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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTHREE MINUTES OF TERROR For The Koch Brothers As Bernie Sanders Storms Sunday Show
The short segment on Sen. Sanders highlighted the Vermont Senators anti-Koch message, It is likely in a very short period of time that the Koch brothers themselves will have a strong political presence than Democrats or Republicans. Sanders was asked by ABC News if he thought this was a winnable fight. He answered, Well, I think thats a fair question. I dont want to tilt at windmills. Ive got so much to do. I just think that out there, there are so many people who are hurting, so many people who disillusioned, so many people who are viscerally upset that theyre working longer hours for lower wages and the billionaires are getting richer, and they need a voice.
The ABC segment was short, but it was a good introduction for the rest of the country to Sen. Bernie Sanders. An introduction isnt needed for liberals and progressions, but it was interesting to see corporate-driven Sunday shows give any airtime to Bernie Sanders. This Week didnt dwell on whether or not Sanders will run for president in 2016. They devoted much of the segment to his message. It was refreshing to see Sen. Sanders not treated as a novelty or dismissed. As the country has reacted to the Great Recession by drifting left in its economic thinking, Sen. Sanderss message resonates more with the countrys basic economic populism.
Bernie Sanders is the last person that the Koch brothers want to see on a network Sunday morning show. Sen. Sanders (I-VT) did more damage to the Koch conspiracy to buy control of the federal government in three minutes than almost anyone else could have done in ten. Studies have shown that the Sunday show guests are mostly white male Republicans. One of the reasons why a potential Bernie Sanders presidential candidacy could matter is it could generate a lot of mainstream media attention for the issues of income inequality, money in politics, and the looming Koch-backed oligarchy that is attempting a hostile takeover of nations electoral process.
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http://www.politicususa.com/2015/02/22/minutes-terror-koch-brothers-bernie-sanders-storms-sunday-show.html
Cyrano
(15,033 posts)Maybe a benevolent ruler is what's needed to clean out the sewer that America has become. (But we'd have to put an eight year limit on his kingship.)
mrripley43
(8 posts)Americans can't but we Canadians can, and would in a heartbeat. How about king of North America?
merrily
(45,251 posts)still_one
(92,122 posts)I have no doubt they do not consider Bernie a threat to them
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Koch Kash is King.
still_one
(92,122 posts)think
(11,641 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)But for me, it begins and ends there. It is enough: how
filthy their hands are, under the white gloves of their
philanthropy.
Mika is such a disappointment. She deserves a better life
where she can think and speak for herself in public.
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)She could have quit anytime she chose, but the money is too good, I guess. She deserves no sympathy whatsoever.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)olegramps
(8,200 posts)She is just a typical boot licking corporate whore who will retire with her ill gotten millions. There is no lack of character from these swill.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)This is what she is, she has proven that over many long years. She is a babbling mouthpiece who only occasionally appears the slightest bit progressive and that only because she is juxtaposed against Joe. She is a sycophant, nothing better.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)they may not know what to do.
Bernie's honesty, authentic humility, genuine interest in
the middle class and his message COULD VERY WELL
BREAK THROUGH all across the land.
As good as the mainstream propaganda is, and it is
almost down to a science -- honesty awakens something
smarter inside people.
Stuart G
(38,414 posts)I agree that they do not consider Bernie a threat.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Ran a commercial consistent with the kind of commercials a multinational runs during a high profile scandal on Comedy Central -- The Daily Show -- whose audience is prodominently liberal bloggers (scored the highest regarding "politically informed" and "liberal" on a survery). I do think they are terrified, not of this but much more. Types like this know what they're doing is wrong which is why they're so desperate to keep it a secret but the average person doesn't care. Those that do know Koch, already know what they're up to.
The article would likely to be incredibly difficult to find but there were post-election mailers, controversial in that the letter claimed to know something that exists only on secret state donor rolls, sent out on in a state I in the Northeast US. Something about the letter & envelope was traced to somewhere, something was traced to Alaska, and I there was a very small detail that traced to Koch.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)until it's too late for them to do anything about it.
kacekwl
(7,016 posts)Get's out to more people looking for a new direction. Information is the Koch enemy.
hack89
(39,171 posts)they understand one man one vote. They can buy a lot of votes.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)I'm sure I don't know what they thought would happen when they invited him on that show.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)daredtowork
(3,732 posts)Since MSNBC has declared the era of the "left" is over and is moving toward the fake center that always triangulates right, the left is once again abandoned and invisibled. The best voice it actually has might be on Univision, which doesn't hesitate to get into controversial and popular ramifications of what goes on in Washington - but that's the Spanish channel, so it can't really go mainstream. Other channels that host "left" politics, like RT, have foreign affiliations, and can be accused of delivering foreign propaganda.
