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The degradation and sexual exploitation of black womens work dates back to slavery.The degradation and sexual exploitation of Black womens work dates back to slaveryits an American tradition at this point. Even after slavery was outlawed, rape was used as a means of reminding Black women of their place, just as lynching was used against Black men (though history rarely mentions this legacy of the Jim Crow era).
The sexism of larger society was reproduced in Black liberation movements, which limited the roles women were allowed to play. While Black men dominated leadership roles, Black women were expected to remain behind the scenes. When Black women activists were made national icons, it was in the stereotypical role ascribed to Black womanhood: stoic, long-suffering motherly figures. Rosa Parks is popularly remembered as a humble, quiet seamstress who spontaneously decided to stand up to her oppressors. In fact, she was a fiery activist who was branch secretary in the Montgomery chapter of the NAACP. Parks, a victim of attempted rape herself, investigated sexual violence targeted at Black women as one of her duties as branch secretary. Yet Parkss legacy was sanitized in order to maintain her respectability and to minimize any contributions to the movement that fell outside of her expected social role. Parks was somewhat complicit in the sanitization of her legacy to ensure the story of the civil rights movement and her involvement in it remained consistent. To speak out against it at the time would have distracted from the focus of the movement (racism) and also implicated its leaders in sexist oppression. Her own needs were put aside in favor of the greater good.
In both the feminist and Black liberation movements of the 1960s and 70s, the need for Black women to remain behind the scenes was crucial to courting public favor with white America. In both movements, Black women were told they would have to wait until the goals of the movement were reached before their specific needs would be addressed.
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randys1
(16,286 posts)and one white woman in central california was pregnant and missing
It was wall to wall coverage on both, forget their names now, and there is NO way if either were Black would it have made the news, at all.
American media, maybe all media, and most white people do not value POC lives hardly at all..
I do remember a black woman missing recently in (I think Maryland, DE area)... I may have the area wrong.
HUGE coverage and numerous replays of the video that caught her abduction.
Thank god she was found alive.
randys1
(16,286 posts)The two I am thinking of were headlines, everywhere, all day everyday for months
cwydro
(51,308 posts)And there was another. A doctor (med student) who went missing. Both were all over CNN. The med student turned out to be someone who was dealing with a nervous breakdown.
She was found.
The other was kidnapped but thank god, found alive. A black man kidnapped her.
Here in NC, a young black woman went missing some years ago. A very big story. A man (also black and a friend of her family) has been charged with her murder.
Two mistrials so far. They will charge him again.
It's still in the news down here...and this is in a small NC town.
Let's stop the race-baiting.
I guess you see what you want to see.
randys1
(16,286 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)It's economic status that counts in this country.
randys1
(16,286 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)You want to keep up this nonsense, then go ahead.
I don't get into pissing contests on DU. No point.
I simply pointed out that there are very notable news stories about missing black women.
Apparently, that did not fit your narrative. So now you've decided to attack me.
Good night, dear one.
Sleep tight.
randys1
(16,286 posts)what their life experience is, you are saying that race isnt the issue, money or economics is.
A white person cant say that economic status is the issue and not race, do you get that?
Number23
(24,544 posts)So sayeth someone that wishes all other ills would go away so that we can focus on the ones that affect THEM?
sheshe2
(97,626 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)to wait for.
Schools
Organizations
Colleges
Sororities
Corporations
NGOs
Most black women I know, no matter how "upwardly mobile" are pretty bad at waiting.
Go Woman!
The faces of the forgotten: Heartbreaking plight of the 64,000 black women missing across America... as the country turns a blind eye
'When we hear the term missing persons, most people conjure up images of Chandra Levy, Caylee Anthony or Natalee Holloway,' says charity
40 per cent of all missing persons are black
A renewed campaign to highlight hundreds of missing African-American women has been launched amid ongoing criticism that less attention is given to their cases by authorities and the media.
According to the National Crime Information Center, nearly 40 per cent of those who have disappeared, often in suspicious circumstances, are black. However critics allege that public attention mainly focuses on white women who have vanished.
According to the Black And Missing Foundation, most women disappear in the states of New York, Georgia, North Carolina, Maryland and Florida.
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tishaLA
(14,777 posts)which is that African American women have been devalued both in the mainstream feminist movement and in the Black liberation movement.
randys1
(16,286 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)I meant the race baiting needs to stop everywhere.
