C'mon, Democratic Party----Nominate Bernie Sanders, and CHANGE MY LIFE

[nikto]

Inj past elections, I have given $$ to campaigns, signed petitions and voted.

But if Bernie Sanders is nominated for president, I make this vow:

****I will give 10-times the money I have given in past elections, to the Sanders campaign.
****I will join phone banks and make weeks worth of phone calls to voters around the country.
****I will walk the streets, knock on many doors, and talk to many people about the importance of voting for Bernie
Sanders.
****I will go to rallies, and make my voice heard, in support of the Sanders campaign.
****I will carry placards, put up posters, and distribute buttons and bumper-stickers in support of the Sanders
campaign.
****I will monitor a local polling place, to ensure that voter intimidation/disqualification against the Sanders
campaign, is NOT being done.
****I will write letters to my local newspapers and media in support of the Sanders campaign.


And...
I will regain my personal sense of respect and regard for The Democratic Party, which I have steadily lost much of,
since the "3rd-way"-dominated Clinton years.


C'mon, Democratic Party------DO IT!!!!


Nominate Bernie, or be all but dead to me, forever-more.




Who else is with me on this?

[VanillaRhapsody]

1. Bernie is not a Democrat...

and WE here ARE Democrats....

[ms liberty]

9. if he runs, he will run as a democrat...

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And speaking as someone who has been here a very long time, as an independent who caucuses with the democrats all the way back to his days in the House, Bernie has been appreciated and supported by Dems and by DU for many years... because he really does stand with and for us, and always has. WE at DU pledge to support the Democratic candidate in the general election or suspend our participation at DU. WE are a diverse group comprising progressive, liberal, moderate, socialist leaning, and even sometimes conservative democrats. YOUR oft-repeated assertions that any Bernie (and Liz Warren for that matter) supporters are not "real" democrats and your derogatory phrases regarding the same, is borne from your dislike of any potential legitimate competition for the nomination of your preferred candidate, a support that borders on idolatry. You're free to categorize any of us in to whatever slots you choose, but that doesn't mean your viewpoint is correct or accurate, or representative of all democrats, or all DU'ers. And judging from the popularity here at DU of OP's, comments, and polls that are pro Bernie and/or Liz W, your view does not express a majority of our members anyway. I find you tiresome, disagreeable, and very often uncivil to anyone whose opinion you do not share and the more you try to advocate for HRC, the less inclined I am to consider HRC as a potential candidate. On the positive side, at least you've finally quit writing every freakin' word in caps...it got old having to read you shout all the time.

[VanillaRhapsody]

22. and yet...he still is NOT!

Hillary Rodham Clinton on the other hand....IS! And I don't care WHAT you are tired of!

[AtomicKitten]

63. Relax.

No need to work yourself up into a tizzy

Bernie Sanders can and will do whatever he wants including running as a Democrat. He has earned that privilege because he has caucused with the Democrats and voted with the Democrats. He also had the good sense oppose the Iraq War Resolution.

[VanillaRhapsody]

64. No tizzy here....YOU are the one proclaiming what YOU are tired of....

but that is the usual tactic when you have lost the argument....accuse the opponent of being unhinged....

so cliche...

[AtomicKitten]

68. here ya go

[VanillaRhapsody]

69. I have mine....one of ours actually fits someone who supports a candidate that may still run...

and the other of us doesn't!

[ms liberty]

