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riqster

(13,986 posts)
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 09:51 AM Feb 2015

Economist Proves: Reagan’s Deregulation caused Today’s Income Inequality.

https://bluntandcranky.wordpress.com/2015/02/27/economist-proves-reagans-deregulation-caused-todays-income-inequality/

Source info aplenty at the link.

Finally, the root cause is revealed. Plenty of talk has been talked on the topic, by experts, data wonks, and politicians. But nobody was able to say why the 1% started f***ing the rest of us to an even greater extent than hitherto, from the 80’s through the present day. Not until a few months ago, that is:

There are many gauges of the depth and breadth of economic inequality, and they often measure what middle-income working people have today against what they had prior to 1980 – that time when homes were affordable, along with doctor visits and college educations. Yet few of the astonishing charts and metrics that have captured this widening gulf explain how it all came about. So when economist William Lazonick pointed a finger at a very specific aspect of corporate behavior, people took note.

Lazonick’s 4,900-word piece, titled Profits Without Prosperity, focused on the 449 companies in the Standard & Poor’s 500 index that were publicly listed from 2003 to 2012. Lazonick found that from the end of World War II until the late 1970s, corporations generally took a “retain-and-reinvest” approach to profits. That is, they kept their earnings and reinvested them – first and foremost in pay raises and job benefits for the employees who helped make the firms more competitive, but also in business expansion, research and new technologies.

But starting in the early 1980s, after the Securities and Exchange Commission removed limits on companies’ power to buy back their stock, these large, publicly traded companies began spending a portion of their net income on stock buybacks.
The trend was exacerbated in the 1990s, when the compensation packages of corporate chief executives were linked directly to the stock value, and has accelerated in recent years – even though it’s been little noticed and rarely discussed as a prime driver of economic inequality.

THIS IS HUGE, Gentle Reader. Huge. It proves what everyone except Teapubbies and all the other “small government” and supply-side eedjits have known for decades: the Reagan Revolution was a huge mistake, a f***-up for the ages, even worse than when the Senate handed Rome to Caligula. The nation’s woeful retreat from its former stability to the shambles of the present day is, once and for all: The. Fault. Of. Reagan. Era. Republicans.

And the longer America keep electing these criminally idiotic, venal, fact-challenged, big-mouthed-but-walnut-brained f***wits, the worse it’s gonna get. We need to vote each and every “Republican” who is currently IN office OUT of said office. And that soon.

Maybe someday, when Repubs go back to the pre-Reagan days of ideological and political sanity; then, and ONLY then, can we allow them back into power. But frankly, friends, we can’t AFFORD these Teapublican nitwits any longer. They have cost us dearly, far too dearly, and done far too much damage to be trusted now.

