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Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 01:44 AM Mar 2015

The Future of U.S. Israel Relations

You will not hear any American or Israeli politician deviate from this script: “The U.S. Israel relationship is rock solid, and deeper than any possible disagreement between any two leaders.” True enough, but the rock solid relationship between Israel and the United States has fault lines running through it. How could it be otherwise? It's in the nature of rock itself for fractures to embed that may subsist for decades or generations without shifting, until accumulated stress creates a rapture. It is foolish for Israel's leaders to believe otherwise/.

The current Israel is not so old as countries go, it's age is counted in double digits, much like mine. Even so support for Israel has shifted in my lifetime. It has its ups and downs, in Europe certainly, but also here in the United .States. Support for a Jewish homeland was historically powerfully strengthened by, and Israel's rebirth as a nation itself is the direct result of, the evil that was the Holocaust. Antisemitism is many centuries old, but the Holocaust isn't. Still actual Holocaust survivors continue to die off, as time will always have it. Though what happened then will never be forgotten, it may not always be remembered quite as sharply for many as it still is today. History, unfortunately, is predictably layered with horrors, of greater and lesser brutality. All of them eventually age with time. Some do so quickly, others more slowly. The memory of each lingers longest in those whose direct ancestors were victims.

I was born in 1949, shortly after Israel itself and after the evil that caused the Holocaust was vanquished, the son of a soldier who participated in the liberation of death camps. I am not Jewish, but growing up on Long Island brought me Jewish friends, and familiarity with Jewish culture. My family wasn't very political nor was I while growing up. World issues were rarely discussed

The Holocaust was little more than 20 years distant back then but I usually only thought of it in the context of the Viet Nam War which was raging as I reached draft age, wondering could I really be a conscientious objector if I would have volunteered to fight Hitler? Israel captured my interest most then during two wars it became embroiled in with its Arab neighbors, the 6 Day War in June of 1967 and the Yom Kippur War in the Fall of 1973. Oddly those seemed to bookend the peak years of the U.S. engagement in Viet Nam, which added to their seeming relevence. I supported Israel's in those wars unhesitatingly back them, linking those conflicts in my mind to the Jewish struggle for existence during World War II. I remembered only dimly at best when the United States actually opposed Israeli military actions during the Suez Crisis of 1956.

I knew little about Arab Countries or the Muslim world in general back then, aside from realizing that Egypt's Abdul Nasser was a leader of the non alligned nation bloc during the ongoing Cold War. It took another Egyptian President, Anwar Sadat, to awaken sympathy in me for people who previously I thought of mostly as adversaries of Israel. Like most Americans of my generation, I grew up inheriting strong sympathies for Israel, and I saw no good reason to question them.

That is how a “rock solid” relationship with another nation manifests: it rests on a foundation of widely shared essentially unquestioned loyalty that takes on the form of a self fulfilling prophesy, precisely because it is so widely shared. The aftermath of World War II cemented that status for Israel among several generations of Americans. Of course we also have shared values with Israel, of course there are strong and historic ties between our people. The same can be said even more so regarding America and France, but that didn't prevent a strong backlash of anti-French sentiments here when France was less than enthusiastic about the U.S. invading Iraq. The glow is off the French American relationship although we have mostly remained allies.

Israel counts on nonpartisan and widely felt American loyalty today, and it has good reason to be confident of that, today. But for how many tomorrows can that confidence extend? Israel counted on American support during the Yom Kippur War, in an existential sense it virtually depended on it. Israel still remains a mostly Jewish spot in an overwhelmingly Muslim region. 40 years after the Yom Kippur War unbending American support is just as essential to Israel as it ever was, maybe even more so. There is little reason to believe the same won't be true in another 40 years. But there are clear signs today that that the previous level of unquestioned support for Israel is beginning to erode among increasing numbers of younger Americans in particular.

That may not yet be apparent inside America's Halls of Power dominated as they are by the over 50 set. At least it hasn't been prior to Israel's current Prime Minister's willingness to exploit American partisan differences in service to his perception of Israel's interests, and seemingly his own short term political needs. A potent security threat to Israel lies below the surface, among younger generations of Americans who grew up exposed daily to horrors more recent than the holocaust, who increasingly see the state of Israel’s actions in regards to the Palestinian issue in far less than a wholly positive light. And who now see Israel's Prime Minister arriving in Washington in a blatant effort to undermine sensitive negotiations that America's twice elected (with strong youth support) President says is the last best chance to prevent Iran from acquiring the means to produce nuclear weapons.

Should those negotiations fail it seems probable that America will end up fighting a new war with Iran in support of Israel, with impossible to predict long term adverse consequences. If Peace is NOT given a chance, and America is plunged into a new round of Middle East wars before, in the eyes of many Americans, all other options are exhausted, what will be the fallout in long term American public opinion toward Israel? How will that effect future American support for that state whenever they need it again?

