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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat do Netanyahu's friends in Congress think of his now opposing a Palestinian State?
After hailing him as their go to guy on security issues in the Middle East, Netanyahu is now two for two in opting for permanent wars. Are Congressional Republicans and their Democratic Israel hawk partners prepared now to abandon a two state solution for Palestine and Israel, once again following Netanyahu's lead? What do Boehner, McConnell McCain, Cruz, Paul, Rubio, Menendez and Schumer have to say now? If a path to official statehood for Palestine is blocked, is there anyone who doubts that endless war and terrorism in that region would follow? Does the U.S. Congress still believe that Netanyahu better represents U.S. Security interests than the American President? It's not enough that Netanyhu was itching for one armed conflict, now he is courting two.
No one who actually has followed the multi-national negotiations about Iran's nuclear program seriously believe that the U.S. can back away from a pending negotiated settlement, follow that up with imposing harsher economic sanctions, and have the international community (including Russia and China) continue to honor ANY economic sanctions against Iran. It's a strategy that REMOVES whatever incentives there are for Iran NOT to develop nuclear weapons. To the contrary, it gives them all the more incentive to do exactly that because they will start bracing for inevitable war.
All the experts say that bombing can not stop Iran's nuclear program, just set it back a couple of years. Iran is an advanced technological state with the full capacity to reconstruct their nuclear program, if we bomb it, in sites impervious to American bombs. Why wouldn't they? Virtually the entire Iranian population will be furious at the West if we bomb them, they will want revenge. And there is nothing like actually having nukes to deter any aggressor from continually attacking you.
So what of it, all you American political leaders - Republicans included, who have at the very least given previous lip service to a two state solution, is Bibi still your guy? Or are you too chicken shit to speak up about America's own foreign policy until after Israel forms its next government?
democrank
(11,094 posts)My guess is that many of Netanyahu`s ardent supporters in Congress probably agree with him on no Palestinian State.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)...in particular we need to hear from the dozen or so Democratic Senators who Sen. Corker is courting to sign onto a bill to pass legislation giving Congress the ability to kill an Iranian deal a veto proof super majority. He is VERY close to achieving just that.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)the most important thing, and it can't risk an unstable ally of Iran on its doorstep while Iran is trying to get a nuclear bomb, etc etc etc. They'll say no there can't be a Palestinian state, and that it's the fault of the Palestinians and Iran.
still_one
(92,189 posts)Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)With Republican majorities in Congress now it doesn't take a majority of Democrats voting with Republicans to give them veto proof majorities. And of course the issue is rarely framed by Democratic Israel Hawks as being pro Likud, or Pro Labor; it is always framed as being pro Israel, above partisan politics in either country. The question remains, who among them still strongly supports a two state solution as American policy, and what is their reaction to Netanyahu's position?
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Netanyahu's comments are news today. Now.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)or seriously believed that Mr. Netanyahu supported it either
Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)Spazito
(50,331 posts)"Netanyahu announced his support for Palestine in a landmark 2009 address and reiterated his commitment to Congress just two years later.
[Palestinians] should enjoy a national life of dignity as a free, viable and independent people living in their own state, he told a joint session. They should enjoy a prosperous economy, where their creativity and initiative can flourish.
At the time, Republican leaders eagerly echoed Netanyahus remarks and praised his commitment to peace.
Israel has demonstrated time and again it seeks nothing more than peace
a peace agreed to by the two states and only the two states, House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) told a Jewish group in Cincinnati that year. Like every prime minister before him, Prime Minister Netanyahu knows peace will require compromise and he accepts that. He welcomes that."
http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/03/16/3634339/netanyahus-decision-back-away-two-state-solution-cause-big-problem-republicans/
No comment from Boehner yet, surprise, surprise.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)Spazito
(50,331 posts)I have no doubt silence will ensue until the result of the Israeli election is clear. Whether Netanyahu's party is part of the coalition forming the next government or not, it certainly should be a question posed by the mainstream media.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)foreign policy. This is the most significant shift in policy in decades. As such, I am not surprised that there is a huge amount of push back - and part of that is coming from AIPAC and Netanyahu.