But if you want to take it personally - hey go ahead.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Every single POC i have spoken with has a different take, so I follow their lead
I dont personally have a life experience that allows me to make the judgment, if you are a POC then I will leave it at that
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I AM a "POC". I have a color...it is generally tannish whitish reddish (English heritage).
I hate that acronym, which in my opinion turns a person into a thing, imo.
My gf is black. She lives here in NC also. We've both been following the case of the murdered Monroe young woman.
I'm going to cease my communication with you because you have obviously been looking for an argument.
My point only, as my gf was helpful enough to point out lol, is that times are changing. How sad that I was trying to say that the MSM IS beginning to report these things.
Nah, you had to attack me for that. No worries. You got your agenda. Been here long enough to recognize an agenda when I see one.
Hey, how bout this? I'll pm you every missing "POC" story I find, OK?
Done here.
Have a good night.
tishaLA
(14,777 posts)He said, correctly I think, that the general consensus at DU is that class is--I'm not going to be as eloquent as he--the primary analytic paradigm; he, and many others, both POC and non-OC, see that as insufficient and believe that foregrounding race as an analytical lens in imperative.
To analyze the persistence of race and racism is not "race baiting," though, any more than analyzing the role of class is engaging in "class warfare." It is merely a different mode of analysis.
--the primary analytic paradigm; he, and many others, both POC and non-OC, see that as insufficient and believe that foregrounding race as an analytical lens in imperative.
Huh?
Some verbs missing in that sentence.
tishaLA
(14,777 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Read it over.
Hey listen, we're all fighting on the same side here.
My whole point was that the MSM FINALLY was reporting when women (who were not white) disappeared.
That pissed off the OP apparently. I've been attacked since then. Perhaps I said things wrongly.
I'll take any incremental change in this world as a good one.
I'm over 50. Things have changed. Some have stayed the same.
But I'm hopeful for the future...as I always have been.
tishaLA
(14,777 posts)1SBM said that the general consensus at DU is that class is the primary analytic paradigm; he and many others see that (paradigm) as insufficient.
He said it much more eloquently, and with significantly fewer subordinate clauses, than I did.
sheshe2
(97,626 posts)It is my opinion piece and even though you have pissed me off, you were not responding to me.
The incident mentioned happened in 1963.
From my OP.
On June 9, 1963, Fannie Lou Hamer was arrested in Montgomery County, Mississippi, along with June Johnson, Euvester Simpson, Rosemary Freeman, and Annelle Ponder. The five women were on their way back from a voter registration workshop in South Carolina. Upon their arrival at the Montgomery County jail, Hamer, Johnson, and Ponder were subjected to vicious brutality at the direction of notorious racist Sheriff Earl Wayne Patridge.
So pats on the back for 2 that were reported in the news just isn't nearly good enough. We should be ashamed, as a white woman, I know that I am.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I know about Fannie Lou Hamer. I must have misread the OP...because I'm talking about this century. Yes, the crap that went on in this country in the last century? Horrid...hey, I'm old...I was here and I saw/heard it.
I thought we were talking about now. Things are changing. Thank the goddess.
We're on the same side sheshe.
Truly, we are.
I'm tired and dealing with an ill mom who is 88.
If I do not express myself correctly, well, that's on me.. But hey, we are on the same side, believe it or not.
Peace out.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Same as poor men.
Money speaks in this country. And job status.
tishaLA
(14,777 posts)who deal with race issues in addition to gender and class issues, is something entirely different. For example, the feminist movement--and to their credit, many of the leaders of second wave feminism have addressed this--dealt insufficiently with the specific concerns of African American, Latina, and Asian women, whose social position, aspirations, etc may not overlap with those of women in "the dominant culture."
cwydro
(51,308 posts)or African American women!
I do!
tishaLA
(14,777 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Yes I understand the brutality visited upon ALL women...of ALL races.
Yes, I am very well read (and very well aware of) what African American women have dealt with in this country in the past.
I'm not a young woman. My black and Hispanic friends range from 25 to my age (over 50). They are tough as nails. I've heard their stories and they've heard mine.
I don't care that I was white. I was female and was not allowed to play a trumpet in grade school (no, that's a boy's instrument). I wanted to run track in high school (no, there is no girl's track team). I could go on.
We women of a certain age dealt with prejudice and discrimination from childhood on up. Gah, the stories I could tell of when I was in the Air Force. Sexual harassment was not frowned upon, lol, it was a daily experience.
