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Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:46 PM

Obama blames the guy actually responsible for the birth of ISIS for giving birth to ISIS. BASTARD!

I'm LOVING the right-wing outrage over this.

‘Unintended consequences’: Obama traces origin of ISIS to Bush-era Iraq invasion
Published time: March 17, 2015 04:17
Edited time: March 18, 2015 09:46

http://rt.com/usa/241325-obama-isis-iraq-bush/



President Barack Obama traced the origins of Islamic State militants back to the presidency of George W. Bush and the invasion of Iraq back in 2003, arguing that its growth was an “unintended consequence” of the war.

In an interview with Vice News, President Obama said the rise of Islamic State (IS, also known as ISIS/ISIL) can be directly linked to America’s excursion into Iraq under Bush.

“Two things: One is, ISIL is a direct outgrowth of Al-Qaeda in Iraq that grew out of our invasion,” Obama said in an interview with VICE News. “Which is an example of unintended consequences. Which is why we should generally aim before we shoot.”

Obama stated that he is “confident” a coalition consisting of 60 nations “will slowly push back ISIL out of Iraq,” but added that the challenge of stopping extremism won’t stop unless there is a political solution to the internal strife affecting so many countries in the Middle East.


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Reply Obama blames the guy actually responsible for the birth of ISIS for giving birth to ISIS. BASTARD! (Original post)
Miles Archer Mar 2015 OP
TheCowsCameHome Mar 2015 #1
randome Mar 2015 #9
C Moon Mar 2015 #15
TheCowsCameHome Mar 2015 #40
alfredo Mar 2015 #61
NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #26
lastlib Mar 2015 #51
ND-Dem Mar 2015 #55
kacekwl Mar 2015 #63
ND-Dem Mar 2015 #66
AlbertCat Mar 2015 #72
ND-Dem Mar 2015 #73
AlbertCat Mar 2015 #74
ieoeja Mar 2015 #79
TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #2
meow2u3 Mar 2015 #70
InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #76
cilla4progress Mar 2015 #3
Romeo.lima333 Mar 2015 #5
Myrina Mar 2015 #18
Thor_MN Mar 2015 #43
awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #49
lastlib Mar 2015 #52
awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #53
Myrina Mar 2015 #60
Romeo.lima333 Mar 2015 #4
Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #6
rhett o rick Mar 2015 #42
Sheepshank Mar 2015 #7
sinkingfeeling Mar 2015 #8
bulloney Mar 2015 #45
marym625 Mar 2015 #10
snooper2 Mar 2015 #11
MisterP Mar 2015 #12
Cha Mar 2015 #48
jillan Mar 2015 #13
Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #14
prayin4rain Mar 2015 #16
hollowdweller Mar 2015 #17
randr Mar 2015 #19
napkinz Mar 2015 #20
pansypoo53219 Mar 2015 #21
riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #22
knightmaar Mar 2015 #23
BainsBane Mar 2015 #24
YOHABLO Mar 2015 #38
BainsBane Mar 2015 #39
Submariner Mar 2015 #25
NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #28
Half-Century Man Mar 2015 #30
Stellar Mar 2015 #29
AikenYankee Mar 2015 #34
leveymg Mar 2015 #57
BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2015 #27
AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #31
Chan790 Mar 2015 #41
AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #44
leveymg Mar 2015 #58
AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #65
leveymg Mar 2015 #67
AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #80
red dog 1 Mar 2015 #75
InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #77
obxhead Mar 2015 #32
Tom Ripley Mar 2015 #35
mopinko Mar 2015 #56
WDIM Mar 2015 #33
the_sly_pig Mar 2015 #36
Jefferson23 Mar 2015 #37
Initech Mar 2015 #46
Cha Mar 2015 #47
ut oh Mar 2015 #50
former9thward Mar 2015 #54
Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #59
former9thward Mar 2015 #71
samsingh Mar 2015 #62
Marr Mar 2015 #64
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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:49 PM

1. Wow, look how long Cheney's right arm is - that is amazing.

n/t

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:58 PM

9. No, that's his left...oh, I see.

 


[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 01:24 PM

15. Cheney looks like a ventriloquist with a Bush dummy

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Response to C Moon (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 04:12 PM

40. Yeah, the arm goes up W's butt and out his sleeve!

That's really sumpin'!

