I'm done with this forum.

[Guaguacoa]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by LeftishBrit (a host of the General Discussion forum).

Adios for good. I am from mexico, live here, and have lived in the us the "I word" without papers before (I have to say it this way or some white person will come by and get me removed from posted in the thread even though we, they, refer to ourselves/themselves this way in the usa) and am very concerned with the fact that 36% of latinos vote conservative when I have thought all along it should be 0%. There is a problem though with "our side" where white people like to tell us what is racist, or what acceptable labels are and shut us down if we do not agree. This is just as racist as the other side so I see no point in going any further. Now I know there are good people here, but these are the most vocal here and even in the us.

You have NO right to tell me what I should find acceptable. I would not think of telling you. Since that is the way here, even with the jury's, then I no longer care which side latino's vote for. I will be going back to the us in a few months and am formally retired from worrying about how anyone else votes. For this I am done here, dealing with some here is worse than dealing with conservatives. Hopefully you don't drive us all away.

[RobertEarl]

1. I know what you are saying

One of our faults is that some think they are so perfect they can go around telling others what to think and say. It makes life, and DU, suck.

Good luck.

[7wo7rees]

116. Promise? n/t

[bigwillq]

3. The day I stopped taking DU seriously, is the day I started to enjoy it.

It's just a message board. No need to take it seriously.

[SoCalDem]

145. Amen.. life is too short to worry about what someone you will never meet, thinks of you

[bigwillq]

150. Thread win!

[Old and In the Way]

4. ok, Mr. Nadet....vote Republican.

Tell us how that works for you. 80 million Democrats think just like 60 million Republicans...only difference is we like Donkeys better than Elephants.

[1StrongBlackMan]

6. What?

[Old and In the Way]

12. really?

[1StrongBlackMan]

15. I don't know ... That's why I asked ...

What is your post saying?

[Old and In the Way]

29. The premise of this post is laughable.

On the one hand he thinks "0" of Latinos should vote Conservative, but he's got problems with this board.?..I don't know, not supporting his anti-conservative agenda? Sounds like a troll trying to say Republican = Democrat. That is how Ralph trolled.

[Guaguacoa]

35. Ah, typical. Nothing else to say then call names.

I have a problem with white guys telling me what is racist. Obviously you are one of those that believe that way. Sorry, but anyone that trys and keep me down in the lettuce patch by telling me what to think ARE just as bad as the other guys. Not everyone, just the most vocal.

Ralph? Sorry nancy, I have no idea who that is. Go back through my posts, I have posted on a lot of threads about mexico.

[Old and In the Way]

39. Wharever, try FreeRepublic...you'll get a sympathic ear there.

Thought you were leaving? Guess not.

[Guaguacoa]

52. You are not sane are you? You think they allow mexican's?

Why don't you ignore the thread bigot.

[Guaguacoa]

57. Calling me a freeper is not either, unless only

the brown guy can be in the wrong. I also didn't call him crazy, I asked if he was sane. Do you not know the difference?

[Guaguacoa]

64. Don't worry, the brown guy will leave.

[Guaguacoa]

70. You made one about me also. I didn't call him crazy, I asked him if he was.

Confusing the two is ignorance. It's the same as saying I asked you if you were hungry and you claimed I called you hungry. I guess home schooling is not always good.

[Guaguacoa]

80. Bla, bla, bla.nt

[Jim Lane]

130. Old and In the Way has said nothing bigoted.

If your reaction to every disagreement is to call the other person a bigot, then you're probably better off not spending time on DU.

[whathehell]

133. +100 n/t

[Comrade Grumpy]

58. I think you misunderstood the OP.

Poster didn't think he thought Latinos should vote conservative; he said 0 should.

[Guaguacoa]

67. Thaks. Several on this thread cannot read.nt

[Guaguacoa]

94. Seriously? Racist is thinking another race is inferior.

Believing someone should not tell me what I should find racist is NOT racist. It won't work on me.

[whathehell]

137. You've done your share of that, and, btw, how do you know

who is "white" and who is "brown"?

Frankly, my dear, it's you who is coming off as the "bigot".

[cwydro]

158. Seriously,

the OP continually uses phrases such as "go back to the lettuce patch," refers to Mexicans as "grass trimmers."

I'm surprised he didn't get more alerts.

