German TV airs faked "Russian tanks in Ukraine" film clip.

[another_liberal]

I guess this is what we can expect to be seeing a lot of now that the war-mongers are getting desperate to assure we at least begin weapons shipments to our puppet government in Kiev. Even so, film of Russian tanks in South Ossetia during the 2008 hostilities there is a pretty clumsy effort to offer "evidence" of Russian units in eastern Ukraine. I suppose it is indicative of the degree of respect Western war-supporting media have for our intelligence.

(AFP)


German TV channel under fire over fake ‘Russian tanks in Ukraine’ footage


A citizen’s media group has lodged a complaint against German television channel ZDF for airing a photograph of Russian tanks in eastern Ukraine, which in reality were Russian tanks on patrol in South Ossetia in 2008.

Just days after a US politician presented on the Senate floor falsified images of Russian tanks purported to be taken in eastern Ukraine, one of Germany’s largest broadcasters appears guilty of the very same error. The German media watchdog group, known as the Permanent Open Committee of Media Monitoring, has issued a complaint against federal channel Zweiten Deutschen Fernsehens (ZDF) over false reporting on the situation in eastern Ukraine, Deutsche Wirtschafts Nachrichten has reported.

The complaint involves a photograph that purports to show Russian military presence in eastern Ukraine, a claim that Moscow has denied on numerous occasions. The news segment aired by ZDF featured a photo with the caption "Russian armored vehicles moved through Isvarino in the Lugansk region, February 12, 2015," citing "Ukrainian army spokesman Andrei Lysenko." However, there is one glaring problem with the photograph in question: it shows Russian tanks in South Ossetia, not Ukraine.

The media watchdog determined that the photograph, which RT believes is dated from the 2008 Russian-Georgian conflict in South Ossetia, was already used in a Korean blog posting from 2009. Meanwhile, the timing of the erroneous news segment – on the very same day the leaders of Russia, Germany, France and Ukraine were meeting in Minsk in an effort to broker a Ukrainian ceasefire – could not have been less propitious.

(snip)


Read more at: http://rt.com/news/232963-germany-russia-tanks-ukraine/

[polly7]

1. Good grief, these fake clips and photographs are showing up everywhere.

Coincidence? Nah ...... They know the world is waking up to the bullshit and are getting more desperate all the time.

[OverseaVisitor]

3. Well everyone is taking a real hard look

The truth is ugly indeed.

I am waiting for the plug to be pulled.

MH 170.

At a certain stage the present Kiev Government will just be discarded as a useless tool.

[polly7]

4. Russia's people are being punished for the successful Western act of

overthrowing the Ukrainian government! It's totally bizarre and grotesque and makes a person with at least a few intact pieces of brain want to throw up. When I think of economic sanctions (economic terrorism) I never fail to remember the half million Iraqi children who died because of them. Yet they're used over and over as tools to punish ordinary people for the West's own deeds. Pukeworthy, indeed.

Yes, the next installed Kiev 'gov't' will simply be another tool for the IMF and Ukraine will finally be opened up to all Western corporate interests and probably western military bases. They're going to need a willing stooge for that.

[OverseaVisitor]

6. I know

Matter of time before Putin act.

Then everyone scream unfair not playing by rules. Russia suppose to behave like poor helpless Saddam.

Then others send in troops biff bang biff bang . Loser use nuke.

Ok problems solve go count da money.

[polly7]

7. "Count da money"

Yes, that's what it's all about. Money and power ........ nothing ever changes, not even the lack of compassion for those suffering and dying because of it - including children. 'Collateral damage' to the 1% and their tools.

[OverseaVisitor]

11. Depend Russia weird country

haha a plane to fetch their 2 sick citizen home from Thailand

[another_liberal]

17. When the war-mongers have so much control over what people are told about their World . . .

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They tend to get really sloppy with their methods.

If only we had more voices of opposition in the MSM. It surely would make just as much money for them as does being willing toadies to the MIC.

[polly7]

20. Well said.

And they think people are stupid enough to fall for anything. They need to hire much better propagandists.

