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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 04:17 PM Feb 2015

Rahm Emanuel’s “Huge Embarrassment”: What It Means For Liberals — And America - Salon

Rahm Emanuel’s “huge embarrassment”: What it means for liberals — and America
The mayor of Chicago is finding out the hard way that the Democratic base is fed up with neoliberalism

Elias Isquith - Salon
Wednesday, Feb 25, 2015 11:04 AM PST


Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel (Credit: AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast)

The liberal wing of the Democratic Party can be susceptible to the “moral victory” fallacy, which in its most degraded form considers a righteous loser preferable to a compromised winner. All the same, it’s hard not to interpret Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s Pyrrhic victory on Tuesday as a major win for the party’s economically populist wing. After all, this is Chicago we’re talking about; incumbent mayors expect to be crowned, not subjected to the indignity of actually campaigning for reelection.

Before I take another guess at the result’s implications, though, here’s a quick recap of Chicago’s unusually competitive mayoral campaign. If you look at the final results, you’ll see that Emanuel was far and away the most popular single candidate, logging 45 percent of the vote. That’s more than 10 percentage points higher than Jesus “Chuy” Garcia, the relatively unknown Cook County commissioner who came in second. But a key thing to understand about this campaign is that Emanuel’s securing a plurality was never in doubt. He never trailed in the polls, in fact.

The real question, instead, was whether he’d be able to win more than 50 percent of the vote, and thus avoid an April runoff election. Historically, this is something Chicago’s mayor has almost always accomplished with relative ease; it’s even more perfunctory than when an incumbent president “runs” in his party’s primary before the general election. Yet despite his national profile, the backing of the city’s formidable Democratic machine, an ungodly sum of money, and the support of his former boss (and fellow Chicagoan) President Obama, Emanuel fell short. Experts on Chicago politics described his failure as “a huge embarrassment.”


And...

Of course, as encouraging as Emanuel’s stumble is to the left wing of the Democratic Party, it’d be the height of folly to declare victory over the “third way,” neoliberal approach just yet. Emanuel is quite likely to defeat Garcia now that the two are going one-on-one. And protest votes can have a way of making people think the battle’s been won, when in truth it’s only just started. Nevertheless, if we pair Emanuel’s hollow victory with other recent, successful campaigns from the left — like Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s thwarting of the Antonio Weiss nomination, or Zephyr Teachout’s humbling of Gov. Andrew Cuomo — it’s hard to deny that there’s a change happening within the Democratic base.

And for their own sake if nothing else, Hillary Clinton and the other national leaders in the Democratic Party would be wise to pay it attention.


Link: http://www.salon.com/2015/02/25/rahm_emanuels_huge_embarrassment_what_it_means_for_liberals_and_america/