We need a strong left-leaning news channel that makes no bones about being pro-union, pro-diversity, pro woman's movement - progressive in every way. All the things a LEFT leaning Democrat is supposed to stand for. A channel that will get behind social security, that won't cringe at the word "entitlements". A channel that defends healthcare. A channel that thinks housing the homeless and repairing the welfare infrastructure wouldn't be a bad thing. A channel that might be willing to consider radical proposals like mincome for all. A channel that will stand up for food stamps and wont let people die in a ditch while we're waiting for politicians to argue things out.
Why do GOP wingnuts get their own channel and solid social uplift proposals DON'T EVEN GET A VOICE because the "not-wingnut" channels are always "moving away" from the strawman of the "lefties".
SOMEBODY NEEDS TO SLAM THE DOOR IN THEIR FACE FOR ONCE!!!
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Don't fall for those stations that run underwriter credits, a euphemism for ads. Although it may not be quite as blatant, they pull their punches just like commercial networks do. The only networks that are truly out of reach of corporate interference are those that depend entirely on listeners/viewers for their funding.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)On the lower end of the channel spectrum where people will see it while channel scanning.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)https://t.freespeech.org/about-us
As for being on the lower end of the spectrum, I'm afraid you might be venturing into Pony Territory with that one.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)If they powered it up with big names and brought in a bigger audience, could they move within walking distance?
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)but are very progressive/liberal and in most part coincide with majority of my views. They also air Thom H. When I was working I was able to listen quite often to Stephanie M, Randi R, Thom H, and other liberal radio talk hosts going to work and back home, but , that station recently turned into another hate radio.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I'd contribute when I could.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)I've been doing an unprecedented amount of posting lately, but I need to shift back to the stuff that puts food on the table. Perhaps when things calm down a little more...
Good idea, though.
Dwight42
(43 posts)We must remember Fairness Doctrine as it prevented the news media from one sided reporting.
When they removed it, it allowed the likes of Fox, Russ and the rest of the democracy haters to present propaganda without any rebuttal and allowed Rupert Murdock to rise to the top of the heap. Not unlike a septic tank where the biggest chunks always rise to the top.
''The Fairness Doctrine was a policy of the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC), introduced in 1949, that required the holders of broadcast licenses to both present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was, in the Commission's view, honest, equitable and balanced. The FCC eliminated the Doctrine in 1987, and in August 2011 the FCC formally removed the language that implemented the Doctrine.''
''It required broadcasters to devote some of their airtime to discussing controversial matters of public interest, and to air contrasting views regarding those matters. Stations were given wide latitude as to how to provide contrasting views: It could be done through news segments, public affairs shows, or editorials. The doctrine did not require equal time for opposing views but required that contrasting viewpoints be presented.''
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)Fairness can always be subverted through using connotations, loaded words, and other ways to manipulate the discourse. I think it's probably better to own up front that you are taking a side in a controversial topic. That way if a voice isn't being represented, it's on the table that the voice isn't present. No Faux Fairness.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)of the media by one corporation or party. That was what ruined our media for good.
I would like to see all progressives and liberals cancel their cable subscriptions. There are lots of alternatives on the internet and things like Netflix. You can subscribes separately to certain programming without subscribing to cable and then hook your television to your computer or use a box like ROKU.
Cancel cable until they have more diverse programming that includes liberal, progressive, educated thought.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Putting another Clinton in the WH won't change it though, that's for sure. Along with BC's bank deregulation & welfare cuts....
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)I don't watch the TV I have. But my housemate pays for it and insists on cable for sports. Set in his ways.
merrily
(45,251 posts)O'Reilly leaps to mind.
And then, we get to talk radio......