Sorry if I did not respond as you wanted.
tishaLA
(14,777 posts)and I don't doubt your accounts of the things you have faced--because we still face many of them today. I am simply saying that examining the specific problems faced by African American women, which is what the OP is about, is impossible without also examining the role race plays in oppression alongside misogyny and/or poverty.
I completely agree with your post.
However again, the African American women I know, and there are many, are not in the LEAST oppressed, nor do they feel that they are. They are all professional women, educated, upwardly mobile, and they need no "sympathy" from anyone.
Poor women, uneducated women, of any color...they are the ones who will face more oppression.
tishaLA
(14,777 posts)although I landed on it anyhow. Every other word I thought of seemed too dismissive
But you are very fortunate to know only professional, educated, upwardly mobile African American women who don't feel the sting of race and racism.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Oprah Winfrey suffers from racism, and she is all those things and more. I remember the handbag incident.
Number23
(24,544 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)You said it. They live in the same place as dragons.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the poster knows a bunch of accomplished Black women ... in North Carolina ... and none of them feel "oppressed"?
I'd bet if you, or I, were to ask them ... the answer might be a little different!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I give up.
Number23
(24,544 posts)P.S. You might want to take a second and look at this video from several educated, accomplished, "upwardly mobile" black women that say the utter and complete opposite of whatever it is you are trying to say in this thread.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/118712632
cwydro
(51,308 posts)All I was "trying to say in this thread" was that I do think things are getting better.
Believe me, I know of discrimination on many many levels. I just see things changing for the better (incrementally maybe, but changing).
But I also realize that optimism is frowned upon here on DU.
So y'all go on and I'll leave you to it.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)apparently the practice is so prevalent that social scientists have a name for it "shopping while black". And people of all political persuasions can talk about "post-racial America" with a straight face.
I am a white male, by the way. Have never experienced racial discrimination, but my eyes and ears are open all the time and I see and hear it all the time. How much worse to be the object of it rather than the observer of it? Plus we have the brutal insults and assaults on President Obama and his family if we do not see discrimination where we live.
More info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shopping_while_black
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I'm not as nice as those women. I talk shit real loud.
I reckon I am.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)I would suggest you show this very thread to any and all of the black professional women that you know, and get their exact response to this thread.
You might find it illuminating.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)I am harassed, followed, and mistreated.
Class and education have nothing to do with it. Gender and race do!
Thanks so much!
cwydro
(51,308 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)and "upwardly mobile", and if asked (especially by a white person) whether I need sympathy for being oppressed, the answer would be a resounding "No", as well.
But to shine different light on the matter, ask any one of these accomplished Women of Color, if they believe/feel their careers had been negatively affected by their being Women of Color ... Ask them whether they believe/feel they would/could have accomplished so much more; but for, their being Women of Color.
Your argument is a variation on the tired old "racial discrimination is dead because Oprah is a millionaire" ... She made her millions in spite of society's racial view; and still, her millions don't insulate her from the indignities that she suffers because of her race, indignities that not even the poorest of white women would face.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)How in the world can you accuse some of "race baiting," essentially suggesting that we are lying about what we know to be true?
That is offensive. It is nonsensical. I'm trying to be patient with you. And I see nothing funny at all. I think you are very condescending and borderline despicable with your attitude and remarks.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)who disappeared into thin air.
Due to a nervous breakdown.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)a well know preacher. There was a trail of her activities that abruptly ended when she seemed to vanish into thin air, while in a confused panic.
Did you see her videos and tweets about the man she had been stalking and carrying on an imaginary relationship with- she moved there to be with him, cooked dinner for him when he was not there- and posted about it? Very strange and sad stuff, that a med student so very ill could not get help, and continue to work without her mental crises being addressed. A quite dramatic story- I am sure there will be books and movies about it.
Do you have any stories about black women being abducted that would not make excellent Lifetime movies? Or, are you trying to prove the point of the OP?
tularetom
(23,664 posts)and Lacey Peterson was the one in Modesto CA who was pregnant.
Peterson's body was found in SF Bay and her husband was ultimately convicted of killing her. He's now on death row in San Quentin.
Levy was an intern in the office of Cong. Gary Condit who also represented the Modesto area. She was killed in DC and her body was found in a park near a popular jogging trail. Condit was unable to provide a convincing alibi and he was suspected for a long time of being involved in her disappearance. Ultimately he lost his job over the case, but a homeless guy was ultimately caught and convicted of her murder. I think there were some issues with the trial and there may be an appeal going on currently.
randys1
(16,286 posts)of what I was talking about and nothing has changed.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)about the same time.