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Response to C Moon (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 10:53 PM

61. That's why you never see his back. The head stick and controls are exposed.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 02:45 PM

26. CHeney came out today and said Obama worst president of all time

I want dickless to be shamed somehow, in a severe way

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 08:46 PM

51. all that exercise raising it and shouting "Sieg Heil!" has had an effect.

pasty white skin results from spending so much time wearing sheets, suppose??

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 09:01 PM

55. OK, what in cheney's background makes you think he's the puppeteer and bush is the

 

puppet?

The bush family's link to power goes way back, to the Civil war and railroad era.

Cheney's goes back to...cheney. Unless you know something I don't.

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Response to ND-Dem (Reply #55)

Thu Mar 19, 2015, 12:24 AM

63. Even the Bush

family knew W needed help moving his lips. Enter Cheney.

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Response to kacekwl (Reply #63)

Thu Mar 19, 2015, 02:39 AM

66. and you know the bush family's secret thoughts because....

 

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Response to ND-Dem (Reply #66)

Thu Mar 19, 2015, 12:03 PM

72. and you know the bush family's secret thoughts because....

 

Because there are no secrets involved and we can see and hear and have a brain.


How 'bout you?

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #72)

Thu Mar 19, 2015, 12:11 PM

73. weak. *you* think bush is dumb & needs a minder, ergo cheney is in charge. to you,

 

that means "we can see and hear and have a brain".

or maybe not. just your supposition.

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Response to ND-Dem (Reply #73)

Thu Mar 19, 2015, 02:58 PM

74. Oh please.....

 

...... what are you even arguing about?

Like we're making scientific analyses instead of snarky jokes.

And having lived thru the Bush years, and having a memory, it was obvious Dubya was not that engaged with that whole governing thing (one page DPB's...he didn't even read, y'know). Not so good for press conferences and PR either but it's what they got. He, like Reagan was a PR President.... a GOP idea.

But

Yes yes, I cannot see into the Bush family collective brain. Nothing about decades of external behavior or incidences and verbiages could possibly give us a clue as to what they are like or how they operate. THANK YOU, ND-Dem, for being so fair and understanding. I grovel.... I grovel in mortification...


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Response to ND-Dem (Reply #73)

Thu Mar 19, 2015, 05:09 PM

79. You do know who picked Cheney to be W's VP, don't you? n/t

 

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:50 PM

2. There's no question how ISIS came about. These are former

disgruntled Iraqi military officers (under Saddam) and AQ-aligned Sunnis who were too hard to kill the first time around. They went underground like cockroaches and then got the band back together a few years later. It's really that simple.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 19, 2015, 10:17 AM

70. You summed it up perfectly in sound bite form

Bravo!

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 19, 2015, 04:35 PM

76. Yes and anyone stupid enough to support those aholes and vote for the IWR is disqualified to be President...

Can everyone at least agree on that?!

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:51 PM

3. What this photo says to me:

heil

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:52 PM

5. i wish it was saying "bye-bye we're off to the hague"

 

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 01:43 PM

18. It says "Smile nice for the camera, Georgie, and you can have ice cream after your nap"

to me ...

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Response to Myrina (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 06:21 PM

43. Sprinkles are for winners.

 

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Response to Thor_MN (Reply #43)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 08:27 PM

49. Off topic...

 

but I love that commercial. "Flo" delivers that line so deadpan.

on edit: Added the video for those who haven't seen it. She makes him feel so good for 25 seconds, then buries the knife

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #49)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 08:49 PM

52. Never put this creature on my screen again.

I am so sick of that ******* "Flo", I could retch when I see her mug.

(nuttin' personal, awoke!)

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Response to lastlib (Reply #52)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 08:50 PM

53. Ah, come on now....

 

I hear you, though

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Response to lastlib (Reply #52)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 10:34 PM

60. you're not alone ...

n/t

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:52 PM

4. kr

 

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:53 PM

6. Populist President Obama is what we have in power, no need to wait for Warren. Get his back.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 04:36 PM

42. How exactly is he a "Populist President". His stands on fracking, the TPP,

 

indefinite detention, the Patriot Act, torture, war crimes, drone killings, persecution of whistle-blowers and journalists, etc., preclude him from being a "Populist President". Sen Warren wants to control Wall Street, while Pres Obama and Holder are willing to give them a pass. Almost all of Pres Obama's appointees have been conservatives. How again is he "Populist"???

