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one_voice

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Wow ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #1
it is... yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #16
ugh. "using facial recognition technology...." ND-Dem Mar 2015 #2
I'm with you. Fawke Em Mar 2015 #6
I think they're not quite naming it correctly. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #7
"facial recognition technology" ND-Dem Mar 2015 #8
Which is exactly my point. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #11
you'd think it would be overkill, but how would we know? how do we know the real purpose ND-Dem Mar 2015 #13
Anyone who wanted to do that could probably set up the same things without bothering with Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #14
or maybe the point is to let people know that their images and phone numbers are available ND-Dem Mar 2015 #22
sort of... druidity33 Mar 2015 #39
The way this is explained shows it to be distinctly different than what you are cbayer Mar 2015 #48
they're collecting 3 types of information; cell phone numbers, video, and facial recognition scans. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #52
You are incorrect. cbayer Mar 2015 #56
they're sending text messages; thus, they're collecting information. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #60
I don't know how many times I will have to tell you this, but I will say it cbayer Mar 2015 #62
if they send you an email, they're collecting information. and in this case, the information ND-Dem Mar 2015 #64
If you bought a case of cell phones there, they would all get messaged. eggplant Mar 2015 #71
i said, they're collecting multiple kinds of information. i didn't say the cameras were collecting ND-Dem Mar 2015 #74
what's your evidence? ellennelle Mar 2015 #10
Well, if that's indeed what it's doing, that's an obscenely wasteful use of computing resources. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #12
it's what they're doing. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #23
I don't see anything to indicate that they call you specifically because they recognize your face. cbayer Mar 2015 #51
no, they call you because they vacuum up your cell phone number at that location, which they can ND-Dem Mar 2015 #55
I tend to think the issue here is not about my naivety at all. cbayer Mar 2015 #59
and is it correlated with video of you, facial recognition software, and multiple hotspots that ND-Dem Mar 2015 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Mar 2015 #28
it doesn't say anything about having to opt in. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Mar 2015 #41
Right, and that means the numbers are harvested. JackRiddler Mar 2015 #42
weve is owned by the three biggest mobile companies in the uk, so i imagine they have a wide ND-Dem Mar 2015 #44
Wow. sheshe2 Mar 2015 #72
sorry you feel that way. i have a different opinion about the meaning of the billboard. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #75
You derail threads. sheshe2 Mar 2015 #77
no one has to answer, least of all you. some posters were as put off by the technology as i was, ND-Dem Mar 2015 #79
I'm sorry, your OP is not about violence against women. JackRiddler Mar 2015 #78
Actually Jack.... sheshe2 Mar 2015 #80
This is unfair, but no problem. JackRiddler Mar 2015 #81
Well sorry it is unfair. sheshe2 Mar 2015 #82
This is the Internet. JackRiddler Mar 2015 #83
Respectfully, the topic is about violence against women. sheshe2 Mar 2015 #85
I oppose violence against women JackRiddler Mar 2015 #87
I don't see anything about a thank you call in the linked article. cbayer Mar 2015 #50
hre's one place: ND-Dem Mar 2015 #57
you sign up to receive a txt message. one_voice Mar 2015 #58
I saw that and appreciate it. cbayer Mar 2015 #61
Yes, I've considered self deleting. one_voice Mar 2015 #65
Nah. There's just one problem here and I'm no longer going to engage him. cbayer Mar 2015 #67
where is that link, please? ND-Dem Mar 2015 #73
WikiLeaks is your friend. OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #18
Oh FFS gcomeau Mar 2015 #15
At the bottom of the billboard is a livefeed panel displaying images of the onlookers, ND-Dem Mar 2015 #19
This is exactly right. cbayer Mar 2015 #53
Technology is neutral... Oktober Mar 2015 #17
because in order for the public to care about women being battered, we need to collect ND-Dem Mar 2015 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Oktober Mar 2015 #21
THIS is the only way it SHOULD be used! MrMickeysMom Mar 2015 #30
that made me feel a little weird about it too Liberal_in_LA Mar 2015 #36
The technology exists, and so the technology will be used Scootaloo Mar 2015 #66
That is extremely cool, and thought-provoking! I don't like the last part though, if petronius Mar 2015 #3
People do have trouble at times focusing on what's important. . . Stargleamer Mar 2015 #4
This is an AMAZING billboard. calimary Mar 2015 #25
that's amazing. brer cat Mar 2015 #5
too bad so few can see themselves being spied on ND-Dem Mar 2015 #9
Although this is an interesting bit of public commentary ... surrealAmerican Mar 2015 #24
Not really true. JackRiddler Mar 2015 #43
+1 on the intent, big minus on the implementation. Creepy. Thor_MN Mar 2015 #26
OFFS. Enough with the tinfoil. eggplant Mar 2015 #27
offs yourself. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #29
Um, no. eggplant Mar 2015 #68
Wrong, they have a record of who looked. JackRiddler Mar 2015 #33
Do you have any evidence to back up your claims that this information is being harvested? eggplant Mar 2015 #69
It is self-evident that they harvested phone numbers. JackRiddler Mar 2015 #76
Stunt promo usurps and trivializes real issue. JackRiddler Mar 2015 #31
Women's aid has been around since 1974 one_voice Mar 2015 #35
so with no budget, they came up with this expensive thing? i wonder who's paying? ND-Dem Mar 2015 #38
Has nothing to do with your thread, or Women's Aid. JackRiddler Mar 2015 #40
the billboards also display a video feed of passers by and text those who stop to look at the ND-Dem Mar 2015 #37
Freaky. cwydro Mar 2015 #34
Excellent. I love it when technology is used for good. cbayer Mar 2015 #45
yeah, right ND-Dem Mar 2015 #46
Tell me how you think this results on people being manipulated and spied on? cbayer Mar 2015 #47
I'd say you're a tad... one_voice Mar 2015 #49
+1 eggplant Mar 2015 #70
How will you feel when these techniques... JackRiddler Mar 2015 #84
They are not harassing people by name. cbayer Mar 2015 #86
I did not say "they" are. JackRiddler Mar 2015 #88
Sorry. I do not know what you are saying and am signing off. cbayer Mar 2015 #89
It would be even better if they made it so each person made her "heal" as they Jamastiene Mar 2015 #54
I'm deleting this. It has been turned into... one_voice Mar 2015 #90

