Sat Mar 14, 2015, 09:57 AM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
I am watching Bernie Sanders on CNN
What a great guy. He would be a great Secretary of Labor in the upcoming Clinton administration.
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DemocratSinceBirth | Mar 2015 | OP |
still_one | Mar 2015 | #1 | |
fadedrose | Mar 2015 | #3 | |
still_one | Mar 2015 | #6 | |
jwirr | Mar 2015 | #16 | |
still_one | Mar 2015 | #17 | |
cali | Mar 2015 | #32 | |
jwirr | Mar 2015 | #55 | |
MoonchildCA | Mar 2015 | #33 | |
ladjf | Mar 2015 | #22 | |
MissDeeds | Mar 2015 | #31 | |
ladjf | Mar 2015 | #50 | |
MissDeeds | Mar 2015 | #56 | |
valerief | Mar 2015 | #14 | |
olegramps | Mar 2015 | #24 | |
I hate liars | Mar 2015 | #34 | |
Comrade Grumpy | Mar 2015 | #39 | |
stevenleser | Mar 2015 | #41 | |
Rex | Mar 2015 | #48 | |
olegramps | Mar 2015 | #59 | |
fadedrose | Mar 2015 | #2 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Mar 2015 | #4 | |
onecaliberal | Mar 2015 | #5 | |
fadedrose | Mar 2015 | #7 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Mar 2015 | #8 | |
NorthCarolina | Mar 2015 | #11 | |
JDPriestly | Mar 2015 | #44 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Mar 2015 | #46 | |
JDPriestly | Mar 2015 | #49 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Mar 2015 | #51 | |
think | Mar 2015 | #9 | |
kacekwl | Mar 2015 | #23 | |
onecaliberal | Mar 2015 | #28 | |
coffeenap | Mar 2015 | #10 | |
JDPriestly | Mar 2015 | #45 | |
coffeenap | Mar 2015 | #57 | |
mountain grammy | Mar 2015 | #12 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Mar 2015 | #40 | |
Bobbie Jo | Mar 2015 | #13 | |
jwirr | Mar 2015 | #18 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Mar 2015 | #21 | |
riderinthestorm | Mar 2015 | #19 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Mar 2015 | #20 | |
hrmjustin | Mar 2015 | #25 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Mar 2015 | #26 | |
hrmjustin | Mar 2015 | #27 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Mar 2015 | #30 | |
kacekwl | Mar 2015 | #58 | |
aikoaiko | Mar 2015 | #15 | |
JDPriestly | Mar 2015 | #47 | |
aikoaiko | Mar 2015 | #54 | |
Efilroft Sul | Mar 2015 | #29 | |
EEO | Mar 2015 | #35 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Mar 2015 | #36 | |
JDPriestly | Mar 2015 | #37 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Mar 2015 | #38 | |
Ilsa | Mar 2015 | #43 | |
Ilsa | Mar 2015 | #42 | |
Rex | Mar 2015 | #53 | |
99Forever | Mar 2015 | #52 |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 10:00 AM
still_one (87,961 posts)
1. No, Bernie needs to stay in the Senate. Of course he would make a great
President, but that won't happen
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Response to still_one (Reply #1)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 10:04 AM
fadedrose (10,044 posts)
3. If a Dem wins, Bernie would be a great choice for a cabinet post
or head of some agency.... if he loses, he should not be wasted.
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Response to fadedrose (Reply #3)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 10:07 AM
still_one (87,961 posts)
6. Ok, if he loses, but I would hope that would not happen. He has done very well
by his state, and helped keep the Senate honest
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Response to fadedrose (Reply #3)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 10:32 AM
jwirr (39,215 posts)
16. And who is going to take his place in the Senate. If a Democrat wins the WH in 2016 they can find
others who are good progressives and let Bernie and Elizabeth work on the Senate. Both of them as Senators can still advise the President. The Congress is broken and if we take these two out it will be even more broken.
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Response to jwirr (Reply #16)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 10:33 AM
still_one (87,961 posts)
17. we are on the same page
Response to jwirr (Reply #16)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 12:19 PM
cali (114,904 posts)
32. the bench of progressives and liberals in Vermont is deep
starting with our rep Peter Welch. I have no doubt that Vermonters will elect good replacements for Bernie and Pat.
