Do YOU stand with Hillary? Part 1

[MannyGoldstein]

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Did Obama allow ISIS to happen by not supplying shadowy Syrian rebels with advanced weapons?

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	I stand with Hillary! More weapons!
	1 (10%)
	Dumb-assed idea.
	3 (30%)
	Did she actually say that?
	3 (30%)
	Glenn Greenwald eats kitten faces.
	3 (30%)
	Other.
	0 (0%)
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[marym625]

1. I cannot believe you put that, that TRAITOR

Glenn Snowald in with the hero that is Hillary. I mean look at her initials! HRC. Even her initials show how dedicated she is making love, not war.


I would have voted I stand with HRC but I have seen Snowald eat kittens. And I don't understand how he was ever let back into this country, if even just for a moment.

[markpkessinger]

40. Right you are! And in case anyone should doubt Hillary's Heroics . . .

[marym625]

42. Oh no!

Omfd! How did she survive?

Let's call the Pope and make her a saint!

[demwing]

2. I read "Glenn Greenwald eats kitten feces" and wondered "OMG! WHAT could be worse than THAT?"

then I read it again, slowly...

[Agschmid]

3. Wtf.

[spanone]

4. Zzzzzzzz.....

[DanTex]

5. I disagree with her and agree with Obama.

What I would like to see (obviously, not going to happen on DU) would be an intelligent discussion of what could have been done, what can be done, and what if anything should be done to improve the situation in the Middle East, much of which is the result of Bush's Iraq War. And some appreciation of the complexities, rather than just assertions that Clinton and Obama are evil warmongering imperialists.

[marym625]

7. I disagree

We could easily have that discussion. We should have that discussion. Though I don't know about the should have. Can't go back and change the past.

I don't know that we can have the discussion if the post says something like, "Hillary will do this" or "won't do that." But if you post your ideas and what you want to discuss, it can be done.

The one thing that I am sick of is going to posts to call people down. There's a big difference between discussing facts and just saying things like, "you're more aligned with Romney" because someone disagrees with Hillary.

[DanTex]

13. Well, the tone of this OP certainly isn't conducive to intelligent discussion IMO.

I mean, it's not like the reason that Hillary favored arming the rebels was because she likes wars, or wants to be Alexander the Great. And Obama actually considered doing it (IIRC), but opted not to, or maybe at most in a very limited capacity. "Yay, more weapons!" is not really a description of the options. It was more like, do we let horrible things happen, with the potential of spreading instability, or do we work with questionable allies in an attempt to control the chaos and improve the situation, at risk of making it worse.

There's also the argument that we just shouldn't be involved militarily with what goes on elsewhere in the world, but even that fails, for example in Rwanda, where doing just that is considered one of the great failings of the Clinton administration.

[marym625]

17. No, this isn't a post looking for honest discussion

Absolutely. It's in response to a bunch of pro-hillary comments elsewhere today.

That doesn't mean it can't be done. I believe it can be. It just has to be a post about the subject and not the person.

Yes,; we should have gone into Rwanda.

[JI7]

12. this is not the place for that

[RufusTFirefly]

6. I stand with Hillary! more weapons!

"Bosnia to base! Bosnia to base! We're facing sniper fire."

[MannyGoldstein]

9. Third Way: Team Photo!

Missing: Margaret Dumont, as the American People.

[RufusTFirefly]

15. Just one check, and Mrs. Teasdale will pass CitiGroup in the fundraising derby

[rosesaylavee]

38. +1,000,000

[woo me with science]

8. It actually hurts.

The lying, murderous pandering actually hurts.

And I don't even have a drone coming at my face.

[onecaliberal]

10. Bush made ISIS possible.

The illegal fucking war. Running in there with no plan and no thought.

[Ramses]

11. Ive read recently that constructive criticism should only be allowed

So, I am searching for a way to be constructive about a politician who voted for an illegal war that killed over a million people. Do you have any good ideas on how to "constructively criticize" that?

[marym625]

19. +1

And has aligned herself with the author of the End Game Memo.

Uhm. She oughten to have done that. How's that?

[Autumn]

14. Manny be reasonable please. Do you have proof that Glen has eaten kitten feces?

I have never once seen that reported, not even by a handful here that absolutely hate him and go rabid at the mere mention of his name.

[RufusTFirefly]

16. The evidence is in some boxes in Comrade Eddie's garage

Let's deploy some spies to find it

[Autumn]

26. Those boxes are long empty. No self respecting kitten would ever use them.

Unless he has adopted kittens in Russia. But I'm sure that would have made the news.

[marym625]

20. faces. He eats kitty faces.

See? You were just looking up the wrong thing. He is a terrorist.

[RufusTFirefly]

22. Terrorist?! Why, that's too good for him!

He's a Libertarian!

[marym625]

23. my bad!

You are right, of course. Thank you.

Damn him to hell! Kitty faces! Poor kitty.

[Autumn]

29. Oops, is my face ever red.

Come to think of it I'm sure there is an old thread here that says just those things. Eating kitten faces, libertarian, terrorist. Those things all have a lot of things in common. Now I'm gonna go find my glasses.

[marym625]

30. I'm sure there are

Kitten faces are a libertarian terrorist delicacy.

You absolutely cracked me up!

Btw, nice vote this morning

[Autumn]

31. Glad you liked it.

[betterdemsonly]

18. I believe the reason ISIS happened is that we gave too much help to the Syrian rebels.

I think most of them were ISIS. I think that is why the are killing using American weapons.

[tavernier]

21. Dumbest survey I've seen all year.

Are you the cousin who married Rudy G?

[RufusTFirefly]

27. Oh, for heaven's sake. It's only February. There's still plenty of time. n/t

[tavernier]

33. True dat.

So many months, so many wars that Hillary can start before the election.

Thanks for reminding me.

[MannyGoldstein]

36. LOL!

I married MYSELF!

[SidDithers]

24. FUDers gonna FUD...nt

Sid

[MannyGoldstein]

28. Now Sid... did you forget something?

Besides the ?

Like a fact?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

25. Hey!! Giving advanced weapons to Afghan rebels against the Soviets worked ever so well.

Not to mention similar brilliant schemes in Nicaragua (the Contras), Chile (Pinochet), Congo (Lumumba), etc.

[guillaumeb]

32. How does Greenwald like the kitten faces?

Sautéed in butter, in a Cajun style etouffe, perhaps with a nice merlot?

[MannyGoldstein]

35. Sous vide, 141 deg for 90 minutes

A pat of butter, a little salt, and the blood of Liberals in the bag.

Yes, with merlot.

[guillaumeb]

37. did you really just bring up the blood meme?

Can we add a pinch of garlic and some leeks. Would use onion but kitten faces have a very delicate flavor.

[Dragonfli]

34. I can't stand with her, I am poor blue collar, they don't let me into gated communities

or fundraisers put on by billionaire bankers buying deregulation.
Just the sight of me would skeeve her out, she would likely bath in purell and flee soap if she got that close to one so far below her station.

And it saddens me because I love my superiors, I only want to serve them and lick the stains from their drawers

[TheKentuckian]

39. I think you'd feel differently if you got to the salon more often and spent

time with her.
I'd probably make a significant contribution at a fundraiser where you get a met and greet first so you can use it as an icebreaker when you see her out and about in regular social situations.

[HereSince1628]

41. Well NOT on THAT issue. But, I'm not certain she stands with herself on THAT