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RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) Former presidential candidate John Edwards says he has been diagnosed with a medical condition that would make it difficult for him to attend his approaching criminal trial over campaign finances and is asking for it to be delayed.
In a motion filed Thursday, Edwards' lawyers asked a federal judge to delay the start of the Jan. 30 trial for at least two months. They did not disclose his illness and filed sealed records with the court.
"The Defendant has a medical issue ... that will prevent a trial of this matter during the January 2012 Criminal Term," the motion says. "The failure to grant a continuance would be likely to result in a miscarriage of justice."
Members of the defense team could not immediately be reached for comment.
http://news.yahoo.com/john-edwards-asks-delay-trial-citing-illness-212541526.html
JustABozoOnThisBus
(24,574 posts)It's not easy to listen to the proceedings with his head up his ass.
Poor John.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)11cents
(1,780 posts)I had one of those once. Had to postpone all my trials.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)now he is scum
MilesColtrane
(18,678 posts)SecurityManager
(124 posts)Or just chickenshit of a prison sentence?
prepperdad
(103 posts)John E was a horrible man, especially the way he treated his wife during her last days on earth. He deserves whatever he gets.
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waddirum
(999 posts)He had extra-marrital sex, like a substantial portion of the adult population. This does not make him deserving of "whatever he gets"... whether it is a medical condition or whatever.
Remember that saying about "casting the first stone"? Who the hell are any of us to judge or wish ill on someone because of sexual intercourse?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)'Traditional Baptist' thinking that marriage is 'for one man and one woman Sanctified by God' and claim that he was so deeply religious that the idea of tarnishing that 'sacrament' was just too much for him. He said all of this while he was conducting himself quite differently. Sleeping with more than 'one woman' as a married 'one man'.
So you need to deal with the fact that HE made the free choice to stand up and cast stones at good people claiming he was pure and Sanctified, and those others were lacking in God's eyes. He judged millions, and he claimed to hold standards that he most certainly did not hold at all. He trashed gay couples for 'tarnishing marriage' man.
A huge hypocrite of the first order. Judged others. So you are defending a hypocrite and homophobe who used trash talk about a minority group to make a smokescreen to hide his own adultery and lies. And attempting to do that with 'hip freedom' talk. Yeah, who are we to judge him, it is his role to judge us, right? Sorry, wrong as the day is long.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)At the risk of sounding like my mother, "If everyone else were jumping off bridges, would you do that, too?"
The point is that hurting people you allegedly love is wrong and he does deserve whatever heaping pile of shit karma serves him.
Muskypundit
(717 posts)Now would be the time for the mistress to leave.
hlthe2b
(112,629 posts)As generally negative, or at least conflicted as I feel about this man, I don't wish him ill health. Elisabeth forgave him, so who am I to hold a grudge. He's not exactly skating through all this without consequence for his actions, after all.
MADem
(135,425 posts)And she cut him out of her will.
She died before the divorce could be finalized, but I think she was done with his cheating ass.
That's not forgiveness, IMO...!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/06/post_627_n_805353.html
hlthe2b
(112,629 posts)http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/12/10/elizabeth-and-john-edwards-partners-in-the-end-for-the-family-t/
Elizabeth Edwards spent her final days in the round-the-clock company of her tearful husband, the two of them linked by family, tragedy and maybe even love, despite the stunning political soap opera that destroyed their marriage. It led to a legal separation, but not to separate lives.
Perhaps the most unexpected aspect of Elizabeth's death Tuesday at 61, from the cancer she had fought since 2004, was the presence of her estranged husband, John. She spent two years trying to make the marriage work after learning of his affair with Rielle Hunter, the videographer for his 2008 presidential campaign. The couple even renewed their vows in 2007 on their 30th anniversary.
Last January, after John finally admitted he was the father of Hunter's child and Elizabeth went to a hotel to meet the toddler, Elizabeth told her sister that "I've had it." The pair lived apart from then on -- but when her time grew short, he became a constant presence at the family home.
"He spent her last days with her pretty much around the clock," said Raleigh attorney Bonnie Weyher, a close friend of Elizabeth's since their law school days. "Obviously there was hurt and there was anger and all kinds of emotions. But in the end he was there with her. That speaks volumes."