85. Do you think Atomic Kitten posted the reply you are responding to here...

Or are you referring to a discussion from a different thread? If you are referring to post #9 above , that post was not from Atomic Kitten, it was mine...just as an FYI, when you hit reply, the name of the DU'er whose post you're responding to appears at the top of the page.
Now to respond to your comments: I did not say I was "tired" of your all-caps posts, I said they got a little old. Those words do not always express the same meaning or emotions, and in the context of my comments, those words convey two very different meanings: to get "old" implies a feeling best described as "oh, there's VR again with the shouting; scroll, scroll, scroll and move past it" whereas to get "tired" implies a feeling best described as "jeez, again with this rude, antagonistic and insulting comments?"
As far as your response that Bernie is not registered as a Democrat, you are correct. He's maintained his independent registration for years while describing himself as a democratic socialist. He caucuses with the dems, and has proven repeatedly that he is on the side of the people who have been the heart, soul, and base of our party since FDR at least; and he has consistently adhered to the core principles and values of our party. Changing his party affiliation would not require any radical realignment of his world view or policy positions.
And finally, if your reply actually was referring to my post, you owe me an apology...I did not accuse you of being unhinged, nor would I. What I did say was that my experiences with your commentary and attitude here at DU leaves me with the impression that you are a really unpleasant individual with a tendency to verbally bully and belittle those with whom you disagree , and you fancy yourself a leader of the party purity police. That I do not like you is unsurprising; I'm strongly anti-authoritarian and I've always had a dislike for people who act like bullies, even on a relatively anonymous website as DU.

[Divernan]

90. Well stated.

[Thinkingabout]

104. Bernie is not prepared to take on the presidency if the US as recently proven in his

NO vote on ISIS Resolution. Congressional members receive much more information in briefings than is stated in the media and the information given on the media is enough to require action. He may nit want to be a part of war but sometimes it is required to protect this nation, a big part of being the president.

[nikto]

16. In terms of the "FDR Spirit", he is far more a Democrat than Hillary and the 3rd-way "GOP-Liters"

[VanillaRhapsody]

23. and yet....he is NOT one!

regardless...

[nikto]

86. If he could show mass-support, that can be easily remedied

He'd have to win some primaries 1st, obviously.
The Party could take him in, although it would have to be over objections from the big corporate donors
and mega-Bank$ (who love Hillary).

I think he could do it.

He just needs a chance.

[Hekate]

101. "He just needs a chance"? He just needs to re-register. nt

[Dragonfli]

19. For a new member you sure have decxided you are queen hall monitor

Do you have anything to say other than what thew rest of us should be doing?
Do you even realize politics is not just some sport but is about policy that effects everyone's lives?

WE all know his only shot is to run as a Democrat, he knows it as well, so give it a rest and go micromanage your best friends neighbors closet.

Itf that right wing hack you support can run as a D, someone that actually gives a shit about the low life lower class scum like me can run as one as well, only he would do it while supporting the best of Democratic values.

You may be comfortable in your white picket neighborhood and are secure in your finances for now, but this right wing policy shit is killing people like me, it is life or death for us so let us at least dream of some help from the mostly useless to us political millionaires club.

[VanillaRhapsody]

24. Not a new member....

a new participant...I have been reading for years....I decided to participate when I saw that the minority Left Leaning Independents were attempting a coup on this site....

But I on the other hand have been a lifelong Democrat...

So yeah....whatever...

[Dragonfli]

38. It is the RIGHT that is a minority, the left has been with the party since FDR

And you are pretty new to me, I have known members here that you try to bully with your false sense of authority for over ten years!

They were here for the fight against Bush and his illegal war, where the fuck were you newbie hall monitor? You just lurked until you could attack progressives but felt no need apparently to join in the fight against the war criminals that destroyed the country, or so it would appear by your own admission above.

You joined the fight a bit late to be criticizing people for standing up for DEMOCRATIC principles, sneering at the left like a Rush Limpball clone spouting "libruul" as an insult at practically everyone that just does not absolutely adore Friedmanomics. (clever replacing the sneer word with "the left", but I still hear Rush's voice in my head when you type it as you carry the same disdain for the same people)

You are not fooling anybody on the left rightie, just because you don't care who people sleep with doses not make you a liberal as you still support right wing economic, war, and anti civil liberty policies.

So yeah....whatever...

[VanillaRhapsody]

39. If you are on the Far Left...you are also a Minority.....

just like the Far Right is on the Republican side....