Now you know who to blame. Time to do something about it.
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Economist Proves: Reagan’s Deregulation caused Today’s Income Inequality. (Original Post) riqster Feb 2015 OP
K&R abelenkpe Feb 2015 #1
T&Y riqster Feb 2015 #2
"the Reagan Revolution was a huge mistake, a f***-up for the ages..." deutsey Feb 2015 #3
I love throwing their phrase back in their faces. riqster Feb 2015 #12
The Reagan Revolution meme: AlbertCat Feb 2015 #36
True. riqster Feb 2015 #45
But it wasn't a fuckup. It was a carefully planned strategy hifiguy Feb 2015 #56
Maybe the fuck-up was that so many in the middle class deutsey Feb 2015 #62
+1 riqster Feb 2015 #72
That was bad & a big part of it. Never met anyone who switched thank God, or admitted it. appalachiablue Mar 2015 #103
Yep, "welfare queens" and abortion... KatyMan Feb 2015 #78
Yet if there were jobs daredtowork Feb 2015 #92
Very true! riqster Mar 2015 #97
+10 appalachiablue Mar 2015 #104
Good piece. nt ladjf Feb 2015 #4
Thanks. riqster Feb 2015 #13
But stock buybacks are good for workers I've been told on DU. stillwaiting Feb 2015 #5
Lol! riqster Feb 2015 #16
Hope so! brush Feb 2015 #30
riqster is correct. I know it's impossible to tell these days around here. stillwaiting Feb 2015 #34
Modern corporate governance is misguided. riqster Feb 2015 #35
Yes, "shareholder value" above all. amandabeech Feb 2015 #66
And employee retention. riqster Feb 2015 #69
Absolutely! But they don't teach you that at the big B-schools. amandabeech Feb 2015 #71
Just so. riqster Feb 2015 #73
The OP states the stock buybacks (allowed under Reagan) benefit the CEOs and investors brush Feb 2015 #17
I interpreted stillwaiting's post as ironic. riqster Feb 2015 #27
Trolls and apologists gonna troll and apologize hifiguy Feb 2015 #58
See post 34. riqster Feb 2015 #64
Pretty sure hifiguy wasn't calling me a troll. stillwaiting Feb 2015 #74
Amen. I use the sarcasm icon. A lot. riqster Feb 2015 #75
I almost always do. Updated my orig. post to clear up any confusion. stillwaiting Feb 2015 #76
Thanks back atcha. riqster Feb 2015 #77
You are correct! hifiguy Feb 2015 #80
All true except just getting Republicans out! Corporations and the 1% own quite a few Dustlawyer Feb 2015 #6
That is true, and I completely agree. riqster Feb 2015 #10
must read later. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2015 #7
It's worth it. riqster Feb 2015 #9
Never thought anything different about his crackpot economic theories. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2015 #8
Nor I. riqster Feb 2015 #15
Never thought anything different about his crackpot economic theories. AlbertCat Feb 2015 #39
Laffer was and is laughable. riqster Feb 2015 #48
Laffer was and is laughable. AlbertCat Feb 2015 #60
A thing of positively Gordian beauty! riqster Feb 2015 #63
That looks like Reagan's dick, fucking the American citizenry blackspade Mar 2015 #93
Brain Bleach! riqster Mar 2015 #98
He he blackspade Mar 2015 #100
The turn back to oil, deregulation, disengagement from third world development SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2015 #11
S'truth. riqster Feb 2015 #14
The idjuts that call themselves libertarians, for sure... freebrew Feb 2015 #40
Fair point. riqster Feb 2015 #41
Thx.. freebrew Feb 2015 #43
Piketty supports this also wouldsman Feb 2015 #18
Piketty I respect. riqster Feb 2015 #22
That was the whole idea. Hissyspit Feb 2015 #19
Yep. riqster Feb 2015 #23