[snooper2]

25. I know, Putin should leave the day-to-day operations of RT to a better propaganda minister

[HERVEPA]

51. Excellent

[malaise]

23. Some other fake stuff is showing up everywhere as well

I am shocked I tell you - shocked.

[Fred Sanders]

34. Senator Inhofes fake photos are being spread around, anything to get war back on track.

[DetlefK]

2. What happened to the english-speaking guys in US-uniforms fighting in Ukraine?

You know, the ones you were hearing about on "the wires".

[SidDithers]

5. ...

Sid

[NCTraveler]

8. Lots of propoganda going around.

Putin has multiple outlets to release his propaganda, rt being the biggest. Not sure why one would act surprised that others play Putins game too. Tons of propaganda all the way around. One thing we can all agree on is that Putin serves his own extreme right wing interests. Not much to debate there.

[hobbit709]

10. According to the OP, Putin is as pure as the new fallen snow.

At least that's what he wants you to believe with his myriad of RT linked posts.

[SidDithers]

12. Yup...

Putin boot-lickers abound.

Sid

[polly7]

15. nope...

Warmonger slipper-suckers abound.

polly.

[SidDithers]

16. Here, I made it just for you polly...

You're welcome.

Sid

[polly7]

19. Aww ........ how sweet.

You're so obsessed with him, you need to change your avatar into that.

I've never mentioned 'Putin'. Does my defense of human beings being burned alive, murdered and suffering in all of this offend you? Gee ....... that's too bad.

[mythology]

58. You might want to check Putin's record then.

He's killed a lot of people in invading Georgia, Ukraine and the war in Chechnya.

And that's before you get into his assaults on gays or political dissertation.

[NCTraveler]

13. I hear ya. I just don't think they believe what they are selling.

I have seen them flat out deny and ignore facts in order to hold their line. It is obvious from their writing that they are smarter than that. I can't put my finger on it but I do know it is something else. Personally, I think it links back to when Obama was more of a daily name brought up during the initial invasion and the downing of the jet. Some had to simply try to find the anti-Obama line. Once that was done they had to stick with it. Juvenile? Sure. Sometimes it is how mental gymnastics work. <- All my words. Nothing stated here is related to hobbit709 other than it is my reply to them.

[sabrina 1]

40. So what do you think of using fake photos to drum up support for WAR? Remember the FAKE PHOTOS

Colin Powell brought to the UN to ensure thatl the Neocon's War in Iraq would come to pass?

What a tragedy that has all been that COULD have been avoided had Bush supporters not allowed themselves to be blinded by their partisanship and helped those of us who saw through it from the beginning.

At least this time, there is way, way more skepticism of the NEocons' attempts in Ukraine.

[FBaggins]

44. And you can't see the difference?

The fake photos that Powell brought to the UN represented something that wasn't happening (i.e., there were no WMDs in Iraq).

Are you claiming that's the case here? The photo (only one of many has been shown to be misused AFAIK) was offered as evidence that the Russians have soldiers and equipment participating directly in the conflict. Do you believe that's a lie?

[sabrina 1]

50. Yes I am claiming that this is the case here. Did you miss Sen. Inhofe's apology for using fake Ukr

photos also? He had no choice really, as I said before, people are doing a lot more fact checking this time.

[FBaggins]

52. You're really claiming that?

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Well... at least you have the courage of your convictions... no matter how nutty they are.

I suppose you'll try to re-sell the line that the russian soldiers who have been found there were either "lost" or fighting while "on vacation"... right?

Did you miss Sen. Inhofe's apology for using fake Ukr photos also?

Nope. I've seen him apologize for one of the photos being inapropriate.

"I was furious to learn one of the photos provided now appears to be falsified from an AP photo taken in 2008. This doesn’t change the fact that there is plenty of evidence Russia has made advances into the country with T-72 tanks and that pro-Russian separatists have been killing Ukrainians in cold blood.”

Sorry... but fake photo (or photos if you prefer) dont' change the fact that Russia has been flat-out lying with their claims that they haven't even been providing support for the seperatists. The only question is whether you're buying their lies... or selling them.

