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Message auto-removed (Original Post) Name removed Feb 2015 OP
Yeah, but you know, like, we need oil and stuff. Atman Feb 2015 #1
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #3
Sowing the dragon's teeth. nt CJCRANE Feb 2015 #2
Who did we antagonize to provoke the 9/11 attacks? (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #4
Why don't you ask Shrub's friends. CJCRANE Feb 2015 #6
Erect Bogeyman, wave flag, declare we need protection, give more money to the MIC. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #5
the Romans had a saying guillaumeb Feb 2015 #7
The Brits came to the same conclusion a century ago ... eppur_se_muova Feb 2015 #8

Atman

(31,464 posts)
1. Yeah, but you know, like, we need oil and stuff.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 10:49 AM
Feb 2015

Please understand, I'm being sarcastic. But there are a lot of very rich people who don't know how to do ANYTHING else except wage war. Their companies are intertwined with our government to make money invading countries and killing people. Ironic that we're so "advanced" yet so tribal. Cave men with suits, and with much bigger clubs. I don't see that it will ever change. As long as there is money to be made by being an aggressor, nations like ours will be the aggressor. It is basic economics.

Response to Atman (Reply #1)

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
2. Sowing the dragon's teeth. nt
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 10:51 AM
Feb 2015

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
4. Who did we antagonize to provoke the 9/11 attacks? (nt)
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 11:53 AM
Feb 2015

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
6. Why don't you ask Shrub's friends.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 12:13 PM
Feb 2015

It seems the full story hasn't been told yet.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
5. Erect Bogeyman, wave flag, declare we need protection, give more money to the MIC.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 11:55 AM
Feb 2015

Works every time.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
7. the Romans had a saying
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 12:16 PM
Feb 2015

"cui bono" or, "to whom the good". Another version is follow the money.

The Empire is all about money, or making money for the 1%. War is a very profitable business for the people who own the war industries. Not so good for the people who are killed or maimed in the fighting, but the war whores never fight.

Speaking of war whores, Dick Cheney's company, Haliburton, was not doing well prior to 9/11, but after years of no-bid contracts Haliburton is in good shape.

If you did not have to fund the Empire you could provide healthcare for your citizens, fix your roads, improve your rail lines, all the infrastructure that has decayed. Fund schooling for all from K-University. Fund Social Security and decrease the retirement age rather than call for a retirement at 70.

But that would not be profitable for the 1%, and besides, the war machine enables the US to take whatever it needs rather than actually treat others as equals.

eppur_se_muova

(41,350 posts)
8. The Brits came to the same conclusion a century ago ...
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 02:17 PM
Feb 2015

the breakup of the British colonial empire came about because voters were dissatisfied with the costs -- in blood and money -- of maintaining the natives in continuous subjugation. Politicians were still trying to extend the empire, grabbing land from the breakup of the Ottoman Empire, but the people wanted their boys to come home. Even Rudyard Kipling, who formerly glorified the Empire unstintingly, became disheartened at the waste:

Arithmetic on the Frontier
Rudyard Kipling

A great and glorious thing it is
To learn, for seven years or so,
The Lord knows what of that and this,
Ere reckoned fit to face the foe --
The flying bullet down the Pass,
That whistles clear: "All flesh is grass."

Three hundred pounds per annum spent
On making brain and body meeter
For all the murderous intent
Comprised in "villanous saltpetre!"
And after -- ask the Yusufzaies
What comes of all our 'ologies.

A scrimmage in a Border Station --
A canter down some dark defile --
Two thousand pounds of education
Drops to a ten-rupee jezail --
The Crammer's boast, the Squadron's pride,
Shot like a rabbit in a ride!

No proposition Euclid wrote,
No formulae the text-books know,
Will turn the bullet from your coat,
Or ward the tulwar's downward blow
Strike hard who cares -- shoot straight who can --
The odds are on the cheaper man.

One sword-knot stolen from the camp
Will pay for all the school expenses
Of any Kurrum Valley scamp
Who knows no word of moods and tenses,
But, being blessed with perfect sight,
Picks off our messmates left and right.

With home-bred hordes the hillsides teem,
The troop-ships bring us one by one,
At vast expense of time and steam,
To slay Afridis where they run.
The "captives of our bow and spear"
Are cheap -- alas! as we are dear.


There was a time when "empire" was a dirty word in American politics -- many intellectuals opposed the American annexation of the Phillipines after the Spanish-American War, and called it imperialism. Neocons now use the same word with pride.
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