Also there are NO Liberal Republicans to be found....meanwhile....LIBERAL Democrats support Hillary Clinton because she leads the entire pack by over 50 points! So now that puts YOU and everyone else who claims they won't vote for her.... in a minority doesn't it?

[Dragonfli]

46. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, I am Democratic left, same for 40 years

The "far left" is not what you think it is, FDR was not "far left", do you even know what far left is?
You are right, I am left, Republicans of this era are far right (they used to be called Mussolini style fascists), Communists are far left, get it straight and stop trying to redefine the entire political spectrum just so that you, a rightie can claim to be left of center.

Again, the only thing liberal about you, the only thing at all, is your stance on social issues, everything else you champion is boilerplate traditional right wing Reagan style Conservatism.

[VanillaRhapsody]

47. If you won't be voting for the winner of the Primary....if Hillary Rodham Clinton is that winner

well....you know the drill.

Nope I don't support Reagan Conservatism....I am just a realist not an ideologue...and I am loyal to the decisions that my fellow Democrats come to. I support the Democratic Party....some on DU claim to....but actions speak louder than words.

[Dragonfli]

54. If you support a candidate that supports Reagan Conservatism guess what

you do support Reagan Conservatism. Upthread you said "there are NO Liberal Republicans to be found.", there most certainly are, they are no longer found in their party since the fascists took it over, they migrated to our party under the tutelage of will Marshall and the Clintons under the DLC banner. They call themselves new Democrats because they are moderate republicans with no where else to go so they register here.

I should not have to teach you basic US politics and history dating from the eighties till the present, unless perhaps your "lifelong Democratic Membership" is like ten years old.

Learn about what you talk about before publicly revealing a rather deep ignorance.


Too late actually, that cat is out of the bag.

[VanillaRhapsody]

57. and who would THAT candidate be?

demonstrably NOT Hillary Clinton....do you need me to prove that to you with her actual record?

Or are you still clinging to your false narrative about her? (talk about deep ignorance).

By the way....guess who Bernie WILL support and campaign for if she wins the Primary? And would that make HIM a Reagan Conservative too?

[Divernan]

89. Dragonfli for the win!

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[polly7]

91. +1. nt.

[VanillaRhapsody]

94. For the record....I didn't alert...however...

I wouldn't be so gleeful...it was by the skin of her teeth...

[Divernan]

95. Close only counts in horseshoes and dancing!

[VanillaRhapsody]

99. I didn't say close....I said by the skin of her teeth...

so the response was to YOU!

[Aerows]

108. Put that one on ignore

post-haste. I did. It's like talking to a brick wall that is hippie punching you because you don't want to expand the NSA and won't support nuking Iran *right now*.

Nothing there to convince.

[Enthusiast]

20. We have had quite enough Third Way bullshit.

[VanillaRhapsody]

25. Who is Thirdway???

Please enlighten us lowly Democrats!

[Zorra]

80. Google third way there is a lot of information

about third way on the Internet. Most people who are genuinely politically aware know what the third way is what they believe and who adheres to their philosophy

[Iggo]

26. Not yet.

[VanillaRhapsody]

28. and unless he becomes one (to sell out of course) then he won't be a candidate that can be

supported by posts on DU!

The ONLY reason for BS to become a Democrat....is for all the money in the coffers he cannot win without money. That is just the way it is...

[Iggo]

40. Still, it'll be fun watching the cranial explosions of all the erstwhile PUMAs.

None of whom post here, of course. No PUMAs at DU. Never have been. Never will be.

We support Democrats here.

[VanillaRhapsody]

41. Why....we HRC supporters have ALWAYS said we vote for the winner of the Primary....

Now when she wins that...as all predictions conclude currently....YOUR head will be the one exploding because you have pledged NOT to vote for her.... My head will remain intact even IF the odd longshot Bernie Sanders becomes a Democrat and then manages to win the Primary! a VERY longshot YOU are betting on!

Let me know when Bernie can poll double digits ahead of ALL Republicans by the way......because SHE can!

