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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPresident Obama OBLITERATES Any Republican Hopes That Keystone XL Will Be Approved
President Obama appeared to crush all Republican hope that Keystone XL will ever be approved while he is president during a town hall in South Carolina.
THE PRESIDENT: Well, for those of you who havent been following this, the Keystone pipeline is a proposed pipeline that runs from Canada through the United States down to the Gulf of Mexico. Its proponents argue that it would be creating jobs in the United States. But the truth is its Canadian oil thats then going to go to the world market. It will probably create about a couple thousand construction jobs for a year or two, but only create about 300 permanent jobs.
The reason that a lot of environmentalists are concerned about it is the way that you get the oil out in Canada is an extraordinarily dirty way of extracting oil. And obviously, there are always risks in piping a lot of oil through Nebraska farmland and other parts of the country.
What weve done is I vetoed it because the Congress was trying to short-circuit a traditional process that we go through. I havent made a final determination on it, but what Ive said is, is that were not going to authorize a pipeline that benefits largely a foreign company if it cant be shown that it is safe and if it cant be shown that overall it would not contribute to climate change.
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And you might think, well, you know, getting warmer, thats no big deal folks in South Carolina, were used to dealing with hot weather; we can manage. But understand that when you start having overall global temperatures go up, even if it means more snow in some places, or more rain in some places its not going to be hotter in every single place, but the overall temperature is going up that starts changing weather patterns across the globe. It starts raising ocean levels. It starts creating more drought and wildfires in some places.
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Those do not sound like the remarks of a president who is inclined to approve Keystone XL. In fact every time the president has spoken about Keystone, he states that he has not made a final decision, but he makes the exact argument that opponents of the pipeline use. It is easy to see that there is virtually no chance that Keystone XL will be approved while Barack Obama is president. The president is not giving Republicans a shred of hope. It is obvious that he doesnt support the pipeline, and his remarks were a destruction of the Republican hope that Keystone will ever be approved.
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http://www.politicususa.com/2015/03/06/president-obama-obliterates-republican-hopes-keystone-xl-approved.html
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Scuba
(53,475 posts)But while critics and proponents of Keystone XL have sparred over the last few years, numerous pipelines many of them slated to carry the same Canadian tar sands crude as Keystone have been proposed, permitted, and even seen construction begin in the U.S. and Canada. Some rival Keystone XL in size and capacity; others, when linked up with existing and planned pipelines, would carry more oil than the 1,179-mile pipeline.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Here I was feeling upbeat about some positive environmental news, and now I feel like Keystone has largely been kept in the public eye so that we weren't all out protesting all of those other pipelines.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)BAWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Rope a dope! Rope a dope!

And the sad clown sings;
"Killing me softly with his song...killing me softly with his words"
Romeo.lima333
(1,127 posts)sheshe2
(96,594 posts)Welcome to DU~
Enjoy!
Romeo.lima333
(1,127 posts)Okay must find GIF now...must stop laughing first.
SomeGuyInEagan
(1,515 posts)"Minnesota unveils 'Dramatic Gopher' vs. Wisconsin
By now, youve probably seen one of the many Dramatic Gopher YouTube videos. Only a few seconds long, the brilliant set of videos has millions and millions of views. Its popularity should only increase after the Wisconsin-Minnesota game on Saturday. Thats because Minnesota used the little guy, twice, to taunt Wisconsin kicker Jack Russell."
http://btn.com/2013/11/25/minnesota-uses-dramatic-gopher-vs-badgers/
sheshe2
(96,594 posts)Thanks for the laugh Rex!
Rex
(65,616 posts)Glad I could make you laugh!
EDIT - http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6324099
This one might give you a laugh as well.
I left you a laugh as well.

That is what he should have said at the SOTU to the GOP! "I won both times...deal with it!"
malaise
(294,130 posts)Priceless
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Instead, he needs to pay attention to the senator who hurled a snowball on the Senate floor.
sheshe2
(96,594 posts)
Cha
(317,692 posts)are urging the President to reject it once and for all!
mahalo Segami
And very nice that there is some celebrity pressure there to give this issue the visibility it needs.
Ms. Hannah has been a force for this all along and I love her for it.
The LAST thing this country needs is filthy, poison tar sands oil!
Cha
(317,692 posts)would be you, Kath, on Keystone! I found it accidently..
Yes, Daryl Hannah has been wonderful.. I like Emily Van Camp and was glad to see her in the Vid as well.. she's from Canada.
And, Clint Eastwood's daughter with her mother Frances Fisher.. lol
Kath1
(4,309 posts)So glad to see the President slamming the door shut on it.
Daryl Hannah deserves our thanks for putting her celeb power behing the anti-Keystone movement and educating people about it.
Clint Eastwood's daughter - very cool of her to be in the video.
Cha
(317,692 posts)Horrible images. Just sickening.
Republicans do not care about the environment or people. Just corporate profits.
Shame on them.
Thanks Segami.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka urged the new Republican-controlled Congress and the White House to get together and approve the controversial, long-delayed Keystone XL pipeline project, saying it would boost the economy.
"There are a number of economic issues and job issues that we want them to get done. That happens to be one of them. So the answer is 'yes.' We want to get every jobs issue that we can out and as many jobs created as we can to get the economy going," Trumka said in response to a question about the pipeline during a post-election press conference Wednesday.
It was the firmest statement on the subject that Trumka has made. The AFL-CIO has voiced qualified support for the project in the past but stopped short a full endorsement. Last year, for example, the labor coalition issued a statement supporting pipeline projects in general but did not specifically mention Keystone.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/afl-cio-urges-approval-of-keystone-xl-pipeline/article/2555805
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Trans Canada was going to use to build the pipeline and use it to upgrade our rail system, maybe we could kick in some ourselves. That way it will benefit America and not just a foreign company. Win-win no pipeline and a better rail system with just as many if not more temporary jobs.
Segami
(14,923 posts)workprogram the nation as a whole could benefit from rebuilding a crumbling transportation sector that could put a slew of Americans workers back to work repairing and modernizing our roads, bridges, railways, and transit systems.
sendero
(28,552 posts)... that Trumka is a stone fool.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)Then he is a really intelligent guy, right?
sendero
(28,552 posts)... because, like supporting Democratic candidates, he thinks it is in his interest. The problem is this pipeline is in very few Americans' interest. The handful of permanent jobs it will create, along with the more numerous but very temporary construction jobs, is scant payment for decades of risk.
Let Canada figure out how to move their own #$%^% oil.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)which cross the U.S.?