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Rahm Emanuel’s “Huge Embarrassment”: What It Means For Liberals — And America - Salon (Original Post) WillyT Feb 2015 OP
Kick !!! WillyT Feb 2015 #1
Don't forget Rahm's GITMO. Octafish Feb 2015 #143
I think Rahm-rod could lose... joeybee12 Feb 2015 #2
Actually, Rahm *IS* the “Huge Embarrassment” n/t SomeGuyInEagan Feb 2015 #128
No disagreement from me! n/t Aerows Feb 2015 #138
K&R ReRe Feb 2015 #3
Is Solon owned by the Koch Bro? Cryptoad Feb 2015 #4
No brucefan Feb 2015 #6
never make me believe it Cryptoad Feb 2015 #9
why? he likes privatization and giving public money & property to corporations, just like the ND-Dem Feb 2015 #57
And union busting and closing down schools. n/t cui bono Feb 2015 #92
Yeah, those are all tenants Aerows Feb 2015 #140
Me neither! cui bono Feb 2015 #144
No idea but the DLC was in part financed by them.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #8
25K,,,,,,, you make me laugh Cryptoad Feb 2015 #10
Does Koch creatures being on the DLC board of trustees make you laugh also? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #12
Seems you really dont have a grasp on Evil. Cryptoad Feb 2015 #13
I take it you are a Rahm supporter. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #14
That says it all for me Aerows Feb 2015 #18
nope Cryptoad Feb 2015 #20
That's rich Aerows Feb 2015 #22
Critical Reading is Critical Cryptoad Feb 2015 #25
Oh Aerows Feb 2015 #29
Sorry but the facts will not support that claim. Cryptoad Feb 2015 #37
Because you proclaimed it? Aerows Feb 2015 #38
no casue you claimed i stated somethings in my post Cryptoad Feb 2015 #67
Oh I'm shuddering in my boots. Aerows Feb 2015 #139
Good for you,,,,, Cryptoad Feb 2015 #145
just because someone has a D by their name doesn't make them a democrat. Unless you ND-Dem Feb 2015 #58
"Tear Down Another Democrat..." Like... Joe Lieberman, Or Zell Miller ??? WillyT Feb 2015 #61
you and your buds are not alone Cryptoad Feb 2015 #68
I Have No Idea What That Means... WillyT Feb 2015 #70
I can grasp that Cryptoad Feb 2015 #74
so you consider lieberman and miller democrats? i guess you and your buds... well.... ND-Dem Feb 2015 #88
and let us not forget Fred Phelps Mnpaul Feb 2015 #75
So you just blindly support your "team" no matter what? cui bono Feb 2015 #94
Wow, party before Country. I bet you condemn the Republicans when they do that. A Simple Game Feb 2015 #99
I think Fumesucker Aerows Feb 2015 #15
Thats your opinion,,,, Cryptoad Feb 2015 #23
You are Aerows Feb 2015 #24
You. Are. Not. Alone. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #31
Thanks :) Aerows Feb 2015 #33
Good for you Cryptoad Feb 2015 #34
You have your opinions Aerows Feb 2015 #39
never confuse opinions with facts Cryptoad Feb 2015 #40
Yeah Aerows Feb 2015 #45
You say yeah but still can not support your claims. Cryptoad Feb 2015 #49
Nope, not alone! BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #69
Me too ... n/t sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #125
Thank you :) Aerows Feb 2015 #136
No kidding The Green Manalishi Feb 2015 #135
Indeed he did! Aerows Feb 2015 #137
Seems you really don't have a grasp on reality. cui bono Feb 2015 #93
Why do you ask? cui bono Feb 2015 #91
K&R DeSwiss Feb 2015 #5
Everyone who can needs to help Garcia. There IS a chance if people come out to vote, that sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #7
They mention that a change is coming to the Democratic Party. It can't get here rhett o rick Feb 2015 #17
There is a change coming, not just here, see the Mid Terms eg, when the Progressives won and sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #43
We can't handle any more of their failed policies Mnpaul Feb 2015 #76
You Are Quite Welcome !!! WillyT Feb 2015 #59
If the election were being held the first week in July Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #97
UMMMM, that would be the first week in August, not July. Bohunk68 Feb 2015 #108
Not this year. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #132
We have our own celebration, independent of others. Bohunk68 Feb 2015 #146
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #147
That's good, man. Good for you. There was a "farfegnugen" sticker that used to say "fukinmissim" Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #148
Anytime sabrina 1... Anytime... WillyT Feb 2015 #106
Agree. I just sent him $25. Here's the link: dmr Feb 2015 #131
Thanks, I appreciate that. Will also send him some money. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #142
The suck is strong in that neolib. AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #11
+1! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #30
+1 Phlem Feb 2015 #82
It is certainly interesting how this is playing out... one_voice Feb 2015 #16
No one gets pushed to the left. They may change their rhetoric to try to appease the Left rhett o rick Feb 2015 #21
You mean just politicians right?... one_voice Feb 2015 #26
Of course. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #44
Really, so LBJ was a civil rights leader before being elected president? randys1 Feb 2015 #27
Do you think someone "pushed" LBJ to the left? That would be rather remarkable. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #42
A tiny, tiny bit MFrohike Feb 2015 #66
Exactly my thoughts. zeemike Feb 2015 #35
That's what I am afraid of. Rahm will suddenly and very temporarily LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #118
I think there is a difference between Obama and Rahm. Pres Obama could speak like a progressive. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #121