[Iggo]

42. When did I pledge not to vote for the nominee of the Democratic Party in the General Election?

[VanillaRhapsody]

45. Then why are you shooting the person you will likely vote for down?

isn't that being hypocritical? Why yes...yes it is!

[Iggo]

48. Shooting who?

1. I hope Bernie Sanders runs, and runs as a Democrat. If he does, he'll have my vote and my full support in the Primary.
2. I hope to laugh at the wailing and gnashing of teeth of the former PUMAs when and if he declares he's running as a Democrat. I'm making fun of PUMAs. You seem to have confused PUMAs with HRC supporters. That was you, not me.

[VanillaRhapsody]

49. Who are these PUMAS you are describing then?

Please enlighten us to what your definition of that is...if you are NOT saying that about HRC "Supporters"?

By the way...PUMA's were opposed to Barack Obama as the Leader of the Party....who have you seen been opposed to THAT on DU?

[Iggo]

50. It's going to be fun.

[VanillaRhapsody]

51. You damn skippy it is!

[G_j]

77. if he runs as a Dem and wins the nomination

will you support him?

[VanillaRhapsody]

78. Of course..

..do you want to put money on that happening?

I wonder what the over/unders are....

[world wide wally]

2. He gets my vote ...

As well as active support

[bigdarryl]

3. I have more of a chance becoming President that he has

[nikto]

17. You have...

Far more chance of becoming dog-catcher than he has.


ftfy

[VanillaRhapsody]

27. At least you ARE an actual Democrat Darryl!

Which means I would vote for YOU before I would vote for Independent Bernie Sanders!

[Zorra]

4. I'm on the street word of mouth campaigning for him. nt

[CaliforniaPeggy]

5. K&R!

[lumberjack_jeff]

6. I love Bernie, but...

a) he's not a Democrat
b) he'll be 75 on inauguration day.

It is actuarially probable that he'll live 8 more years, but even if he does, I'm not sure that any 83 year old is up to the job.

Everything would depend on his choice of running mate.

I definitely want him to seek nomination, and drag the conversation where it belongs. Make HRC fish or cut bait on her support for the 99 percent.

[appalachiablue]

82. Absolutely, when will HRC address the 99%? With a strong VP & Cabinet Sanders can accomplish much,

barring age. Reagan 2nd term was napping daily, likely the Alzheimer's during the last several years+.

[Agnosticsherbet]

7. Sanders has not yet decided if he will run. So I am not even sure if Bernie is with you.

And if he doesn't run, then he can not be chosen.

And it might just be that a majority of the Democratic party doesn't agree with you about Bernie.

[truebrit71]

8. I'm in.... tired of this legacy bullshit....

.. you want the Democratic nomination... then you'd better bloody well EARN it.... no free rides, no matter how "inevitable" you are...

[VanillaRhapsody]

29. She HAS earned it...

Do you need me to prove it to you now?

[Agschmid]

52. No one "earns" it...

Jeez... it's so ridiculous on both sides.

[VanillaRhapsody]

60. I earned my degree.....

I worked for and earned my employment record...

Do you want her record or not?

No one earns it in the way YOU are using the term now....but SHE has earned the respect she SHOULD be getting from "so-called" Democrats...She has had a long career in politics....and a respect worthy Democratic career at that!

[Agschmid]

62. I agree she has earned respect, she has even earned admiration for the work she has done...

She most certainly has NOT earned the Presidency.

And if that's you reason to vote for her you are just as much of a sham as the anti-Hillary folks. Half the people bashing her here are trolls, are you falling for them?

[VanillaRhapsody]

65. She HAS earned the right to be considered....and she has the STATS to back that up!

And THAT is the reason I support her!

Can yours claim to be consistently 50 points ahead of the Democratic Pack while also double digit leads on the Republicans?

Yeah...she HAS earned he poll position....

