General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSix Lowest Common Denominator Reasons People Vote Republican:
1. "My Sky Daddy Will Beat YOUR Sky Daddies Up."2. "I'M Going to be RICH Someday, I Just KNOW it!"
3. "I'm Still Fighting The Cold War and Will Always Fight The Cold War."
4. "White Makes Right."
5. "It's ME Who's teh Oppressed, Not (insert actual oppressed ethnic group/gender/racial slur here)s!!!"
6. "Men Kissing EWWWWWWW!"
Is this a gross over-generalization? A broad brush? Divisive?
Look who their voters keep sending to the House and Senate. Look at their presidential candidates. These people, astoundingly, make The Failure Fuhrer and his puppetmaster Cheney look like benevolent PhDs.
When I encounter these people online, I'm looking at a bunch of scared, bitter, paranoid mice people who seem to have the deep understanding that, yes, it's really hard to defend their party's policies without some sense of shame or embarrassment. So their defense is to attack Democrats as being just as bad/worse or call them Communists. Yet that kind of skips the point, doesn't it?
Their economic policies rely on faith based/just-world hypothesis vaporware. Their foreign policy is "Turn The World into Glass Parking Lots pew pew pew 'murica!". Their domestic policy relies on bake sales to pay $200,000 cancer bills. They hate governmental shenanigans but have no problem whatsoever when a corporation does the same thing.
And yet, it all comes down to the Six Reasons. Maybe that's "What's Wrong with Kansas" . . . or Ohio or Michigan or New Hampshire or Iowa.
It's sad, really.
RKP5637
(67,104 posts)rgbecker
(4,826 posts)My tea party sister sends an email from a guy raving that his wife qualifies for health insurance under Obamacare for only $18/mo. While he has to pay $400 plus! I guess he thinks she shouldn't be getting such a deal, but doesn't mention what he thinks she is going to pay her medical bills without the coverage. Doesn't see the irony that he is talking about his wife getting health coverage!
It's so convoluted it sends me to tears trying to understand the logic.
As you say, "It's sad, really."
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)That is one partisan jerk. He's cutting off both he and his wife's nose to spite their faces.....over politics?
Wow. Just wow.
rgbecker
(4,826 posts)Here's the e mail. Take a deep breath:
Subject: Notes from an Engineer.
I'm a 54 year old consulting engineer and make between $60,000 and $125,000 per year, depending on how hard I work and whether or not there are work projects out there for me.
My girlfriend is 61 and makes about $18,000 per year, working as a part-time mail clerk.
For me, making $60,000 a year, under ObamaCare, the cheapest, lowest grade policy I can buy, which also happens to impose a $5,000 deductible, costs $482 per month.
For my girlfriend, the same exact policy, same deductible, costs $1 per month. That's right, $1 per month. I'm not making this up.
Don't believe me? Just go to www.coveredca.gov , the ObamaCare website for California and enter the parameters I've mentioned above and see for yourself. By the way, my zip code is 93940. You'll need to enter that.
So OK, clearly ObamaCare is a scheme that involves putting the cost burden of healthcare onto the middle and upper-income wage earners. But there's a lot more to it. Stick with me.
And before I make my next points, I'd like you to think about something:
I live in Monterey County, in Central California. We have a large land mass but just 426,000 residents - about the population of Colorado Springs or the city of Omaha.
But we do have a large Hispanic population, including a large number of illegal aliens, and to serve this group we have Natividad Medical Center, a massive, Federally subsidized county medical complex that takes up an area about one-third the size of the Chrysler Corporation automobile assembly plant in Belvedere, Illinois (see Google Earth View). Natividad has state-of-the-art operating rooms, Computed Tomography and Magnetic Resonance Imaging, fully equipped, 24 hour emergency room, and much more. If you have no insurance, if you've been in a drive-by shooting or have overdosed on crack cocaine, this is where you go. And it's essentially free, because almost everyone who ends up in the ER is uninsured.
Last year, 2,735 babies were born at Natividad. 32% of these were born to out-of-wedlock teenage mothers, 93% of which were Hispanic. Less than 20% could demonstrate proof of citizenship, and 71% listed their native language as Spanish. Of these 876 births, only 40 were covered under [any kind of] private health insurance. The taxpayers paid for the other 836. And in case you were wondering about the entire population - all 2,735 births - less than 24% involved insured coverage or even partial payment on behalf of the patient to the hospital in exchange for services. Keep this in mind as we move forward.
Now consider this:
If I want to upgrade my policy to a low-deductible premium policy, such as what I had with my last employer, my cost is $886 per month. But my girlfriend can upgrade her policy to the very same level, for just $4 per month. That's right, $4 per month. $48 per year for a zero-deductible, premium healthcare policy - the kind of thing you get when you work at IBM (except of course, IBM employees pay an average of $170 per month out of pocket for their coverage).