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Response to cali (Reply #32)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 02:30 PM
jwirr (39,215 posts)
55. That is good to know.
Response to jwirr (Reply #16)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 12:29 PM
MoonchildCA (1,297 posts)
33. Yes.
I want them affecting law and having national platforms with independent thoughts and opinions. Of course they'd both be excellent heads of departments, but their talents are of much better use in the senate.
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Response to fadedrose (Reply #3)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 11:27 AM
ladjf (17,320 posts)
22. He won't get the cabinet post either. Problem?
He's too smart and honest which somehow seems to disqualify politicians from
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Response to ladjf (Reply #22)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 12:19 PM
MissDeeds (7,499 posts)
31. +1000
Sad isn't it?
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Response to MissDeeds (Reply #31)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 01:25 PM
ladjf (17,320 posts)
50. Did you see the movie Amadeus?
Mozart's boss did everything possible to keep Mozart for being appreciated for the genius he was.
In Mozart's case, he overcame the obstacles. I think the Sen. Sanders is the best qualified politician in America. And, he's not too old for the job of President. |
Response to ladjf (Reply #50)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 03:38 PM
MissDeeds (7,499 posts)
56. Amadeus is one of my favorite movies
And I agree, Bernie Sanders is eminently qualified to be president. He is just what this country needs. I can think of no finer person to hold the office. Not one.
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Response to still_one (Reply #1)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 10:26 AM
valerief (53,235 posts)
14. I hate to lose him in the Senate. We need a Senate full of Bernies.
But he'd be a great president, which is exactly why the PTB will never permit it.
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Response to still_one (Reply #1)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 11:47 AM
olegramps (8,200 posts)
24. He one of the last Democrats who actually give a damn about the working class.
I glad to see that the unions are going withhold their support for any candidate until they take a firm stand to protect workers. The only time most of the candidates show up is to get a handout and then disappear when their support is needed. I see that Obama has finally come out about supporting labor; in my estimation it is too damn little, too damn late. Where was he when labor was under attack in Wisconsin?
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Response to olegramps (Reply #24)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 12:33 PM
I hate liars (165 posts)
34. Bernie's an Independent, not a Democrat
But it's an easy distinction to miss, since he caucuses with the D's.
I wish we had a lot more Democrats with the honesty, ethics, intelligence, and bravery that Bernie possesses. |
Response to I hate liars (Reply #34)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 12:43 PM
Comrade Grumpy (13,184 posts)
39. Kinda says something about the Democrats, don't it?
If our shining star isn't even a member of the party. We have to go to a left independent to find what we think is a real Democrat anymore.
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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #39)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 12:54 PM
stevenleser (32,886 posts)
41. No. It says something about the electorate. Progressives run campaigns all the time. They just dont
win many primaries or elections.
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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #39)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 01:23 PM
Rex (65,616 posts)
48. That's it right there, thanks for pointing it out. nt
nt
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Response to I hate liars (Reply #34)
Tue Mar 17, 2015, 09:29 AM
olegramps (8,200 posts)
59. I believe he embodies what a Democrat should stand for.
Thanks, I realize that he is technically an Independent, but votes with the Democrats on nearly every measure. I could only hope that more Democrats were Sanders Independents.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 10:02 AM
fadedrose (10,044 posts)
2. Sometimes they repeat
some of Smrkonish (sp) during the day. I saw almost all of it. I wish he had a chance .... if enthusiasm for the job is a factor in winning, he's in.
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Response to fadedrose (Reply #2)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 10:04 AM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
4. He is easily the most authentic person in the Senate./NT
Response to fadedrose (Reply #2)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 10:04 AM
onecaliberal (29,957 posts)
5. It's kind of sickening that the one person who most aligns with most
Liberals is thought to be unelectable.
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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #5)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 10:08 AM
fadedrose (10,044 posts)
7. Am so broke, but I think I'll send him
a small amount. I haven't contributed to anyone since Obama got in.