The trajectory of this North Carolina couple is well known: They met as law students in Chapel Hill, got married, had a son, Wade, and a daughter, Cate. John gained spectacular success as a trial lawyer. Then the sharp turns: Wade's death at 16 in a freak car accident, their decision to have two more children late in life, John's upset win in a 1998 Senate race, the 2004 presidential campaign that catapulted him onto the national ticket with John Kerry, Elizabeth's cancer diagnosis the day after the 2004 election, the collapse of it all after a second presidential bid and three years of deception, and Elizabeth's controversial decisions to encourage her husband's 2008 campaign at two crucial junctures -- after learning of his affair at the tail end of 2006, and three months later when her cancer returned.
After all that history, perhaps inevitably, their lives remained intertwined, even as Elizabeth scored him in print and interviews for his "terrible" behavior and his evolution from "that sweet man I loved for so long" to "the John of today." There was a practical element running through their interactions. Their two youngest children, Emma Claire and Jack, are only 12 and 10 years old. Their parents arranged visits, attended school events and sports games, talked logistics. "I really don't think a day went by when he wasn't in contact with her," Weyher said. "I think they talked every day, and if she needed something, he would help her with it."
Last summer, John went along when Elizabeth wanted to show her children Japan, where she had lived for nine years as a child in a Navy family. Lest anyone get the idea that the couple were reconciling, Elizabeth made clear to People magazine that John would be going as a father, not a husband. He'll be "an enormous help" with the children, she said, and added: "Of course, the sleeping arrangements will be different."
Glenn Bergenfield, a Princeton, N.J. lawyer and lifelong friend of both John and Elizabeth, said the pair had remained partners in raising their children. "He's been a loving and devoted dad, and despite the grief over what's happened and the regrets I'm sure he has, we all hope he continues to succeed there," he said in an interview.
He cast John's presence in Elizabeth's life and at her bedside as part of her wish to see him be the best father he can be to Jack and Emma Claire. "Whatever their personal issues were as a couple ... one thing that Elizabeth was emphatic about and at peace with was she wanted John to succeed. She wanted John to continue to be a really great father," he said.
Weyher didn't disagree. But she talked as well of the deep love she believes the two still shared. "He was the love of her life. Those feelings just don't go away. He was with her at the end. She wanted him there," she told me. As for John, "I haven't asked him to explain himself, but I don't doubt for a minute that he always loved Elizabeth. He never stopped loving her."
Now that she's gone, Weyher added, "I think he's devastated. He's functioning the best that he can for the sake of the children. But I've seen him with tears in his eyes, repeatedly. He's feeling this loss very deeply." Asked if she thought Elizabeth had forgiven him, she replied, "I do."
Over the past year, it was practicality and not sentiment that appeared to dictate Elizabeth's choices. She wanted to sell the couple's palatial 28,000-square-foot home, but her health began to decline and the family still lives there. She reportedly had divorce papers ready -- suggesting she wanted to make a clean break -- but did not file them, also because of her health. She did not shut her husband out of her life or her children's. He was going to be their sole parent when she was gone, and as her health declined, she increasingly needed his help.
Her children were foremost on her mind. As John and the children toured a ship in Japan, she unburdened herself to Josh Fryday, a former campaign aide now stationed in Japan as a JAG lawyer for the Navy. "She feared most for her children, and what would happen to them when she was gone. How would they fare without a mother?" Fryday wrote at CNN.com after her death. "She wanted to see Cate get married and watch the kids grow up."
Cate, 28, an attorney in Washington, is engaged to her longtime boyfriend, third-year medical resident Trevor Upham, Weyher said, and "they'll have their own life." Still, Bergenfield predicted "a brutal road ahead" for all family and friends, especially the two younger children. Elizabeth prepared them for her death "as well as one can," he said, and did everything she could to smooth John's path as a single father. "He's really an excellent father," he said of John. "The kids think that, and that's the beginning and the end of it."
Bergenfield was Wade's godfather and now he is Jack's. Asked about the relationship between John and Elizabeth, he returned repeatedly to their merits as parents and their partnership in raising their children. He offered no wishful or sentimental assessment of how they might have felt about each other in the end.
But maybe it's appropriate to mention here that Bergenfield was there at the beginning. He is the one who introduced John and Elizabeth to each other at law school and is even described sometimes as having talked them into going out. He says that's overstating his role. "They liked each other," he told me. "They would have found a way to each other."
They did find a way back to each other at the end, for the sake of the children.
MADem
(135,425 posts)She cut him completely out of her will, the will she signed six scant days before she died.