First things first. Everyone who reads this needs to forward this and the evidence to the WH with jwirr Feb 2015 #20
Good idea. riqster Feb 2015 #24
He should get that idea from the article. Time to realize that playing ball with the Rs is not the jwirr Feb 2015 #28
Yep. I meant that we also need to pass this along to others as well. riqster Feb 2015 #31
Yes. It is time to use the DU activist abilities. We are good at this kind of action. jwirr Feb 2015 #32
Agreed. riqster Feb 2015 #33
Instead of investing in their companies they cashed out GusBob Feb 2015 #21
Oh hellz yeah. riqster Feb 2015 #25
When the gov't proclaimed we were to go metric... freebrew Feb 2015 #42
It goes back to the 19th century here, but... riqster Feb 2015 #47
Did anyone find a link to Lazonick's paper? prairierose Feb 2015 #26
It's buried in the blog post. riqster Feb 2015 #29
Thank you rigster.... prairierose Feb 2015 #37
Me too. riqster Feb 2015 #38
"first Wall Street insider to lead the commission (SEC) in 50 years" One_Life_To_Give Feb 2015 #44
That's MISTER Fox to you! riqster Feb 2015 #46
Reaganomics worked great for those with Big Money. Octafish Feb 2015 #49
Quite welcome. riqster Feb 2015 #50
Lost cause? draytontiffanie Feb 2015 #51
My occupational therapist told me to specialize in lost causes. riqster Feb 2015 #52
While Blaming Regan may feel good, the truth is nowhere near as simple. One_Life_To_Give Feb 2015 #53
Point taken. Inequality as a phenomenon goes back millennia. riqster Feb 2015 #55
Weakening the 1930's reforms was huge, but still only a part. One_Life_To_Give Feb 2015 #59
Can't quarrel with that. riqster Feb 2015 #61
kr ND-Dem Feb 2015 #54
ty riqster Feb 2015 #57
Another thing we can thank Reagan for. Initech Feb 2015 #65
Ike was the last decent Republican Prexy. riqster Feb 2015 #67
No shit and fucking DUH, now are we going to fix it or are we going to keep "meeting in the middle" TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #68
Having an academically sound case can help us fix the problem. riqster Feb 2015 #70
While I agree that Reagan was a supreme asshole, TBF Feb 2015 #79
Reagan was good, but imperfect Yorktown Feb 2015 #81
I disagree. riqster Feb 2015 #84
What "dangerous path toward overadministration and regulation" was that? n/t cui bono Feb 2015 #91
Evidently, Carter was a Marxist or something. riqster Mar 2015 #101
And Reagan lifted morale by firing all the air traffic controllers. cui bono Mar 2015 #107
Um, no. Reagan was not good. blackspade Mar 2015 #96
Kick this into the faces of the corporatists. JEB Feb 2015 #82
That's the idea. riqster Feb 2015 #83
That Paper is Months Old - Why Haven't We Seen Action? daredtowork Feb 2015 #85
Probably because nobody made noise about it. riqster Feb 2015 #88
No shit JonLP24 Feb 2015 #86
Yep. This shows us what started the income inequality explosion of our times. riqster Feb 2015 #89
Thom Hartmann talks about this a lot, and says this is why the tax rate needs to be higher cui bono Feb 2015 #87
It's the rate and the accompanying regulations. riqster Feb 2015 #90
K&R Some labor for it, some against. nt raouldukelives Mar 2015 #94
And those who labor against are losing. riqster Mar 2015 #95
More proof that America was hijacked by economic terrorists / insurgents AZ Progressive Mar 2015 #99
Yep. This proof needs spread far and wide. riqster Mar 2015 #102
1980s Sherman Anti Trust Act (anti monopolies) & Fairness Doctrine not enforced- appalachiablue Mar 2015 #105
Yep, that is another bit of Reaganism that caused a lot of damage. riqster Mar 2015 #106

