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[HuckleB]

1. Well...

[elleng]

2. Hi, and Welcome, Sunshinebeams.

I think you'll find, over time, that 'DU' rarely stands anywhere uniformly on any particular matter (except supporting Democrats.) We are a very diverse community, which provides all of us endless sources of interest, and conflict, usually civil, but not always.

[dissentient]

3. Even on Du, I have seen those who seem to be more on the pro-war side or military intervention side

of things, when it comes to Ukraine, among other places.

For myself, I'm one of those moon bat liberals who almost always will say an emphatic "No!" to war, I'm pretty consistent that way. Unless it was purely self-defense from an invading force, or a few other hard to imagine scenarios, like important allies such as the U.K. being attacked.

But I always encourage those who seem gung ho for war or military intervention to go volunteer, sign up, or just go hop a plane and go over there and contribute however they can to the side they favor.

[R B Garr]

4. The conspiracy theorists are pro-Russia and Russian propaganda.

The reality-based follow multiple sources which are not Russian propaganda. With the recent murder of Putin's biggest critic, it's pretty obvious the reality-based group are getting the better information. I've been following more broadcast news than written news, and it's not pro-Russia.

edit: pro-U.S.? I've seen more about Nato, not the U.S.

[R B Garr]

7. I thought you asked about this site.

What are your thoughts on the article you posted?

[R B Garr]

11. I thought the article was sloppy, but it was an opinion piece as you said.

That's pretty much why I don't put a lot into written pieces, but especially Russian propaganda (I know that was the Guardian). My thoughts are that Putin is making land grabs that are not welcome by his neighbors. The "military expansionism" meme about Nato is misleading. Nato and RAF have scrambled jets to intercept Russian aircraft at unacceptable rates now. Yesterday, I saw a Lithuanian official say they don't believe a word Putin says and they don't want him there, but they are too small to protect themselves. I would agree with that official and not believe anything Putin says, but again, I go more from broadcast news and not written pieces.

[newthinking]

16. If you have NetFlix you *Must* watch the Documentary "Dirty Wars".

It is an extremely well done investigative view into war in the new century.

There is a reason that nothing is transparent, and we have been part of that reason as well.

[newthinking]

15. I think in the US there is a struggle between moderate and neocon voices

and approaches in the government.

We all thought they were out of power (neocons) but it seems like they have allied with some powerful neoliberals and apparently they are still in play.

[Warpy]

8. I think a lot of us are taking a wait and see attitude

While there was initially a lot of sympathy for the Maidan movement, that evaporated when the fascists took over and atrocities were starting to happen here and there.

Oh, the Maidan movement did topple a Russian puppet president who was an epic crook. It's just that it created enough of a power vacuum for the fascists to swoop on in.

Most of us are pretty disgusted with Putin's land grab, but we realize taking it and keeping it are two different things, and wonder if he might be trying to win Afghanistan the same way Rumdum was trying to win Vietnam when he invaded Iraq.

I know my own sympathy lies with the people who are stuck in the middle, living day to day and hoping artillery doesn't wipe them out.

[R B Garr]

13. It's late now, but you'll probably get a lot of responses about this.

Just keep your thread kicked. I just wanted to offer a quick synopsis about the conspiracy theories/reality based as what I've noticed about this site. I agree it is an interesting situation that is being played out by opposing info wars. edit: I'm just not into conspiracy theories. Welcome to the site!