I don't think they found their way back to each other. I think she tolerated him so the kids wouldn't be too bummed out.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)and you were in a perfect position to know better than anybody else, not just what these two were doing in her last days, but what she was thinking even if those thoughts seemed different than any actions she may have taken.
next time, don't bother to have a discussion about it, just ask you. you were there, with the Edwards, you speak with such authority --YOU must have been there.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Nowhere did I ever suggest such a thing. You are inventing a premise in an attempt to irritate and intimidate.
Are you suggesting that I am not permitted to speculate on a widely publicized news story because you don't like my suppositions? It sounds to me like you enjoy telling others what they can and cannot discuss--but I don't respond very well to that sort of thing.
Next time, I suggest that you just back away from conversations not to your liking. You will be happier, I suspect, if you do. I know I will.
hlthe2b
(112,629 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)of his Sacrament of Marriage while he himself was not upholding his Sanctity at all. He went on and on about his 'traditional' marriage dogma being 'a part of me' as he had a Deacon for a father, you see, and so he just had to oppose equality because of God, and the Sacrament, and 'one man, one woman'. Oh yes, he did the 'count' one of each, no mention of his extra Sacramental affairs, nope. While he was fucking his mistress and his wife was dying, he stood up and declared that he was too holy to support marriage equality, that his own marriage was so 'Sanctified' that he could simply no 'cross that bridge' and he continued to oppose equality for others.
No apology, no donations to youth suicide hotlines, nothing at all to mitigate the exploitation of good people to make a facade of Christianity for him to hide behind while fucking his mistress.
I'd withhold judgement too, if John had done the same to the entire community he slandered while claiming to be oh, so pure, too pure for 'those people' in fact.
So in short, fuck him. Thief, liar, hypocrite. Fake. Slander monger.
See, I don't need to withhold, as he already said I'm an unsanctified, unworthy semi-human. Funny how that works. He sowed the seeds, he picks the crop.
hlthe2b
(112,629 posts)I said I was withholding judgement in terms of his "illness" and in terms of his trial and appropriate outcome--as well as his last days with Elisabeth and their private interactions. Kindly don't project this on me.
MADem
(135,425 posts)last election--even as he was juggling his girlfriend and lying to the public, he was trying to negotiate for the VP slot. He siphoned money and support and television airtime from other Democratic candidates. He lied to his supporters, his constituency, and worst of all, his spouse.
I want to be clear that I don't insist that you see things from my POV, though. I'm simply imparting my personal perspective, which is firmly held.
hlthe2b
(112,629 posts)I don't understand why you seem to continue to suggest I am defending him... I am NOT. I said I was withholding judgement in terms of his "illness" and in terms of his trial and appropriate outcome--as well as his last days with Elisabeth and their private interactions.
That is it... That is all.
That does not mean I take no offense at his actions nor his actions vis-a-vis his candidacy. I certainly do... I supported him as Kerry's VP and it is painful to see him self-destruct and the potential wide ramification he could have unleashed.
That was NOT the issue I was addressing. That is not the subject of the original post which is about his illness and requested delay of trial. I am merely stating that I'm not prepared to allow my own biases to drive any assumptions regarding his illness and his credibility on that score.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I think it is our business--his illness, his conduct now and in the past, his excuses why he can't go to trial now--all of it is our business. He doesn't have a right to privacy as regards this matter.
He's a public figure, being tried for crimes committed as such, that included misappropriation of donor money. He certainly made it HIS business to try to separate Democrats from their money in support of him, so it's quite natural for Democrats--and any citizens, really--to take an interest in what will happen to him as a consequence of his misconduct.
hlthe2b
(112,629 posts)That said, I'm more than content to enjoy the beautiful peaceful snow outside my door, my beloved aging doggy girl lying by my feet by the fireplace and chat with far away friends and family tonight.... And hope that 2012 is one hell of a lot better for all of us. Hoping you may be experiencing the same.
BlueIris
(29,135 posts)If for no other reason than to face whatever consequences he needs to.
Those kids have been through enough. Hope it isn't serious.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)ddeclue
(16,733 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)EE was a wonderful woman. She would even come visit the IRC channel during the campaign and chime in on the blog.
She didn't deserve to spend her last days with a broken heart, publically dealing with his lack of character.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)truly
rurallib
(64,519 posts)that he was the one talking about two Americas, a rich America and a very poor America that was growing ever bigger while rich America grew richer.
Admit that he was talking about taking power from the hands of the rich.
Whatever his personal life deteriorated into, he at least understood what was going on and had an idea what to do about it.
Ineeda
(3,626 posts)that there was more outrage against Anthony Weiner, who committed no crime, than against Edwards. Yes, Edwards talked a good game but he's morally and, perhaps, legally corrupt. He faces six felony and misdemeanor charges for more or less 'stealing' a million dollars to hide his pregnant mistress.