Really hard to overcome all that.
nxylas
(6,440 posts)Do you have a source for MSNBC declaring the era of the left to be over? I want to be able to quote it the next time someone plays the "they're just as bad as Fox" false equivalence card.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)Sorry, I don't have it bookmarked. It is a quote from MSNBC, though.
greiner3
(5,214 posts)And also the CrooksandLiars URL it quotes;
http://crooksandliars.com/2015/02/msnbc-source-goal-move-away-left-wing-tv
"MSNBC Source: 'The Goal Is To Move Away From Left-wing TV'"
"It's really not as complicated as you think -- unless, of course, the real goal is to push the ownership's corporate agenda:
As its afternoon shows hosted by Ronan Farrow and Joy Reid are canceled due to poor ratings, MSNBC is reportedly planning to replace Chris Hayes with Rachel Maddow.
It was hardly a surprise Thursday when ratings-challenged MSNBC announced the cancellation of the poor-performing afternoon programs hosted by Ronan Farrow and Joy Reid after less than a year, with veteran news anchor Thomas Roberts stepping in to preside over the two-hour block from 1 p.m. to 3 p.m.
Until a permanent replacement is named for Robertss 5:30 a.m. program Way Too Early, the 6 a.m. Morning Joe hosts Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski will temporarily take up the slack by starting a half-hour earlier. But according to knowledgeable sources at the Comcast-owned cable network, Thursdays moves were only the opening salvo in a wider programming shakeup.
In the relatively near term, two well-placed sources predicted to The Daily Beast, Chris Hayes will be relieved of his weak-performing 8 p.m. show All In, to be replaced by the current 9 p.m. host of The Rachel Maddow Show, while a talent search is currently underway to fill the prime-time slot to be vacated by Maddow.An MSNBC spokespersonwho tried put a happy face on the demotions with talk of prime-time specials and multiplatform national reporting for the still-employed Farrow and Reid--declined to comment on the Hayes-Maddow scenario."
Bookmarked.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)in how it relates to America. I can't remember the name or the show title or the journalist but she is a "pundit/journalist" which is very similar to the type of shows on the 24/7 networks. (I remember the show opens with a graphic of bombs labeled CNN, Fox, MSNBC "Weapons of Mass Disinformation" .
At-the-end of a show, she interviewed an US diplomat to Iraq that I wish more networks provided interviews instead of those god-awful Generals that were part of an organized Pentagon Propaganda operation. They also hired Larry King who continues to ask questions, doesn't bring his opinion "to the air". RT grants a lot of Jesse Ventura interviews, I saw Sibel Edmunds on there, Bill Maher on Larry King. I saw Ron Paul once, start talking economics & Libertarians quickly lose me but they do make some sense when it comes to foreign policy.
I can't recall who else, Oliver Stone was one.
These are top stories on the RT US section
Texas prison riot: 2,800 inmates to be moved from now uninhabitable facility
After 2,000 inmates, mostly immigrants, took over a Texas prison in a riot over poor medical services, federal authorities have decided to relocate all the detainees from the now uninhabitable correctional facility.
The riot at the Willacy County Correctional Center erupted on Friday afternoon, when prisoners refused to eat breakfast or report for work to protest medical services at the facility.
The prison was practically run over by the inmates, who continue to hold down the fort. It still remains unclear what medical service issues had upset the inmates. Only around 800 to 900 inmates have refused to riot in a facility that holds some 2,900 people, most of whom are immigrants with criminal record.
Negotiations were ongoing Saturday in an effort to regain complete controlof the prison after multiple agencies, including federal and state authorities, became involved in securing the perimeter, said Ed Ross, a spokesman for the US Bureau of Prisons. The spokesman added that prisoners are now compliant, but might be moved to other institutions as damage from rioting made the facilityuninhabitable.
http://rt.com/usa/234471-texas-uninhabitable-prison-riot/
Given that the report lacks assertions as to what specific issues are why they're rioting it is hard to claim that it is propaganda with the exception there is a reason why RT choose to list it at-the-top. As you can see what type of stories RT priorities is the important stories the corporate US media downplays or omits.
US wants to slow down Afghanistan troop withdrawal
Washington is considering shifting the deadline for troop its withdrawal from Afghanistan to make sure the progress from over 13 years of US operations in the country sticks, the new US Defense Secretary said during a surprise visit to Kabul.
Our priority now is to make sure this progress sticks, Defense Secretary Ashton Carter said in a news conference in Kabul with Afghan President Ashraf Ghani. That is why President Obama is considering a number of options to reinforce our support for President Ghanis security strategy, including possible changes to the timeline for our drawdown of US troops.
Under the current arrangement, the 11,000-strong US force should be cut to roughly 5,000 by the end of 2015, before pulling out altogether the following year, when Obama will leave office. By the end of 2016 the US military presence is expected to shrink to a normal embassy security contingent.