Agreed, they both will/have come off as fakes when they do LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #122
That's important rett o rick 1norcal Feb 2015 #130
You can't push someone to the Left. They are what they are. All that phrase means is 'push them to sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #46
okie dokie. one_voice Feb 2015 #52
And it's way-crazy to think that anyone could push H. Clinton to the left. In 2008 rhett o rick Feb 2015 #54
omg, she couldn't find her way to the left with the help of google maps and Waze! cui bono Feb 2015 #95
On Warren 'pushing others to the left' it really should be noted that many Democrats are to her Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #62
Thank you for this... one_voice Feb 2015 #63
Did You Forget Hillary Clinton Was A Goldwater Girl ??? WillyT Feb 2015 #107
Um, no. But this is the second time Hillary Clinton was mentioned... one_voice Feb 2015 #112
Sorry... I Just Get So Fed Up With The "Warren Was A Republican..." Nonsense... WillyT Feb 2015 #117
No worries Willy! one_voice Feb 2015 #126
Reagan/Bush loyalist? Mnpaul Feb 2015 #79
Even Obama's support and a $10 mill. advantage couldn't carry Rahm over the finish line. Divernan Feb 2015 #19
I do not want Rahm Emanuel in the Democratic Party. I don't care of he changes to GOP. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #28
Was Rahm part of the early Chicago Penny Pritzker, Hilton-Superior Bank support for BO? appalachiablue Feb 2015 #85
I'm not sure about that. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #98
Rahm is not in the Democratic Party. He is part of the Third Way that LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #119
Emanuel has sorely underestimated Chicagoans rage over the parking meters riderinthestorm Feb 2015 #32
I thought the parking meter fiasco was Daley's final gift on his way out the door . . . hatrack Feb 2015 #72
It was but Emanuel has taken that privatization scheme and expanded it 10x riderinthestorm Feb 2015 #109
Thanks for the link swilton Feb 2015 #123
This message was self-deleted by its author stillwaiting Feb 2015 #36
Poor Rahm. Tsk. Tsk. Sad, very sad. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #41
The article could have also pointed out rpannier Feb 2015 #47
Talk about missing the point! Warpy Feb 2015 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2015 #50
+10 Same here- appalachiablue Feb 2015 #104
+1,000. Sad, isn't it? LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #120
When was that? former9thward Feb 2015 #141
“moral victory” fallacy Renew Deal Feb 2015 #51
Nader and Nader voters are being used as scapegoats for the failure of the Democratic rhett o rick Feb 2015 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2015 #64
It's never their fault Mnpaul Feb 2015 #77
Just like Republicans indeed. JEB Feb 2015 #124
Well that was a lame ass comparison. Who's bush in this scenario? nt Guy Whitey Corngood Feb 2015 #60
What will the other candidates do? KamaAina Feb 2015 #53
make it so. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #55
The tide is turning. 99Forever Feb 2015 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Feb 2015 #71
Why is "huge embarrassment" about a Dem so bruited on a Dem website?!1 I don't care. n/t UTUSN Feb 2015 #73
Buh By! Phlem Feb 2015 #84
Garcia is also a Dem. Starry Messenger Feb 2015 #87
You can have him. Maybe he'll shut down schools and city run mental health clinics Guy Whitey Corngood Feb 2015 #102
Hmmm, so there is hope. Jamastiene Feb 2015 #78
Go Garcia! Take the Third Way down! daredtowork Feb 2015 #80
Rahm and Debbie Wasserman Shultz - the very model of the loony right wing of the Dem Party whereisjustice Feb 2015 #81
I'm waiting for the defenders and centrist, third way apologists to show up Phlem Feb 2015 #83
http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/9378/10425744_2.jpg?v=8CDBD2ABE243CF0 blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #86
I blame myself WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2015 #89
"it’s hard to deny that there’s a change happening within the Democratic base" cui bono Feb 2015 #90
Insulting people is not generally a good strategy to get them to vote the way you want Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #96
That idea is fornicatingly cognitively challenged... Fumesucker Feb 2015 #115
Politics aside, I've always considered the guy a jerk. Kind of a skinny Chris Christie. Vinca Feb 2015 #100
oh please Chicago kick Rahm's ass to the curb!!! tartan2 Feb 2015 #101
Rahm...remember when you laughed at us when we tried to rid ourselves of Stellar Feb 2015 #103
I'm donating money to García and will volunteer to get the vote out. I still think Guy Whitey Corngood Feb 2015 #105
picking rahm to be WHCoS told me all i needed to know about obama. KG Feb 2015 #110
Rahm's a Liberal PatrynXX Feb 2015 #111
when he loses the runoff, I want to know where to line up to piss on his political grave yurbud Feb 2015 #113
It's still an uphill climb for García. We'll do our best but can't guarantee you'll have Guy Whitey Corngood Feb 2015 #129
if he wins, we'll just have to mail the piss and tell him it's champagne yurbud Feb 2015 #133
In that case we'll need the big bottle for him and his boy Rauner. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Feb 2015 #134
Obama picking Rahm as his chief of staff was when I knew we had been had yurbud Feb 2015 #114
Another major factor (not mentioned in the article) is Rahm's support of our new Snarkoleptic Feb 2015 #116
K&R! KoKo Feb 2015 #127