ismnotwasm

(42,674 posts)
1. Wow
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 01:29 PM
Mar 2015

That is fantastic

yuiyoshida

(45,415 posts)
16. it is...
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 03:07 PM
Mar 2015

Technology is gonna change so much..its gonna be exciting to see what's next!

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
2. ugh. "using facial recognition technology...."
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 01:33 PM
Mar 2015

the price isn't worth the candle.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
6. I'm with you.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 02:24 PM
Mar 2015

While I agree that we need more awareness of domestic abuse, using a technology that is abusing our civil rights isn't the best way to gain that awareness.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
7. I think they're not quite naming it correctly.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 02:26 PM
Mar 2015

I doubt the software 'recognizes' individual 'faces'. I think it just can tell if something that looks like a 'face' is directly facing the billboard. You could probably 'fool' it by setting up a bunch of cardboard cutout people that looked like they were looking at it.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
8. "facial recognition technology"
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 02:55 PM
Mar 2015
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_recognition_system

The FBI can now quickly identify people just by looking at their faces. Coming soon: eyes, voice, palm print and walking stride.

By 2015, the system is expected to produce results on more than 55,000 photo searches every day. Facial recognition is only expected to be used in just a small portion of those searches. Police nationwide are expected to use it 196 times a day, government documents show.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/09/16/technology/security/fbi-facial-recognition/

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
11. Which is exactly my point.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 02:59 PM
Mar 2015

I don't think that's what the billboard is doing. Facial recognition systems are going to take a lot more code and a hookup to a database to try and identify people. That's serious overkill for the billboard, which is going to be using something far more like a wii controller that merely tracks eyes.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
13. you'd think it would be overkill, but how would we know? how do we know the real purpose
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 03:03 PM
Mar 2015

of the billboard isn't to ID passers-by?

we don't know.

to me, the billboard seems like serious and expensive overkill for a public service announcement. someone is fronting the cash and not the local battered women's shelter.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
14. Anyone who wanted to do that could probably set up the same things without bothering with
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 03:06 PM
Mar 2015

a billboard, could probably set up dozens of such systems around a city without anyone noticing.

Or, if the intent was to capture all traffic, set it up with a billboard that would get even more attention without bothering to advertise that they were using such software. Really, I think there's a lot of paranoia floating around here.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
22. or maybe the point is to let people know that their images and phone numbers are available
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 03:22 PM
Mar 2015

to whoever at a moment's notice.

druidity33

(6,915 posts)
39. sort of...
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 05:12 PM
Mar 2015

It sure is convenient that looking at the billboard puts the viewer in a specific/small and defined geographic area. Also they stand still for a few moments and all face in the same direction. Depending on the type of faces you want to recognize, you could put the billboard in a different "market". Making the technology ubiquitous lessens peoples defenses as well. All in all it's a win win for the Security State if ever this technology/concept gets co-opted.



cbayer

(146,218 posts)
48. The way this is explained shows it to be distinctly different than what you are
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 05:39 PM
Mar 2015

describing here.