[1StrongBlackMan]

40. Okay ...I disagree; but, okay. n/t

[Guaguacoa]

53. Why is it that you get it, the boriqua gets it but the white guys throw a fit?nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

61. That's because PoC ...

and women ... and the LGBT community have a very different experience in America, than the white guys.

[Guaguacoa]

68. YESSSSSSS!!!!!! They don't get that though.nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

72. They get it ...

it's just many, including some here, just don't care.

[Guaguacoa]

85. I really didn't want to believe that, but I think you are right.

I'm just having some fun before I leave. Take care, seriously, I think it will get better in the future (If we get the majority) and I think how it does will shock these guys.

[marble falls]

148. Some of us get it very well. I've been on juries from this thread. In the end as well as.....

up to this point a lot of white guys have been involved in the struggle, too.

[bravenak]

121. This happens to us all the time.

Sorry. It's wrong.

[still_one]

88. The OP is confusing at best. There are always disagreements on forums, usually within boundaries

Which are part of the TOS

No one "forces" anyone to accept a view, unless you have completely lost your individuality

If someone states something as a view, that someone else's experience doesn't share, that is life. One either tries to convince the other side why their view is correct, or not.

[Guaguacoa]

95. And where does getting blocked from posting in a thread because a white guy

doesn't like a word I used to refer to myself and others of my race in the us? It is called being "forced" to accept that.

[still_one]

112. At least to me that sure wasn't made clear in your OP. Right now with what you said, you made it

Very clear what the gripe is.

Anyway, thanks for the clarification

If it makes you feel any better I have been locked out of a thread, and I understand how it could be quite frustrating if comments are being made about you or yor view, and you cannot respond to them.

What I do in that case is walk away from that thread, and perhaps do something like you are doing, starting a new thread.

The only advice I would give you is don't let is psych you out

[AverageJoe90]

5. I'm sorry to hear that.

Perhaps, if you truly would like to leave DU, you might honestly feel more at home at Fire Dog Lake.....either way, best of luck to you, I suppose.

[Guaguacoa]

37. I'll check it out. Thanks.

[marym625]

7. I'm sorry

You are 100% right.

[onecaliberal]

8. Y'all are free to vote for people that hate your guts.

People who want to deport all 13 million of you today.

[Guaguacoa]

13. Sorry, not gone yet. I didn't say I was voting for anyone, just don't care who anyone else votes

for and both sides treat us like grass trimmers that cannot think for ourselves. It's either racism out in the open or racism while telling themselves they are not. Just as a side note 2 of the places I lived in were cali and arkansas and I encountered far more racism in cali and practically none in arkansas or oklahome. Just saying.

The point is there is not much reason to embrace either side and most of us when in the us live with the knowledge we may have to leave at any time and go back home, so since 36% latinos voted for anti amnesty candidates in the last election I don't think they care about it anyway.

Until the left decides we can think for ourself without being shut down by someone telling us how it has to be done, start worrying about crime in the latino neighborhoods in the us (which are crime ridden and ignored because it's not white people doing it), actually care about us other than someone to fall in line just to help get you elected, then it's best to look out when we become the majority as we will owe no allegiance to anyone. Seriously.

Right now even voting left is a "hold your nose" vote and that will end one day, hope you enjoy it.

[groundloop]

18. There are going to be people in any group that piss us off..... DU is no different

The thing is that we generally agree that we'd rather have left leaning politicians in office rather than right wing politicians. Beyond that everyone here is very diverse, and yes, some don't play well with others. I think those folks just stand out more than others, so I try to ignore them as much as possible.

[DonCoquixote]

24. a Puerto Rican chiming in

I know that we Boricuas supposedly get accpeted as Americans alreayd, although I can and will do a whole rant on the reality. The problem is that until the Democratic party stops trying to win over the people who are bigots, they will always set themselves up for failure. Sadly, I remember when latinos were DEMONIZED by the Unions, yes, they got over that some, but I still see Keyboard warriors saying shit like "immigration hurts us workers." Yet, they still glaze over the fact that H1b visas do more damage than any other type, as it takes away jobs that frankly, we fellow Norte Americanos would want.

the only thing I can say is that a lot of the "reagan democrats" want us to leave. They are no less scared of our numbers than the GOP, especialy because their sole appeal is "you hate GOP." Yes, the castro twins are being grommed as Hillary's VP puppets, so that they can do what Obama did not, and be the brown wrapping for suburban policies.