More significant info from the article:
"The start date of the trial has already been put back once after Edwards said he needed more time to prepare his defense and attend his daughter's wedding.
Edwards appeared healthy last week at a pretrial hearing in the case."
Edwards, a Democrat, denies knowingly violating the law and has pleaded not guilty.
MADem
(135,425 posts)he disrespected his wife (who has to go to work every day for the SECSTATE and be in the public eye), and he became a complete and total laughingstock, a situation worsened by his unfortunate last name.
However, he didn't steal money from supporters to support a pregnant girlfriend, entice staffers to lie and cover up for him, and continue to push for a role on the national stage when he knew that he was fatally flawed.
Edwards beats Weiner by a country mile in the "lousy politician" contest!
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)I certainly can cut John some amount of slack. Yeah, I know we can't be allowed to forgive him his transgressions and he is forever disqualified for rehabilitation in the Party...but it does show just how upside down everything is with this issue between the 2 parties.
I am surprised that he hasn't married Hunter, though...I wonder if she's going to end up as a prosecution witness?
BlueIris
(29,135 posts)who has given any kind of speech or public statement that actually made me cry. It was his closing remarks during the VP debates in '04 about his father learning math on television, the light of American potential that is fading now, etc. I also appreciated his statements in the years that followed about how America is losing its edge globally (very true) due to the lack of progress made in the last decade.
So, yes, despite the terrible choices he made in his marriage, his focus on our social and governmental problems was always dead on, and to me, he managed to communicate his concerns in a way I found moving.
I really hope he is not seriously ill. His family needs him after what they have endured.
customerserviceguy
(25,406 posts)If he really wanted to do something about the fine things he espoused, he would have kept his pants zipped in the post-Lewinsky era. Or he would at least have used protection, both to prevent the child he would try to deny, and the supporters who gave him money and votes.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Nothing that spewed from that lying mouth could be believed.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)aquart
(69,014 posts)alphafemale
(18,497 posts)and utter humiliation John served to her when she needed him most.
MADem
(135,425 posts)full of hormones, trying twice to give her husband the son to carry on his precious "name" and replace the one that was killed.
I often wonder if she hadn't gone through all that, if she'd still be alive.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)But I don't think that she did it just for her husband.
MADem
(135,425 posts)...but she was always the Edwards that I liked best. I probably could have gotten behind an Edwards candidacy if SHE was the candidate, and he was the supportive spouse!
Really--she just came across as more "real" to me--even when she was going through hell.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Such a shame that she passed away before her youngest kids grew up.
zbdent
(35,392 posts)"liberally-biased media"
...
he would even qualify for the 2020 Republican Presidential primaries ...
RZM
(8,556 posts)'Your honor, my client has an unspecified medical issue. I move for dismissall.'
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demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)if Kerry had become P and Edwards VP would he have cheated?
probably so...
in my experience, once a cheater always a cheater
Bucky
(55,334 posts)Scarier still when you consider the likelihood that any Democratic president is bound to be impeached by a Republican Congress at any given moment.
proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)Bucky
(55,334 posts)DeathToTheOil
(1,124 posts)What part of that did he not understand???
Critters2
(30,889 posts)I've been feeling sick about that for a long time.
I shouldn't laugh but this post was funny.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,939 posts)After all, he did get my primary vote.
But considering that he was doing something that was not merely morally disgusting, but that also would have pt John McCain and Palin in office, I cannot forgive him. Save the mercy for heaven john, because what you did can and should hang on you the rest of your rotten life.
madinmaryland
(65,654 posts)steve2470
(37,481 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Apparently, it's not a terribly obvious illness, like Nixon's phlebitis:
The start date of the trial has already been put back once after Edwards said he needed more time to prepare his defense and attend his daughter's wedding.
Edwards appeared healthy last week at a pretrial hearing in the case.
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waddirum
(999 posts)Nobody deserves cancer. He had an affair and a love child, which screwed up his marriage and put him in legal jeopardy.
Many, many people have had affairs. That does not make anyone, including John, worthy of getting cancer. It's X-mas for goodness sake. Remember the bit about "casting the first stone"?
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)he'll get over it
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Nothing he did compares to what Newt Gingrich did. I was never a supporter because he did vote for the war but he is a human being and I for one, feel sorry for him.