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:54 PM

7. ahhh, so this is what prompted Cheney's little outburst

 

I figured it had something to do with questioning his lying, cheating, reign of terror.

What a petulant man-child

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:57 PM

8. Too bad 99.5% of the population will never see nor read this.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 07:05 PM

45. Oh, they're reading it and, from what I've seen in the social media, people are furious at Obama.

How dare he not accept the blame for ISIS and blame Bush/Cheney on top of that!

When will these liberals (the fact these goofs call Obama a liberal is laughable) start owning up to their mistakes (another good laugh at their skills of projecting).

I've been reading it on FB and other social media for the past day.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 01:04 PM

10. The easiest, best and most important thing to do

In letting the world and American citizens know that we realize how horrible what we did was, is to prosecute those that committed war crimes.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 01:06 PM

11. Shithole RT using a real news organizations work....

 

There should be some kind of international law against that LOL

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 01:14 PM

12. Bush tried to keep us in, kept Gitmo open, and used ultra-Salafists to overthrow Libya and Syria?

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Response to MisterP (Reply #12)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 07:46 PM

48. How sweet.. you're sticking up for bush.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 01:15 PM

13. IF ONLY we had media that would actually report on this disturbing fact so the President

wouldn't have to. Now it becomes political when it an actual fact.


If only that librul media would do their job.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 01:22 PM

14. Working on ensuring no bush will ever hold public office again, awesomeness.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 01:25 PM

16. YES! n/t

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 01:28 PM

17. If you want to go back further

 


Really the CIA in Afghanistan was who birthed the large multi national Islamic fighting force that first formed in Afghanistan, then moved to the former Yugoslavia, and finally wound up in Iraq and Syria. You could say we gave the seed money, and really our invasion of Iraq and then what went down in Syria gave it a huge shot in the arm.


I really only think that it can currently be defeated on an ideological basis and by not sending arms to the middle east, because the arms can be captured or sold to them from who we originally give them to. Another important part is to become energy independent. I think Obama actually knows this and is quietly trying to both do it and educate the public. However the GOP, and sadly, too many of our countrymen think that force is somehow an option that will work.

For years after Vietnam we understood this reality. However one bad thing I think about the Gulf War and our success there was that it sort of emboldened the hawks. After the self congratulatory wallowing we were doing after the Gulf War went so well, combined with the fall of the USSR I knew our imperialistic and hawkish elements were going to lead the country down the path of problems again.

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Response to hollowdweller (Reply #17)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 01:44 PM

19. The war in Kuwait was when Papa put the airfields on Saudi land

infuriating the dormant extremists, namely Bin Laden and ilk.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 02:06 PM

20. ...



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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 02:18 PM

21. why in the hell is the gnewz telling us what stupid head cheeney thinks?

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 02:21 PM

22. Bzzzzzt! This is an RT article and therefore is simply Russian propaganda!

 

or something like that...



K&R

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 02:23 PM

23. Educate them over there so we don't have to fight them over here.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 02:27 PM

24. There is a lot of blame to go around

I found Frontline's program "The Rise of Isis" quite interesting.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/rise-of-isis/

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #24)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 03:54 PM

38. It seemed a bit Hawkish to put U.S. troops on the ground. I don't want to see more young people

 

killed and or beheaded. We have to encourage the surrounding armies (Sauds etc) to take up the cause. If they want stability in the region then they'll have to step up. The Pentagon loves war as well as the MIC (Military Industrial Complex)

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #38)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 04:08 PM

39. I don't know what the solution is

and I don't want to see troops on the ground either. My point in posting the link was to show the blame goes beyond Bush. Obama played a role as well through neglect and ignoring Malaki's purges of the Sunni. The whole thing is a royal screw up, and now we are facing the consequences.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 02:43 PM

25. Let's give Obama a THIRD TERM as President

Have Pelosi and Reid introduce a Bill to bomb some place that republicans hate, like the MSNBC studio during the weekend so Rachel is safe, and then like the republicans, sneakily bury a sentence in the Bill that allows Obama to run for a third term. He's too good to let go so soon.

Let's do it!

