Tue Mar 3, 2015, 01:34 PM

Yes we are all Democrats. That is checking a box. No, we don't seem to have common aims in general.

Reposted as an OP by request.

No, it is not our common goal enrich the wealthy at the expense of workers.

It is not our common goal to propagate interventionist wars of aggression for wealth and power.

It is not our common goal to export our jobs to pad pockets.

It is not our common goal to loot the commons.

It isn't our common goal to privatize public education.

It is not our common goal to destabilize governments that don't play ball.

It is not our common goal to continue the stupid and failed drug war.

It is not our common goal to destroy regulation and oversight of business nor to turn it into a sham of "self regulation".

It is not our common goal to crush the wages of the American worker.

It is not our common goal to play global police force, particularly on our own budget destroying expense.

It is not our common goal to prop and expand Too Big to Fail companies.

It is not our common goal to cut Social Security nor does it appear to be a common goal to expand it.

It isn't a common goal to subvert and destroy enumerated rights for security.

It is not a common goal to whitewash and "look forward" and cover for torturing, murdering, destroying criminals.

It is not our common goal to frack up the nation and drill, baby, drill anywhere except the very tippy top of the list of places it is irresponsibly insane to do so.

It is not a common goal to set up a "just us" system where the rich and powerful are unaccountable.

Sure there are common goals like wanting everyone to be able to vote or acceptance that someone has to pay to keep the lights on in the government, that government has a role in society, that generally speaking that at least the women who can afford an abortion hold have access to the service (if they can't gets a little more sticky, many support Hyde) but pretending they all are is absurd in its apparent belief that any outcome is possible from about any policy.

No, I don't care one bit about the convictions of conservatives and corporatists other than they stop polluting the already too toxified nation with their nonsense not helping them fuck us over some more.
No, it isn't my job to help anyone oppose and destroy much of what I struggle for to be "unified", some folks need to unify with the fucking TeaPubliKlans and stop trying to assimilate us to their worldview even if they are pro choice or the targets of racism.

It is silly to work tirelessly to make the party come as close as possible to standing for nothing or everything and then turn around and be crying for absolute loyalty to the formless blob of nothing they created.

It is a LIE, you cannot logically represent everyone someone will be represented and someone is going along for the ride and "Big Tent" is the refrain of those that demand more corporate and right wing domination. Never is it said to want more leftist voices...NEVER. It is wholly a guilt play to appeal to the liberal desire to be inclusive to advance contrary conservative interests.

If you have been called a Conservadem, a Thirdwayer, or a DINO it is probably because you are corporate enabling, interventionist, free trading conservative that due to being temporarily embarrassed, not being overly churchy, a conservative minority the TeaPubliKlans will make a token of but never truly accept, embrace corporate politicians, or are a willing enemy to our civil liberties with a lame as circle D by your name while spitting venom about "the far left" like a Rush or a Prager, calling people lame shit like "firebagger" and "emoprog" and talking a lot of stupid shit about rainbow farting unicorns and ponies (no idea what the equine fixations are about, maybe this crowd really grew up wanting ponies).