Obama is scheduled to visit Kabul next month, where Ghani will likely discuss US troop numbers with the American leader in the context of the larger partnership.
http://rt.com/usa/234467-troops-withdrawal-timeline-afghanistan/
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)Is it possible that some Republicans want to encourage Senator Sanders to run to weaken Hillary for the General Election? I'm not at all suggesting that he shares this view.
Or is this a genuine attempt to address issues that are usually skirted?
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)it seems possible they would foolishly encourage him to
run, because they are kind of stupid and don't have a clue
what is going on across the country.
Sanders is genuine.
erronis
(15,228 posts)actually listen to the populist and progressive messages and respond directly.
Bernie is putting a lot of important stuff on the table and unless Hillary (or other anointed figure) starts to talk and act like they understand this stuff they're going to be nothing more than political puff-balls.
I Am Not A Political Watcher, but it seems eerily quiet on the Democratic front. Is there some "surprise" coming up? Or is it just that things are locked into place in the party?
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)They flew Hillary without a net. She went over like a lead balloon. There is no back up plan, so they keep trying to push Hillary back up. And they will keep trying through the election. The outcome is pretty predictable.
Considering how the GOP shot themselves in both feet with the Government shutdown, this party pretty much pulled Defeat from the jaws of Victory. I don't see how this is recoverable.
/Eeyore.
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)On the other hand, you can see where corporate interests would use him to weaken Hillary to help Jeb, who is of course, their preference. I think it's both actually.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)It's a genuine effort to get the most experienced potential candidate to run. Bernie Sanders has more national and international experience than any other potential candidate.
Hillary served in the Senate only a short time. She lived in the White House and met a lot of people and was Secretary of State for four years, but Bernie Sanders was the mayor of a city in Vermont, then served in the House and Senate. He is the ranking member of the budget committee and understands the details of our policies.
Bernie Sanders is really the most serious of the candidates. He does not require 200 advisers to tell him what to say. He speaks for himself from his own knowledge.
I want Bernie to run because I want honest government. I want Bernie to run because he is on the side of the middle class and does not get paid $20,000 just to give a speech. I want Bernie to run because he understands veterans' issues and the real cost of war. I want Bernie to run because he is genuinely intelligent.
And most of all, I want Bernie to run because he would appoint good people to offices like Sec. of State, Sec. of the Treasury, etc. He would appoint qualified people who would not necessarily, not all of them, be part of the usual crowd that the Clintons and Obama have appointed and who made the mess we are in as a country.
It isn't a matter of hating Hillary. It is a matter of wanting a better future for our country than Hillary and her tried and tired cronies can deliver.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Depaysement
(1,835 posts)I agree with you but I was addressing why he was actually given so much time by the corporate media to deliver his message.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,889 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)The Kochs are trying to corner the market on ... political
control of the country?
I don't think they were factoring in the internet when
they launched their scheme. Nor human heart and
conscience. They will be the biggest losers in the end.
Xipe Totec
(43,889 posts)Glad you interpreted the analogy
zentrum
(9,865 posts)
.the word "socialist" was mentioned so many times, as well as Eugene Debs, I think is a way to immunize Joe Middle against him, since the word has been so demonized since the 50's in this country. What was one of the worse things they could call Obama?Socialist! Oooh, scary.
But great to see Bernie in this AM slot. A glimmer of hope.
I regret that everyone around him was only white. Guess that's what a typical Iowa caucus looks like. And that's the place where a presidential bid begins? Why is it in Iowa at all ever? Why not some more representative place? Wow.
2naSalit
(86,524 posts)but the demographic isn't all that different there either. I think Iowa might be a tad more progressive but don't quote me on that. There are people of color in those places but they seem to be invisible physically and figuratively.
was more progressive during the Depression I think. Involved with the Farmer's Union, a very progressive organization. But died out as most unions have. Now is Foxified, I believe.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)
.Party used to speak! All you have to do is imagine our own history.
My theory has always been that we'd still be a progressive party if Johnson, who was so good domestically, hadn't kept us in the VietNam war. He turned off a whole generation of young, upcoming Democrats, who I think just became kind of tuned out and a-political since the Democratic Party was no longer trustable. He was the best post-war Democratic President and the Worst.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)also signed the Civil Rights Act. It was the Civil Rights Act that really caused problems for Democrats. Still does in the South.
The Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Pub.L. 88352, 78 Stat. 241, enacted July 2, 1964) is a landmark piece of civil rights legislation in the United States[5] that outlawed discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.[6] It ended unequal application of voter registration requirements and racial segregation in schools, at the workplace and by facilities that served the general public (known as "public accommodations" .
Powers given to enforce the act were initially weak, but were supplemented during later years. Congress asserted its authority to legislate under several different parts of the United States Constitution, principally its power to regulate interstate commerce under Article One (section 8), its duty to guarantee all citizens equal protection of the laws under the Fourteenth Amendment and its duty to protect voting rights under the Fifteenth Amendment. The Act was signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson on July 2, 1964, at the White House.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
As we all know, race is still the big hurdle to rational government and rational voting in the South and even in some other parts of the country. We have a long way to go in some parts of the country in dealing with the race issue. It's way past time that people leave racism behind. But the truth is that we still have to deal with that ugly problem.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)It was the defection of the Southern white working class from the party of FDR, whom they loved. Guess they had their priorities.
I really don't see why the rest of the country doesn't want the South to secede. They harm the whole country so much through the Senate with its equal representation no matter how few people live there. Our government's structure from day one had protection of Slavery and it's legacy---racism---baked into the cake.
Wish that all normal people of the South would get out there and vote in huge numbers for every election and overwhelm the polls. But as we know, they don't.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)The fact that they don't, even in the face of the escalating crisis being inflicted on millions and millions of us, is the blinding signal of the depth of the monied corruption of the party.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Overseas
(12,121 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Then came Clinton, ushering in the DLC and the party changed mightily...becoming little more than a clone of the GOP.
mountain grammy
(26,614 posts)Can a Bernie Sanders' candidacy overcome the stupid in America? We'll see. I hope so.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)JackHughes
(166 posts)I love Bernie Sanders and agree with everything he says. But if he runs for president he should do it as a Democrat. Unlike a third party or independent effort, the Dems are already on the ballot in every state. If Sanders can't convince enough Democratic primary voters to win the nomination, he'd never be able to win the general election.
If Sanders runs as an independent he will only succeed in splitting the progressive vote and putting a Republican in the White House.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)There is a distinct absence of political delusion, arrogance,
egomaniacal ambition. He is being very careful with this
decision. It's not about whether the big money is going to
back him. He wants to know if the people want this message
and this kind of change. That will be his fuel. I doubt he
would be a spoiler, give the Republicans and Kochs any more
advantage.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)forthemiddle
(1,379 posts)I live in Mid Wisconsin, so obviously in one of the more conservative parts of the state. But I have to tell you that after three elections with Walker winning them all, the term "Koch Brothers" has become a drinking game around here. They are the boogie man with no staying power. Maybe for the rest of the country it will be different, but just saying the Koch Brothers has lost its effectiveness and peoples eyes gloss over.
Now maybe if Bernie Sander or Elizabeth Warner could become the candidate it would be different, but if Hillary comes in with her Goldman Sachs billions the Koch Brothers agenda will be mute.
My opinion only, and maybe because it has been over saturated here, but let's get over the Koch Brothers. We need a new meme.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)But you are not the common man, I hope that's not an insult.
The largest part of the population barely knows about their
influence and control of politicians.
forthemiddle
(1,379 posts)But to listen even the NPR talk shows, and every other caller says Koch Brothers, Koch Brothers, Koch Brothers.
It has truly become the boogie man with no teeth around here.
I just don't know if I can stand to listen to it for two more years, and I am one of those sympathetic to the message.
Maybe there is a reason I am not a political consultant though LOL.
Gumboot
(531 posts)... but we're not allowed to say that here.
Whatever ticket he runs on, he's got my vote - Democrat, Green, or independent.
The candidate with the right ideas is what counts for me, not their party affiliation.
certainot
(9,090 posts)his populism, if he starts giving the kochs indigestion, republicon radio will start the process of attacking him.
and because the left/liberals/dems have always ignored the rw radio attack machine when it attacked its candidates, it will do more damage than it should and when it's over the left will not collectively be able to say it "got bernie's back" against the rights/kochs best weapon.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)It's such a routine thing for the right-wing radio to vilify and destroy Democrats that it just isn't even an issue. Not something to think about.
Hillary will suffer the most from the right-wing radio attacks.