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
143. Don't forget Rahm's GITMO.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 07:22 PM
Feb 2015
The disappeared: Chicago police detain Americans at abuse-laden 'black site'

Exclusive: Secret interrogation facility reveals aspects of war on terror in US
‘They disappeared us’: protester details 17-hour shackling without basic rights
Accounts describe police brutality, missing 15-year-old and one man’s death
Latest: ‘Gestapo’ tactics alarm from Chicago to DC as second protester speaks


Spencer Ackerman
The Guardian, Tuesday 24 February 2015

The Chicago police department operates an off-the-books interrogation compound, rendering Americans unable to be found by family or attorneys while locked inside what lawyers say is the domestic equivalent of a CIA black site.

The facility, a nondescript warehouse on Chicago’s west side known as Homan Square, has long been the scene of secretive work by special police units. Interviews with local attorneys and one protester who spent the better part of a day shackled in Homan Square describe operations that deny access to basic constitutional rights.

Alleged police practices at Homan Square, according to those familiar with the facility who spoke out to the Guardian after its investigation into Chicago police abuse, include:

* Keeping arrestees out of official booking databases.
* Beating by police, resulting in head wounds.
* Shackling for prolonged periods.
* Denying attorneys access to the “secure” facility.
* Holding people without legal counsel for between 12 and 24 hours, including people as young as 15.


At least one man was found unresponsive in a Homan Square “interview room” and later pronounced dead.

Brian Jacob Church, a protester known as one of the “Nato Three”, was held and questioned at Homan Square in 2012 following a police raid. Officers restrained Church for the better part of a day, denying him access to an attorney, before sending him to a nearby police station to be booked and charged.

“Homan Square is definitely an unusual place,” Church told the Guardian on Friday. “It brings to mind the interrogation facilities they use in the Middle East. The CIA calls them black sites. It’s a domestic black site. When you go in, no one knows what’s happened to you.”

CONTINUED...

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site?CMP=share_btn_tw

Thought this "Chicago as a Toddling Test Bed for Democracy's Piratization" would fit nicely into your excellent thread here, WillyT. The Big Truth seems to be what's getting left out of Corporate Owned News.
 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
2. I think Rahm-rod could lose...
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 05:12 PM
Feb 2015

Especially if this fires up people to work for and elect Garcia.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
57. why? he likes privatization and giving public money & property to corporations, just like the
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 07:44 PM
Feb 2015

kochs.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
140. Yeah, those are all tenants
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 05:33 PM
Feb 2015

of the Democratic Party traditionally.

If I wanted union busting and private schools, the Democratic party wouldn't be the first place I'd look. You?

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
8. No idea but the DLC was in part financed by them..
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 05:42 PM
Feb 2015
http://www.correntewire.com/why_its_feature_not_bug_koch_family_funds_dlc

One member of the DLC's executive council is none other than Koch Industries, the privately held, Kansas-based oil company whose namesake family members are avatars of the far right, having helped to found archconservative institutions like the Cato Institute and Citizens for a Sound Economy. Not only that, but two Koch executives, Richard Fink and Robert P. Hall III, are listed as members of the board of trustees and the event committee, respectively--meaning that they gave significantly more than $25,000.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
12. Does Koch creatures being on the DLC board of trustees make you laugh also?
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 05:46 PM
Feb 2015

If Koch money is evil then one penny taints an entire enterprise.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
20. nope
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 06:15 PM
Feb 2015

I am not,,, but I will not negatively tear down another a Democrat just because I dont agree with them. If the people you support cant stand on their positive attributes, they will never succeed.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
25. Critical Reading is Critical
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 06:19 PM
Feb 2015

i never said anything about supporting Emanuel. But feel free to make it up as you go along.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
38. Because you proclaimed it?
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 06:42 PM
Feb 2015

I think not. As was noted below, actions not words reveal true motives. You sure have made a lot of definitive statements with no evidence to support them in this thread.

I could declare that "I am an uber-Democrat and the facts don't support your claim", but it doesn't mean it's true. You have your opinions, I have mine - remember, opinions aren't facts no matter how much you would like for them to be.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
67. no casue you claimed i stated somethings in my post
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 08:59 PM
Feb 2015

yet you are unable to cite where I posted those things, nor own up to the fact that you lied.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
139. Oh I'm shuddering in my boots.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 05:30 PM
Feb 2015

Cryptoad called me a liar because Cryptoad spouted some strange things and I didn't bother to debate nebulous claims.

LMAO!

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
58. just because someone has a D by their name doesn't make them a democrat. Unless you
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 07:46 PM
Feb 2015

believe that "Democrat" stands for nothing but having the "D" by your name.