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
3. "the Reagan Revolution was a huge mistake, a f***-up for the ages..."
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 10:21 AM
Feb 2015

I've been saying that since 1980 (although I've always called it the "Reagan Reaction", not "revolution&quot .

riqster

(13,986 posts)
12. I love throwing their phrase back in their faces.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 11:17 AM
Feb 2015

Because it points out the oxymoronic nature of the Neocons. After all, a "conservative revolution" is a contradiction in terms.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
36. The Reagan Revolution meme:
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 12:39 PM
Feb 2015

"Greed is good"


which enabled the Bush meme:

"We make our own reality"


Both equally insane.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
56. But it wasn't a fuckup. It was a carefully planned strategy
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 02:30 PM
Feb 2015

to rape and destroy the middle class and create a feudal/royalist society. It has worked exactly as its creators intended it to.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
62. Maybe the fuck-up was that so many in the middle class
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 02:59 PM
Feb 2015

voted for and cheered Reagan on.

appalachiablue

(43,969 posts)
103. That was bad & a big part of it. Never met anyone who switched thank God, or admitted it.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 12:46 AM
Mar 2015

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
92. Yet if there were jobs
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 06:19 PM
Feb 2015

we wouldn't need all that money for welfare. There's the rub.

The great cognitive dissonance in the GOP is the idea that jobs spontaneously generate when the welfare rug is pulled out from under people. It actually works the other way around. When people have jobs, they don't fall back on welfare, which is a very sucky way to live even when it's maintained at survivable levels. This is such a "no duh" idea that it astounds me that it takes a fancy Harvard professor article to back up any policy moves.

When people are able to support themselves, they don't fall back on welfare. <<<<<<<<<<<THIS!

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
5. But stock buybacks are good for workers I've been told on DU.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 10:29 AM
Feb 2015

Last edited Fri Feb 27, 2015, 03:41 PM - Edit history (1)

All of that money that's spent to buyback stocks is actually benefitting the workers. It's not to benefit the investors and the corporate executives (thus contributing to income and wealth inequality). It's the workers that benefit, and so it's not a bad thing!!

What to believe?!

K&R.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
34. riqster is correct. I know it's impossible to tell these days around here.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 12:14 PM
Feb 2015

That's very unfortunate, and it does not bode well for the future.

I did have 2 posters tell me yesterday or the day before that stock buybacks are for workers/employees, and it's not a bad thing. Of course, neither are huge increases in dividends apparently according to them.

How a corporation allocates its funds is important, and when so many of these massively profitable corporations pay their workers so poorly these issues are important to address.

Glad that you seem to agree.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
35. Modern corporate governance is misguided.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 12:20 PM
Feb 2015

The near-total fixation on "shareholder value" at the expense of quality, consumer satisfaction, B2B relationships, infrastructural equity etc. is closely related to the issue covered in the OP. In time and degree.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
66. Yes, "shareholder value" above all.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 03:11 PM
Feb 2015

Some of the problem came from the rise of management consultants with their one size fits all, like McKinsey & Co. and Romney's Bain, the top B-schools and some courts.

As you have pointed out, any number of other important business functions fall by the wayside. I'd add to your list employee training and R&D.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
69. And employee retention.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 03:14 PM
Feb 2015

Best bang for the corporate buck comes from hiring and keeping good people.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
71. Absolutely! But they don't teach you that at the big B-schools.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 03:18 PM
Feb 2015

We're all identical grains of human wheat to them.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
73. Just so.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 03:20 PM
Feb 2015

I was trained in management by mentors. Then when I studied it in school, I knew what bits to ignore.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
17. The OP states the stock buybacks (allowed under Reagan) benefit the CEOs and investors
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 11:36 AM
Feb 2015

401ks where workers could own company stocks weren't that prominent in the early to mid-eighties so the buyback of stock, which drove up their value, clearly was geared to benefit company executives not workers as executive compensation was tied to the worth of company stock.

Also, CEOs for the most part, did their 5-7 year stint with big compensation packages that they were able to manipulate even higher by buying back the stock, then retired and cashed out with even more humongous compensation via golden parachutes.

When 401ks became more prominent and started to replace worker pensions, the workers who owned company stock through 401k plans were at the mercy of their company CEOs' managerial competency, anticipation of new industry and market development and, quite frankly, honesty — not to mention the ups and downs of the stock market (remember the disasters of Intel, Worldcom and Tyco).

IMO it's pretty clear who the buybacks are intended to benefit.



 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
58. Trolls and apologists gonna troll and apologize
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 02:32 PM
Feb 2015

especially when some of them are almost certainly paid to do so.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
74. Pretty sure hifiguy wasn't calling me a troll.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 03:38 PM
Feb 2015

I read it as calling out the posters I highlighted in my post.

Again, it's very hard to tell sometimes!!

Dustlawyer

(10,539 posts)
6. All true except just getting Republicans out! Corporations and the 1% own quite a few
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 11:00 AM
Feb 2015

Democrats too. The root problem is the legalized bribery in the form of campaign contributions, Super PACs and the Revolving door! We get Publicly Funded Elections and we can solve most of our problems!!!

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
7. must read later.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 11:08 AM
Feb 2015

Please, whoever's in charge of these things...don't let me forget. Really want to read this.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
39. Never thought anything different about his crackpot economic theories.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 12:44 PM
Feb 2015

How often have you heard this:


"Ahhhh... but it's SO COMPLICATED you don't understand.... you have to be an economist to get it....."

