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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 12:14 PM Mar 2015

Pharrell Williams and Robin Thicke to pay $7.4m to Marvin Gaye's family over Blurred Lines

Pharrell Williams and Robin Thicke to pay $7.4m to Marvin Gaye's family over Blurred Lines

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/mar/10/blurred-lines-pharrell-robin-thicke-copied-marvin-gaye

A jury awarded Marvin Gaye’s children nearly $7.4m on Tuesday after determining singers Robin Thicke and Pharrell Williams copied their father’s music to create Blurred Lines, the biggest hit song of 2013.

Marvin Gaye’s daughter Nona Gaye wept as the verdict was being read and was hugged by her attorney, Richard Busch.

“Right now, I feel free,” Nona Gaye said after the verdict. “Free from ... Pharrell Williams and Robin Thicke’s chains and what they tried to keep on us and the lies that were told.”

The verdict could tarnish the legacy of Williams, a reliable hit-maker who has won Grammy awards and appears on NBC’s music competition show The Voice.
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Pharrell Williams and Robin Thicke to pay $7.4m to Marvin Gaye's family over Blurred Lines (Original Post) Miles Archer Mar 2015 OP
A mere pittance for Williams. I hear the $7 mill will be split misterhighwasted Mar 2015 #1
I wonder if Williams hfojvt Mar 2015 #2
LOL underpants Mar 2015 #3
DUzy! nt ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2015 #6
No because he had 'blurred vision' malaise Mar 2015 #8
I still can't believe Pharrell was involved with that misogynistic POS KamaAina Mar 2015 #4
He's homophobic, why not misogynistic as well? we can do it Mar 2015 #9
I did not know that! KamaAina Mar 2015 #11
I was not happy to hear it! we can do it Mar 2015 #14
Oh, gods, thanks for that flashback! ladyVet Mar 2015 #15
I think this is a bad decision. kwassa Mar 2015 #5
Actually they argued 8 distinct elements from Gaye's 'Got To Give It Up' and not the 'style' at all. Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #7
I agree with you, this is a scary precedent for creativity. cbdo2007 Mar 2015 #13
Agree whatchamacallit Mar 2015 #19
"The verdict could tarnish the legacy of Williams".......I doubt it. WillowTree Mar 2015 #10
Yeah. He's written so many hits LittleBlue Mar 2015 #12
Q: What is the main instrument that Pharrell uses in his songs? Oneironaut Mar 2015 #16
It didn't really sound like a steal to me, Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #17
I'm conflicted on this mythology Mar 2015 #18
This is not the first time Robin Thicke has stolen from Marvin Gaye... TeeYiYi Mar 2015 #20
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #21
They are going to appeal the decision... Spazito Mar 2015 #22
Good. That was one of the most blatant ripoffs ever. Vinca Mar 2015 #23

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
1. A mere pittance for Williams. I hear the $7 mill will be split
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 12:33 PM
Mar 2015

..between the accused.
But am ok with this decision because the family deserved this going in their favor.

ladyVet

(1,587 posts)
15. Oh, gods, thanks for that flashback!
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 09:47 PM
Mar 2015

How many years I watched Mr. Carson use that line! Lawsy. I needed a laugh.

On topic, glad the family won. Creative property shouldn't be stolen.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
5. I think this is a bad decision.
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 01:20 PM
Mar 2015

They lost for imitating a style, rather than plagiarizing a melody.

This could bring on all kinds of new lawsuits.

the current hit "Uptown Funk" imitates many great funk bands of the past. Very closely.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
7. Actually they argued 8 distinct elements from Gaye's 'Got To Give It Up' and not the 'style' at all.
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 01:33 PM
Mar 2015

Yet others have won on exactly the grounds of imitated style, an example would be Tom Waits who turned down commercial use of his work and the ad makers simply recorded something that sounded like a Waits song, sung by a fake Waits. They did not copy the work at all, but the entire style and they lost, and deservedly so.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
13. I agree with you, this is a scary precedent for creativity.
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 01:50 PM
Mar 2015

When I hear both songs side by side, I don't hear any melody plagiarism. The birth of Rock N Roll was based entirely on copying other styles and adding your own personal touch to it, and while I don't like the song personally, it certainly reads more Robin Thicke and very little Marvin Gaye.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
10. "The verdict could tarnish the legacy of Williams".......I doubt it.
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 01:37 PM
Mar 2015

Any more than when George Harrison got nicked for copyright infringement over "My Sweet Lord". At least in Williams' case, I'd bet it's a similar situation of subconscious plagiarism. And if you've got enough talent, and Williams does, people forget over time.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
12. Yeah. He's written so many hits
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 01:39 PM
Mar 2015

one song won't tarnish his legacy. Many modern artists would be tarnished if this standard applies strictly

Oneironaut

(5,486 posts)
16. Q: What is the main instrument that Pharrell uses in his songs?
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 09:52 PM
Mar 2015

A: A copy machine!

Yeah, that was pretty lame. Sorry.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
17. It didn't really sound like a steal to me,
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 10:00 PM
Mar 2015

unlike the Stay With Me thing (which wisely they settled out of court). Yes, the percussion and rhythm were the same, but the tune was quite different, at least to my ears.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
18. I'm conflicted on this
Wed Mar 11, 2015, 11:45 PM
Mar 2015

Copyright protection goes way too long, but Pharrell is, in my opinion, just utterly awful at the job of writing enjoyable songs and anything that reduces the odds of me having to hear his work again is a good thing.

That and the Blurred Lines song and rape association.

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
20. This is not the first time Robin Thicke has stolen from Marvin Gaye...
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 11:24 AM
Mar 2015

Marvin Gaye - Trouble Man:



Robin Thicke - Million Dollar Baby:



I think he got off easy with only a $7.4m judgement. I hope Marvin Gay's family sues him over Million Dollar Baby and anything else he's pilfered without crediting the artist.

TYY

Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Spazito

(50,151 posts)
22. They are going to appeal the decision...
Fri Mar 13, 2015, 12:23 PM
Mar 2015

Robin Thicke, Pharrell Williams to appeal Blurred Lines verdict

"The trial focused on detailed analyses of chords and notes in both Blurred Lines and Got to Give It Up, but jurors never listened the actual recordings of either songs, because Gaye’s family only owned the copyright to the sheet music for Got to Give It Up.

This fact is likely to figure prominently in the artists' appeal.

"This jury didn't listen to any music, which is rather surprising to me," said King. "The fact, is harmonies are different, the chords are different and the notes are different.""

http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/robin-thicke-pharrell-williams-to-appeal-blurred-lines-verdict-1.2991705

The fact the jury was not presented with the actual recordings of both songs to compare is a major issue, imo.

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