It is able to note when someone pays attention to the billboard, not to specifically recognize the face that is paying attention.

I think you may be over-reacting here.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
52. they're collecting 3 types of information; cell phone numbers, video, and facial recognition scans.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 05:47 PM
Mar 2015

you put the dots together and see what you get.

four actually: location of the people in the crowd. and since there is more than one billboard of this type, they can track movement too, theoretically.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
56. You are incorrect.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 05:53 PM
Mar 2015

There is nothing to indicate they are collecting any information at all.

The board can tell when a fact turns towards it.

All cell phones in any given area are know at any given time. This is done using both gps and tower data. It's how traffic can be shown on any street.

If your friend has your phone and is near the board, the phone is going to ring.

I think you might be over-reacting just a wee bit.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
60. they're sending text messages; thus, they're collecting information.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 05:55 PM
Mar 2015

think what you like.

I have my opinions too, but I won't mention them, as they might offend you.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
62. I don't know how many times I will have to tell you this, but I will say it
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 05:58 PM
Mar 2015

one more time.

The location of your phone is known at all times unless you have turned it completely off. It has nothing to do with whether you have it or your friend has it or someone who stole it from you has it.

It has no correlation at all with face recognition.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
64. if they send you an email, they're collecting information. and in this case, the information
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 06:00 PM
Mar 2015

is correlated with the location of the video and facial recognition images on a particular billboard at a particular location at a particular moment in time.

that one's phone can be located via cell phone tower is pretty irrelevant.

eggplant

(4,199 posts)
71. If you bought a case of cell phones there, they would all get messaged.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 07:43 PM
Mar 2015

It's got nothing to do with the cameras. It has to do with being in the proximity. Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
74. i said, they're collecting multiple kinds of information. i didn't say the cameras were collecting
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 11:02 PM
Mar 2015

cell phone numbers.

why is this so hard for you to grasp?

1. facial recognition data
2. video recording
3. cell phone data
4. location data
4. and possibly, multiple location data enough to track movements, since there are multiple billboards of the same type

ellennelle

(614 posts)
10. what's your evidence?
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 02:58 PM
Mar 2015

what scares me about it is that the cameras don't just note when people are viewing the billboard. THEY FRIKKIN' CALL YOU ON YOUR PHONE AND THANK YOU!!

now, tell me, how exactly they do that without face recognition??

plus, the ad itself points out that they are using face recognition.

the part about noticing attention to the ad is fine, that's ok; but then recognizing the faces and contacting those phones???

TOTALLY CREEPS ME OUT!

don't get me wrong, i'm all for obliterating the abuse culture. but not with this obscene invasion of privacy.

no thx.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
12. Well, if that's indeed what it's doing, that's an obscenely wasteful use of computing resources. nt
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 03:01 PM
Mar 2015
 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
23. it's what they're doing.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 03:23 PM
Mar 2015

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
51. I don't see anything to indicate that they call you specifically because they recognize your face.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 05:45 PM
Mar 2015

Where your cell phone is at any given time is very easy information to access. It is how products like google maps are able to show you how much traffic is at any given intersection. If you friend has your phone, they are going to get the phone if they are near the billboard.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
55. no, they call you because they vacuum up your cell phone number at that location, which they can
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 05:52 PM
Mar 2015

correlate to your personal information, which they can correlate to your face, your location, and your movements.

are you really that naïve?

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
59. I tend to think the issue here is not about my naivety at all.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 05:55 PM
Mar 2015

The location of your phone is known whether it's in your pocket of the pocket of your friend who has borrowed it and is 500 miles away.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
63. and is it correlated with video of you, facial recognition software, and multiple hotspots that
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 05:58 PM
Mar 2015

track your movements?

if not naïve, then worse.

Response to ellennelle (Reply #10)

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
32. it doesn't say anything about having to opt in.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 04:35 PM
Mar 2015
Anyone “within proximity of the billboard” will also receive a text message via Weve, a mobile marketing venture by three of the UK’s largest phone companies, “[encouraging] them to donate to Women’s Aid”, writes WCRS.

http://www.bustle.com/articles/68179-this-billboard-heals-domestic-violence-victims-bruised-face-as-passers-by-take-notice




One of Byyd’s biggest customers is Weve, a joint venture created in 2012 by the UK’s biggest mobile operators — Vodafone, EE and O2 — to mine their customers’ data for use in targeted advertising.