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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #5)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 10:10 AM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
8. I believe our candidate can talk about the hollowed out middle class in a way that looks main stream
I believe our candidate can talk about the hollowed out middle class in a way that looks main stream, because it is.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #8)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 10:20 AM
NorthCarolina (11,197 posts)
11. The problem is
Talk is cheap....and if the candidate is a Third-Way Dem like Clinton that is exactly what it will be...just "Talk".
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #8)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 01:07 PM
JDPriestly (57,936 posts)
44. Again, one word: GREENSPAN.
I want the Clintons to explain why in the world Bill Clinton reappointed an Ayn Rand disciple like GREENSPAN to the Fed.
There is no excuse for a Democrat appointing a person who literally sat in Ayn Rand's salon to the Fed. No excuse. I do not trust either of the Clintons. " Democratic president Bill Clinton reappointed Greenspan, and consulted him on economic matters. Greenspan lent support to Clinton's 1993 deficit reduction program.[28] Greenspan, while still fundamentally monetarist in orientation, had eclectic views on the economy, and his monetary policy decisions largely followed standard Taylor rule prescriptions (see Taylor 1993 and 1999). In 2000, Greenspan raised interest rates several times; these actions were believed by many to have caused the bursting of the dot-com bubble. According to Nobel laureate Paul Krugman, however, "he didn't raise interest rates to curb the market's enthusiasm; he didn't even seek to impose margin requirements on stock market investors. Instead, he waited until the bubble burst, as it did in 2000, then tried to clean up the mess afterward".[29] E. Ray Canterbery agrees with Krugman's criticism.[30]" . . . . In the early 1950s, Greenspan began an association with novelist and philosopher Ayn Rand.[45] Greenspan was introduced to Rand by his first wife, Joan Mitchell. Rand nicknamed Greenspan "the undertaker" because of his penchant for dark clothing and reserved demeanor. Although Greenspan was initially a logical positivist,[53] he was converted to Rand's philosophy of Objectivism by her associate Nathaniel Branden. He became one of the members of Rand's inner circle, the Ayn Rand Collective, who read Atlas Shrugged while it was being written. During the 1950s and 1960s Greenspan was a proponent of Objectivism, writing articles for Objectivist newsletters and contributing several essays for Rand's 1966 book Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal including an essay supporting the gold standard.[54][55] Rand stood beside him at his 1974 swearing-in as Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers. Greenspan and Rand remained friends until her death in 1982.[45] He has come under criticism from Harry Binswanger,[56] who believes his actions while at work for the Federal Reserve and his publicly expressed opinions on other issues show abandonment of Objectivist and free market principles. When questioned in relation to this, however, he has said that in a democratic society individuals have to make compromises with each other over conflicting ideas of how money should be handled. He said he himself had to make such compromises, because he believes that "we did extremely well" without a central bank and with a gold standard.[57] In a congressional hearing on October 23, 2008, Greenspan admitted that his free-market ideology shunning certain regulations was flawed.[58] When asked about free markets and Rand's ideas, however, Greenspan clarified his stance on laissez faire capitalism and asserted that in a democratic society there could be no better alternative. He stated that the errors that were made stemmed not from the principle, but from the application of competitive markets in "assuming what the nature of risks would be".[59] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Greenspan Was Clinton unaware of Greenspan's economic philosophy and history? Or did he agree with Greenspan's dislike of regulation of the markets? Because we cannot afford another Greenspan or another attempt at laissez faire markets. We need fair rules for everyone in our economy. It is still dog-eat-dog out there. And Greenspan supported the privatization of Social Security, Medicare and other similar government programs. I recommend reading the Wikipedia page on Greenspan, remembering that Clinton reappointed him to the Fed, a top spot in our economy, and the rest is history. No more Greenspans. No more Clintons. |
Response to JDPriestly (Reply #44)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 01:20 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
46. President Obama reappointed Ben Bernanke./NT
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #46)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 01:24 PM
JDPriestly (57,936 posts)
49. Almost as bad. But Greenspan's reappointment really takes the cake.
Greenspan vocally supported privatizing Social Security and other such programs, and Greenspan was know to have been very close to Ayn Rand. Greenspan was just about the worst appointment for the economy that anyone could have made. Ben Bernanke had studied the crash of 1929. At least he had recognized the vulnerability of capitalism to reckless management of money. Greenspan believed in laissez-faire economics. It doesn't work. It never has. And Clinton reappointed him to manage our economy.
