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YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 04:03 PM Feb 2015

Am I the only one who finds it frustrating that we focus *so much* on the presidential election?

In case you didn't know....both houses of Congress are now controlled by far-right Republicans. And besides, the majority of legislation in the country happens at the state level, where ALEC is busily drafting up all kinds of heinous shit (I'm sorry, "model" legislation) in all these Republican-dominated state capitols that will affect you, me, and damn near everyone else in this country in a negative way, in terms of economic and social policy. Far-right Republican Governors are a dime-a-dozen these days; I can't keep track of how many there are! And that's to say nothing of all the bullshit that happens at the local "nonpartisan" level.

I'm not saying that the Presidency isn't important. It's very important, particularly in regards to foreign policy and the federal courts (especially the US Supreme Court, which is also dominated by right-wingers, in case you didn't know!), and for vetoing Republican bills. But let's not put all of our eggs in one basket. Let's not invest so much into the outcome of the Presidency, that we forget about all the other branches and levels of government.

-My $0.02.


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Am I the only one who finds it frustrating that we focus *so much* on the presidential election? (Original Post) YoungDemCA Feb 2015 OP
I'd like to see sharp focus on strengthening election PROCESS and party INFRASTRUCTURE blm Feb 2015 #1
Agreed YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #2
Exactly right Bagsgroove Feb 2015 #3
This edhopper Feb 2015 #12
Yes bigwillq Feb 2015 #4
This is a national indeed international board, most of us don't know the details of local politics Fumesucker Feb 2015 #5
When we have the likes of Al Fromm Wellstone ruled Feb 2015 #6
I totally agree, 100 percent BainsBane Feb 2015 #7
Personality politics Bagsgroove Feb 2015 #8
Look at the difference between Republican rhetoric and Democratic rhetoric Fumesucker Feb 2015 #13
So the solution is to be more like the Republicans? Interesting. YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #16
Anti-war? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #18
Amerca isn't going to change in 2016 as far as economics and the better life. mmonk Feb 2015 #9
Amen! treestar Feb 2015 #10
If I had my way, all we would talk about is the shitty repukes and their shitty ways. Rex Feb 2015 #11
It is a national problem. herding cats Feb 2015 #14
Yep. Agree 100%. I've found the state boards to be pretty good for spreading the word about local Chathamization Feb 2015 #15
K&R Jamaal510 Feb 2015 #17

blm

(114,661 posts)
1. I'd like to see sharp focus on strengthening election PROCESS and party INFRASTRUCTURE
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 04:07 PM
Feb 2015

state by state, instead of letting GOP dominate every aspect of the election process in most states including the swing states that they are manipulating at will.

Bagsgroove

(231 posts)
3. Exactly right
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 04:47 PM
Feb 2015

The most important (and disastrous) election in the past quarter century was in the non-presidential year of 2010. That was the year when Republicans took control of a majority of state legislatures, and it happened right at the same time that congressional redistricting was mandated following the 2010 census.

The 2010 off-year election victories gave the GOP state legislatures the opportunity to draw so many safe Republican districts that their control of the U.S. House of Representatives is virtually guaranteed for at least another decade.

The advantage the Democratic Party has in the U.S. is that its base is larger than the Republican base. The advantage the Republican Party has is that its base votes. In every election.



 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
4. Yes
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 04:54 PM
Feb 2015

It's a message board. Don't like it---start threads that you will enjoy. Hide thread, ignore, trash can are all options.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
5. This is a national indeed international board, most of us don't know the details of local politics
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 05:01 PM
Feb 2015

I don't have the time in the first place to research every Senator and Congressman from every state, every issue on every state ballot.

President and VP are the only two true national elected figures so that's what a national political board is going to focus on, national figures, national politics, national issues.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
6. When we have the likes of Al Fromm
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 05:06 PM
Feb 2015

Debbie Wassermann-Schultz dictating Policy and Agenda,what do you expect. This is nothing more than the 13 state strategy that failed us once before. Some how,the Dems must find the resources to change the Gerrymandered Districts at the state level. Said this before,this was the GOP's game plan since the voting rights act passed in the sixties. By using a suttle message of White only Minority Rule coupled with a dash of Racism,what you see is the results of complacency and apathy,with a healthy dose of Oh Well. The one statement coming out of Dem Central Committees that used to burn me was,well they can't screw things up to much and we will get this back next time. Yah,right.