Weve holds a vast repository of data about more than 22m smartphone users, including demographic details such as age and sex, as well as highly accurate information about their movements.

“We’re able to look at consumers who have been near specific points of interest, such as a supermarket or a sports venue, and retarget them accordingly based on that information,” says Mr Malachard. “That’s quite powerful.”

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/ceeb8a80-ac6b-11e4-9d32-00144feab7de.html#ixzz3TpRJG4Gz

Response to ND-Dem (Reply #32)

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
42. Right, and that means the numbers are harvested.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 05:24 PM
Mar 2015

And the numbers effectively are the identities.

So whether or not they're running biorecognition, they're gathering every name (with a cell phone) by a much more reliable means, and they can match that to period they spent looking (surely an indicator corresponding to demographic categories), etc.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
44. weve is owned by the three biggest mobile companies in the uk, so i imagine they have a wide
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 05:28 PM
Mar 2015

coverage.

odds are most of the people walking by, if they have cells phones on them, would have phones assigned by uk's 'big 3'.

sheshe2

(97,626 posts)
72. Wow.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 10:22 PM
Mar 2015

I have read your posts here. Way to go to disrupt a thread about violence toward women. Try commenting on the thread then start your own. Stop derailing VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN!

Not surprised at all that you would ignore the savage beatings that women receive, we are always ignored. You know why it is a silent crime? No one ever stops for a moment to listen to us. Few ever care. It's an epidemic. Please try to stay on topic. I have read your posts on other threads, you derail time and again.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
75. sorry you feel that way. i have a different opinion about the meaning of the billboard.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 11:03 PM
Mar 2015

that's democracy.

sheshe2

(97,626 posts)
77. You derail threads.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 11:12 PM
Mar 2015

Time and again, you derail.

So okay, you hate the billboard. Care to comment on women getting the shit beaten out of them? Concerns you may have for them? Compassion for them, any comments on that? Or will you continue to ignore it as so many do.

Sad. Your focus is so very sad. It speaks volumes.

All I have seen you do is derail threads and never respond to the post.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
79. no one has to answer, least of all you. some posters were as put off by the technology as i was,
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 11:31 PM
Mar 2015

& it's certainly not needed to publicize the issue.

but you love it, so enjoy. there's no point in us talking further.

PS: having a different opinion or POV is not equivalent to "derailing the thread." You are free to discuss what you think the thread is "really" about to your hearts content, and all those who feel the same are free to do the same.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
78. I'm sorry, your OP is not about violence against women.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 11:17 PM
Mar 2015

It is about (1) coverage in Ad Week of (2) an ad campaign for (3) an organization that seeks to (4) end violence against women. Said ad campaign happens to be technologically innovative, and attracts Ad Week's attention. Otherwise there would be no (1) in the first place. It is certain that this technological innovation, now being rolled out, will be used in completely unrelated ad campaigns, e.g. to sell cars and burgers. The technological innovation in question is open to criticism. Some people have problems with it. People who are 100% against violence nevertheless don't want a billboard spying on them. Even if they're not against it, people should understand this stuff regardless. Thanks for your patience.

sheshe2

(97,626 posts)
80. Actually Jack....
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 11:42 PM
Mar 2015

It is not my Op. I commented here. Yet~

I'm sorry, your OP is not about violence against women.


Leave it to a man to tell a woman what is and is not violence toward them. Thank you for setting me straight. I am a mere woman, how the hell could I possibly understand?

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
81. This is unfair, but no problem.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 12:05 AM
Mar 2015

Just one thing: I said nothing about what is and isn't violence. That is indeed for a person who was attacked to decide. I said what I think the OP is about. Two different things. Also, sorry I thought it was you who started it.

sheshe2

(97,626 posts)
82. Well sorry it is unfair.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 12:18 AM
Mar 2015
Just one thing: I said nothing about what is and isn't violence.


Yes, I know you said nothing. However, your silence speaks volumes to all of us that are slapped, beaten, and verbally abused. Our black eyes, our bruises. Yes we lie how we got them. We are silent because no one believes us or stands with us.
 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
83. This is the Internet.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 12:39 AM
Mar 2015

The topic of discussion is an ad campaign.

Respectfully, you don't know me in real life, or whether or not I am "silent," or what I believe.

sheshe2

(97,626 posts)
85. Respectfully, the topic is about violence against women.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 12:50 AM
Mar 2015

You are making it about the ad campaign.

