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The Rude Pundit is going to play his professor card, something that he reserves for special occasions, to talk about Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, a man who looks like what you get when a prairie vole fucks a water shrew. The probable 2016 Republican presidential candidate never finished college at Marquette University, and right-wingers have rushed to defend him, despite the fact that he's had a government job since 1993, when he was elected to his first office. Walker has been living off Wisconsin's tax dollars for over 20 years.
From saggy-titted Rush Limbaugh to purposeless Breitbart to whoever the fuck is pretending to be a writer at the National Review, conservatives want you to know that, holy cow, you don't need a college degree to be president. And they're right. You don't. Like him or not, Walker has a shit-ton of experience in politics since it's the only thing he's really done in his adult life. That kind of thing used to drive conservatives bonkers but obviously not anymore.
But where all of these assaults on the academy go wrong is in assuming that there is only one type of college experience. The most egregious of these comes from an actual professor, Glenn Reynolds, he of Instapundit bloggery and a law prof at the University of Tennessee (which is where the Rude Pundit got his big ol' doctorate). Writing in USA Today, Reynolds, hyping his own book, mostly, tells us that leftist elitists from the Ivy League have fucked us over. See, all of us with degrees are just snobs: "Over the past few years in America, a college degree has become something valued more as a class signifier than as a source of useful knowledge." Then Reynolds goes totally dickish, adding, "When Democratic spokesman Howard Dean (who himself was born into wealth) suggested that Walker's lack of a degree made him unsuitable for the White House, what he really meant was that Walker is 'not our kind, dear' lacking the credential that many elite Americans today regard as essential to respectable status."
See, to conservatives, "college" is itself a signifier of "indoctrinated into leftist beliefs." And, of course, "college" only means the Ivy League. Says Reynolds, after listing the Harvard, Yale, et al credentials of President Obama and the Supreme Court, "All this credentialism means that we should have the best, most efficiently and intelligently run government ever, right? Well, just look around. Anyone who has ever attended a faculty meeting should recognize that more education doesn't produce better decision makers, and our educated mandarinate doesn't seem to have done much for the country." Serious question: Is Reynolds a total cock at his own faculty meetings? And the Rude Pundit has long believed that Ivy League incest has harmed the nation. But the solution is not to say, "Well, obviously, college makes people dumb." It's to say, "Hey, how about some leaders who came from state schools?"
Reynolds so devalues the college experience that, after informing us that most people don't have degrees, he scoffs, "But where 50 years or 100 years ago they might not have cared, many now feel inferior to those who possess a degree. But without much reason, as many college degrees don't signify much besides a limited ability to show up on time most of the time, and avoid getting so falling-down-drunk that you flunk out."
And this is where the Rude Pundit would like to address Reynolds directly, professor to professor:
"Motherfucker, I teach at a school where many of the students are the first in their family to go to college. Their parents want their kids to get a degree so they can have more comfortable lives. The students come to classes ready to learn, open-minded, and, far more often than not, conscientious and prepared. The hardest part is having to compensate for the shitty education system created by politicians and business people that has dicked over students for knowing anything beyond what was on a goddamned test. You know what's elitist? Pretending that college doesn't matter. Pretending that all schools are like Harvard or even fuckin' UTK, where, yeah, the drunk thing is a factor. But that's not the vast majority of colleges and universities. It ain't the vast majority of students. Mine work full time, take classes full time, and sometimes have kids to take care of. Many of them know what the world is like for people without degrees. You know what the diploma indicates, asshole? That you stuck with something and succeeded. That you spent time with people who are different than you. That you learned some things that you perhaps wouldn't have learned. And, despite the bullshit you cite, study after study proves that you earn more with a college education than without. I've been wanting to say this to your worthless ass for years: Fuck you, man. Grow the fuck up."
Damn, that felt good. One other note here: As the Rude Pundit has said before, if you believe that colleges are merely bastions of bolshevik liberalism, spend some time with professors in the business majors or, really, the STEM profs. Oh, wait. They believe in science, so maybe not.
As for Scott Walker, let's dismiss his inability to answer a question about evolution as craven political expedience. What does matter is, as governor, he has bought into the right-wing attack on higher education and he wants to fuck the universities of his state with huge budget cuts, just like Bobby Jindal in Louisiana. That shit looks sketchy, especially when you don't have a degree.
If you can be successful at something without a diploma, good on you, future Bill Gates or Louis CK or Oprah. Obviously, people can be just like you. Except for the almost everyone who can't.