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Yes we are all Democrats. That is checking a box. No, we don't seem to have common aims in general. (Original post)	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	OP
Thank you and	Autumn	Mar 2015	#1
I wish I could rec this a thousand times.	Scuba	Mar 2015	#2
This OP deserves hundreds of recs	Autumn	Mar 2015	#3
Thanks, it is time to be clear where really stand and where we really want to go	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#6
Yes it is well past time. I know where I am going and I know where	Autumn	Mar 2015	#8
I am who this OP is attacking	QuestionAlways	Mar 2015	#62
No, I'm attaching those that hold such views or claim they don't but always work toward such ends.	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#64
This OP is not an attack on anyone.	Autumn	Mar 2015	#65
Hillary has already told you she disagrees with you on eg, 'no war without a declaration of war'.	sabrina 1	Mar 2015	#77
I believe it is either Hillary Clinton or a Republican as the next POTUS	QuestionAlways	Mar 2015	#106
Of COURSE she can be attacked from the right on national defense.	hedda_foil	Mar 2015	#130
I don't. We have plenty of great Democrats who make great Presidents and it's up to the	sabrina 1	Mar 2015	#148
So who is that candidate?	QuestionAlways	Mar 2015	#169
Well...	sendero	Mar 2015	#135
All these things listed, pushed by corporate dems, are what we have rethugs for.	RiverLover	Mar 2015	#4
Being told over and over you are a Left Leaning Independent and not a Democrat	Autumn	Mar 2015	#5
lol! That one is my favorite.	HappyMe	Mar 2015	#7
I used to think it was funny but now I just see it as being disruptive.	Autumn	Mar 2015	#9
Ah! I wondered where that one was.	HappyMe	Mar 2015	#11
I don't think it is intended to change anyones mind.	zeemike	Mar 2015	#15
I would turn in my grown woman card	HappyMe	Mar 2015	#19
I think that particular	G_j	Mar 2015	#54
As if you could ever silence the 'Left' which is what these admonishments are ALWAYs about,	sabrina 1	Mar 2015	#82
That one works in bullying and disruption the way other artists work in oils or clay.	smokey nj	Mar 2015	#39
LOL. Love The Christmas Story reference.	LondonReign2	Mar 2015	#57
It's one of my favorites.	smokey nj	Mar 2015	#76
It is his true medium; a master. [n/t]	Maedhros	Mar 2015	#177
I have that one on ignore. I do that very, very infrequently.	stillwaiting	Mar 2015	#59
Those pledgy requests make me see red.	840high	Mar 2015	#33
They do get under my skin sometimes.	HappyMe	Mar 2015	#37
I'm getting to where I don't much mind. The base are the folks you have at hello, my vote isn't	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#10
Sad to say my vote was automatic. It's not anymore. After the omnibus vote I	Autumn	Mar 2015	#12
Oh...mine too but I can't keep it up anymore.	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#69
OR that you're a member of the "Democrat Party."	calimary	Mar 2015	#47
Especially since I have voted straight D since 1978. DINOs are more devious than Repukes, though	Doctor_J	Mar 2015	#61
The problem (among many) is that the deviousness feeds the malignancy and vice versa too	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#67
Excellent OP. One of the best I've read in months!	Rex	Mar 2015	#13
I agree with that Rex.	sabrina 1	Mar 2015	#86
Thanks. I'm glad some folks encouraged me to repost it.	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#95
"I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat."	TexasProgresive	Mar 2015	#14
...	zeemike	Mar 2015	#16
Bullseye.	Indepatriot	Mar 2015	#17
Great post, thanks. Btw, it is not our common goal to wage war against whistleblowers.	Broward	Mar 2015	#18
You got that right. It was that which kicked me over the line of buying the common goals lies.	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#21
False: "Sure there are common goals like wanting everyone to be able to vote"	ieoeja	Mar 2015	#20
Goodness, I hadn't caught that.	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#23
yep, and check out some of the new ID, etc. requirements.	ND-Dem	Mar 2015	#122
the problem, of course, is there's only one party that can do all these things without backlash	MisterP	Mar 2015	#22
Agreed, if we accept what we oppose the TeaPubliKlans for in our party then what vehicle do we have	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#28
A MUCH better post than the one you responded to.	ScreamingMeemie	Mar 2015	#24
Not only better.	Puglover	Mar 2015	#109
Hey there!	ScreamingMeemie	Mar 2015	#145
Thank you	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#147
+ a zillion	MissDeeds	Mar 2015	#25
I'm a lifelong Democrat who votes issues/policies/principles. Not politician or Party.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Mar 2015	#26
I thank you for that.	840high	Mar 2015	#34
Daaaaamn!!	bravenak	Mar 2015	#27
I'll take take as about the highest level compliment one can get.	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#53