You could voice an opinion. Yet you are silent. Silent. So silent.


Don't hurt Mommy. Shhhh. Quiet. I know daddy hurt you. I know. I have to be quite now.

Shhhh. Silence.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
87. I oppose violence against women
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 01:05 AM
Mar 2015

and it's obvious that the majority of society is in denial about its extent.

The article in the OP is about an ad campaign.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
50. I don't see anything about a thank you call in the linked article.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 05:41 PM
Mar 2015

Can you point me to where you saw that?

Thanks.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
57. hre's one place:
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 05:54 PM
Mar 2015
Anyone “within proximity of the billboard” will also receive a text message via Weve, a mobile marketing venture by three of the UK’s largest phone companies, “ them to donate to Women’s Aid”, writes WCRS.

http://www.bustle.com/articles/68179-this-billboard-heals-domestic-violence-victims-bruised-face-as-passers-by-take-notice






One of Byyd’s biggest customers is Weve, a joint venture created in 2012 by the UK’s biggest mobile operators — Vodafone, EE and O2 — to mine their customers’ data for use in targeted advertising.

Weve holds a vast repository of data about more than 22m smartphone users, including demographic details such as age and sex, as well as highly accurate information about their movements.

“We’re able to look at consumers who have been near specific points of interest, such as a supermarket or a sports venue, and retarget them accordingly based on that information,” says Mr Malachard. “That’s quite powerful.”

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/ceeb8a80-ac6b-11e4-9d32-00144feab7de.html#ixzz3TpRJG4Gz

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
58. you sign up to receive a txt message.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 05:55 PM
Mar 2015

I added a link with more info

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
61. I saw that and appreciate it.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 05:56 PM
Mar 2015

There are some massively incorrect conclusions being draw here.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
65. Yes, I've considered self deleting.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 06:01 PM
Mar 2015

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
67. Nah. There's just one problem here and I'm no longer going to engage him.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 06:04 PM
Mar 2015

Hide his posts and the thread will look much better.

I think this is a great project and I appreciate your bringing it to our attention.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
73. where is that link, please?
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 10:59 PM
Mar 2015
Anyone “within proximity of the billboard” will also receive a text message via Weve, a mobile marketing venture by three of the UK’s largest phone companies, “ them to donate to Women’s Aid”, writes WCRS.

http://www.bustle.com/articles/68179-this-billboard-heals-domestic-violence-victims-bruised-face-as-passers-by-take-notice






One of Byyd’s biggest customers is Weve, a joint venture created in 2012 by the UK’s biggest mobile operators — Vodafone, EE and O2 — to mine their customers’ data for use in targeted advertising.

Weve holds a vast repository of data about more than 22m smartphone users, including demographic details such as age and sex, as well as highly accurate information about their movements.

“We’re able to look at consumers who have been near specific points of interest, such as a supermarket or a sports venue, and retarget them accordingly based on that information,” says Mr Malachard. “That’s quite powerful.”

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/ceeb8a80-ac6b-11e4-9d32-00144feab7de.html#ixzz3TpRJG4Gz
 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
18. WikiLeaks is your friend.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 03:08 PM
Mar 2015

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gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
15. Oh FFS
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 03:06 PM
Mar 2015

They are clearly not talking about actually *identifying* people looking at the billboard. It just recognizes "Hey, that's a face pointed at me".

(And you will note they say *everyone in proximity* gets a text. Not everyone who looks. They send it out location based not identity based. Which yes, can be done with a little work to arrange for it. So no they're not looking up your identity then figuring out your number then sending you some personalized thank you message for looking at the poster.)

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
19. At the bottom of the billboard is a livefeed panel displaying images of the onlookers,
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 03:17 PM
Mar 2015

which the company hopes will draw even more attention.

Anyone “within proximity of the billboard” will also receive a text message via Weve, a mobile marketing venture by three of the UK’s largest phone companies, “[encouraging] them to donate to Women’s Aid”, writes WCRS.

http://www.bustle.com/articles/68179-this-billboard-heals-domestic-violence-victims-bruised-face-as-passers-by-take-notice


So they're vacuuming information 3 ways, in fact.

1. Facial recognition technology
2. Video imaging
3. Mobile phone capture

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
53. This is exactly right.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 05:48 PM
Mar 2015

If your friend had your phone and was in the vicinity, the phone would get the call.

 

Oktober

(1,488 posts)
17. Technology is neutral...
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 03:08 PM
Mar 2015

The ethics come in how it is utilized...