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
60. Laffer was and is laughable.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 02:52 PM
Feb 2015

Yes. Mathematician Martin Gardner destroyed the "Laffer Curve" the minute it "came out" with his "Neo-Laffer Curve"

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
11. The turn back to oil, deregulation, disengagement from third world development
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 11:16 AM
Feb 2015

and more has resulted in many of conditions that are breaking this nation.

Everyone for themselves is not a sustainable system.

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
40. The idjuts that call themselves libertarians, for sure...
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 12:45 PM
Feb 2015

yet, the opposite of that is authoritarians.

Too many folks can't discriminate between the 2.

The Pauls(Ron and Rand), and their followers are of that stripe for pure greed, plainly.

Yet, civil libertarians(I think) want to preserve the freedoms that we're(the people, not corporations) supposed to have FROM the government.

I'm not trying to argue with you, I agree with you. There needs to be a distinction, however.
Most of the liberals and 'far leftists' I know are of that type.
Maybe we should just call the Paulists greedheads?

Just wonderin'

wouldsman

(94 posts)
18. Piketty supports this also
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 11:41 AM
Feb 2015

SPecifically regarding this quote:
"when the compensation packages of corporate chief executives were linked directly to the stock value, and has accelerated in recent years – even though it’s been little noticed and rarely discussed as a prime driver of economic inequality. "
From page 264-265 of 'Capital':
"The second way of achieving such high inequality is a relatively new. It was largely created by the United States over the past few decades. Here we see that a very high level of total income inequality can be the result of a 'hyper meritocratic' society…..a society of superstars…or perhaps super managers……"

These super meritocrats Piketty refers to are these overpaid CEO's who are using their position (and stacking of their board with friends) to siphon a disproportionate amount of wealth out of the company and stockholders hands and into their own. He is not stating that they "merit" this, just that they do it.

"Regular Joe Citizen" really needs to read this article and grasp some of these complexities or we will never create the positive change our society needs.

Thanks for the article OP!

riqster

(13,986 posts)
22. Piketty I respect.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 11:52 AM
Feb 2015

Not sure I agree with the characterization of "meritocrats" in this case. In my experience, many of these profiteering bastards did not rise to their positions solely on merit. Rather, such ascension depends on relationships and influence.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
20. First things first. Everyone who reads this needs to forward this and the evidence to the WH with
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 11:42 AM
Feb 2015

their request to stop TPP. If he receives all kinds of copies maybe he will read it.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
28. He should get that idea from the article. Time to realize that playing ball with the Rs is not the
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 11:57 AM
Feb 2015

right way.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
31. Yep. I meant that we also need to pass this along to others as well.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 12:08 PM
Feb 2015

Senators, congresscritters, pundits, voters, newsies and so on.

This is critical info, and the more people that know it, the better.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
32. Yes. It is time to use the DU activist abilities. We are good at this kind of action.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 12:10 PM
Feb 2015

GusBob

(8,231 posts)
21. Instead of investing in their companies they cashed out
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 11:46 AM
Feb 2015

Thom Hartmann has rang this bell often.

My feeling is NAFTA made things worse as well

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
42. When the gov't proclaimed we were to go metric...
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 12:53 PM
Feb 2015

I saw the manufacturers put a seemingly total stop to retooling/investing in our factories.
Not sure if it was Carter or Nixon that started it. It was well past time anyway.

Since then, all of the factories I've worked have even refused to do regular maintenance on equipment.

Cheaper to buy new than to maintain the old? Tax breaks?
Seems the only investments they were interested in were for bonuses for firing labor.