Seems a popular belief these days, unfortunately.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
61. "Tear Down Another Democrat..." Like... Joe Lieberman, Or Zell Miller ???
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 08:10 PM
Feb 2015

Who both spoke at Republican Conventions against their own standard bearers???


 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
88. so you consider lieberman and miller democrats? i guess you and your buds... well....
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:05 AM
Feb 2015

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
75. and let us not forget Fred Phelps
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 09:54 PM
Feb 2015

who got 30% of the vote in a race for Senator in Kansas. He supported Gore too. He liked the fact that Gore opposed a gay Bill of rights.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
94. So you just blindly support your "team" no matter what?
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:36 AM
Feb 2015

You are a danger to democracy.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
99. Wow, party before Country. I bet you condemn the Republicans when they do that.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 06:56 AM
Feb 2015

And I bet you wonder what is wrong with our Country too.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
15. I think Fumesucker
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 06:11 PM
Feb 2015

knows exactly what he's talking about, and your attempts to smear him have failed.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
34. Good for you
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 06:32 PM
Feb 2015

but I think your time would be better spent positively supporting the attributes of candidates you support rather negatively tearing down all the democrats you do not agree with.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
137. Indeed he did!
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 05:27 PM
Feb 2015

In a world where it seems like we are drowning in left/right horsecrap, it's important to state it as it is. If that means criticizing Rahm Emanuel, the most false "left" politician I can think of, I'm going to criticize him. I'm not tearing down a Democrat, I'm tearing down a phony.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
93. Seems you really don't have a grasp on reality.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:35 AM
Feb 2015

So, answer the question... Does it not bother you that a Koch is on the DLC board of trustees? Or will you just continue to ignore it?

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
5. K&R
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 05:38 PM
Feb 2015
- Polls are like parachutes that allow one to float easily to victory, or they can catch fire. It usually depends on your Karma......



sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
7. Everyone who can needs to help Garcia. There IS a chance if people come out to vote, that
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 05:41 PM
Feb 2015

we could rid that city of Third Way Rahm.

Thanks for the OP willy

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
17. They mention that a change is coming to the Democratic Party. It can't get here
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 06:12 PM
Feb 2015

too soon.

Down with the DLC/The Third Way/New Democrats

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
43. There is a change coming, not just here, see the Mid Terms eg, when the Progressives won and
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 06:53 PM
Feb 2015

Progressive issues won on ballots across the country. And the Third Way lost spectacularly.

Same thing in Europe where they have forced their horrible policies on the people, Greece was one of the first they targeted, now it's one of the first to say 'NO MORE neoliberalism'.

I don't think there is going to much more 'nose holding' anymore. So now it's up to the Party leadership either 'listen to the voters, the times are changing, OR lose'.

It's not on the voters, it's on the Party Leadership.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
97. If the election were being held the first week in July
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:54 AM
Feb 2015

There is no way that "J Garcia" wouldnt win

Bohunk68

(1,423 posts)
108. UMMMM, that would be the first week in August, not July.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 09:27 AM
Feb 2015

Just sayin'. I and a bunch of fellow Deadheads have gathered that weekend since '87 to celebrate JERRRRRRY!

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
132. Not this year.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 04:13 PM
Feb 2015


Although I realize the expected large influx of tourists can't vote in Chicago municipal elections.

Bohunk68

(1,423 posts)
146. We have our own celebration, independent of others.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 07:13 AM
Feb 2015

So, yes, this year also. WE decide, not some other people. TRADITION as Tevye sang.

Response to Bohunk68 (Reply #146)

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
148. That's good, man. Good for you. There was a "farfegnugen" sticker that used to say "fukinmissim"
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 04:31 AM
Mar 2015

...i feel that way, too.



Still, fact is there are gonna be a shitload of deadheads in chicago come 4th of july.

I wish that werent the case, tickets would be easier to score!

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
16. It is certainly interesting how this is playing out...
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 06:12 PM
Feb 2015

I think Sanders and Warren should continue to be vocal and push whoever runs in 16 to the left.

K&R

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
21. No one gets pushed to the left. They may change their rhetoric to try to appease the Left
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 06:16 PM
Feb 2015

but after the election, they are who they are.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
27. Really, so LBJ was a civil rights leader before being elected president?
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 06:22 PM
Feb 2015

Wait, leader HELL

HERO


MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
66. A tiny, tiny bit
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 08:33 PM
Feb 2015
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Z._Longoria,_Jr.