If support for Israel's Prime Minister is employed as a political club in the Republican Party's continuing domestic war against a President they never have accepted, when will support for Israel cease to unquestionably be nonpartisan inside an America where increasingly few issues remain above that fray? And how will THAT effect Israel's long term security?

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Behind the Aegis

(53,921 posts)
2. Sounds like a set up to blame Israel for yet another war.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 05:11 AM
Mar 2015

Some of the things you say are correct, and some leave out a good chuck of historic reality. Israel was "created" not only because of the Holocaust, which many today love to ignore, minimize, and even deny, but because of rampant anti-Semitism. The good Allies didn't want "those people" in their country, so they set up another one. Ship them there. Despite the knowledge of the horrors of the Holocaust, many still didn't give two shits about Jews. The US took interest in Israel because it was seen as a foothold in an area where the US had none and as a counterpoint to the developing Soviet influence.

The current government of Israel is just that, current. Like any nation, it changes and its leaders fall in and out of favor. The situation is extremely complex and not able to be boiled down to 'talking points' except by those who really don't understand the political reality of the region or the world. Honestly, I don't think there is any real concern for Israel's security except how it benefits the US, which isn't surprising.

The situation will play itself out, and continued to be used as fodder for both sides, but the reality is, the interests of the US will always take precedence. This is hardly surprising.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
6. Yes I agree, as stated, that antisemitism though ancient is still current and...
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 09:46 AM
Mar 2015

It gave strong impetus to Jews world wide to seek the protection of their own homeland long before the holocaust occurred. I concede I did not nuance that well enough, but the holocaust certainly helped rally non-Jewish support for the creation of Israel, whether it was for enlightened reasons or most darkly, as an acceptable way to reduce the remnant Jewish population within "host" countries (which of course would be a direct expression of antisemitism - as a belief that Jews can't really claim a full stake in the lands that they were born in.)

Ultimately any survival strategy is only as good as the results it brings. Israel today is a strong nation fiercely committed to making any sacrifice necessary to protect the Jewish people. But to use a war analogy, even the most well trained and committed elite special forces unit can not survive indefinitely cut off from support behind enemy lines, no matter how strong their fighting spirit and ability may be. We can and perhaps should discuss what heightens and what lessens support for Israel inside both America and Europe Prejudice against Jews may well be baked into the equation, but variables still influence the ebb and flow of the degree support that Israel depends on. Hardened and resolved as Israel may be it can not indefinitely make it on its own.

The Prime Minister of Israel can not name an American-born former Republican political operative as his Ambassador to Washington without anticipating potential partisan fall out becoming injected into the U.S. and Israeli relationship. For those who might argue otherwise the proof is now in the pudding. The Prime Minister of Israel can not expect to address a joint session of the U.S. Congress with the expressed intent of arguing against the policy being pursued by the American President on a matter of war and peace without anticipating that Israel's exposure to possible blame for a war that follows a collapse in negotiations that he himself sought to torpedo might well result.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
9. My father used to tell me that the allies were not interested in protecting Jews. He said if they
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 10:45 AM
Mar 2015

were they never would have set them down in the middle of their traditional enemies. Said if they had been interested in the safety of the Jews they would have given them Nebraska in the middle of our own country.

He died shortly after the hate preachers on TV started their hate campaigns. Even then he warned us about them so I am not sure Nebraska would have been much safer.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
4. An original, well-reasoned original OP--haven't seen too many of those lately.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 06:04 AM
Mar 2015

I think it's more than Holocaust memories fading that don't bode well for Israel. Baby Boomers like ourselves have witnessed unjustified military aggression against Israel by its neighbors (who were justifiably slapped down hard), and decades of really vicious behavior by the PLO like pitching an old man in a wheelchair overboard from a cruise ship.

Millenials have never been direct witnesses to that history. What they see is a nasty small-scale imperial bully state stealing land and water, and leveling the infrastructure of people with almost no military capacity for fighting back. And major public disrespect for the first president that so many of them actively campaigned for. This is what they will remember when they take the reins of power.

Israel did not have to become an occupying power after 1973--a really bad choice for the long run.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
5. Yes, Leon Klinghoffe, the Munich Olympics, and other afronts to decency...
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 09:22 AM
Mar 2015

I remember them well as do you. Not everyone does, not in their own personal experience of history, anyway. I thought of mentioning events like those that we both bore witness to as adults in my OP, but I feared it already was too long without it. Thank you for bringing that into the discussion. I fully agree with all that you wrote.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
7. DU surprises me sometimes
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:01 AM
Mar 2015

I thought this topic would get more clicks on a day like today. Not necessarily that many full reads given the length of the OP, to say nothing about agreement. The subject elicits enough controversy to generally be confined to a separate forum. Actually this OP has gotten both more support than I expected and less clicks than I anticipated. Shows what I know.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
8. Bibi had his moment Yes I believe he damaged U.S. Israel relations
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 08:34 AM
Mar 2015

Short term, a bit - but the deeper damage will emerge over the next 5 to 10 years.

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