dr. Seuss characters, just digging in.
Makes me laugh every time.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)and thanks for the laugh!
I'm often intrigued by the OP but lose interest by the time I have to scroll through all of these personal vendettas. Geesh.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)Those that analyze and pick apart the method of presenting the subject with a fine-toothed logical comb (i.e., the "logical fallacy" technique) while continuing to ignore the subject.
How does one ignore the 800 lb. cat in the room
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Asserting contradictions to each individual step instead of addressing the main thrust.
EDITING.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)Any time the "logical fallacy" trope pops up, I stop reading, unless they are being critical of that trope.
And while I've never studied psychology, it does make me wonder why someone would go to all that trouble to tear apart a post, when it's obvious that they were indeed intelligent enough to understand the point to begin with. Doesn't it take less effort to just address the point?
I guess that's not the point
sibelian
(7,804 posts)or rather the appearance of logical fallacies is sufficient to disprove the point itself, even when the fallacy supposedly uncovered doesn't actually weaken the central point. This phenomenon is particularly rife in criticisms of texts that actually DON'T consist of a series of co-dependent points placed to support the thesis but is formed from a central theme and includes peripheral observations to give the thesis context.
I agree with you entirely. It's utterly maddening.
Response to sibelian (Original post)
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sibelian
(7,804 posts)I think I must have missed it.
Response to sibelian (Reply #65)
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merrily
(45,251 posts)I hope it's true, but I don't even care if it is or not. I just enjoy it.
Wish brentspeak would post a lot more.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)Not seeing much in the #30s or #40s...
In their absence, it actually looks like a very easy going and pleasant conversation!
I have good taste, I'll assume.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)It's awesome in its cruel hilarity.
Rex
(65,616 posts)With all the Clapper brouhaha. Now just a boring algorithm of random quotes. I guess that is why you earn the big hearts, you are always kind to those of lesser stature Manny.
Kudos.
P.S. Please stop getting so many hearts, it has a few very concerned trolls up in hairy green arms. Stop the large rec numbers too, just you know to keep the peace and all that.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)SERIOUSLY?
Rex
(65,616 posts)IKR!? I can't really believe it either, but there is a thread dedicated to the subject.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Possibly I CAN'T see it. I've never heard anything so utterly pathetic in my life.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Getting mad, because someone has too many hearts! Which just about sums up their entire existence on DU.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)The level of emotional engagement is frankly unsettling.
It is not healthy.
madokie
(51,076 posts)bullies
sibelian
(7,804 posts)i.e. the clever ones that feign genuine interest in the point only to spend your attention on fatuous junk. The rest of them are just complete fuckwits.
madokie
(51,076 posts)Puglover
(16,380 posts)You know, the ones that can't help but to drop in, announce they are ignoring the thread and then drop a little bit of snide snark.
Too funny.
But yeah, they're ignoring it.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)I wonder what might have motivated them to do so? I do hope they're enjoying themselves and fulfilling lives and stuff.
Well, let's hope things are nice for them. I BLESS them.
BLESS YOU, MY CHICKENS.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)The OP is essentially a "snide remark."
Just struck me as another one of those "I'm better than you" kind of threads, and rank arrogance is at the top of my list of pet peeves. So what?
Gotta say, your post wasn't exactly friendly and on topic now was it?
Yet another pot/kettle moment.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)technique and calling it efficient.
But then posting in the thread that you claim to be "manually ignoring". Doesn't seem efficient at all.
Now seriously.....
"Rank arrogance"??? God you and I read things differently.
Do you honestly think that folks don't deflect from discussions on this website?
I.E. "Thank you President Obama for supporting marriage equality."
and then "Yeah but he just did it for political expediency." or "He only did this AFTER the courts decided it for him."
The thread then devolves into a fist fight about who is or isn't a good Democrat when all the OP meant was exactly what they typed. "Thank you."
I think you would be hard pressed to find me engaging in this kind of crap ever.
Conversely when someone makes a crack about Hillary and the banksters or the DNC however true or warranted the same thing happens. Conversation is nil and that bugs me a lot.
Greenwald. It might shock you to know I don't give two shits about the guy. But I do think some of what he does has merit. So I must be a slobbering Greenwald fan. Right? And anti Obama and maybe the anti Christ. There are posters that engage in this crap constantly on both sides of the "fence". And it makes DU suck.