[sabrina 1]

53. And you believe Inhofe trying to wriggle out of being caught red-handed, simply

taking info from people who clearly had an agenda (US TAX DOLLARS FOR THEIR ILL CONCEIVED CIVIL WAR) without bother to fact check the material?

And would he even have relented that tiny bit, had the PHONY story he was telling, not been made so PUBLIC?

I doubt it!

Here, some more info, without taking the deceptive REpublican war monger, Inhofe's, word for ANYTHING:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026238655

[FBaggins]

57. Nope. I don't have to believe Inhofe

The Obama administration has been clear enough.

It's laughable to pretend that the evidence for Russian involvement is limted to just a few photos.

taking info from people who clearly had an agenda

Lol! You didn't seriously just post that... did you?

[sabrina 1]

59. So you are refusing to accept the PROVABLE facts that we are BEING LIED to again

in order to start another Neocon war? You are more and more in the minority on this.

If Obam is basing his beliefs on the same information Inhofe did, then I'm sure he will change his mind, as any person would once the know the facts.

And this is not the first time they've been caught showing FAKE PHOTOS from Ukraine.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026238655

Inhofe still lying, about the lies. 'One photo'! Lol!

[FBaggins]

62. There have been no such "provable facts"

It's entirely possible (likely in fact) that some US officials fell for Ukrainian propaganda pushing photos that are more sell-able than others... but it's ridiculous to pretend that anyone in the administration is basing their beliefs on that information. They have spy satelites after all. They know the facts for certain. You cannot claim that the President is being duped here... you have to believe that he's in on it.

The only provable lies here are coming from the Russian propaganda team trying deserately to spin the notion that somehow the case for Russian involvement here was based on these photos... many month after their involvement was far beyond rational denial.

[sabrina 1]

66. We are being lied to and now they have been caught. And you can close your eyes

to the lies if you want. But the world remembers the lies, (your comment brings back memories of those telling us 'it's the Iraqis who are lying' btw) we were told to get us into Iraq.

INHOFE has ADMITTED the lies he told, claiming it was 'the Ukrainian Delegation's fault'! Lol, OF COURST They lied! And he would never have corrected the lies if he had not been CAUGHT red-handed.

[FBaggins]

69. We HAVE been lied to... repeatedly.

And you're the one reposting those lies from the Russian propaganda machine.

INHOFE has ADMITTED the lies he told,

Thus demonstrating how far removed from reality you are. He most certainly didn't admit to telling any lies. Nor should he... since the fundamental reality behind his claims remains unrefuted - "This doesn’t change the fact that there is plenty of evidence Russia has made advances into the country with T-72 tanks and that pro-Russian separatists have been killing Ukrainians in cold blood.”

You can't spin that as republican lies or Ukrainian lies. The Obama administration has all of the evidence they need to judge the reality here (and there's nothing that anyone in Ukraine can do to change that). If you claim we're being lied to... it's the Democratic administration that's doing the lying.

Time to own up to what you're really claiming... that Russia is telling us the truth while President Obama is lying us into war.

[sabrina 1]

71. Everyone is lying, including CSpan and the NYT et al. Lol! Keep trying to sell

that as more and more people understand who is behind the lies. Same old lying neocons, same gang that lied about Iraq.

See here for the facts. Unless you prefer to believe Inhofe. I wonder how many other lies they are telling that have yet to be exposed?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026238655

[FBaggins]

72. You keep trying to dodge that it's our President who you claim is lying

Stop trying to avoid that simple truth or pretend that it's the neocons. Own it. Perhaps it's time for you to find another board.

Our state department has released multiple photos that they say clearly show Russian equipment... including many directly responsible for a number of deaths.

You can't hide from that... desperate to do so as you may be.

[another_liberal]

14. A major German news source aired faked footage . . .

And did so in an effort to incriminate Russian forces in our proxy war. No amount of RT-bashing can change that unavoidable truth.