Most of his pre-presidential days were spent firmly in the middle of the Southern Caucus (it actually was a thing), but this was the first, and probably only, hint of who he could be.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
118. That's what I am afraid of. Rahm will suddenly and very temporarily
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:59 PM
Feb 2015

try to move leftwards before continuing to move further right after re-election. I don't know if he has the charisma to pull off the charade like Obama did though.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
121. I think there is a difference between Obama and Rahm. Pres Obama could speak like a progressive.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:07 PM
Feb 2015

I don't think either Rahm or H. Clinton can. IMO they can't even force it.

1norcal

(55 posts)
130. That's important rett o rick
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 03:25 PM
Feb 2015

President Obama's rhetoric IS the difference, but, in my opinion, otherwise they are similar; republican or corporatist.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
46. You can't push someone to the Left. They are what they are. All that phrase means is 'push them to
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 07:00 PM
Feb 2015

say things that will get them the votes they need when they realize that the country is mostly Progressive on issues' and then forget about it once elected.

We want someone who has a RECORD of being anti-Bush/Cheney policies.

No more Imperial wars, proxy or otherwise. No more neocons in democratic Cabinets, OR Republicans, or left over Bush loyalists, like Clapper and Gates or Brennen et al. No more Wall St, Walmart, Monsanto CEOs.

Eg, how many Progressives are in positions of power in the current president's cabinet? People who OPPOSED the Iraq war, who disagree with Bush/Cheney on Civil Liberties, on Foreign Policies, on Intelligence?

You cannot change PEOPLE, but you can change Policies by putting the right people in power.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
54. And it's way-crazy to think that anyone could push H. Clinton to the left. In 2008
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 07:29 PM
Feb 2015

she didn't budge even though she had a huge incentive to.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
62. On Warren 'pushing others to the left' it really should be noted that many Democrats are to her
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 08:10 PM
Feb 2015

left and have long been so. My own Representative DeFazio was a co-founder of the Progressive Caucus along with Sanders and others in 1991. At that time, Elizabeth Warren was a freaking Republican. And while I am sure she has changed from her many years as a Reagan/Bush loyalist I am very tired of this trope that she is the lone Democratic progressive, trying to push others to the left. Her history indicates that somewhere along the line, someone or something pushed Warren to the left, not the other way around. That's what she and her boosters need to talk about, how she came to move away from racist, selfish Republican politics and anti gay, anti choice Republican positions and join along with people like Bernie, who has been doing what he is doing since she was doing the Supply Side thing.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
63. Thank you for this...
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 08:14 PM
Feb 2015

I'd actually forgotten Warren had been a republican. Interesting, that I'd been lectured to on how no one changes and yet ....

You're right of course there are more Democrats to her left and it would be nice to hear more from them.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
112. Um, no. But this is the second time Hillary Clinton was mentioned...
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:52 AM
Feb 2015

when responding to one of my comments. Neither of my comments mentioned her. I mentioned Senator Warren being a republican because the poster I responded to brought it up.

As I said you're the second poster to bring up Hillary--when responding to my comments, when I NEVER mentioned her in ANY of my comments. Good, bad or indifferent.

I was lectured to on how people don't change when I suggested that maybe Warren and Sanders could push WHOEVER ran in 2016 to left--one poster went further in another comment to specifically point out Hillary.

I mentioned Warren here--to show; apparently people do change--and you show up with 'well what about Hillary'.

I like Senator Warren--VERY much. And have stated that repeatedly.

Yeah, the 2016 primaries are going to be so much fun.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
117. Sorry... I Just Get So Fed Up With The "Warren Was A Republican..." Nonsense...
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:52 PM
Feb 2015

I've always thought enlightening people, and turning Republicans into Democrats was a good thing.

My apologies...


one_voice

(20,043 posts)
126. No worries Willy!
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:54 PM
Feb 2015


I agree about people seeing the light. lol

My husband was a Republican. Even interned for Senator Roth (during his later years) Yikes...not only is he a Democrat he's very liberal now. I like to take credit for that.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
79. Reagan/Bush loyalist?
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 10:08 PM
Feb 2015

She was a registered Republican from '91 - '95, before that she was an indy. Don't you ever tire of posting this debunked nonsense?

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
19. Even Obama's support and a $10 mill. advantage couldn't carry Rahm over the finish line.
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 06:14 PM
Feb 2015

POLITICO MAGAZINE
The Humbling of Rahm

Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel fell short of an outright win in his reelection battle Tuesday — despite President Barack Obama putting his hometown political clout on the line to push his former top aide over the finish line — and will face the second-place finisher in an April runoff.