And one more is the end of the world?
sendero
(28,552 posts).... they were built exclusively for Canadian tar sands. There is no compelling American interest in play here.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)discussions. I heard that this cannot be vetoed, perhaps just
a rumor. And the Repuglies will insist on their flesh of meat
for the agreement to raise the limit.
If he cannot veto it, it will be up to the Senate, and I am not sure
that all the Dems are willing to stop it.
Just my fears, because I refuse to underestimate the other side.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)2. the odds are that it's BS.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)politicususa is ridiculous.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)craigmatic
(4,510 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)He vetoed it, but you say he "has not made a final decision?
Segami
(14,923 posts)...every time 'has spoken about Keystone'.........
The Senate on Wednesday failed to override President Barack Obama's veto of a bill to construct the Keystone XL pipeline, the first of many confrontations between the Republican-controlled Congress and the White House this year over energy policy.
"If we don't win the battle today, we will win the war because we will find another bill to attach this pipeline to," said Sen. John Hoeven, R-N.D., the chief sponsor of the bill, before the vote.
- But two Democrats, Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island and Sen. Edward Markey of Massachusetts, said at a news conference after the vote that further attempts to pass the project would be futile, especially given the failed attempt to overturn Obama's immigration policies using a bill to fund the Department of Homeland Security.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/senate-fails-override-obamas-veto-pipeline-bill-29389611
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)You obviously don't understand what the President actually vetoed. Hint: it wasn't the pipeline.
George II
(67,782 posts)"I vetoed it"
"what Ive said is, is that were not going to authorize a pipeline that benefits largely a foreign company"
OldRedneck
(1,397 posts)His comments on global climate change are
a direct slam on the GOP climate change
deniers -- good for him!!!
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)Until and if he ever rejects the plan that is well known to be game over for the planet.
And we already know other pipelines are in the works to get the oil to TX for export even if XL Keystone is not approved.
Never trust a politician!
Hulk
(6,699 posts)Isn't that one of the snarky comments we always get from the fox-nonsense dips? As though W never used one.
I have such respect for this President. I almost hate to jump on the biotch wagon on lots of issues where we seem to feel he has fallen flat. I want to hear him respond to those charges before I get pissed.
This man is just too damned smart and educated to be a stooge to anybody. Proud to have voted twice for this man, and would gladly vote twice for his wife to continue the effort!
DonCoquixote
(13,949 posts)Hillary will approve it, and use that to smear Obama.
George II
(67,782 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,949 posts)and she tactfully said nothing. NOTHING. If she cannot have the courage to tell Bill to SHUT UP once in a while, then frankly, it bodes ill, as there are many good reasons why Bill would need to shut up, Syria and keystone being among them.
madville
(7,842 posts)who cares? its just politics now. Hillary will approve it since she set it up initially anyway.
greatlaurel
(2,020 posts)"The Department of State did not issue a permit for the Keystone XL pipeline while Clinton served as secretary of State. Environmentalists suspected Clinton supported the project and was preparing to award it the administrations stamp of approval. But that didnt happen before Clinton left the administration and former U.S. Sen. John Kerry was tapped for secretary of State.
In fact, in 2012, Clinton's Department of State recommended President Barack Obama deny the Keystone KL pipeline after Congress set a 60-day deadline for the administration to review the project. However, that decision was rooted in the time constraints and not the merits of the pipeline plan itself.
"The president concurred with the departments recommendation, which was predicated on the fact that the Department does not have sufficient time to obtain the information necessary to assess whether the project, in its current state, is in the national interest," the State Department said in January 2012."
Bold text for emphasis.
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/CampaignsElections/a/Hillary-Clinton-On-The-Keystone-Xl-Pipeline.htm
Let us not fall for the divide and conquer right wing propaganda.
calimary
(89,289 posts)So she fouled it on a technicality. But it's still fouled. So I'm not gonna look a gift horse in the mouth. But it does NOT mean we drop our guard and give her a free pass. We have to hold her to decisions and maneuvers that lean this way in the future. Especially if she wins the White House.