People in this country (and in the West generally) must wake up to the fact they are being lied to by interests who stand to gain (or so they imagine) by increased hostilities in eastern Ukraine. This kind of false information is all the war-mongers have ever presented us with regarding their fanciful "Russian invasion of Ukraine!"

Don't be duped. The MIC is just playing us for gullible fools.


In regard to President Putin: What evidence do you have "we can all agree" on what you suggest? Seems like an unsupported assumption to me.

[NCTraveler]

18. Putin being a right winger is unsupported in your mind?

I am not being duped. I read a variety of news sources. Not just rt. Only a very select few here rely on propaganda for their only news. That is how we have ended up with good progressives supporting one right wing government over another. Your refusal to look at the issue in a fair manner is clear.

"People in this country (and in the West generally) must wake up to the fact they are being lied to by interests who stand to gain (or so they imagine) by increased hostilities in eastern Ukraine. This kind of false information is all the war-mongers have ever presented us with regarding their fanciful "Russian invasion of Ukraine!"

I truly don't think anyone can believe the things you write. Here is a little exercise: Does Putting stand to gain anything? You seem to think everyone else is and acting as if one of the wealthiest, most powerful, right wing fascists in the world is some kind of victim.

But lets be real. You actually just stated you don't think Putin is a right winger. You have no ground left to stand on. You have been fooled to the point you think that is "unsupported." KGB fascist love to you brother.

The Germans are the grown ups in the room. Thanks to them good might be happening. Glad they don't bow down to Putin. Seems some want to muddy the waters and keep the propaganda of war going on. Like is being done in your ops.

Merkel, Putin, Poroshenko agree steps on ceasefire: Germany

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/merkel-putin-poroshenko-agree-steps-on-ceasefire-germany/ar-BBhETzq

Here is another great journalistic outlet for you. Hard hitting stuff.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room

[ND-Dem]

27. we ended up with progressives supporting right wing governments because only a

few here rely on propaganda? what?

[NCTraveler]

36. It was an extremely basic response.

It was understood by the one with liberal in his name and a couple of others. If you don't get it maybe not commenting would be best. I can't make it any easier. Then again you think Germany is airing fake photos. lol. You have no clue how funny that sounds.

[another_liberal]

28. I am quite certain the Russian President does not fit that description . . .

Whatever he might be, he is certainly not an American style "Right-winger" with all that term connotes.

[NuclearDem]

32. Warmongering homophobic oligarch.

That's pretty much the American right to a tee.

[NCTraveler]

35. You are correct.

His views are outside of the acceptable range for American politics. I just realized you aren't being serious in any way. You will even go as far as to claim he is no right winger.

[ND-Dem]

29. if the germans are grown-ups, why is their media airing fake photos?

[NCTraveler]

33. The Germans aren't airing fake photos.

First you need to figure out how flawed your comment really is. Second, Merkel is the one leading the way for the cease fire. Figure that one out.

[ND-Dem]

37. time will tell.

[reorg]

75. German tv stations have been caught several times

airing fake photos. You need to pay attention to the OP of threads you participate in.

[NCTraveler]

79. Pretty arrogant of you to say.

Specially since my comment is 100% correct. It is that extremely simplistic, black and white view, that stunts progress.

[HERVEPA]

21. Your Russia Today propaganda stuff is full of shit.

As is your alter-ego apparently needs more crackers.

[FBaggins]

22. Did it really?

That may or may not be true... but so far, all we have is a claim from a Russian propaganda outlet saying that a german "media watchdog" (that I can't find mention of on Google prior to 24 hours ago) said so and that the evidence for this was that the photo was on a Korean blog back in 2009.

That's pretty thin gruel.

And ever were it all true... this propaganda spin is all offered in an attempt to claim that there aren't Russian soldiers in-country... which hardly rests on the evidence of a single photo.

[another_liberal]

24. I believe the Germans have already admitted the fact . . .

Are you suggesting they are lying about being liars?

[FBaggins]

26. That should be easy enough for you to back up

I know that the original group of photos (Inhofe's) was admitted to have one that was not genuine.