However, if we do leave, then we can be made into the excuse. Also, the GOP will send in the Marco Rubios and Susanna martinezes who we KNOW will screw us over, but they will be the known faces before the mikes. We will not stop suffering until we actively take over the structure, and do it in such a way that it is at the local level, which is the one game the Democrats have been neglecting ion favor of celebrities.

[Guaguacoa]

49. You see? You get it, 1strong blackman gets it and it's the white guys that are getting

upset over the "uppity" brown guys. I agree, there are democrats (I guess reagan) that want us to leave and hate us. Don't get me started on being demonized by the unions, the unions in san diego demonized us big time. We were "union busters" Don't tell 1cali or whatever his name is though he will go ballistic.

They are no less scared of our numbers than the GOP, especialy because their sole appeal is "you hate GOP." Yes, the castro twins are being grommed as Hillary's VP puppets, so that they can do what Obama did not, and be the brown wrapping for suburban policies.

Exactly. It only goes so far, just like calling racism for political gain and ignoring it when it's the "right" people.

[Wella]

114. "be the brown wrapping for suburban policies. "

May I ask if you think Obamacare is a "suburban" policy. I think you overestimate Obama's commitment to suburban values.

[onecaliberal]

28. Just because those confederate flags flying all

Over Arkansas don't represent the deaths of brown people they damn sure represent death and racism towards blacks
It's interesting that you don't mind racism if it's not directed at you.
You can spout your Arkansas is not as racist as Ciformia bullshit all you want it's complete fabrication. I live in the reddest part of California, born and raised here. Your description is just not accurate.

[Guaguacoa]

42. That's because you are white and you obsess with telling us brown people

who and what is racist. You are part of the problem on this board and this party. You don't get to tell me where I have seen racism and I saw plenty in ca. I never saw any in arkansas or oklahoma, nor did I see it directed ant anyone. Have you lived there? Have you lived there as a person of color? You don't have a clue what it's like to live as someone with very dark skin, without papers in the us. I don't care if you accept it or not, it's true. I worked at an automotive chain in san diego that would not hire black people at all until they got ready to sell.

Don't mind racism? Of course I do, but if I don't see it I don't go around calling everyone racist. I have seen racism in the latino community directed to the black community and vice versa. It's funny people like you only see it if it's whites doing it.

My description is very accurate, you just have no clue. I will never go back to california, and know something else? A good part of the latinos in arkansas went there from california. That's a fact.

[onecaliberal]

65. I don't tell brown people anything. I hope for and vote

For ALL people to have the same rights I have. As a women that is a struggle still. You don't know me and for you to accuse me of telling brown people anything is baseless and clueless. Like I said racism is perfectly fine with you so long as it's not pointed at you. Enjoy my dust bin.

[virgogal]

41. Grandmother here---stop whining and count your blessings. Good lord !

[Guaguacoa]

43. Grandfather here. You must be upset because I dared to think for myself.nt

[virgogal]

44. Thinking for yourself is no problem,feeling sorry for yourself is.

[Guaguacoa]

55. OK, explain to me what it's like for you, as a brown skinned person, to get

slapped down by white people on what is racist to me. Waiting.

[whathehell]

143. Bingo! We have a winner!

[hunter]

46. "Cali," Arkansas, and Oklahoma are big places...

... and DU is in no way representative of the Democratic Party.

I live in a California city that is predominantly Mexican. Many of the more recent immigrants are from rural Mexico and speak indigenous American languages, Mixteco, Triqui, etc., and very little Spanish.

Probably 80% or more of our school age population has Mexican heritage, my own kids included.

Comparing "Cali" to Arkansas or Oklahoma is absurd.

I'm fairly well traveled in both the U.S.A. and Mexico, most of it not tourist destinations.

Your mileage may vary.

[Guaguacoa]

92. Agreed, I never said any different. But I have been all over arkansas and oklahoma

and cali I have been from the border to san francisco. I heard more "wetback" and "spic" in ca. Just my experience as a mexican, I know it doesn't count to some white people who know better. Not directing it to you.

Most of us do not live in tourist destinations here in mexico. Mexico is very different depending on where you are, but it's very bigoted against darker skin here.

[bananas]

9. It's been a long time since I recommended this site to anyone. nt

[sunnystarr]

96. Selfish ... (nt)

[1StrongBlackMan]

10. Don't feel rained on ...

That is a frequent complainto among Black folks ... and, women ... and the LGBT community members (iow, the Democratic base) about DU.