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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #49)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 01:26 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
51. Milton Friedman studied the Crash too... I wouldn't have let him anywhere near the Fed./NT
Response to onecaliberal (Reply #5)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 11:30 AM
kacekwl (6,810 posts)
23. Sicking indeed
Last edited Sun Mar 15, 2015, 09:59 AM - Edit history (1) Instead of dismissing Sanders we should be supporting him and his positions . 2016 is along way off, plenty of time to inform the masses about someone who can actually help them.
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Response to kacekwl (Reply #23)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 12:09 PM
onecaliberal (29,957 posts)
28. Agree. I give him money monthly. His views are closer to mine than anyone else.
I will vote for the dem candidate but it boggles my mind that we fail to support the guy who wants to do everything we want.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 10:19 AM
coffeenap (3,140 posts)
10. What if...
he was appointed to the Supreme Court? Imagine what a person with his values could do there....
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Response to coffeenap (Reply #10)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 01:19 PM
JDPriestly (57,936 posts)
45. What if he was in the White House?
Imagine what a person with Sanders' values could do there?
Who doesn't want Sanders in the White House? The 1%. That's who. Sanders, regardless of his labels, is a man of integrity. He is balanced in his views. Listen to him, and you recognize that. Sanders does not mess with dirt-throwing and name-calling. He has good ideas. He is a solid man. The world would trust him. So would Americans. I believe he would listen to the American people. And Sanders would not, as Bill Clinton did, reappoint Greenspan to the Fed. That was a colossal mistake. Repealing Glass-Steagall was also a colossal mistake. Millions and millions of ordinary Americans paid for those mistakes. And then, at the end of the Clinton presidency, we discovered that Clinton, instead of being a bridge to the 21st century as promised, was a bridge backward to the 19th century and a George W. Bush neanderthal-era presidency. Really! Had Clinton put excellency, courage and focus on helping the American people first during his presidency, we would have had a strong Democratic president in 2000-2001. I know it was the fault of chicanery in Florida, but the margin would have been so great in Florida that we would have had a Democrat. We need a Democratic candidate with the kind of moral courage that stands up to any scrutiny and the focus on helping the American people that inspires trust. We don't need any more corporate figureheads., Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders will be the best candidates. At least so far they are the best to have appeared on the political scene. |
Response to JDPriestly (Reply #45)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 11:13 PM
coffeenap (3,140 posts)
57. Indeed! nt
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 10:22 AM
mountain grammy (25,499 posts)
12. I hope every Bernie Sanders supporter on DU has contributed
whatever they can. I don't think he'll be our candidate, but i want his voice to be loud and strong to whoever is and I'm more than willing to chip in a few bucks for that effort.
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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #12)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 12:46 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
40. I don't have much money but the last three Democrats I contributed to were
Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Tammy Duckworth.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 10:26 AM
Bobbie Jo (14,341 posts)
13. Believe it or not...
At least this "alerter" will have to cool their heels for a day.
![]() AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service On Sat Mar 14, 2015, 07:13 AM an alert was sent on the following post: I am watching Bernie Sanders on CNN http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026363548 REASON FOR ALERT This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. ALERTER'S COMMENTS Post is nothing but a troll post. It is disruptive. You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Mar 14, 2015, 07:22 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT. Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE Explanation: No explanation given Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE Explanation: Troll does not equal "someone who disagrees with you". Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE Explanation: sigh one of the worst alerts I've seen on DU Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE Explanation: Seriously? Actually, I'm going to alert on this alert when this bit of stalking is over. This is pathetic. Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE Explanation: I can't believe this was alerted on. Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE Explanation: The troll appears to be the alerter. Leave it. Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE Explanation: There is no reason to hide this post. Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future. |
Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #13)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 10:36 AM
jwirr (39,215 posts)
18. I would like to thank this jury. Good work.
Response to jwirr (Reply #18)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 11:04 AM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
21. I learned that in Bernie's first five elections he never got >6% of the vote
He is a walking advertisement for the power of persistence.