But the result is also a disappointment for Obama, who put himself at the forefront during the final days of the campaign. He cut radio ads for Emanuel, his first White House chief of staff. And on Thursday, just five days before the election, the president flew into Chicago to give the mayor a boost. They appeared together at a stop in the Pullman neighborhood, where the president declared that he could not “be prouder of [Emanuel] and the extraordinary service he’s provided.” The planning for Obama’s trip to Chicago was nearly three weeks in the making, the sources said.

Obama and Emanuel then made a trek to one of the mayor’s campaign headquarters, where the president told volunteers that Emanuel was “somebody who cares deeply about this city.” Video of the president’s testimonial ended up in the mayor’s final television ad before Tuesday’s vote. Those appeals, however, were not enough to give Emanuel, who was facing a group of underfunded and less well-known opponents, a majority of the vote.

Polls showed Emaunel closing in on a majority in recent weeks but never quite clearing the threshold. Emanuel vastly outraised his opponents, pulling in $13 million to Garcia’s $1 million. While Emanuel ran a slate of TV commercials, including one that featured Obama, Garcia was able to air only one TV ad.
The president and his political team now must decide how — or whether — to engage in a runoff election that will put Emanuel’s controversial tenure under the national microscope. Eric Schultz, a White House spokesman, declined to comment on Obama’s plans to buttress Emanuel other than to say he is “supportive and will do what we can to help.”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/rahm-emanuel-chicago-mayoral-election-2015-runoff-115481.html#ixzz3SnjQqHK6

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
28. I do not want Rahm Emanuel in the Democratic Party. I don't care of he changes to GOP.
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 06:24 PM
Feb 2015

That is where he belongs.

I have to seriously question President Obama's judgment for picking Rahm to start with.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
119. Rahm is not in the Democratic Party. He is part of the Third Way that
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 01:02 PM
Feb 2015

only pretends to be part of the Democratic Party so that they can shove it further rightward as corporations desire.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
32. Emanuel has sorely underestimated Chicagoans rage over the parking meters
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 06:30 PM
Feb 2015

the privatization of the schools etc.

It's time for Dems to step up and help Garcia. $$, time and votes!! We can do this!

Edited to add the link to his website for donations and volunteering


http://chicagoforchuy.com/index.html

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
109. It was but Emanuel has taken that privatization scheme and expanded it 10x
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 09:30 AM
Feb 2015

in other places like schools.

It's all of a piece and I hope it comes back and bites him hard.

Response to WillyT (Original post)

rpannier

(24,837 posts)
47. The article could have also pointed out
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 07:01 PM
Feb 2015

that of the 7 members of the progressive wing running 5 got elected and 2 are in run-off races

Warpy

(114,360 posts)
48. Talk about missing the point!
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 07:02 PM
Feb 2015

Emanuel needing to fight a runoff election is in no way any indication of a left-right split or any wholesale repudiation of one way or the other. It's more a recognition of the many enemies the man has made while he's been in office. He's got all the diplomatic skill of a jackhammer and a lot of people are sick of him, not responding to abstract political theory.

Left/liberal bashing seems to be in style over at Salon, as it is other places trying to preserve "access."

Response to WillyT (Original post)

Renew Deal

(84,642 posts)
51. “moral victory” fallacy
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 07:09 PM
Feb 2015

The Nader voters. They really showed us. Everything is so much better now that Bush served two terms.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
56. Nader and Nader voters are being used as scapegoats for the failure of the Democratic
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 07:40 PM
Feb 2015

Party to provide a candidate that would attract the "Nader voters". But the arrogant Conservative/DLC Democratic Party Machine refused to listen in 2000 and apparently is looking to do it again. Run a DLC'er (Clinton) against a Bush and suffer the same consequences as 2000. I wonder who they will try to blame this time.

Response to rhett o rick (Reply #56)

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
77. It's never their fault
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 10:01 PM
Feb 2015

just like Republicans, they always blame someone else for their failures.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
53. What will the other candidates do?
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 07:19 PM
Feb 2015

If even one or two of them throw their support to Rahmbo, he's in.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
65. The tide is turning.
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 08:17 PM
Feb 2015

Time to run shitheads like that one out of OUR party. I cannot stand that

Response to WillyT (Original post)

UTUSN

(76,666 posts)
73. Why is "huge embarrassment" about a Dem so bruited on a Dem website?!1 I don't care. n/t
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 09:35 PM
Feb 2015

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
84. Buh By!
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 11:28 PM
Feb 2015


Because a lot of us are Free Thinkers and not burdened by tradition, but by fact.