One would think folks would catch on.

[Guaguacoa]

21. I know it is 1strong. It's not just this forum though, I saw the same thing in cali.

It's just that it's a "get back to the lettuce field" attitude if you do not accept what the white person says and that's no less demeaning than from the right.

There's a lot of problems in the latino/black communities in the us and I really wish there was a way we could get together. I think together we could make some changes.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. Please elaborate.

Specific examples please.

[dissentient]

14. Ok, take care.

[boston bean]

16. Are you saying you are leaving because you used the "I" word to describe

Mexican immigrants and someone told you that you shouldn't do that?

I'm confused???

[Guaguacoa]

22. No. I don't know how far I can go to explain it.

If you can look in my post history you will see another thread I was active in and I referred to people in the us without papers using the (I ) word. That includes me when I was there and everyone else. In the latino community everyone there refers to themselves the same way using the spanish version of the word. Along comes a white guy that is offended and got me banned from posting in the thread. Blackpeople can use the n word, but we latinos can't even use the I word when it refers to us? I'm tired of white people telling me what to think and say, what is acceptable to me no matter what party they are in.

To me it's like white guy telling the brown guy to get back to the lettuce patch and start picking.

[still_one]

105. Just post the link

[Brother Buzz]

111. The jury results for the hidden post might shed some light for us in the dark, too.

[Princess Turandot]

27. The OP had a post hidden for referring to undocumented immigrants as 'illegal'...

in a 4-3 jury decision. This thread seems to be related to his comments in that thread, which related to those idiot UO frat guys.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141036270#post130

[Guaguacoa]

32. Bingo. Why should some white guy get to tell me that something we, they, use daily

to refer to ourselves is wrong. I have yet to see anyone HERE try and shut down black people for using the n word to refer to themselves. Yet I can't refer to myself as that? It's selective outrage. Just like in that thread.

[Logical]

34. I thought you were leaving? Did you change your mind? Nt

[Guaguacoa]

38. Nop still going. Just want to bother people like you before I go.

Feel free to report me, have the modes delete my account or just stay away fromt the thread....which is easier, but I think you are happy to see brown people go.

[Comrade Grumpy]

69. Please keep it up. n/t

[Guaguacoa]

71. Thanks for the encouragement.nt

[John Poet]

84. That is uncalled for.

[hfojvt]

87. How do you know the jury was all-white?

people get to have opinions and in the opinion of some people the i-word is on the forbidden list.

[Guaguacoa]

97. I know the idiot that reported it was white. I you the ones that voted for blocking it (not all did

was white. I see people here defending black people's use of the n word all day long, Is it because I am latino that I do not get the same consideration especially since every latino there uses it to describe themselves.

[Ms. Toad]

110. And how do you know that?

The alerter identified him/herself by DU handle. I have no idea what race stone space is. I have not seen any posts identifying who the jurors are. Even if they post, you don't know how they voted. Beyond that, how would you know their race, even if you did know how a juror by a particular DU name voted.

You may find the term acceptable - but I know plenty of latinos who find it offensive.

[whathehell]

141. How did you know that? Did he or she describe themself that way?

I doubt there's a post here in which you haven't used the word "white" or "brown"

or some other racial signifier -- You are obsessed with race, yet continue

continue to call out others as "racists" and "bigots".

[anotojefiremnesuka]

146. Truthful firsthand accounts that go against some peoples preconceived notions seem to get hidden

here. At least that is what I have observed.

Basically people don’t want the truth so they take it out on the messenger.

[hatrack]

17. M'kay, bye

.

[lovemydog]

19. I wish you peace and happiness.

Best of luck to you in the future. I agree with you wholeheartedly that a lot of posters here too often try defining to others what is and isn't 'acceptable' - screw that. I agree that it's often racist, and then when pointed out rather than learning anything some of those same posters get way too defensive and obnoxious, instead of just listening and understanding that someone is coming from completely different set of experiences. I think it's a genuine problem here at DU and a genuine challenge within the democratic party, going forward.

[Guaguacoa]

26. Thank You, seriously I love going to the us.

The wife lived in the u , she only lived in arkansas, and was expecting all kinds of racism from what she sees and reads. She will flat out tell you she had no problems except from other latinos. She worked at butterball with people of all races.

I agree, this is a genuine challenge in the democratic party and I hope they get past it. There is no better time than now.

Thanks again.