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
20. because in order for the public to care about women being battered, we need to collect
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 03:19 PM
Mar 2015

their pictures and phone numbers as they walk down the street.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026331940#post19

bull-shit.

I wonder how much this costs, because there are multiple billboards in various locations.

I'm sure all are paid for by women's rights activists and donors.

Response to ND-Dem (Reply #20)

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
30. THIS is the only way it SHOULD be used!
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 04:27 PM
Mar 2015

Plus, it didn't quite sound like it was constructing facial features. That technology sure is a two-edged sword, so I do understand what you were saying.

 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
36. that made me feel a little weird about it too
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 05:02 PM
Mar 2015
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
66. The technology exists, and so the technology will be used
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 06:02 PM
Mar 2015

petronius

(26,696 posts)
3. That is extremely cool, and thought-provoking! I don't like the last part though, if
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 01:40 PM
Mar 2015

I understand it correctly - everybody who passes the billboard gets a text? Closing the gap between awareness and action is obviously crucial, but that's not an idea that I'd like to see become universal (unless the "Weve" they've mentioned is something one chooses to take part in, and only Weve users get a message?)...

Stargleamer

(2,728 posts)
4. People do have trouble at times focusing on what's important. . .
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 02:10 PM
Mar 2015

calimary

(90,021 posts)
25. This is an AMAZING billboard.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 03:30 PM
Mar 2015

BRILLIANT riff on a social media explosion. It's perfect. Somebody's really on the ball, trend-watching. Genius! Take the damn dress thing and give it a really relevant twist.

brer cat

(27,587 posts)
5. that's amazing.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 02:18 PM
Mar 2015

Makes the point very well: If you can see it, you can change it!

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
9. too bad so few can see themselves being spied on
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 02:56 PM
Mar 2015

surrealAmerican

(11,879 posts)
24. Although this is an interesting bit of public commentary ...
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 03:28 PM
Mar 2015

... as a public service ad, it doesn't make much sense. The people who avoid looking at it would be the people you want to get the message to.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
43. Not really true.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 05:27 PM
Mar 2015

The people who look are the ones you would want to hit up for donations.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
26. +1 on the intent, big minus on the implementation. Creepy.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 04:08 PM
Mar 2015

I'm not a fan of signs watching me.

eggplant

(4,199 posts)
27. OFFS. Enough with the tinfoil.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 04:20 PM
Mar 2015

You can do *gaze* recognition (figuring out which things the camera sees are people, and where their eyes are looking) without having to figure out *who* they are. The pictures of the viewers underneath are just the extracted live images.

There would simply be no reason to bother keeping a record of *who* looked, just how many at any given time.

And as a poster above noted, it's not the technology that's important here. It's the subject matter. Sheesh.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
29. offs yourself.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 04:24 PM
Mar 2015
At the bottom of the billboard is a livefeed panel displaying images of the onlookers,
which the company hopes will draw even more attention.

Anyone “within proximity of the billboard” will also receive a text message via Weve, a mobile marketing venture by three of the UK’s largest phone companies, “ them to donate to Women’s Aid”, writes WCRS.

http://www.bustle.com/articles/68179-this-billboard-heals-domestic-violence-victims-bruised-face-as-passers-by-take-notice



So they're collecting:

1. data from facial recognition software
2. video images
3. cell phone numbers

because obviously, that's the only way to fight domestic violence.


eggplant

(4,199 posts)
68. Um, no.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 07:28 PM
Mar 2015

There is no reason to assume any of those things.

The video images they are displaying are the ones their cameras are seeing. If you stuck a video camera in your window and hooked it to a TV so people could see themselves, it doesn't mean you are recording them.

The cell phones are being targeted via location services. In the UK, this is an accepted form of advertising. See http://www.o2media.ie/products/location-based-messaging.html

But hey, if it spoils your narrative to say that not everything in the world s out to get you, then I apologize. Fresh tinfoil is on the house.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
33. Wrong, they have a record of who looked.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 04:39 PM
Mar 2015

If they sent texts, they have a list of the numbers to which they sent the texts. Please do not attempt again to misinform us about this self-evident fact.

This data won't be wiped, since nothing need ever be wiped any more.

Numbers receiving texts can be automatically be matched to phone accounts & identities, and form a database for possible future exploitation.

The data can also be graded according to how long people looked - which doubtless matches roughly with consumer demographic profiles.

Many other demographic markers (sex, for example) don't require individual identification. (Not that identification is impossible, only that they're claiming they didn't do it in this case, of course.)