[Agschmid]

66. I don't think you've been paying attention...

I absolutely agree that she should run and should be considered for the job, but that still isn't really something you earn, anyone can run see here and here. Sure they won't win but they certainly can run... And have earned that right.

To your other point I don't have "one"... if anything I am a likely Hillary supporter but I will tell you this if she runs uncontested it will HURT her in the GE. Also polls are very finicky, depends on who polled, when they polled, who they polled and what the candidates status actually is.

I'd be wiling to bet that once Hillary enters the race her numbers drop a bit, and also that you will immediately see one republican jump ahead of the pack. Of course that's just my thoughts so no blue links for that...

[VanillaRhapsody]

67. Oh good god! Lets quibble over semantics here shall we?

We are talking about a WOMAN here....no Woman has EVER been considered this seriously....so puhlease....spare me! There are a number of folks on DU who do NOT agree she has earned her right.....who have outright claimed that "though they consider themselves Democrats...yet they won't vote at all if she is selected". So.....

[Agschmid]

71. Yes and as I stated many of those are trolls...

Clearly you are falling for their trap.

[VanillaRhapsody]

72. No I am not....

I am the one consistently telling them that they are "so-called" Democrats and are actually Left Leaning Independents...if they cannot vote for whomever WE select in our Primary.

[Agschmid]

75. Better get Hillary to run then.

[VanillaRhapsody]

76. Not worried about that in the least!

[truebrit71]

59. No she hasn't.

She, along with her supporters, have worked tirelessly to promote the idea that she's 'inevitable' and that she can beat any potential republican candidate out there. I don't want to someone that can just beat one of those dimwits, I want someone that stands up for the common person, and has a PROVEN TRACK RECORD of such...and on that score, your candidate of choice falls short...

[blkmusclmachine]

10. But, but, but ... it's Hillary's turn, dammit!

[VanillaRhapsody]

30. Not her turn....she has earned it...including the Support from the Ladies of the Senate!

and a 50 point lead on the pack....and she beats all Repuke contenders by double digits!

Can Bernie brag about beating all Republicans by double digits yet?

[workinclasszero]

88. Why do some people want to give the presidency

To the bagger party on a sliver platter?

Hillary will kick the clown cars collective ass from one coast to the other!
This country cannot take 4 to 8 years of teabagger theocratic rule!

[workinclasszero]

96. Dude I'm saying I support Hillary for president if she

gets the nomination??

I'm NOT calling her a bagger! LMAO!

Fucking republicans are the only baggers I know LOL!

[VanillaRhapsody]

98. Sorry....I misread your first statement as sarcasm!

I'll delete now...

[workinclasszero]

102. No problem VR

Its sometimes hard to know what people mean on an internet discussion board as opposed to a face to face conversation.

Have a good one.

[VanillaRhapsody]

103. Thanks....you do the same!

[Thespian2]

11. K&R

I'm with you. No country needs another corporate shill!

[Maedhros]

12. Bernie generates excitement.

Hillary generates ennui.

[VanillaRhapsody]

31. Apparently she generates MORE excitement than you give her credit for

50 point lead...plus double digit leads over all Republican contenders....

Can Bernie generate THAT kind of excitement?

NOPE!

[Reter]

13. C'mon, Democratic Party----Nominate Bernie Sanders, and LOSE 49 STATES

There, changed it for ya.

[WillyT]

14. Love It...

[brooklynite]

15. Good for you...Bernie will still lose the election

Engaging activists is great, but the voters you're likely to be appealing too aren't the extra voters Bernie will need to attract.

[LondonReign2]

34. Right, we should be offering voters warmed over Third Way bullshit

to attract more Republicans.

[brooklynite]

35. I was planning to offer pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-health care, pro-progressive taxation...

[LondonReign2]

36. It's cute how you Third Wayers try to act like Democrats

Unfortunately your actual policies have swung the party so far right we now have a leader admitting his economic policies are mainstream 1980's Republican while you back the candidate that will accelerated the rightward shift.