I found it breathtaking.	bravenak	Mar 2015	#55
Noooo!!! You're sowing discord and promoting divide and conquer. Are you Scott Walker??	RufusTFirefly	Mar 2015	#29
There is more to being a Democrat than checking a box	Cryptoad	Mar 2015	#30
Tell us the process in your state, in Kentucky I checked a box at 17 since I was of age as of the	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#46
you are the one that mentioned checking a box..... why so much anger..	Cryptoad	Mar 2015	#63
Apparently not very effectively. Mealymouthing Kumbaiya with this bunch has	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#66
I wouldn't expect any less.....	Cryptoad	Mar 2015	#72
Pretty much every Democrat is for all of those things too. Nothing special about it.	stevenleser	Mar 2015	#31
No, YOU claimed that I claimed to be in a small righteous group.	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#42
Your OP is exactly that, claiming you are in a special righteous group. nt	stevenleser	Mar 2015	#43
Where are such words to be found? You know like righteous, special, group, or size of said group?	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#49
Projection makes some here easy to read. They have no impulse control.	Rex	Mar 2015	#88
I also believe it proves the main point of the OP.	Enthusiast	Mar 2015	#139
Yes. Yes. Yes.	DeSwiss	Mar 2015	#32
And your alternative suggestion is...	brooklynite	Mar 2015	#35
And debt works far better than chains.	zeemike	Mar 2015	#38
It's all illusion......	DeSwiss	Mar 2015	#51
Terrence McKenna had it figured out.	zeemike	Mar 2015	#71
K & R.....	N_E_1 for Tennis	Mar 2015	#36
Ok Buddy, your Rah-Rah Card is officially revoked.	Fuddnik	Mar 2015	#40
Damn, wise soul to not even make it to the current cycle of the collapse.	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#96
I was more gullible too. No more.	Enthusiast	Mar 2015	#140
No whitewash and 'look forward' and cover for torturing, murdering, destroying criminals.	Octafish	Mar 2015	#41
Damn right!	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#98
No, no, no! We are all one big tent. We must respect the beliefs of the conservatives and former	dissentient	Mar 2015	#44
Not all ex-cons and repubs	DesertDawg	Mar 2015	#79
One word: Warren. Glad to have you with us. nt	F4lconF16	Mar 2015	#103
I don't always agree with TheKentuckian,	Codeine	Mar 2015	#45
I wish I could rec this but I won't because of this...	one_voice	Mar 2015	#48
It's okay, I might have 100 recs in over 20,000 posts and what seven years? They aren't a big	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#52
That wasn't reform...	one_voice	Mar 2015	#58
Sounds like what happened with more robust education requirements to me. Otherwise you got including	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#94
Kick	Autumn	Mar 2015	#50
Rec'ed	LondonReign2	Mar 2015	#56
I am saddened that so many here seem to lack principles. I thought that was unique to Repukes	Doctor_J	Mar 2015	#60
I support progressive values and I think we all do on DU.	hrmjustin	Mar 2015	#68
Rumor control has it	Cryptoad	Mar 2015	#74
I certainly hope you don't mean me.	hrmjustin	Mar 2015	#75
no,,,nt	Cryptoad	Mar 2015	#125
It has been an oversensitive period here for many of us in different camps.	hrmjustin	Mar 2015	#126
Considering the Koch Brothers did that	DesertDawg	Mar 2015	#80
Really? Even the poster and Hillary pumper that constantly uses "progressive" as a slur?	LondonReign2	Mar 2015	#149
I don't know what your talking about and I am not here to answer for others.	hrmjustin	Mar 2015	#150
You already tried to answer for others. You said:	LondonReign2	Mar 2015	#155
I forgot I added that.	hrmjustin	Mar 2015	#157
Fair enough	LondonReign2	Mar 2015	#159
THAT IS A TROLL	Skittles	Mar 2015	#173
Very good!	H2O Man	Mar 2015	#70
Very well stated, thank you. I think we remember those epithets for the Left, 'emoprog'	sabrina 1	Mar 2015	#73
The new one is "simpletons". I thought that was a rather unique new one.	Autumn	Mar 2015	#83
Probably not. Seems those kind of things are more hugs and kisses than nasty to some.	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#102
How does insulting Democrats help your cause?	BainsBane	Mar 2015	#78
I think the Left has already realized that focusing on Local and State politics is the best way to	sabrina 1	Mar 2015	#84
Very well put	treestar	Mar 2015	#85
Thank you.	BainsBane	Mar 2015	#100
Insulting them, or holding them to account?	Tierra_y_Libertad	Mar 2015	#87
To account for what?	BainsBane	Mar 2015	#89
That seems to be the point of the OP. Conform and jump on the bandwagon without dissent.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Mar 2015	#92
Indeed, it does seek to promote conformity	BainsBane	Mar 2015	#97
Yes, yes I am sending the SS for all disenters! Acknowledging disparate aims isn't	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#127