[lovemydog]

33. You're welcome, & I hear you.

I think too often, a lot of people are friendlier in person than they are on the internet. That's a strange phenomenon, lol. Much agreed, there is no better time than now to get past it! All the best to you and your family.

[Guaguacoa]

113. Thank you, adios.nt

[Jamaal510]

124. Anonymity will do that to a person and make them less friendly.

I think too often, a lot of people are friendlier in person than they are on the internet. That's a strange phenomenon, lol.

People show their true faces when behind a "mask", ironically enough.

[lovemydog]

140. Yeah, the anonymity.

Agree that people show their true faces. Sometimes it reminds me of Jimmy Kimmel's mean tweets. With less humor.

[Agnosticsherbet]

23. hat do you think of January 2014 Election Overhaul signed byPresident Enrique Peña Nieto?

Will it really lead to a better government or will it just keep the same old politicians in power?

[Guaguacoa]

30. Pena nieto just had someone close to him appointed to supreme court that has never been a judge.

He was governor here in mexico state before he became president and all he is concerned with is lining his and his friends pockets. Pri is corrupt. My brother in law's brother, their family lives in this same pueblo, was a driver for pena nieto's family when he was governor. He was uneducated, just his family knew the right people. While in that position he bought his brother (my brother in law) a new house, his parents a new house, he built 3 houses in this pueblo (2 unoccupied and worth 3 million pesos each), 2 lines of delivery trucks, he flew his mother and father to eat in another state, he still has a lot of money.

The point is that pena nieto is corrupt and pri bought and strongarmed the election. The unions get kickbacks and bused in people to force votes. Prices of eggs, just an example, were 14 pesos a kilo. A couple of days ago they were up to 32 pesos and they just went up to 40. Prices are skyrocketing and so is crime. The bodega where we go not far was held up at 12 noon a month ago and a man shot. they escaped in a taxi cab with no worries as the police do not come and only the criminals have guns. Close to here some people opened a small outdoors cafe and it was pretty nice. Three guys with guns went in, beat up them and the customers and told them to close. They did. People do not want competition, it's tat bad.

Sorry to rant, but pena nieto is not well liked at all by most people in mexico. With him having close ties to televisan and only 2 stations here people in the us probably can't t ell.

[Baitball Blogger]

48. Panama also had a string of restaurant robberies.

Though it was never as bad as what is happening in Mexico. The restaurant owners resolved it by hiring armed guards.

[Guaguacoa]

77. Really? The problem is that armed guards sometimes help the bad guys.

I know a guy at a carnitas restaurant in toluca that had to move his whole family to texas because of kidnapping attempts. It's a small place. I also know a guy that owns a wine distributing business and he had to know the same. A friend of mine is his driver and he has been through about 10 kidnapping attempts, broad daylight in toluca. My cousin's wife is from panama, she's in her home town david right now.

[Baitball Blogger]

120. Major differences between the two countries.

The differences are reflected in my parents' background. My father's father was Mexican, but had to leave hastily when he was a young man. The opposition group came looking for him with guns blazing. It was a different time back then and it was easier to get the necessary documents to migrate north. My father and his sisters were born in the U.S. But it really wasn't until my father married my mother and moved to Panama that he really had a chance to use his Latino roots to reach his full potential.

Panama was a very settled country in the time I was growing up, with a solid traditional system of school, church and social responsibility. Those that had money did what they could to help out the others-especially in the Interior, where my mother was from. Her family ran the gamut of teachers, politicians, businessmen and even a poet or two. Great role models.

The city was a little more chaotic, but, nevertheless, people came together for carnival time, no matter what was going on. But I couldn't tell you anything about what it's like today. My friends tell me it's overcrowded.

I may have driven through David once, but we didn't stay long enough to remember much about it.

I feel for you. If there is anyone in Mexico who has an answer to fix the problems, it's apparent that they first thing they should get is protection.

[HuckleB]

31. You haven't even touched on the worst parts of this forum.

If you go away, you won't help people. If you stay, you will!

Please stay.

[Skittles]

36. gee, you lasted a grand total of 237 posts

ever heard of putting bigots on Ignore?

[Guaguacoa]

51. I have several on ignore, it's hard to ignore when you get banned from posting in threads because

of the bigots though.

[Guaguacoa]

60. I am banned from posting in that thread. I can no longer post in it because a white guy was

offended by the word I, and others in the us without papers, referred to us.