And a short time later, that congressman abruptly resigned his office and divorced his wife.
AFAIK, the case remains unsolved. The former congressman is still around and very visible. In fact you can see him every morning if you don't mind getting up really early and watching an asshole.
JustAnotherGen
(38,054 posts)onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)malaise
(296,103 posts)feminine or indeed delicate so we don't count. It's a complex subject because on the one hand it has given us space but, on the other hand it is racist to the core.
sheshe2
(97,626 posts)feminine or indeed delicate so we don't count. It's a complex subject because on the one hand it has given us space but, on the other hand it is racist to the core.
I think part of it is because you are strong and you scare the heck out of them. It's their loss that they ignore black women. You are indeed feminine, delicate yet your strength carries you.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Black women are not feminine HUH?
I must have missed that memo.
<...> The concept of femininity has long been fraught for Black American women in particular because they have historically been
treated as though they exist outside of its boundaries as they faced economic exploitation, virulent stereotyping, and lack of legal
protection by virtue of their race (Collins, 2000). We use the term race in this article to acknowledge the structural inequality
associated with this socially constructed status (Helms & Talleyrand, 1997). Depictions of Black women as unattractive (Sekayi,
2003), aggressive (Freydberg, 1995), sexually promiscuous, and bad mothers (Hancock, 2004; Roberts, 1997) continue in the
popular imagination. Interview studies report that many Black women feel keenly that this normative femininity places them at a
disadvantage, both in comparison to White women, and in the eyes of men (Jones & Shorter-Goodwin, 2003; Rose, 2003). Indeed,
Thomas, Witherspoon, and Speight (2004) found that Black women who endorsed stereotypes of Black women grounded in
negative historical representations had lower self esteem. <...>
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=14&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CGIQFjAN&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsitemaker.umich.edu%2Fcole.qsort%2Ffiles%2Fcole___zucker_07.pdf&ei=RxH1VPDuD9booASlxoLICQ&usg=AFQjCNFzZ6vsTBSY-V_MQsu9BCLb-XXbrQ&sig2=sVI3Qhj8c5DDgzRUApu8uw
Also, I think that if you'd search "The Cult of True Womanhood" and race, you'd see a good deal of sources that address the question of femininity and African American women.
I am only speaking for me as a white woman who loves a black woman.
I really could give a flying **** what any man thinks about me as a white woman or any black woman.
Who the F cares what men consider "feminine" or "desirable"?
I do not care one iota what the greater society or whomever considers feminine or desirable or whatever.
Why is it that you care about men's feelings about who is feminine? Pretty sure most men would not consider me "feminine" either. Gah, I'm out of this thread before my blood pressure spikes lol.
Omg. Wrong on so many levels.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Your personal perspective, while interesting, is not representative of the wider view and study on this subject.
Because it isn't about race for you doesn't mean that it isn't about race for most.
Because it isn't about femininity for you doesn't mean it isn't about femininity for most.
Because is it about class for you does not mean that it is about class for most.
Race and class are intertwined in this country, as black people have kept in the lower class due to racism, I might add.
Speaking as a white man in love with a black woman.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I don't know how old you are, but I know how old I am. I'm thinking you are way younger.
I have lived through segregation, integration, school busing, riots, and any other damn race issue you want to discuss.
Homework???
No. I was there. I lived it.
Your condescending attitude is noted. I think we probably could not have a good discussion at this point. Perhaps another day.
Have a good night.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Your life is local. The issue is much bigger and broader than your life.
Locality is important, too. Where you are can strongly affect your personal experience it. Racial relations vary around this country.
and I've lived through a lot, too, and am no youngster.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)some time back how annoying it is having a white person claim their opinion, informed by vicarious experience, holds equal weight as the lived experience of PoC.
I see not much has changed.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)It is, however, a logical fallacy. Projecting one's personal experience as universal.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)That they cannot or refuse to step outside themselves to understand or even consider the plight of women of color, in general, or black women, in particular is frustrating.
Their incredible sense of superiority, their condescending attitude...this is the problem many black women have with you.
Disgusting!!!
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)has perpetuated for centuries about black women that persist to this day? Really?
The fat, black, asexual Mammy?
Aunt Jemima? Ever heard of her?