Bernie is a nice, gentle guy. He has no arrogance, no pretensions. Hard to stick bad stuff on him. They can try, but Bernie, like Obama, will just brush it off.
Hillary is the one with the thin skin who can be riled. That's what the talk shows want. That is what raises their ratings, increases their listening audiences.
certainot
(9,090 posts)those issues he will be trying to give time to. any time they want they can get thousands of people attacking the MSM media elements that bernie will need to break through the acceptable. they can turn any little hiccup into another "dean scream". they'll make stuff up to distract MSM from the real stuff. they'll use talk radio to keep the debate to the right.
it's routine because we allowed it. we've nearly lost democracy because we've ignored it. because we didnt think about it we don't have single payer and have lost two decades dealing with global warming. and the opposition is dominated by loons that have succeeded in politics only because they are in tune with the alternate reality that only rw radio can create.
hillary has been getting it for two decades and would probably have us with single payer if not for it.
if the left ignores rw radio again as usual for 2016, as usual the left will have to depend on luck and chance truth and common sense to somehow overcome the well timed coordinated tens of millions strong alternate reality the MSM and our corporate politicians need to enable them to keep us going on the suicide path.
certainot
(9,090 posts)all those stations, with so many of them dependent on state funded schools, to take free pot shots at bernie?
that sticks and stones free speech thing doesn't work vs 1000 coordinated radio stations and the left should have figured that out a long time ago.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)radio that was fair to Democrats.
Bad decisions make for bad results.
Hillary will have the same problem that Bernie will have.
We need a strategy to deal with it like lots of people on the streets talking to voters. I don't think that bad right-wing radio coverage is a reason to prefer Hillary to Bernie or Elizabeth Warren.
certainot
(9,090 posts)not have been anywhere near as effective. they already started their monopoly before clinton did his stupid part. and talk radio played a big part with the clinton 'scandals' that were used to hamstring him, push him right, and get him to do shit like that.
the left was so stupid about rw radio even without the telcom act the right would have (and already started) bought up all those stations anyway under more more owners- they already had proof of its effectiveness.
blaming clinton for the problem is a cop out. the problem isn't that his actions contributed, the problem is the left continues the biggest political mistake in history, considering the time lost on global warming alone, not to mention the multi trillion dollar wars, etc..
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)..Pat Leahy being the senior Senator from Vermont. I've met Bernie a couple of times, and I've followed his career since he was the mayor of Burlington. Believe me, he's the real deal.
GO, BERNIE!
JEB
(4,748 posts)What he says is so obvious, I wonder why nobody else is saying the same or similar stuff.
Ramses
(721 posts)The 1% wont tolerate his kind of honesty for long.
Bernie him implied as much saying we would all need to get behind him and the challenge is enormous. He knows the jeopardy of speaking against the Capitalist Police States of America
Duval
(4,280 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Bernie must run as a Democrat. He will then proceed to kick Hillary's ass.
Yay, Bernie!
dilby
(2,273 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)dilby
(2,273 posts)He will split the progressive vote if he runs as an Independent and should be shamed and spit upon if he does that.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)on not only economic, but social and political issues that sure backs up Bernie. They both have fire in the belly, too, which is an absolute must when trying to turn around a behemoth like our bloated economic system or stave off the Eurozone ... and the people who depend on it.
It sure brings one out of our national coma of denial. I'd love for Bernie to run, but it is getting a bit late.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Not sure why they've been so open to him, when they won't even cover most of what Obama has to say. And this was not one of those shows as they did with Warren, trying to make her Obama's nemesis (Chuck Todd).
AFAIK, they have not edited him out as they have PBO. While I suspect their reasons, perhaps a little daylight will get through?
I never fail to cite data on what the Koch brothers do that hurts Americans no matter what their complaint du jour is.
The cost of generics; their work* to get rid of public schools, parks, the USPS, Social Security, SNAP, Medicare, Medicaid, the rights of women and minorities, etc.
The list is out there with their Libertarian platform. It really makes people think of what big money is doing and how it's getting down to the wire now for all of us. Time is not on our side in this.
*Through their politicians, media and organizations.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)by corporate media reporters. Instead of news, they're trying to hype shit.
Alkene
(752 posts)NuttyFluffers
(6,811 posts)tomsaiditagain
(105 posts)wants to rule the world. The only way to stop them is through voting. Voting is not an undertaking by millions of citizens in the USA. No votes, we lose every time.