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2015/02/scott-walker-doesnt-have-college-degree.html
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)"a man who looks like what you get when a prairie vole fucks a water shrew"
KeepItReal
(7,770 posts)Here's James Carville at my alma mater, The University of New Orleans (Happy Mardi Gras, BTW).
He's giving a commencement speech, but could not in good conscience ignore the draconian budget cuts aimed at UNO by Jindal in the GOP-run Louisiana legislature:
I've always been a Carville fan and this speech is one of the reasons why.
(Why Al Gore didn't let this man quarterback his campaign is beyond me)
spanone
(141,523 posts)Kber
(5,043 posts)I find the idea of someone who has obviously benefited from *his* degree tacitly encouraging others to skip getting their own, distasteful.
There are a number of kids, I suppose, who coast through the experience. My dad was one. Until he actually drank too much to show up consistently and failed out. During Vietnam. With a low draft number.
Three years later he returned to college, courtesy of the GI bill, and graduated with a 4.0.
True, college isn't for everyone.
That's why we need strong unions in addition to strong universities. The argument that you don't necessarily need college works a lot better when people have decent working or middle class job opportunities. But when you are gutting academic institutions at the same time you are undermining the unions who fight for living wages, well, I call bullshit.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)And not just in Europe.
bullwinkle428
(20,662 posts)Augiedog
(2,701 posts)Knowledge, and more pointedly, a secularly educated populace is the right wings most feared reality. You can never really fix stupid but you can fix ignorance through education. One of the prime factors of a contemporary college education is learning critical thinking skills, and that scars the hell out of extremist right wingers who understand which way the wind will blow if their charter(evangelical) schools are found out for the indoctrination camps they really are. Don't forget, the Texas Republican Party put an education "plank" in their list of things they all wanted, and this plank called for the banning of teaching critical thinking. Imagine that. The Republican Party not only depends on an ignorant membership, witness Faux news, it thrives on it. It's why having an honest, intelligent debate or discussion with a republican is an oxymoron.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)And you hit the nail on the head. The best way to roll back superstition and fear is by way of the ability to think critically and evaluate the world in a realistic and rational manner. Superstition and fear are designed to bypass the rational part of the brain.
hue
(4,949 posts)K & R
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)to you and the Rude Pundit. I have university degrees, and I know how much they helped my life, not necessarily in terms of income. For years, I have helped and watched as many, many young men and women went to college and on to major successes in their lives. My students. Anyone who would deprive America of its educational systems should be banished from the country. Walker should lead the parade out of America.
Friday afternoon I will be in Orlando to watch one of my former students do a lecture and recital at the Bach Festival. Classically trained soprano, teaches at Rollins College in Orlando. Did I mention she is Japanese?
jwirr
(39,215 posts)the top jobs in their companies without a diploma but they support him to run a state and now they want him to run our country. It is going to be just like it was with W - a stand in government. Someone else will be calling the shots.
Dustlawyer
(10,539 posts)since Reagan. The power of all of that money and what it can do for a politician is too tempting. They like the power of the office and all that comes with it, and so are willing to sell their soles to the big donors to stay there. They become lying puppets controlled by Wall Street, the MIC, oil industry, insurance industry, Big Pharma, and any other big monied group.
madville
(7,847 posts)My job for example, the requirements are 4 years experience or a masters degree in a related field. I have a technical certificate and an AA, got the job because I had 12 years experience in the field though.
I think that's geared more towards giving veterans a shot at the job because they typically have hiring preference and the experience but may lack a degree in the field.
Aldo Leopold
(687 posts)"Many Federal jobs give more weight to experience than education
"My job for example, the requirements are 4 years experience or a masters degree in a related field."
Isn't this equivocal? In other words, experience can equal (or substitute for ) education in this example, but I don't see how it has more weight than education based on your experience.
madville
(7,847 posts)It is generally 2 years experience or a bachelors, 3-4 years experience or a Masters, 4-6 years experience or a PhD, etc.
If course some professional jobs require a specific degree for the minimum qualifications, I'm talking about less specialized occupational codes.
Aldo Leopold
(687 posts)Leith
(7,864 posts)calls'em like he sees'em and doesn't take prisoners.
Aldo Leopold
(687 posts)This is one of my pet issues, the right wing constantly harping against university education and professors.
Here's the key element of Rude's brilliant essay:
"That you spent time with people who are different than you."
The importance of a college education is not so much the "job" it leads you to as it is the diversity of ideas, opinions, and world views it exposes you to along the way.
mountain grammy
(29,005 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)educated beyond his intelligence .........degree solves no problem,