 

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,848 posts)
102. You can have him. Maybe he'll shut down schools and city run mental health clinics
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 07:46 AM
Feb 2015

in your town. Maybe then "you'll care". Maybe not.

Jamastiene

(38,206 posts)
78. Hmmm, so there is hope.
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 10:06 PM
Feb 2015

Of course, we will still be told to STFU and vote for the most right wing Democrat the Third Way can find every single time, but it is nice to see liberals making somewhat of a comeback now. I'm so fucking sick of having to hold my nose to vote.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
80. Go Garcia! Take the Third Way down!
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 10:21 PM
Feb 2015

Now if we can just get a Third Way CHALLENGER with serious chances into the Primary...

One thing to note is Garcua came out if nowhere and didn't spend a lot of money, and people still voted AGAINST Third Way Rahm!

Hell, I'll run for President just to give people a freaking alternative. How much does it cost to file stuff and where do I do it?
*hopes this gives people more qualified than I the idea to stampede, if for no other reason to prevent someone not as important as them from accidentally becoming President by soaking up the JUST SAY NO TO THIRD WAY HILLARY vote*

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
81. Rahm and Debbie Wasserman Shultz - the very model of the loony right wing of the Dem Party
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 10:26 PM
Feb 2015

They waltzed in kicking shit all over the place with the same sort of arrogance that Bush had when he waltzed into Iraq.

Now the DNC is saying we will throw roses at Hillary's feet.

Sure. Sure.

Fuck me once, shame on you...

These corporate posers and dilettantes need to be flushed out of the party.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
83. I'm waiting for the defenders and centrist, third way apologists to show up
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 11:23 PM
Feb 2015

So far it's crickets!



Oh No's maybe there is new data for the same we've been saying over and over again. Knowledge wrapped in self importance is a fraud.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
86. http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/9378/10425744_2.jpg?v=8CDBD2ABE243CF0
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:25 AM
Feb 2015
?v=8CDBD2ABE243CF0

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
90. "it’s hard to deny that there’s a change happening within the Democratic base"
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:31 AM
Feb 2015

I hope so. And seems to me that if Garcia got 35% without having been well known he just might beat Emanuel now that people will hear more of him. Although I don't doubt that Emanuel will resort to some ruthless tactics. I don't trust him.

Pragmatists keep saying liberals can't win the presidency but I think that is incorrect.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
96. Insulting people is not generally a good strategy to get them to vote the way you want
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:53 AM
Feb 2015

A lesson which seems lost on some groups.

Vinca

(53,210 posts)
100. Politics aside, I've always considered the guy a jerk. Kind of a skinny Chris Christie.
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 07:35 AM
Feb 2015

tartan2

(314 posts)
101. oh please Chicago kick Rahm's ass to the curb!!!
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 07:40 AM
Feb 2015

I can't stand this prick. He is only out for himself and to hell with the rest of Chicago!!

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
103. Rahm...remember when you laughed at us when we tried to rid ourselves of
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 08:15 AM
Feb 2015

Blanche Lincoln? You laughed and said 'don't waste your money we will pull her through', or something to that effect. But she was so badly damaged the she lost in the general.

I love that this will make your monkey ass at least think twice.

 

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,848 posts)
105. I'm donating money to García and will volunteer to get the vote out. I still think
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 08:59 AM
Feb 2015

chances we'll be stuck with this asshole Emanuel for another 4 years. But at least it's good to see his punk ass sweat and get all crocodile teary eyed because he'll actually have to work for it this time.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
113. when he loses the runoff, I want to know where to line up to piss on his political grave
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:09 PM
Feb 2015
 

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,848 posts)
129. It's still an uphill climb for García. We'll do our best but can't guarantee you'll have
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 03:25 PM
Feb 2015

a "grave" to piss on any time soon.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
114. Obama picking Rahm as his chief of staff was when I knew we had been had
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:13 PM
Feb 2015

Those on the left knew Hillary would be a corporate tool, but we falsely thought Obama was somewhat better.

The difference between the two is mostly a matter of style.

Snarkoleptic

(6,208 posts)
116. Another major factor (not mentioned in the article) is Rahm's support of our new
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 12:49 PM
Feb 2015

Governor, Bruce Rauner (R-Pluto).

It's often said of Illinois politics that "there's the Chicago area, then there's the rest of Illinois", which is an oversimplification, but generally, the Chicago Metro is blue and the rest of the State leans red. Rahm supported Rauner and now there is a lot of buyers remorse as Rauner begins the "walkerization" of our fair state.

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