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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #13)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 10:39 AM
riderinthestorm (23,272 posts)
19. I was #5 on that jury. The alert smelled stalker-ish to me.
Watch your back DSB!
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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #13)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 10:41 AM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
20. It is obvious some are targeting me.
Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #13)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 11:51 AM
hrmjustin (71,265 posts)
25. Damn! Good jury and horrible alert.
Alert stalking does exist because there is absolutely no reason to do this.
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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #25)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 11:58 AM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
26. Very Stalinist if you ask me./NT
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #26)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 12:06 PM
hrmjustin (71,265 posts)
27. Clearly you are being targeted.
My advice is continue as before but don't let anyone get you into a name calling match. They will bait you.
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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #27)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 12:11 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
30. First they ignore you...
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #30)
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 10:04 AM
kacekwl (6,810 posts)
58. Perfect.
Bernie in in the laughing stage now. Time to move to the fighting stage where the opposition is afraid.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 10:29 AM
aikoaiko (33,521 posts)
15. I like Sec of Labor for Bernie
Response to aikoaiko (Reply #15)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 01:21 PM
JDPriestly (57,936 posts)
47. Wouldn't president be better?
If you think Sec of Labor would be better, please explain why. I would like to know why people think that so if you do, please explain.
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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #47)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 01:36 PM
aikoaiko (33,521 posts)
54. He's ready for that more narrow leadership role.
I don't have a lot of confidence in a sanders presidency. There is still time to impress me of course, but I don't see him winning the primaries or general election |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 12:09 PM
Efilroft Sul (3,442 posts)
29. Picking Democratic or Independent senators for a Democratic cabinet leads to…
…short-term gains and long-term losses.
We need every Democrat and Independent as possible in the Senate. It's stupid to poach Senators and risk our numbers in that chamber for cabinet appointments. |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 12:34 PM
EEO (1,620 posts)
35. It's going to be hilarious if and when Hillary is taken out by a black horse.
The upcoming Clinton Administration? A little presumptuous, don't you think?
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Response to EEO (Reply #35)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 12:36 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
36. I peered into the future./NT
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 12:39 PM
JDPriestly (57,936 posts)
37. Bernie Sanders is the clean, straightforwqrd, honest kind of guy we need in the White House.
Secretary of Labor? No way. He needs to be running the show. He or Elizabeth Warren. We need someone who will not appoint a Rahm Emmanuel or a Larry Summers or a Greenspan or a Holder in the White House.
We need someone who will make honest, trustworthy appointments. Clinton re-appointed Alan Greenspan. Remember him? He believed in "free" markets, meaning allowing those with the most money or the most ability to borrow money to go wild in our economy with no input or restraint of any importance from the rest of us. He was supposed to be watching our economy as the bonfires that led to the 2008 house-a-fire were set. And he is the guy that BILL CLINTON appointed to the Fed. Neither Bernie Sanders nor Elizabeth Warren would have made such a colossal mistake. No to Hillary Clinton. No more Greenspans. No thank you. |
Response to JDPriestly (Reply #37)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 12:41 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
38. You should encourage Ms. Warren and Mr. Sanders to get in the race./NT
Response to JDPriestly (Reply #37)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 12:57 PM
Ilsa (61,226 posts)
43. I posted before seeing your reply.
I agree 100%. Spot-on reply. And we need more Congresspersons like him.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 12:55 PM
Ilsa (61,226 posts)
42. I think he'd make a great president. nt
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Response to Ilsa (Reply #42)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 01:27 PM
Rex (65,616 posts)
53. He will make a great president! The question is will HRC diehard supporters vote for him
if he is the candidate? I would hope so, but not to sure. It's hard to believe 100,000 dems voted for Bush in Florida in 2000, but obviously they did.
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)
Sat Mar 14, 2015, 01:27 PM
99Forever (14,524 posts)
52. He'll be busy being President of the USA.
Sorry to throw that monkey wrench in your plans for our future. Maybe he can find a spot for Hillary tho.
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