They can choose to sell the database at any later point. For charity, even. If anyone complains about such practices, they're supporting violence against women.

eggplant

(4,199 posts)
69. Do you have any evidence to back up your claims that this information is being harvested?
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 07:31 PM
Mar 2015

It is far from "self-evident".

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
76. It is self-evident that they harvested phone numbers.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 11:12 PM
Mar 2015

SMS texts are sent = the numbers have been harvested.

They have your number = they have your identity, in 99+% of cases.

Thus they know who's in the plaza.

The rest is not just feasible but common practice. They may not be doing it, but the next user of the same billboard space (now that it's set up) will do so. Ever been on Facebook and seen how well facial recognition works already? If they access that database (which is for sale - that's the FB model), they can match the name to the face harvested by the plaza cameras. They can also match that to other data usually relevant to consumer profiling, such as amount of time spent looking.

I'd ask whom you are trying to fool, but from the looks of it's yourself.

In some ways this stunt is a favor, since it's merely revealing what was already there. The most important thing is to get over denial.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
31. Stunt promo usurps and trivializes real issue.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 04:31 PM
Mar 2015

Media whores (most of whom would as easily promote Halliburton or Monsanto if the money was right) congratulate themselves for being so noble and smart.

Some PR manager gets a prize and acts like they're Momma Theresa or Harriet Tubman.

Further push-advertising intrusion within public space legitimated.

In subsequent buzz, anyone who doesn't express wonderment at this nonsense is accused of being insensitive to important issue, or of supporting violence against women.

Apologists predictably dispense platitudes about technology being value-neutral. The demonstration of new surveillance technology is altogether harmless and if you don't think so, you're paranoid!

(Okay, so the facial scanners in this case may not have done bio-recognition and individual targeting. Surveillance cameras already do, and future billboards obviously will!)

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
35. Women's aid has been around since 1974
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 04:46 PM
Mar 2015
We work to end violence against women and children, and support over 350 domestic and sexual violence services across the country. Find out about our history, who we are, and what we believe.


Please note that Women's Aid does not have a budget for advertising. To promote our work, we rely entirely upon donated advertising space for our campaigns and are unable to pay for any advertising whatsoever.


They are hardly media whores. Nice word choice by the way.

Your paranoia gets in the way of the message so you puke all over my thread.

http://www.womensaid.org.uk/landing_page.asp?section=000100010019§ionTitle=About+us

http://www.womensaid.org.uk/page.asp?section=0001000100190001§ionTitle=Who+we+are

http://www.womensaid.org.uk/landing_page.asp?section=000100010015§ionTitle=Media+Centre

http://www.womensaid.org.uk/landing_page.asp?section=000100010013§ionTitle=Useful+links



 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
38. so with no budget, they came up with this expensive thing? i wonder who's paying?
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 05:09 PM
Mar 2015

it must be someone who really, really, wanted to make such a billboard, because obviously an organization 'with no money' would come up with more cost-effective use for the funds.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
40. Has nothing to do with your thread, or Women's Aid.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 05:13 PM
Mar 2015

You posted an article from Ad Week - the magazine of the media whore industry - about an ad campaign devised by PR specialists.

"Media whores" is a common term to refer to members of the advertising and PR industries, and it accurately describes their profession: they sell their integrity to paying customers. They will always pose as though sincere, and say whatever they're being paid to say, without regard for its truth value. (It may be true, it may not. Doesn't matter.) As a professional matter they cannot care for the consequences, good or bad, but of course they'll congratulate themselves when the consequences appear to be good (as in this case).

"Media whores" here does not refer to Women's Aid.

Sorry that Women's Aid, which may be a very legitimate group (I don't know) took advice from whatever PR specialists recommended using clearly unethical means to gather data from random passers-by.

Sorry they chose this highly manipulative means to grab peoples' attention. (Really? Keep looking or the bruises get worse?!)

It is probably a fairly expensive campaign, although I don't know, at this point the technology may be mostly off-the-shelf. There's been a lot of development in the surveillance sector. This trend, as we see, has its apologists.

My point stands: Stunt promo usurps & distracts from a real issue. Good people make mistakes too.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
37. the billboards also display a video feed of passers by and text those who stop to look at the
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 05:08 PM
Mar 2015

video.

so you get 3! 3! 3! surveillance techniques in one!