It was my mistake. I was really replying to the post #89.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Mar 2015	#132
Dig ya, no worries. Sorry to jump your shit.	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#138
Holy moly, Bain that is one HELL of a post	Number23	Mar 2015	#101
You have to pass it to see what's in it	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#129
Well, I strongly disagree with you on what we should do about what Marxist theory implies.	F4lconF16	Mar 2015	#108
What do you mean?	BainsBane	Mar 2015	#115
Um, I would love to discuss this with you, but unfortunately	F4lconF16	Mar 2015	#121
I hope you feel better soon. nt	BainsBane	Mar 2015	#133
Great Post!!! nt	One of the 99	Mar 2015	#116
If Democrats are insulted then it is their malfunction and I'm not here to coddle it.	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#119
I read your post in light of previous conversations	BainsBane	Mar 2015	#128
Don't care about your lectures or your weirdo "Marxist"/"Centrist" triangulation scheme here	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#142
The only thing you do seem to "care about" is making yourself seem holier than thou.	stevenleser	Mar 2015	#152
+1	hrmjustin	Mar 2015	#153
Man, you must have a low ass opinion of your own values.	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#164
This can't be repeated enough:	Maedhros	Mar 2015	#160
Excellent post!	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2015	#120
Several important points alluded to by you here.	stevenleser	Mar 2015	#151
That's it in a nutshell	BainsBane	Mar 2015	#156
.	LiberalElite	Mar 2015	#81
Happy to give this post one more rec. than that other post has received.	Ron Green	Mar 2015	#90
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!	WillyT	Mar 2015	#91
No, not everyone here is a Democrat	frazzled	Mar 2015	#93
If you have been called a Conservadem, a Thirdwayer, or a DINO it is probably because you ...	NanceGreggs	Mar 2015	#99
Would calling DUers "simpletons" fall under name calling or labeling?	Autumn	Mar 2015	#114
Oh, don't worry about hypocrisy	marym625	Mar 2015	#118
Apples/Oranges	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2015	#123
Complaining about others doing what one is also doing is teh awesome huh!	Autumn	Mar 2015	#124
What?	Bobbie Jo	Mar 2015	#134
BOOM! Roasted	LondonReign2	Mar 2015	#154
Thank!!!	One of the 99	Mar 2015	#117
Who keeps spinning the wheel in search of a hook to get Democrats to swallow	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#137
+1 (an entire shit load)	Enthusiast	Mar 2015	#141
You know what they say about the middle -	HughBeaumont	Mar 2015	#143
The middle they seek I believe is at the intersection of George W. Bush and Planned Parenthood.	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#158
Sorry for sayin' so ...	NanceGreggs	Mar 2015	#167
Don't be sorry, I understand your desperation to keep that element as shadowy	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#170
My refusal to engage in discussion with you ...	NanceGreggs	Mar 2015	#174
I'd slink off too. You are transparent.	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#175
Recommended -	raven mad	Mar 2015	#104
Thank you!	fredamae	Mar 2015	#105
Recommend!	KoKo	Mar 2015	#107
I don't know how I missed this one the first go round, but I'm really glad for this repost.	mother earth	Mar 2015	#110
K&R	Change has come	Mar 2015	#111
not being a democrat takes all the pressure off	KG	Mar 2015	#112
It's amazing what clarity comes when one removes the team jersey.	Maedhros	Mar 2015	#179
It really does. I had no idea how freeing it would be.	Autumn	Mar 2015	#181
Huge k&r! "be crying for absolute loyalty to the formless blob of nothing"!!!!	ND-Dem	Mar 2015	#113
K&R	Oilwellian	Mar 2015	#131
Kicked and recommended a brazillion times.	Enthusiast	Mar 2015	#136
K&R The only people united behind those goals are those invested in Wall St. nt	raouldukelives	Mar 2015	#144
Excellent OP. K&R nt	TBF	Mar 2015	#146
K&FuckinR. nt	Guy Whitey Corngood	Mar 2015	#161
Well said.	obxhead	Mar 2015	#162
I loved it when I first read it...	malokvale77	Mar 2015	#163
The very fact that I have to choose between the lesser evils	d_legendary1	Mar 2015	#165
I've been doing that for some time now, voting against people	Skittles	Mar 2015	#172
Yes we are.	Autumn	Mar 2015	#166
Well, there's nothing like a thread entitled ...	NanceGreggs	Mar 2015	#168
Purgejection. I have no power to purge anyone, I'm just not going to pretend we all have the same	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#176
Purgection?	NanceGreggs	Mar 2015	#180
One person's disunity apparently is another's eyes open, I reckon.	TheKentuckian	Mar 2015	#184
kick	woo me with science	Mar 2015	#171
Our party's worst candidate would still be orders of magnitude better than the best GOP candidate.	NoJusticeNoPeace	Mar 2015	#178
THIS. n/t	DirkGently	Mar 2015	#182
huge K and R. Wonderful op.	bbgrunt	Mar 2015	#183
Recommend!	KoKo	Mar 2015	#185