BainsBane

(57,760 posts)
7. I totally agree, 100 percent
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 05:32 PM
Feb 2015

I consider it a sort of childlike obsession. It ignores the way political power is wielded in this country, how state legislative elections are crucial to the redistricting that determines the composition of the House. A President has limited power in our system. If people want real change, they have to start with lower offices. If they want to get money out of politics, we need a constitutional amendment to require pubic financing of elections. Electing or defeating Hillary Clinton is neither the cause or solution. The problem, however, is that many seem to care much more about personalities than policy or particular causes.

Bagsgroove

(231 posts)
8. Personality politics
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 07:06 PM
Feb 2015
The problem, however, is that many seem to care much more about personalities than policy or particular causes.


Exactly on point. When the Democrats have a charismatic, attractive, charming presidential candidate (Obama, Clinton) the base will rouse itself from playing video games and go to the polls. While they're in the booth, they'll also pull the lever for the other Democrats on the ballot. So we get a president who comes in to office with a majority in congress and can get some things done.

The problem is that two years later -- when the President they voted for last time is not on the ballot -- those same voters can't be bothered to show up for the mid-term elections. So Democrats elect a president, then two years later we stay home and let the Republicans elect a congressional majority dedicated to making our president a failure.

The bulk of Obama's accomplishments as President came in his first two years, then his own voters let him down by not voting in the off-year elections for a congress that would support his agenda. We can blame the Republicans for this, but the fault is largely our own.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
13. Look at the difference between Republican rhetoric and Democratic rhetoric
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 10:01 PM
Feb 2015

Republicans reliably throw red ideological meat to their base, they keep them in thrall by at least sounding as if they are on the same side as their base. Republican may hold their base in contempt and think they are a bunch of cretins but they pander to the base non stop.

Democrats on the other hand don't do that to nearly the same extent, they take the base for granted and throwing red ideological meat to the Democratic base would hurt the astoundingly fragile fee fees of their big campaign donors and dry up the money spigot.

Hillary has 200 economic advisers who have one goal, come up with something that will pander to the Democratic base while simultaneously not alarming their big contributors, a nearly intractable chore at this point in time.

You might recall that Obama privately assured the Canadian government that his campaign promise to the Democratic base to renegotiate NAFTA was nothing but campaign rhetoric.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
16. So the solution is to be more like the Republicans? Interesting.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 11:09 PM
Feb 2015

And just for the record: the Democratic Party voter base is a lot more diverse-in a lot of ways-than, say, this message board. That says more about this board than the Democratic Party, IMO.

What's Obama's approval rating among Democrats as a whole (not DU'ers)? Who is the leading candidate for 2016?

And as far as trade policy goes and treaties with other countries: that's never really been a partisan issue. The Democrats are not, and have never been, a remotely anti-capitalist party. And as far as "taking votes for granted" goes, let's put that in historical perspective. Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry Truman, and yes, even John F. Kennedy, more often than not, took the votes of black Americans (outside the South, where Jim Crow effectively barred black Americans from the franchise) for granted, and broke campaign promises to their constituents for political expediency.

It took decades of struggle at all levels of politics and government to achieve civil and political rights for African-Americans, and none of it would have been possible without immense pressure from persistent and tenacious grassroots organizers-you know, ordinary people getting involved at all levels of politics (broadly defined). The same goes for any movement, whether it be feminism or LGBT or labor or anti-war or environmentalism or anything else.

All this is to say: Why is anyone remotely surprised (let alone "disappointed" as if you somehow expected or hoped for a different outcome) that, when Democrats are now weaker at all levels of government, when Democrats are weak in terms of grassroots party infrastructure-to say nothing of the decline of grassroots social movements that could put pressure on Democrats-the leading politicians and office-holders in the Democratic Party take money from Wall Street banks or from Corporate America (as if that was ever NOT the case in American politics for BOTH parties, to one extent or another!). The more affluent Americans are the ones who participate fully in politics, rather than simply voting once every few years (which is the LEAST someone can do).

The politicians respond to those who participate in the process. It's just that the wealthy, well-educated, and well-connected are the ones who participate in the process at a far higher rate than everyone else. Not hard to figure this out.

The question, therefore, that you (broadly-not you personally) should be asking yourself, is: why have so many of the social movements that have ALWAYS been the ONLY reason for why there is any real social change, reform, or indeed, progress-why do those social movements not exist in the way they did in past decades (whether it be the 1930s or the 1960s-1970s or any other period). Once everyone starts addressing that question, then maybe we can move forward from there.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
18. Anti-war?
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 11:45 PM
Feb 2015

We've been at war for fifteen years with no end whatsoever in sight and the presumptive Democratic nominee is a person who either was fooled by the vast and subtle intellect of Dubya and the forthright honesty of Cheney or voted for war out of personal political calculation. Anti-war is a sick and extremely unfunny joke at this point.