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
34. Freaky.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 04:46 PM
Mar 2015

I never had a tin foil hat before, but I may make one now.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
45. Excellent. I love it when technology is used for good.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 05:28 PM
Mar 2015
 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
46. yeah, right
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 05:30 PM
Mar 2015

I personally love it when good people are manipulated and spied on, and their goodness used against them, but I'm perverse like that

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
47. Tell me how you think this results on people being manipulated and spied on?
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 05:37 PM
Mar 2015

There is, of course, facial recognition technology all over the place that is being used in ways that are questionable, but this seems like a pretty cool way of drawing attention to an issue that is usually neglected.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
49. I'd say you're a tad...
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 05:39 PM
Mar 2015

obsessed with this OP. You're 30% of the response here. Why don't you start you're own thread and discuss the spying that the UK is doing using domestic violence billboards. I bet it would go on for days.

eggplant

(4,199 posts)
70. +1
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 07:33 PM
Mar 2015

Enough tinfoil.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
84. How will you feel when these techniques...
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 12:43 AM
Mar 2015

are being used in campaigns for burgers and cars, as is inevitable? The technology is now there for billboards to harrass people by name, oh hooray, and its roll-out in a worthy charity campaign is a PR coup.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
86. They are not harassing people by name.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 12:56 AM
Mar 2015
 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
88. I did not say "they" are.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 01:07 AM
Mar 2015

You are harrassing the simple act of reading what someone writes.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
89. Sorry. I do not know what you are saying and am signing off.
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 01:11 AM
Mar 2015

Perhaps tomorrow.

Jamastiene

(38,206 posts)
54. It would be even better if they made it so each person made her "heal" as they
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 05:51 PM
Mar 2015

went by. That way she would either stay bruised and beat up if they didn't look for long, but if they look for longer, they see her heal.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
90. I'm deleting this. It has been turned into...
Mon Mar 9, 2015, 01:29 AM
Mar 2015

an obnoxious bunch of tin foil kookiness. It would have been nice if those people had started their own thread and discussed the issues they were concerned with, but instead they continued to derail and shit all over my thread.

Contrary to what some would think it was about more than an ad. In the thread I included links to Women's Aid.org.

I've decided to donate $150 Women's Aid.org. Here's the original OP with added links to Women's Aid.org.

The Bruised Woman on This Billboard Heals Faster as More Passersby Look at Her

Facial recognition technology used to fight domestic violence

Here's an interesting use of facial recognition technology on billboards—to do something a little more inspiring than target you with the right products.

To coincide with International Women's Day this Sunday, London agency WCRS teamed up with Women's Aid and Ocean Outdoor to create some remarkable digital billboards about domestic violence. They use facial recognition to recognize when people are paying attention to the image of a bruised woman. As more people look at the ad, her bruises and cuts heal faster, communicating the benefit of not turning a blind eye to the problem.

The campaign premieres today at Canary Wharf, but it's actually already won an Interactive Award in Ocean's annual Art of Outdoor competition 2014. The video below is the case study made for those awards—with a different image, as you can see.

http://www.adweek.com/adfreak/bruised-woman-billboard-heals-faster-more-passersby-look-her-163297









edited to add another link:

http://www.bustle.com/articles/68179-this-billboard-heals-domestic-violence-victims-bruised-face-as-passers-by-take-notice

A single image can speak volumes if used to its fullest advantage. This Sunday, March 8, the world will celebrate International Women’s Day — but one group has already taken the initiative and planted that seed of change early. London marketing and advertising agency WCRS released a set of billboards intended to shine a spotlight on domestic violence this week, and according to AdWeek, which reported on the campaign, they’re more than your average public awareness poster.

The billboards, the first of which premiered today at Canary Wharf in London, are meant to draw attention to the growing trend of domestic abuse by employing facial recognition technology. The billboard itself shows the image of a woman’s face, marked by bruises, cuts, and a black eye. As passersby stop to look at the board, a small camera captures their image and prompts the billboard to change, slowly “healing” the woman’s wounds as more and more individuals look at it.

If no one looks at the billboard, the image remains the same. The campaign has already won major accolades at British ad-space company Ocean’s annual Art of Outdoor competition, which rewards organizations for their digital creativity in advertisement, in the Interactive category.



http://www.womensaid.org.uk/landing_page.asp?section=000100010019§ionTitle=About+us

http://www.womensaid.org.uk/page.asp?section=0001000100190001§ionTitle=Who+we+are

http://www.womensaid.org.uk/landing_page.asp?section=000100010015§ionTitle=Media+Centre

http://www.womensaid.org.uk/landing_page.asp?section=000100010013§ionTitle=Useful+links
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