Response to TheKentuckian (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 01:37 PM

Autumn (42,858 posts)

1. Thank you and

It is silly to work tirelessly to make the party come as close as possible to standing for nothing or everything and then turn around and be crying for absolute loyalty to the formless blob of nothing they created.

It is a LIE, you cannot logically represent everyone someone will be represented and someone is going along for the ride and "Big Tent" is the refrain of those that demand more corporate and right wing domination. Never is it said to want more leftist voices...NEVER. It is wholly a guilt play to appeal to the liberal desire to be inclusive to advance contrary conservative interests.

Yes we are all Democrats. That is checking a box. No, we don't seem to have common aims in general.

1. Thank you and

2. I wish I could rec this a thousand times.

3. This OP deserves hundreds of recs

6. Thanks, it is time to be clear where really stand and where we really want to go

8. Yes it is well past time. I know where I am going and I know where

62. I am who this OP is attacking

64. No, I'm attaching those that hold such views or claim they don't but always work toward such ends.

65. This OP is not an attack on anyone.

77. Hillary has already told you she disagrees with you on eg, 'no war without a declaration of war'.

106. I believe it is either Hillary Clinton or a Republican as the next POTUS

130. Of COURSE she can be attacked from the right on national defense.

148. I don't. We have plenty of great Democrats who make great Presidents and it's up to the

169. So who is that candidate?

135. Well...

4. All these things listed, pushed by corporate dems, are what we have rethugs for.

5. Being told over and over you are a Left Leaning Independent and not a Democrat

7. lol! That one is my favorite.

9. I used to think it was funny but now I just see it as being disruptive.

11. Ah! I wondered where that one was.

15. I don't think it is intended to change anyones mind.

19. I would turn in my grown woman card

54. I think that particular

82. As if you could ever silence the 'Left' which is what these admonishments are ALWAYs about,

39. That one works in bullying and disruption the way other artists work in oils or clay.

57. LOL. Love The Christmas Story reference.

76. It's one of my favorites.

177. It is his true medium; a master. [n/t]

59. I have that one on ignore. I do that very, very infrequently.

33. Those pledgy requests make me see red.

37. They do get under my skin sometimes.

10. I'm getting to where I don't much mind. The base are the folks you have at hello, my vote isn't

12. Sad to say my vote was automatic. It's not anymore. After the omnibus vote I

69. Oh...mine too but I can't keep it up anymore.

47. OR that you're a member of the "Democrat Party."

61. Especially since I have voted straight D since 1978. DINOs are more devious than Repukes, though

67. The problem (among many) is that the deviousness feeds the malignancy and vice versa too

13. Excellent OP. One of the best I've read in months!

86. I agree with that Rex.

95. Thanks. I'm glad some folks encouraged me to repost it.

14. "I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat."

16. ...

17. Bullseye.

18. Great post, thanks. Btw, it is not our common goal to wage war against whistleblowers.

21. You got that right. It was that which kicked me over the line of buying the common goals lies.

20. False: "Sure there are common goals like wanting everyone to be able to vote"

23. Goodness, I hadn't caught that.

122. yep, and check out some of the new ID, etc. requirements.

22. the problem, of course, is there's only one party that can do all these things without backlash

28. Agreed, if we accept what we oppose the TeaPubliKlans for in our party then what vehicle do we have

24. A MUCH better post than the one you responded to.

109. Not only better.

145. Hey there!

147. Thank you

25. + a zillion

26. I'm a lifelong Democrat who votes issues/policies/principles. Not politician or Party.

34. I thank you for that.

27. Daaaaamn!!

53. I'll take take as about the highest level compliment one can get.

55. I found it breathtaking.

29. Noooo!!! You're sowing discord and promoting divide and conquer. Are you Scott Walker??

30. There is more to being a Democrat than checking a box

46. Tell us the process in your state, in Kentucky I checked a box at 17 since I was of age as of the

63. you are the one that mentioned checking a box..... why so much anger..

66. Apparently not very effectively. Mealymouthing Kumbaiya with this bunch has

72. I wouldn't expect any less.....

31. Pretty much every Democrat is for all of those things too. Nothing special about it.

42. No, YOU claimed that I claimed to be in a small righteous group.

43. Your OP is exactly that, claiming you are in a special righteous group. nt

49. Where are such words to be found? You know like righteous, special, group, or size of said group?

88. Projection makes some here easy to read. They have no impulse control.

139. I also believe it proves the main point of the OP.

32. Yes. Yes. Yes.

35. And your alternative suggestion is...

38. And debt works far better than chains.

51. It's all illusion......

71. Terrence McKenna had it figured out.

36. K & R.....

40. Ok Buddy, your Rah-Rah Card is officially revoked.

96. Damn, wise soul to not even make it to the current cycle of the collapse.