I thought Kerry was excellent on Face the Nation - especially in making the point that this was not just the US, but 5 other nations. I think his point that it will not be reversed by a future President - if Iran is abiding by it - was also 100% on target and the reason that Cotton et al are wrong. They are wrong because although a future President can - of course - reverse the decision, to get back where Iran is now would require also getting the international community to reimpose its sanctions. As it is, if it fails ONLY because of the US, it is likely that the international sanctions break down anyway. (Some one needs to ask Cotton how much trade the US actually had with Iran before the sanctions)
If the P5 +1 get an agreement, it has the chance to be a HUGE game changer. It could lead to a major tamping down of Shiite/Sunni hostilities - that though the Republicans speak of them going back hundreds of years, they were much quieter until we invaded Iraq.
As to Netanyahu, he has not yet been asked to form a government. Supposedly President Rivlin prefers a national unity government with both his party and Herzog's included, but Netanyahu is already working on one with the right wing Bennett. It could still end up as a moderate Herzog led government.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)I just was checking in on my way between tasks so I can't really comment now other than saying there's much to consider here. The opening to Iran is a big game move and you point out good reasons why it may not be easily reversed if it goes through...
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)I have been following the negotiations in the press for years, Obama is making
history..if it were not for all the bogus nonsense used to derail a deal it could
have taken place some time ago.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)There was a comment from one of the other ministers that there had been more accomplished in the last year than in the prior 10 years. What is clear from the various Kerry comments is that there was a lot of very hard work done on many issues. It is interesting that the last several meetings have pulled in the Secretary of Energy - a nuclear physicist. (When Chu left this had to be intentional to select him - partly for this reason.)
Now - they are attempting to drive Iran away from a deal. If that fails, I bet they try something like the Corker legislation -- BUT if there is a deal, Kerry and Obama can lobby for it.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)I still feel that way based on his persistence and despite those who he depends on
offering him poor advice on the break out theory..over blown, and without merit.
One serious problem for Netanyahu was when Pardo stated that even a nuclear
Iran would not pose an existential threat to Israel even if they did end up
with nuclear weapons. The irony has been for years that it is Netanyahu who has
created the hostilities and created a boogey man when there was no such thing.
I believe the documentation is solid on that, indicating that Bibi, once briefed as far
back as the late 90's had actually dropped his claim they were a threat. Then began again,
but not due to any legitimate reasons.
Decades of failed foreign policies and now a change that has been long overdue.
I am kind of shocked more people are not excited..but maybe they are and you're
just one I have noticed feels the same way as I.
snip* What induced Netanyahu to start selling the snake oil of Iran as menace to Israel was not any new evidence of Iranian interest in nuclear weapons or hostility toward Israel. It was the fear of a rapprochement between the Clinton administration and the newly elected Khatami government and the hope of depriving Iran of what was assumed to be Russian assistance for building missiles that could reach Israel.
Netanyahu was alarmed by the signals from both Tehran and Washington in the summer of 1997 indicating interest in reducing tensions between the two countries. That would have represented a real threat to Israels political and strategic interests, and he was determined to cut it short. Netanyahus response was to start to begin sending messages to Iran through other governments that Israel would carry out pre-emptive strikes against Iranian missile development sites unless it stopped its ballistic missile program.
It was a reckless tactic that would not cause Iran to stop working on missiles, but could well provoke a much tougher Iranian public posture toward Israel. That, in turn, would allow Netanyahu to put pressure on the Clinton administration to steer clear of any warming relations with Iran.
Netanyahus indirect threats did cause Iran to focus much more on the potential threat from Israel in its missile program, making Iran and Israel strategic adversaries for the first time. Netanyahu bears personal responsibility for having created a conflict with Iran that had never existed before. But it is not the conflict that he has been alleging all these years.
Gareth Porter is an independent investigative journalist and winner of the 2012 Gellhorn Prize for journalism. He is the author of the newly published Manufactured Crisis: The Untold Story of the Iran Nuclear Scare. [This story first appeared at Middle East Eye.
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/03/06/behind-israels-hostility-toward-iran/
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)uttered platitudes on the two-state solution as a PR move.
Tanuki
(14,918 posts)hatrack
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