[Guaguacoa]

73. Someone posted a link, try looking for it.nt

[NRaleighLiberal]

78. for someone not that invested, you seem awfully busy here.

[Guaguacoa]

106. Justified block? Sorry, you don't get to decide how we call ourselves and we call ourselves by the

I name. You are making the point of white guys telling brown people how to speak and act.

[Guaguacoa]

82. He's one of those that hate us thinking for ourselves, the ones I referred to.nt

[NRaleighLiberal]

83. Perhaps...and perhaps here for other reasons.

[Guaguacoa]

100. What class am I mocking? My own? Latinos? nt

[still_one]

98. Then don't read them if it upsets you

[Guaguacoa]

102. Reading them is not the problem, them getting me blocked from posting on threads is.nt

[Baitball Blogger]

45. Quedata, porque nada cambiara si te vas.

[Hekate]

50. Goodbye Cruel World. Don't forget to insult everyone on the way out. nt

[Guaguacoa]

74. Thats what I am going for, at least until I get banned.nt

[still_one]

103. If that is what you are trying to do, then maybe DU is not for you if you have issues with

disagreeing with different opinions that don't conform to you opinions

DU would be quite boring if everyone agreed with everyone. The whole point is to exchange different ideas and views. Some you agree, some you won't

[Guaguacoa]

107. I'm not talking about disagreeing opinions, I'm talking about

getting me blocked on threads. That's the problem with some here, some white people, they don't like brown people thinking for themselves.

[Hekate]

118. Your account is now Flagged for Review, so it won't be long

Hasta la

[bananas]

123. Why was it Flagged for Review? nt

[Hekate]

125. Maybe

Maybe all the hostile posts in this very thread, lashing out at people for being "white" when, really, how is anybody to know if you are even a dog on the internet (as the old cartoon has it). He challenged the Admins to ban him in the post I replied to, so I checked his Profile to see what it said. At his Profile it says his account is Flagged for Review. Next stop: Pizza.

[Mojorabbit]

127. I'd like to know also. I have seen worse on this board over the years

The poster is upset. He is making it clear why he is upset.

[Kali]

129. 2 hidden posts in a short period of time

admins will likely lift it in the morning or next week.

[MADem]

139. You don't have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. nt

[Rex]

62. Carnac the Magnificent predicts

a hidden post on DU?!

[Guaguacoa]

109. Banned from posting in the thread because I didn't "stay in the cabbage patch".nt

[Rex]

117. Tough it out there are thousands of people that post here and lots of groups.

Oh trust me, you would not believe the history of this forum. You will always offend someone on this forum. I got into a argument with someone I'd known for years over Israels militant RWing party being a bunch of assholes like the GOP and got called a Nazi. However that was just one person out of thousands, ho hum.

And that's mild. Stick it out here, so many good people and really just a handful to ignore. You will see.

[still_one]

79. This is an progressive forum where people express there views. A white person's view of what racism

Is, is just as valid as an African American or Hispanic, or any other demographic group

I think it is quite arrogant that you resent a person giving their opinion what is or isn't racist, and only YOUR view of is racist should be valid

This is a forum an people just express their opinions. You either agree of not with those opinions. No one tells YOU what you should accept here, unless of course you express anti-Democratic party views, personal attacks, and any form of racism, etc, which violate the TOS

Perhaps it is best that you leave the forum for a while, since it's purpose is an exchange of ideas, and no one forces anyone to accept a particular view.

[Guaguacoa]

108. OK, then explain to me why it's ok for the white guy to get the brown guy

banned from posting on a thread because he has a different idea of racism. The problem has nothing to do with expressing opinions, it has to do with some white people trying to shut us down when we do not think exactly like them.

[still_one]

115. What you should do is edit the OP and explain what you meant by shutting you views down, because

It wasn't clear to me. What happened to you was they locked you from commenting on a thread, and now I understand.

[Hoyt]

101. What a load of crud. Were you looking for Stormfront?

[Jamastiene]

93. I never even met you, but I can understand

how it can be hard for any minority on DU. Do what you need to do. Peace.

[7wo7rees]

99. see you, bye.

So sorry for how you feel towards DU.

Now go find yourself.

While you are at it, lose DU.

If you decide to leave well then would you please with some degree of grace and peace.

You don't like us, now go. Peace.