[appalachiablue]

83. +10

[MelungeonWoman]

18. I'm in!

And like you I plan to actively participate in the campaign if Bernie runs as a Dem.

[Enthusiast]

21. K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations!

Go, Bernie!

[VanillaRhapsody]

32. It will change your life alright.....

with a President Cruz, President Walker, President Rubio, or President Bush!

[Yavin4]

33. Only YOU can change your life n/t

[TheKentuckian]

43. So it is on fully and unapologetically to the bootstraps "logic", huh?

I though Democrats believed in the ability of government to be a positive force in real people's lives.

I thought no one is an island.

I thought we really believed it takes a village to raise a child.

Hell, I thought we were our brother's keeper.

Over and over it seems to be a significant portion of Democrats who want nothing better than to become a more inclusive version of the TeaPubliKlans with improved spelling and more engaging rhetoric to justify selling out to multinational conglomerates, shredding the constitution, and whipping imperialism.

[Yavin4]

58. Bernie Sanders cannot change your life. No president can. n/t

[TheKentuckian]

81. If politics doesn't change lives then what are we doing?

[G_j]

37. K&R!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

44. Unlike Hillary, no nose holding requirement or Loyalty Oaths.

[Autumn]

53. I'm gonna rec this for the enthusiasm for Bernie. I will do whatever

it takes within my power to get him elected.

[nikto]

92. Yeah!!!!!!!!!!

[leftofcool]

55. Let me know when he is polling at 65% not at the current 6%

[GoneFishin]

56. I'll donate like our country depends on it. (oh yeah, it does)

And I'll preach the virtues of Bernie to anyone who will listen, or won't listen.

[Egnever]

61. I think your post points out your problem pretty clearly

You seem to expect the candidate you want to be handed to you with no thought of who hands them to you. If you want Bernie or any other candidate it is on you to make it happen by getting involved and making it happen. As it stands now it sounds like you are waiting for the people who do get involved to serve what you want upto you on a platter.

The people who get involved early are the ones who decide who our candidates are. By the time we have a nominee it is way too late.

[leftynyc]

70. Why would they nominate

someone who is not a Democrat?

[OilemFirchen]

73. Why does this remind me of the Allen West brigade?

Oop. Never mind, I've figured it out.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

74. your life will change as he ends up not winning the presidency

[peacebird]

79. Go sign Credos petition trying to get him to run! Link is here:

https://www.credomobilize.com/petitions/encourage-senator-bernie-sanders-to-run-for-president-in-2016-as-a-democrat

[hifiguy]

105. Done! nt

[JI7]

84. why don't you work to get him nominated ?

Are you not in the democratic party ?

[nikto]

87. Anybody who espouses what is basically, REAGANOMICS, is no Democrat

Even though they may be good on social issues (abortion choice/Gay rights).

To have liberal views on 2 or 3 social issues, but then to firmly link them
to Milton Friedman/Reaganomics,
does not work for me.

Nor will it ever.

That applies to people like Hillary, Rahm Emmanuel, Antonio Villaraigoza, Gov. Cuomo,
and too many other Democrats these days.

I do not consider this an evolution of the Party.

I consider it decay.

[Sheepshank]

97. I honestly believe in his passion, and like Bernie Sanders.....

....but a bulk of the Dem population doesn't trust 11th hour party switches. I'm not sure I do either. It's already difficult to get Dems out to the polls. If Bernie is the nominee, the DEMS will walk away and will will all lose to any Republican shit head.

[Hekate]

100. Sweetie, I hate to break this to you, but Bernie is not a Democrat. The Dem Party can't nominate him

As in, totally UNABLE to do so. He's Not a Democrat.

PS: Fess up. When was the last time you were an active Democrat yourself?

[PoliticAverse]

106. And you would be really sad when he lost the general election. n/t

[RBInMaine]

107. You have placed YOURSELF in NON-REALITY Land. BYE BYE !

He is a proclaimed "Socialist" who doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell. Welcome to the real world. Not sure which one you're living on.