All the maids portrayed in the media?
Not to mention, the European standards of beauty that black women with certain features and kinky hair will never attain? When images of black women are introduced in the media, they are the closest to white as possible, e.g., Beyonce, Rihanna, Halle Berry. In other words, they are light-skinned, racially ambiguous, or multi-racial. If not...if they are darker-skinned, they tend to be rail-thin, with white or Caucasoid features.
Look, do not pretend to be oblivious to these things. You'd then be insulting my intelligence.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I said I was going to get together a list and write something up about this. I still intend to do it. I just need to organize my thoughts. We women need to keep pushing our women out there into the spot light. Maybe an article every few days on a different woman. Don't forget how bad Native American women are treated. I could tell you stories!! Starting with how JOSH WADE killed a native american woman and only got 'tampering with evidence' conviction until he killed a Nurse Practitioner woman when he got released. I swear he was out less than a year. I know one of the people who gave evidence to the police about him showing off the body. The fact the he got off damaged the entire community and the state. The second woman he killed did alot of work out in the villages where they have few doctors. I'll never get over it.
sheshe2
(97,626 posts)Then write it.
So many women of all colors are hurt and mistreated. White women should not make the headlines while women of other colors are ignored, we are not better than anyone else. Nor do we want to be. We are woman and we all stand together.
Tell it!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Enough people write about men. Time for women to be heard.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)We can all write something for the stories that deeply trouble us. Like all of them.
Lancero
(3,276 posts)Looking at the recent cases to hit news over police brutality, almost all have been african american males. People are so focused on one aspect - Race - that they are ignoring another key aspect - Gender.
It's a pretty sad admission, but even when fighting for equality some groups are still thrown under the bus.
This article is a decent read over it - http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/04/kyriarchy-101/
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)That is how cis bodied white males like it.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)What of anti-racists? What of liberals, and even egalitarians of any stripe? Do we also like that African-American women and girls are still a primary target of hatred by the less moral sections of U.S. society?
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)tishaLA
(14,777 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)Missing white woman syndrome
Missing white woman syndrome is a phrase used by social scientists to describe the extensive media coverage, especially in television, of missing person cases that involve young, white, upper-middle-class women or girls.[1] Sociologists define the media phenomenon as the undue focus on upper-middle-class white women who disappear, with the disproportionate degree of coverage they receive being compared to cases concerning missing women of other ethnicities and social classes, or with missing males of all social classes and ethnicities.[2][3]
The PBS news anchor Gwen Ifill is said to be the originator of the phrase.[3] Although the term was coined to describe disproportionate coverage of missing person cases, it is sometimes used to describe the disparity in news coverage of other violent crimes. The concept is similar to hierarchy of death, in which certain types of deaths garner more news coverage than others. Missing white woman syndrome has led to a number of tough on crime measures named for white women who went missing and were subsequently found harmed.
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With regard to missing children, statistical research which compares national media reports with FBI data shows that there is marked under-representation of African American children in media reports relative to non-African American children. A subsequent study found that girls from minority groups were the most under-represented in these missing-children news reports by a very large margin.[4]
A report that aired on CNN noted the differences between the level of media coverage given to attractive caucasian women like Murder of Laci Peterson and Natalee Holloway, who went missing in 2002 and 2005 respectively, and LaToyia Figueroa, a pregnant Black/Hispanic woman. Figueroa went missing in Philadelphia the same year Holloway disappeared. Figueroa and her unborn daughter were found murdered.[5] The San Francisco Gate published an article detailing the disparity between the coverage of the Peterson case and that of Evelyn Hernandez, a Hispanic woman who was nine months pregnant when she disappeared in 2002.[6]
Kym Pasqualini, president of the National Center for Missing Adults, observed that media outlets tend to focus on "damsels in distress" typically, affluent young white women and teenagers.[7]
Dr. Cory L. Armstrong pointed out in the Washington Post that "the pattern of choosing only young, white, middle-class women for the full damsel treatment says a lot about a nation that likes to believe it has consigned race and class to irrelevance".[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome
sheshe2
(97,626 posts)Sad facts, very sad kwassa.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)like it is all over this thread.
Number23
(24,544 posts)sheshe2
(97,626 posts)As a woman, white but not young it really is an insult to be considered a "damsel in distress". Airhead white women need a man to rescue them? Not likely. As for...
Fools, they are such blind fools to consign race and class to irrelevance. They have their eyes wide shut, their mind shuttered and their hearts as cold as ice.