Another thing that makes DU suck is addressing another poster via a 3rd party. It's passive aggressive and rather gutless. I won't do it to you again and I apologize.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Apparently so...
Maybe you missed the part where I said that this was just another "I'm better than you" threads.
I would never presume to base an OP on the idea that my time and thoughts were infinitely more precious than others on this discussion board. How fucking arrogant.
Considering that I'm not a particular fan of the OP, I simply stated that perhaps their posts weren't nearly as riveting as they would like to think. No, I didn't read past the first sentence. Again, so what? Yeah, I could have skipped this thread entirely, but I decided to respond to a post as I scrolled past those I did not care to read, and said what I thought.
Yeah, arrogant people piss me off. I don't care for people who do this sort of thing as if what they have to say is so fucking superior. It isn't. They might like to know that perhaps there are some of us who don't give one whit what they write, and won't waste their own damn time reading it.
Now I've already spent more time on this smug thread than intended, but do carry on with the self-congratulatory discussion about how everyone else (present company excluded, of course) makes DU suck. Surely there are no contributors to the suckage and deflection in this thread, nah......
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Look at that OP. Cat this, cat that, cats, cats, cats...nice picture, though.
dissentient
(861 posts)a person will post an opinion, then someone doesn't like that opinion, but they don't just attack the opinion, they make up stuff much worse, and act as if the person said that and attack that too.
For instance, person A says - I don't like the color blue.
person B replies - So many right wingers don't like that color either, and also hate Obama and poor people. So, why do you hate Obama and poor people? How awful!
So person B attacks something they made up that person A never said. This phenomenon isn't only at this forum either, it is common and internet wide. Whenever I see it, it's an eye rolling moment.
Usually, the best response is just to ignore it, but if person A is in a fighting mood, they can throw it right back in various ways. The funny thing is person B will almost never admit they are the ones who said the offensive things they are accusing person A of saying in the first place, and usually act innocent, as if they have done nothing wrong.
QC
(26,371 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)and I say this as one who has seen this in action every day
merrily
(45,251 posts)Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)So you must be a Rand Paul supporter who's here only to troll DU.
Also, by putting the curlers on the dog, you're trying to make the dog look like Paul, which further proves my point.
Pooka Fey
(3,496 posts)This post will be printed out and put up on the fridge. Because Pooka Fey has the very unfortunate habit of blindly falling into online discussion traps and ending up with shit all over her lovely clothes, only to finish by being hotly accused of being DU's resident sociopath. Not meaning in any way there to imply that sociopaths are somehow different or "bad" in any way, before I get accused of sociopath bigotry. (Sorry, c'est plus fort que moi)
Your concluding paragraph is right on the money : "... stuffing the Universe with junk" Good advice on the ignore button, too. Thank you for this post, Sibelian, you've provided a great service to this community!
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"Why do you hate dogs?"
"And do you realise that many cats have a tendency to go out and be away from home, sometimes for extended periods? "
"Please consider deleting"
ROFLMAO
rock
(13,218 posts)The second set does not. I.e. it's the old politician's sortie: if you don't like the question, answer another.
sendero
(28,552 posts).... than real life. There is information and insight to be had, but it is buried beneath a lot of chaff. If you have the patience to dig through the chaff and the wisdom to spot the relevant stuff, spending time at it can be beneficial.
Certainly, without the internet I would have zero clue what is happening in the world today, especially with respect to economic issues, as the MSM is not interested in doing anything but spreading more bullshit.
So, YMMV. I make my online time more valuable here at DU by generously using the Ignore button. I won't ignore someone because of one disagreement, but once I detect a pattern of bullshit I really don't need to waste my time reading any more.
Ignore makes this forum tolerable.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)... are easy to spot by the sense of one's attention being sunk into a sink...! Normal human conversation doesn't actually work that way, so why should it be that way on the Internet?
I agree with you about the value of the Internet, and in fact, DU, as many things I had no idea about and would never have any idea about I learned about right here.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)It was Beauty killed the Beast.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)The Cosmic Egg, IMS.
Thank you, sibelian...and BKliban.
tclambert
(11,084 posts)But is it alive or dead . . . or both simultaneously?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)how in the hell am I supposed to answer anything about cats unless there is a liberal sprinkling of cuss?
...well punKin?
sibelian
(7,804 posts):p
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)If you're interested.
calimary
(81,099 posts)Followed by a demand for an apology from the Plastic Curler Legal Defense and Education Fund.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Sometimes I think they truuuuuuly care.