I mean, it's bad enough that I will be forced to subsidize the ObamaCare scheme in the first place. But even if I agreed with the basic scheme, which of course I do not, I wouldnever agree to subsidize premium policies. If I have to pay $482 a month for a budget policy, I sure as hell do not want the guy I'm subsidizing to get a better policy, for less that 1% of what I have to fork out each month for a low-end policy.
Why must I pay $482 per month for something the other guy gets for a dollar? And why should the other guy get to buy an $886 policy for $4 a month? Think about this: I have to pay $10,632 a year for the same thing that the other guy can get for $48. $10,000 of net income is 60 days of full time work as an engineer. $48 is something I could could pay for collecting aluminum cans and plastic bottles, one day a month.
Are you with me on this? Are you starting to get an idea what ObamaCare is really about?
ObamaCare is not about dealing with inequities in the healthcare system. That's just the cover story. The real story is that it is a massive, political power grab. Do you think anyone who can insure himself with a premium policy for $4 a month will vote for anyone but the political party that provides him such a deal? ObamaCare is about enabling, subsizdizing, and expanding the Left's political power base, at taxpayer expense. Why would I vote for anyone but a Democrat if I can have babies for $4 a month? For that matter, why would I go to college or strive for a better job or income if it means I have to pay real money for healthcare coverage? Heck, why study engineering when I can be a schlub for $20K per year and buy a new F-150 with all the money I'm saving?
And think about those $4-a-month babies - think in terms of propagation models. Think of just how many babies will be born to irresponsible, under-educated mothers. Will we get a new crop of brain surgeons and particle physicists from the dollar baby club, or will we need more cops, criminal courts and prisons? One thing you can be certain of: At $4 a month, they'll multiply, and multiply, and multiply.
ObamaCare: It's all about political power.
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)Spouts off about his income and position as if to set the "this guy knows what he's talking about" tone. He throws a lot of numbers around but they are out of context to the issue at hand, but those are just a few strands woven into nothing more than a rant from a paranoid reactionary right-winger.
What a nut.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)People seem to forget that.
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)America: The only place in the world where the well-to-dos are incredibly jealous of the supposed perks and benefits of the have-nots.
rgbecker
(4,826 posts)Ever get that?
Stargleamer
(1,989 posts)because a fertilized egg is a person! Fully Human!!
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)Put some batter in cupcake holders.
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)Stupid
Superstitious
Scared
Selfish
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)MOST of these Republican Voters are into other things.
Go to their channels and you will see they are into non-political stuff. Video games, cars, sports, all kinds of stuff. They are oblivious to what's going on in politics but when an election draws near it's like a chip is activated in their heads where they figure it's time to go attack Liberals thinking it will be fun to make them cry. There is no way to get one of these types to vote any way other than "R".
Avalux
(35,015 posts)They have no problem making sure we aren't 'allowed' to make our own decisions.
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts). . . "Lesser cut of meat" . . . that's amazing that moran even said that. I mean, that sounds made up, even for them. But never underestimate a conservative's ability to one-up the stupid.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)They all love them some cheap Chinese products and Putin is seen as a strong leader.
Only Nixon could go to China
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)Associating anyone to the left of Joe Lieberturd with Soviet Russia, despite overwhelming evidence there is no "left" in American politics - OK.
Buying from ChinaMart "Becuz itz cheepr git r dun" - also OK.
ashling
(25,771 posts)White makes right (I'm still fighting the War of Northern Aggression and will always fight the War of Northern Aggression)
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)There are still some idiots online that actually use that in passing.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_South
"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth 'that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."
Among the various Articles of Secession promulgated by the would be members of the Confederacy were:
Georgia,
"The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery."
Mississippi,
"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun."
snip
Texas,
"Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union...She was received into the confederacy...as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time.
In all the non-slave-holding States...the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party...based upon an unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color-- a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States
...all white men are and of right ought to be entitled to equal civil and political rights; that the servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations..."
ashling
(25,771 posts)I decided to take it to freeperville
treestar
(82,383 posts)They say Guns, God and Gays, so that covers, 1,3 and 6.
2 covers the economic position.
4 and 5 are kind of the same in that the racists usually do claim that whites are the victims of racism now.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)To criticize Him is blasphemy and at your peril.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)If the Republicans accidently made abortion illegal they would lose a large portion of their voting base. They can afford to make it illegal. Of course you still have the Dixiecrats who are "votin' agin integration and hopin' for segregation to return. Oh, this bunch needs their guns to make this point.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)I'm stealing this, it will make a great Tee.
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)I used to say "If your political domestic positions could be found in the lyrics of white power bands, you just might be a Republican!"