For more than a decade I was related by marriage to a politically connected family in my local area, the amount of casual everyday corruption I heard about without even trying was staggering. I seriously doubt my area is all that different from the rest of the nation in that regard.

If you control the information someone gets you can largely control them and how they think. These days six corporations own virtually all the media outlets in the country and those six companies aren't remotely liberal. A variety of propaganda techniques have been used to keep the population at each others' throats. Divide and conquer, it's a cliche but it got that way by being very true.

You may have read recently that Rush Limbaugh is in some degree of trouble, back in 2012 I posted a practical guide to getting Rush off the air as explained by a radio insider. I got 240 recs and I know from PM's I got from other DUers that the information was passed on. I'm doing my part to overcome the media lock on information, many of the things I learn here I pass on in my local area when they are appropriate.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002374653




mmonk

(52,589 posts)
9. Amerca isn't going to change in 2016 as far as economics and the better life.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 07:16 PM
Feb 2015

It is going to take a movement. There is not going to be a reversible direction for most Americans, especially with declining median income without a larger change. Sorry to rain on anyone's parade. The lifting will have to be done by the people in the streets and organizing.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
10. Amen!
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 09:48 PM
Feb 2015

Totally with you. If Congress is Republican, what does it matter if the most pure progressive who ever progressed is President?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
11. If I had my way, all we would talk about is the shitty repukes and their shitty ways.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 09:56 PM
Feb 2015

In case nobody noticed yet, I might have a few issues with GOPukers and the way the live and think. Call it a bias if you will. I don't really fucking care. And if people are offended by my words toward the GOP...maybe skip or put me on ignore? I'm not going to stop calling them sheeple or shitheads or whatever the fuck I feel like at the time.

YES, YES, YES...one more time...YES! We take our eye off the ball when we start all this bullshit infighting YEARS before any ponies even MAKE IT TO THE FUCKING GATE.

CONGRESS FOLKS...the place that fucks us over, consistently, for the good of their special interest groups and lobbying FIRMS. Not just this guy or this gal...huge billion dollar corporations that only care about what their CEO tells them.

herding cats

(20,050 posts)
14. It is a national problem.
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 10:41 PM
Feb 2015

Voter turn out in midterms is always bad, but when it's a presidential election year a lot of people decide to speak up again and turn out. Some people blame it on the media, but I don't buy that excuse. They benefit from a ratings/advertising boost in midterm elections as well. It's apathy for the most part, which is sometimes validated in the voters minds by how their vote won't change anything anyway, so why bother voting in the first place, etc. On the flip side of that coin is, their party has it wrapped up in their state of residence so they don't have to bother going to the polls this election.

I've seen also a bit of confusion as to how the political process actually works recently too. Some people are being swept up in the recent propaganda the president is responsible for creating legislation. Such is the nonsense which spreads across social media daily. Not just influencing it, or in some cases being able to stall it, but is the entity in government which actually drafts it. This is partially how the RW has managed to keep their less knowledgeable followers on fire against Obama. In 2016 they'll just redirect this lack of knowledge in our political system to the Democratic candidate for president. It's scary when you stop and think about it. They don't even understand the basics of the process, but they're sure as hell going to vote for their candidate anyway!

If we (the majority of Democratic voters) really cared about the course of this country we'd be actively involved at all stages of the process, from the bottom up. We should be on fire to get a chance to bring candidates up we want to see elected. Staring with our local races where our voices have the most power, to our state elections and finally our national one. That's the only way we're ever going to create any sort of lasting change, we have to show our party we're serious about what we want. The way to do that is by changing who our local governments have representing us first; doing so changes the tone of discussion and as such the minds of the people, but getting that message across is increasingly exhausting in today's political climate.

Chathamization

(1,638 posts)
15. Yep. Agree 100%. I've found the state boards to be pretty good for spreading the word about local
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 10:42 PM
Feb 2015

elections (at least, I can get more people listening from 30 minutes there than I can from knocking on the door for days). A lot of change is going to come from the local level, and a lot of what's going wrong happens on the local level (including things people complain about after they ignore the causes - the elections of the people who elected Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the primaries that get ignored until people get pissed about the results, etc.).

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