When Bush/Cheney are pursued the way he is being pursued, I might feel differently. But since the rule of law has been abandoned in this country, I'm for 'looking forward' on this, he has kids and how will it affect them to have lost their mother and then to see their father go to jail? It will be something they will never get over. They don't deserve this. If he was unable to think of them, for whatever reason, maybe we could. Someone should. Their mother did not want any more nastiness, she had moved on and she wanted her children to have at least one parent.
I hope he is not seriously ill, and I hope they drop this case until they start going after all criminals. If he was a Republican, he'd be running for office right now.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)He proved himself a coward beneath contempt, capable of humiliating his wife with cancer AND denying his youngest child.
He had his beautiful wife stand up on national TV and publicly defend him. When all those rumors were TRUE.
He HID from reporters in a BATHROOM for two hours when the truth was coming out.
He was shown to have a spine with the strength of wet toilet paper. Not a characteristic I want in a leader.
Republicans may like these moist men I'm glad that Dems drummed him out of any hope of a political career. Not even city council.
You talked a good game, John, But we can never believe a word that comes out of your mouth...ever again.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)went on. He said he was a Deacon's son, and oh, lord, his opinion on marriage were sooo traditional, 'one man, one woman Sanctified' and he just could not, you see, get past his faith and what God says so he could not allow the Sacrament of Holy Marriage to get tainted by teh gay.
I ask you what you said to him about that vitriol and the lack of empathy, if not for us, then for our children?
He stood on stages across the land claiming Sanctity and Superiority then fucking that which he wanted to fuck, regardless.
A hypocrite who slandered the gay community in order to mask his own actions. In addition, he has not apologized for doing that, which he could.
Sorry. Strong feelings against anti gay hypocrites.
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)He cheated on his wife and that's pretty crappy. But at least he had the decency to support that other kid.
But I always found there was something genuine about the guy. I think he had real potential and if it hadn't been for the scandal he could have run for Prez again and maybe won. I was planning on voting for him one of those times he ran for president, but he had to drop out before the primary in my state, so I voted for Denis Kucinich instead.
He was on to something with that "Two Americas" rhetoric and in some ways it really presaged alot of the same feelings we see coming out of the occupy movement.
The 99% and the 1%, the Two Americas, same diff. Actually I'd probably vote for John Edwards if he ran in a primary against Obama, even though I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have much company on that one.
MADem
(135,425 posts)for making lousy home videos, and later for no good reason at all, while he had a staffer pretend that he was the father of the child.
Very sleazy indeed...those adoring fans, those "little people" from that kitchen table America sent in their dollars...and those dollars went to "Rielle Hunter" so she could fly around with John, filming him by day and schtupping him by night.
karynnj
(60,765 posts)In fact, it was the informal name of a 1968 report written by Illinois governor Otto Kerner.
aaaaaa5a
(4,686 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)witch hunt anyways. .
BOHICA12
(471 posts)And to think we were once his peeps!
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts).whatever.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I abhorred him when he ran against Gen. Clark and I held my nose to vote for Kerry because Edwards was on the ticket.
Logical
(22,457 posts)John Edwards cared about this country. More than most "Progressibe Dems".
He cared for the little guy. He cared about the 99%.
He messed around on his wife. Like JFK did many times and people seem to LOVE JFK.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I never saw any evidence that he cared about the little guy other than the babble he spewed. And, we all know talk is cheap.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Political positions of John Edwards
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_John_Edwards
karynnj
(60,765 posts)These were his 2008 positions. They were radically different than his 2004 positions. Not to mention they had no similarity to his record in the Senate. Fact - in 2008, he saw no opening on the right side of the party that he was in in his Senate career and in 2004 - when he mocked both Kerry's and Dean's healthcare plans as unaffordable. Political chameleon.
karynnj
(60,765 posts)Obama worked on the southside of Chicago after graduating from the IVY LEAGUE Columbia and then again after being the law review editor at Harvard.
Hillary, out of law school worked for the Children's Defense Fund.
Kerry wrote legislation on affordable housing and children's health insurance and was the Senate sponsor of Youthbuild.
Dean greatly improved healthcare in VT.
Edwards voted for the bankruptcy bill in 2001. He took $500, 000 to work a few days a month in 2005 or 2006 for a hedge fund that foreclosed on people in New Orleans after Katrina.
BiggJawn
(23,051 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)nostalgicaboutmyfutr
(1,024 posts)But it has been going on for a while!
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)Oh, you say they're not being tried? I guess if illegitimate children aren't involved, it's not a crime.
Not defending Edwards, but our priorities are FUBARed, no question about it.
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