It still boils down to a very simple question that all this hand waiving on your part is attempting to dodge:

Do you believe that Russian troops and/or equipment are involved in the military conflict?

Yes or no please.

[another_liberal]

68. Hand-waving indeed?

Falsifying evidence to influence whether or not to supply weapons for a growing European war is not exactly the typical, fluffy media scandal. It involves a very real threat to the lives of millions of people.

[reorg]

74. actually, it is very easy to back up

the German media have repeatedly been reprimanded - not just by bloggers and citizen's groups, the main TV station ARD also by their own oversight committee.

Regarding the 'original group of photos (Inhofe's)' you don't seem all that well informed either. Of the three photos he presented, two were taken years ago in other theaters and only the third one which shows a single tank was taken last August in east Ukraine - not with 'Russians' invading, but self defense forces. So, all of these pictures were not genuine, two were taken years ago in other countries and none of them proves the presence of Russian forces in Ukraine.

'Putin keeps saying we don't have any Russians in there with the separatists, it's not us, we're not doin' it. Look! Here they are! This here pictures we brought back with us. Those are the tanks, all lined up, all that within, within that area of, uh, Ukraine, and, clearly, that's what they are. Now, if you want to see how brutal Putin and everyone else is ... blah, blah, blah, ISIS, blah, blah, blah ...

http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4528166/senator-inhofe-shows-fake-photos-ukraine-war





The T72 tank is Russian made, according to Wikipedia Ukraine has more than 1000 of them.


http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/t72tank.htm

[FBaggins]

77. "The T72 tank is Russian made, according to Wikipedia Ukraine has more than 1000 of them. "

It comes in a number of variants... including the T-72BM that Russia never exported and the T-72B1 that was never in service in Ukraine.

Yet both have been destroyed within Ukraine.

[sabrina 1]

41. The last resort of those who do not want to discuss the obvious, 'look over there, at the

messenger'

[NuclearDem]

46. For someone who spends an almost obsessive amount of time

railing against the corporate media, that's a wee bit disingenuous.

[sabrina 1]

47. Correction, criticizing lies told by the Corporate Media to drag this country into war.

Unless you believe our Corporate Controlled Media told us the truth??

What is disingenuous is to accuse DUers who were proven to be RIGHT about those disastrous lies, told by the NY, MSNBC, CNN, CNBC, FOX, the WAPO of being the ones who are disingenuous.

And here we go again, with more fake photos, more lies, by the same neocons, and their 'allies' and their propagandists in the media and in Congress.

Fortunately due to the exposure of all those lies, people are a lot less willing to simply accept the 'information' being sold to them again, and these fake photos and other propaganda are being exposed far more quickly.

[Fred Sanders]

49. Too bad for the propagandists and their sympathizers there is still net neutrality, makes their job very tough these days.

Senator Inhofe ended up doing truth a great favor.
Some folk are very reluctant to talk about the exposed lies.

[NuclearDem]

64. But RT would never lead us astray!

[woo me with science]

9. K&R

[Man from Pickens]

30. Interesting tidbit I learned

The chief correspondent for Reuters in the region is a former NATO information (read: propaganda) officer.

The media is as fully a part of the military-industrial complex as are the actual weapons manufacturers!

[another_liberal]

67. Thank you for posting with that information . . .

Fascinating stuff.

I admit, I did not think it was quite that bad, silly me!

[Egnever]

31. That's nice

I don't need anything more than him jailing people for being gay for me to oppose anything putin does.

[Blue_Tires]

38. For someone whoring links from RT, TASS, LIFE News, Sputnik, etc. on an hourly basis

you don't have a fuckin' leg to stand on and you know it

[sabrina 1]

43. Are you denying that fake photos have been shown and that apologies have already been made

by eg, Sen. Inhofe, for HIS participation in using fake material to 'prove' there are Russian troops in Ukraine?

The OP most certainly does have a 'leg to stand on' as is always the case when people are reporting FACTS.

[GGJohn]

54. You keep saying photos, but Inhofe only apologized for one photo.

Do you have any proof that the rest of those photos are fake?