It sure does need to be pinned and read over and over.
sheshe2
(97,626 posts)Tears.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)And rape was/is a tool to remind Black men of our place, as well. There was an NPR segment on rape as a military tactic ... The segment interviewed a group that ran a center for men that were shunned by their community because, in the words of a female community member, "What kind of man cannot defend his family?"
{Please note, this post was not intended to be a WhatAboutMeism ... if you feel it is, just let me know and I will delete it.}
sheshe2
(97,626 posts)and of course I welcome you here. I always respect your input. Do you have a link to the NPR segment handy? If not I will google it. I would like to read it.
It is all interconnected you know. All of it.
I think that woman was wrong to say this, wrong on so many levels. Did she walk in that mans shoes, did she know him? Was she there? It is not and should never be a you or me situation. A family unit defends their family, not to fall on the shoulders of the man himself. That is old school. It is done together.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)I think the black community still suffers from very deep psychological, internalized post-slavery effects.
Someone once coined, "post traumatic slavery disorder".
Starry Messenger
(32,381 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)I can say this, though: if we *really* want to address these specific problems, then there needs to be more across the table discussions, for one; we can't afford for 100% exclusive spaces to dominate, in a crucial time like this.
sheshe2
(97,626 posts)I think we need some across the table listening. We white people don't know shit. We need to listen and support. It is time we really make that effort to listen what people of color have to say.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)But listening isn't just a one way street, however, whether it be in Social Justice or Feminism, or anything else.....sadly, I think some folks have lost sight of that in recent years.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)...the lives of black women do not mean shit. We have been conditioned to be thought of as race FIRST. And we definitely are not thought of as women or human. That's why no one cares. The general White American public could give a shit about us as a black person. Black men could care less about us as women. And yet, we're always on the front lines, risking our very lives fighting for everyone else's struggles, whether it be the slavery, the Civil Rights Movement, gays and lesbians, women's rights, fighting against accusations leveled at black male entertainers and athletes, or marching for Trayvon Martin, Mike Brown or Eric Garner--while forgetting about all the black women who were raped, harassed, and gunned down in the streets by police and others.
No one gives a shit about black women. Period.
Number23
(24,544 posts)On this, I have to disagree. And I know that my anecdotes do not a scientific example make and I know we have allllll seen the brothers stepping over gorgeous, smart sistas to go and holla at the dumbest, most basic looking white girls.
But I just cannot say that black men don't care about us. I have had too many in my life that care and care DEEPLY.
But you're right that black women give and give and give until we are literally HURTING from giving. There was a Washington Post series a few years ago that said that proportionally, black women give away more of our income than any other group. And that was either through charitable donations or taking care of our own families and in many cases, taking care of OTHER people's families. We have so much to be proud of.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Of course, most black men are wonderful and have always been there for us black women. An overwhelmingly majority of black men date and marry black women; they create healthy, wonderful, life-long relationships with black women. Together, black men band women ibuild strong black families and collectively, black communities that endure white suppression and continued hegemony. And they never leave.
Out of my frustration, however, I write because I tire of the willful ignorance of many here on DU who act as if they are naive of others' life experiences. They play dumb and act as if they are oblivious of these experiences and have never heard of them. It's bullshit. And you know by now that I'm not afraid to call bullshit when I see it.
So forgive me for being frustrated, my friend.
Always...
Number23
(24,544 posts)And I could tell that there was frustration in your post and I surmised that it was probably brought on by some of the tone deaf cluelessness upthread. And I understand that ENTIRELY too. One of the reasons that I've said probably a thousand times that DU fails epically when it comes to racial issues, despite certain poster's propensity for forever patting themselves on the back with how "worldly," "sophisticated" and "liberal" they and this place are.
So you know that you are "forgiven" without even having to ask. You know us "upwardly mobile" sistas need to stick together.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)sheshe2
(97,626 posts)In my white way, I understand your frustration of those here that ignore your life, they don't listen. So sorry.
sheshe2
(97,626 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)Let's talk.
Black women are my sisters and my fellow humans. I don't think they need to wait for a damned thing. I'll stand with them and I'll fight with them.
Where's the most effective place to start?
treestar
(82,383 posts)This is very important. Black women have two struggles for equality and they are the ones who need support rather than being demanded to support others, which they already have
A black woman missing or harmed by police should be a top story too and it is shameful if it is not.