[Electric Monk]

119. Hello, I must be going!

[bravenak]

122. I know exactly what you mean.

[AtomicKitten]

126. GBCW

[Isoldeblue]

131. I have only one question

If you were eligible to vote, did you vote in this last election, 2014? Where were those that didn't vote? This last near immigration bill and government shut-down was created by those who didn't come out to vote. So not only did you lose out on the needed immigration bill, so did the rest of the country in other areas of problems facing us.

I can't seem to not have a problem with the air of entitlement. I'm sorry. Especially when immigrants want the same rights, but don't do their civic duty to ensure they get them. The rethugs won because of this.

[Art_from_Ark]

134. Since he admitted he did not have the proper papers to stay in the US,

then that should have rendered him unqualified to vote.

[Isoldeblue]

138. I see that I missed that

My views remain the same though about all voters, who don't vote.

[MADem]

132. You have NO right to tell ME what I should find acceptable.

Your conduct in that thread about the woman singing the racist songs suggests to me that you really need to understand that the door swings both ways. You basically told ME that I had no right to be offended by a white woman singing the N word. Here's your post, in all its glory, for everyone to read:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1037792

You're sure telling us all how we ought to feel in that post. In fact, you're telling everyone in that thread that YOUR opinion is the only one that counts.

So yeah, maybe you should check yourself --because you didn't "not think of telling" me--YOU DID TELL ME.

So maybe you are in the wrong place if those are your views--that's your call, enjoy the trip. GBCW!!!!!!

[Orsino]

157. Ah. Each of us seems to have his own blind spots.

Race certainly seems to be a topic important to the OP, who talks around the n-word and the i-word.

I try to welcome diversity of opinion, but I'm getting a whiff of something unsavory.

[Kali]

135. Hasta luego.

I know the use of the term "illegal" is common, hell I can remember when wetback was not considered that offensive. And you are well within your bounds to use whatever terminology you want, but the fact is MANY people use that term in a racist and derogatory manner. I suspect the alert and subsequent hide was less about a white guy telling a Mexican what is racist than a progressive being justifiably offended by a term that is known to be used as a put down.

You don't owe anybody here anything but you might give that some thought. The line between condescending (white) privilege and actual good intentioned misunderstanding can be vague. I don't know the motives of the person who alerted on you, nor of the jury members who voted, but I do know it was just one thread and many of us have had a heck of a lot more than a couple of hidden posts. Most get over the frustration and continue on.

Buena suerte.

[cyberswede]

152. Great response

[stone space]

136. Bye!

Are you kidding?

Mail Message

I am mexican, I have lived in the us illegally and we refer to ourselves as illegales or pollos. I'm sick of pathetic white assholes telling ME what is racist about me and my people so fuck you. People like you are the reason 36% of latinos voted conservative and I have wanted to change that, but people like you are making it very hard. Again, fuck you pathetic white boy whiner.

[dballance]

142. Good Bye! It is the USA BTW, not the us.

You won't be missed given what I've seen of your posts.

[DeSwiss]

144. ....

[JustAnotherGen]

147. And Still Name Removed

Came after you. *sigh*

Remember this - they came after you as a dodge, deflect, defer because you ripped the mask off.

[Capt. Obvious]

149. My god some of the responses in this thread are ugly

[Iggo]

151. Mm-Hmm.

You don't care about Dems and Reps anymore because someone was mean to you on an Internet message board?

Well okay then.

[davidsilver]

153. Adios my friend and safe travels!

[demwing]

154. When you sing a swan song

drop the mic and leave the room.

Doesn't matter what color your skin is, everything you say after the "final" goodbye is just trolling for attention,

Have fun with that...

[Bluenorthwest]

155. Lo siento por tu experiencia maliciosos aquí .

Siempre es mejor pensar lo mejor, nunca lo peor de los demás. De esta manera cuando hay injusticias reales y efectivas para abordar , una forma limpia y justa puede hacerles frente.
Sorry, my Spanish sucks while your English is colloquial, casually spoken and very excellent indeed.

[GOLGO 13]

156. Website forums are for fun y'know.

No wait. I changed my mind. Bye.

[LWolf]

159. Okay.

I don't really know what you're referring to here; I don't keep up with every conversation or topic. I don't really need to know. DU is a censored site, nominally "liberal," but "liberal" is broadly defined. There are always going to be people to disagree with.

[LeftishBrit]

161. Locking; it is the consensus of the Hosts that this is against the State of Purpose for the forum

as it involves complaints about DU-ers ('whining about DU') rather than just debate about ideas.