[NuclearDem]

39. RT to German TV: There's a speck of wood in your eye.

[FBaggins]

42. Lol!

[sabrina 1]

45. Not just a speck, and there's a huge tree in Repub Inhofe's eye also, after showing FAKE PHOTOS to

Congress, screaming about Russia in Ukr, only to find out he was FOOLED and USED by the Ukr Kiev coup government.

At least he apologized, but it shows how stupid people can be including war mongering Senators, so determined to start another they don't even CHECK their sources.

Thankfully in today's world, after the Iraq phony photos and lies, it is a different story and people ARE checking these sources.

Maybe it's best to just to stick to the truth, that way people don't end up like Colin Powell, and now our illustrious war mongering members of Congress, with a whole lot of egg on their faces.

[FBaggins]

48. You keep using the plural of that word

Have you presented evidence that any of the other photos were "fake"?

Once again... do you or do you not believe that Russian soldiers and equipment are in-theater?

Yes or no?

[Karmadillo]

55. Is this sufficient evidence?

I recognize the NY Times is kind of a dicey source for news these days, but it's the best I can do for now:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/14/world/europe/sifting-ukrainian-fact-from-ukrainian-fiction.html

<edit>

While none of his colleagues saw anything amiss with the presentation, The Washington Free Beacon, a friendly conservative news outlet Mr. Inhofe’s staff provided the same images to, acknowledged on Thursday that “serious questions have been raised about the authenticity of some of the photographs” by bloggers with access to Google Image search.

As Gawker reported, just hours after they were posted online by the Beacon, a group effort to vet the photographs had revealed that one of the images, taken in October, actually showed separatists in Ukraine, while the other two did show Russian troops, but driving near Russia’s border with Georgia more than six years ago during the brief conflict in South Ossetia.

more...

[FBaggins]

56. Evidence of what?

Once again, regardless of the veracity of the source(s) for thos photos, they were offered to further demonstrate Russian military involvement in the conflict... and that simply can't be honestly disputed (as the piece you linked to demonstrates yet again).

[Karmadillo]

60. My bad. I was responding to the question you asked in your post. I

thought providing the evidence that multiple photos were fake would be satisfactory. Silly assumption on my part.

[FBaggins]

63. Yes. It was a silly assumption

First of all... that piece didn't provide evidence of multiple fake photos. It merely raised the question (in this case on three of them). It didn't, for instance, question the more damaging photos of attrocities.

Much more important is the underlying narative. The story that the photos are intended to tell (that russian troops are involved in the conflict) is eithe true or it isn't. You must have missed that there were three questions in that post (or two with one asked twice). The Russians would very much like for suckers to believe that casting doubt on this one piece of evidence somehow allows them to claim that none of the rest of the evidence was true...

... don't be a sucker.

[Karmadillo]

65. So false photos are valid in proving underlying assumed truth?

[FBaggins]

70. Nope...

... but the truths are in no way "assumed". There's plenty of evidence to back them up.

The more important logical argument that you're missing is that "false photos" are not proof that many month of hard evidence actually say something different from what they've been saying. The Putinists can try to spin it all they like, but someone else's clumsy propaganda attempts don't change the fact that Russian soldiers are involved in the conflict.

[reorg]

76. so why don't you present some of that 'hard evidence' finally

instead of making 'important logical arguments' echoing Rumsfeld's pathetic excuses.

[FBaggins]

78. It's ridiculous to pretend that it doesn't exist

The President has access to far more than what someone on the internet claims is evidence. He obviously has a number of intelligence assets capable of tracking individual units all across the countryside. Obama doesn't have to release them to either of us, but we know that they exist.

The only way to uphold your position is to claim that he is the one lying to us. Not the MIC... not the neocons... not Inhofe... Obama.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

61. In war, truth is the first casualty. Aeschylus

[Blue_Tires]

73. Russia Update: TASS, RT Disavow Journalist Who Laughs as Militants Fire on Ukrainians

http://www.interpretermag.com/russia-update-february-17-2015/#6873