And yeah, NAFTA didn't help anyone but the bosses.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
47. It goes back to the 19th century here, but...
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 01:27 PM
Feb 2015

The efforts we would remember started under Nixon and continued under Ford and Carter.

prairierose

(2,147 posts)
26. Did anyone find a link to Lazonick's paper?
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 11:55 AM
Feb 2015

The charts are incredible and the explanation makes sense but I would like to the see the whole paper.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
44. "first Wall Street insider to lead the commission (SEC) in 50 years"
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 01:17 PM
Feb 2015

Very relevant still today. Do we really want more insiders guarding the HenHouse?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
49. Reaganomics worked great for those with Big Money.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 01:46 PM
Feb 2015

For the rest of the nation, not at all.

Thank you for the heads up on "Profits without Prosperity," riqster. This is a big deal.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
50. Quite welcome.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 01:48 PM
Feb 2015

Now that we have proof, it's time to make sure everyone knows about it.

draytontiffanie

(26 posts)
51. Lost cause?
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 01:51 PM
Feb 2015

Even after identifying "the root" of the issue, considering so much damage has been done, isn't it just a lost cause?

riqster

(13,986 posts)
52. My occupational therapist told me to specialize in lost causes.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 02:09 PM
Feb 2015

Besides, the only causes that are truly lost are those that we gave up on.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
53. While Blaming Regan may feel good, the truth is nowhere near as simple.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 02:12 PM
Feb 2015

Took a whole lot more than one person or administration to get us here. Often times the choices seemed benign when first proposed. Allowing Radio and TV manufacturing to be taken over by Japan. Ostensibly so we could focus on more high tech items, made a certain amount of sense. Yet that trend from the 60's is referenced in this report as well.

Clearly we see financial deregulation ushered in with the modern conservative movement exemplified by Regan created much of the mess. But it was also a Clinton administration that in search of short term gains, repealed Glass-Steagall. And more recently has failed to put any of the 2008 disaster culprits behind bars. Even Regan/Bush 1's justice department put almost 900 S&L culprits in prison.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
55. Point taken. Inequality as a phenomenon goes back millennia.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 02:29 PM
Feb 2015

However, that was not the topic of my OP. The post-1979 explosion in income inequality is directly tied to Reaganista policies.

If deregulation can be proven to be the cause, we can now more effectively push for reregulation.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
59. Weakening the 1930's reforms was huge, but still only a part.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 02:39 PM
Feb 2015

Trouble is many policy changes have weakened the original reforms created in the wake of the 29 crash. Additionally to changes there over the last 50 yrs, those being regulated have also evolved. Having a revolving door between the regulator and regulated undermines what re-regulation we put back in place. In the end the "system" has to work, individual pieces can break a system but by themselves won't fix it.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
61. Can't quarrel with that.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 02:58 PM
Feb 2015

Thing is, we cannot let the inability to completely fix a problem whose origins lie in antiquity stop us from diagnosing and fixing such parts of the problem as we can.

Initech

(108,521 posts)
65. Another thing we can thank Reagan for.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 03:11 PM
Feb 2015

The Reagan "revolution" and the Southern Strategy were the two single biggest mistakes we ever made as a country and we're going to be paying for them for centuries. Fuck Reagan.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
68. No shit and fucking DUH, now are we going to fix it or are we going to keep "meeting in the middle"
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 03:13 PM
Feb 2015

to seek "bipartisan consensus" or more accurately actually just embracing the paradigm (along with Bush's counter constitutionalism and interventionism) and focus on the remaining distinctions to the exclusion of what we know here?

riqster

(13,986 posts)
70. Having an academically sound case can help us fix the problem.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 03:16 PM
Feb 2015

If, and only if, we demand it.

TBF

(36,417 posts)
79. While I agree that Reagan was a supreme asshole,
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 08:31 PM
Feb 2015

you've got to add repeal of portions of Glass Steagall and NAFTA to your list of things that are wrong.

And Citizen's United.

Plenty of blame to go around if you look at TPTB. I will say, however, that the so-called Reagan Revolution got the wheels spinning in the wrong direction.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
81. Reagan was good, but imperfect
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 09:39 PM
Feb 2015

To make an economy progress, it's a bit like skiing, you need both the Left and the Right.

True, Reagan launched the rise of deficits by cutting taxes. But that was unintended. As he confessed to Laffer, Reagan never believed Congress would be foolish enough not to match the tax cuts with spending cuts. That's not saying Reagan was blameless, and the fault was that of Congress, just that Reagan satisfied himself with just the easy sell and not the hard preaching.

But it should also be acknowledged that Reagan helped break the dangerous path toward overadministration and regulation. And let's be honest, there was also a problem of national ego. It's probably not going to be very DU-Correct to say, but after VietNam + Watergate, Carter hadn't been precisely boosting up the morale of the country. Reagan did break the USSR's back, but, here again, by overspending.

In short, Reagan brought back morale and broke some rigidities and overadministration, correcting some Left foot mistakes.

But, launching deficit spending and rising inequalities, he ushered in some Right foot mistakes, not corrected by Clinton and worsened by that genius, GW Bush.

Obama did some nice re-centering with the ACA, but didn't make a dent in inequalities or deficit spending.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
84. I disagree.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 03:17 PM
Feb 2015

In this case at least, the deregulation effort cited has been proven to have a deleterious effect.

So cheering him for deregulation seems quite odd.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
107. And Reagan lifted morale by firing all the air traffic controllers.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 06:36 PM
Mar 2015

Or something.

I notice that poster hasn't returned to continue the discussion. Just a hit and run of right wing bs. But then we have a president who admires Reagan as well. Ugh.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
96. Um, no. Reagan was not good.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 12:07 PM
Mar 2015

Your skiing analogy is false. Equating sound economic regulations with massive deficit spending as merely left vs right misses the greater point that the 'right' is bankrupt of ideas to effectively govern. This started with the Reagan administration.

And to say that Carter was not boosting moral? Really? So telling the truth about the future of energy security and the problems with the corporate system was bad for moral? Are we a nation of children? Reagan 'boosted moral' based on lies.

And over administration and regulation? Provide some examples please.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
85. That Paper is Months Old - Why Haven't We Seen Action?
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 03:30 PM
Feb 2015

Like immediate restoration of limits on corporate stock buy backs? If there is general agreement this is the "cause", shouldn't we be seeing remedies applied to encourage a return to R&D, investing in employees, etc.?

riqster

(13,986 posts)
88. Probably because nobody made noise about it.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 05:45 PM
Feb 2015

Thus my posting it. Let's start making the noise.

JonLP24

(29,907 posts)
86. No shit
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 03:33 PM
Feb 2015

The African American population has been in a recession since the Reagan administration and hit hard by the housing crisis in the "Great Recession".

riqster

(13,986 posts)
89. Yep. This shows us what started the income inequality explosion of our times.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 05:47 PM
Feb 2015

That is the only unique element.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
87. Thom Hartmann talks about this a lot, and says this is why the tax rate needs to be higher
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 05:13 PM
Feb 2015

on higher incomes so that there's less incentive to take the money and run. If it's going to be taxed higher it makes more sense to put it back into the business than pay it in taxes.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
99. More proof that America was hijacked by economic terrorists / insurgents
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 03:04 PM
Mar 2015

Anti-American 1%ers who hate democracy and America's forefathers.

appalachiablue

(43,969 posts)
105. 1980s Sherman Anti Trust Act (anti monopolies) & Fairness Doctrine not enforced-
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 01:14 AM
Mar 2015

IT'S THE STOCK OPTIONS, STUPID. Not just for the main, ogre CEO (Jack Welch type) but the many layers of senior execs. VPs, junior execs. VPs and some Directors that are granted stocks that count on healthy annual stock option awards with their salaries. Employees get wind and want to catch a ride up.
The stock value is what they talk about at Xmas parties in anticipation of their salary news that month, from what I know. 100k-300k of options on top of 75-150k salary is real nice if you can get it, and quite the motivator. Sister in law was admin. asst. to a VP, said much about all this.

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