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Response to Submariner (Reply #25)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 02:48 PM

28. A great "I told you so" would be for Obama to be followed by a Walker or Cruz

The stark difference would make some people hang their heads in shame

We were shown this difference when Obama (superman in some respects) took over after W, the worst president of all time.

We saw how different it was and we forgot about it so quickly, some of us did, anyway.

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #28)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 03:11 PM

30. Uh...Bad idea.

Allowing an axe murderer in the house because your kids make a mess and talk back ....isn't a very good idea.

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Response to Submariner (Reply #25)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 02:58 PM

29. hear, hear!

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Response to Submariner (Reply #25)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 03:35 PM

34. I've been "threatening" by

conservative friends with a Third Obama term for six years now! Drives them crazy!!

Sounds like a great idea to me .... (except for that constitutional thing.)

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Response to AikenYankee (Reply #34)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 09:03 PM

57. Michelle.

Third and fourth Obama terms. Beats the alternatives.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 02:48 PM

27. kicking, rec, shared. n/t

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 03:11 PM

31. Hillary blamed the rise of ISIS on Obama's "failure" to intervene in Syrian civil war.

 

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #31)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 04:35 PM

41. ...and here I was...

 

thinking that I didn't need another reason to hate Hillary.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #41)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 06:33 PM

44. There's plenty of material no doubt.

 

Obama could have left her dumb ass in the Senate where she chaired no committees and had no seniority. But he gave her actual foreign policy experience as SOS to bolster her resume that largely consisted of fantastical claims such as bringing peace to Ireland and ducking sniperfire in Tuzla. What does he get for his gracious generosity? She stabs him in the back and self-promotes her hawkish views. She forgets she lost in large part because of her hawkishness, so I look forward to a reckoning that is surely headed her way.

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #31)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 09:34 PM

58. What is striking is that HRCs positions are Bibis and the Saudis

She makes that quite clear in her interview that the "maximalist" stance she takes on every issue from Israel's bombing of Gaza to Iran enrichment is essentially the same as Bibi's and the Saudis'.

As she admits, "there is no distance" on these matters - Hillary might as well be Bibi or the Saudi foreign minister.

Does no one else find this remarkable? Are we really expected to quietly accept her nomination as the Democratic candidate for President without even discussion?

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Response to leveymg (Reply #58)

Thu Mar 19, 2015, 01:17 AM

65. Yes, it is disturbing.

 

And ignored for the most part by too many here.

It is my #1 reason, and lord knows there are many, why I cannot and will not vote for her.

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #65)

Thu Mar 19, 2015, 08:05 AM

67. Thanks for the link to that HRC interview in The Atlantic. Substantiates a lot ME specifics.

Hillary has been enabling the "maximalist" hard-line positions of the Israeli RW and the Saudis, and will by all indication continue to do so. Clinton, along with the GOP neocons, share responsible for much of the chaos and sectarian violence that is spilling over out of the region. That fact is widely ignored around here. Let's see what we can do about that.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #67)

Fri Mar 20, 2015, 02:42 AM

80. I'm in.

 

Let's see what we can do about that.

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #31)

Thu Mar 19, 2015, 04:18 PM

75. Thanks for the link

God, I hope Bernie Sanders becomes a Democrat and runs against HRC for the Democratic nomination.

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #31)

Thu Mar 19, 2015, 04:38 PM

77. Thanks AK for the reminder. With that idiocy and her IWR vote, Hillary succeeds only in embarrassing herself.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 03:11 PM

32. I think "unintended" is a real stretch.

 

I believe everything that happened was well planned and quite intentional.

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Response to obxhead (Reply #32)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 03:37 PM

35. +1000

 

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Response to obxhead (Reply #32)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 09:01 PM

56. yup. what better way to keep the war machine in high gear

than to bomb a country that did nothing to deserve it.
we should have invaded saudi arabia if we were really trying to punish the perpetrators of 9/11.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 03:19 PM

33. Average age of ISIL recruit is between 16-21

These are the children of the Iraq war.

Would be interesting to know how many ISIL fighters are orphans or had family killed during the Iraq war.

This was my biggest argument against the Iraq war that it would lead to a generation of children growing up with hate and vengence in their heart thus leading to more terrorism and war.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 03:49 PM

36. Chainee's ventriloquist act is something to see....

And with only one hand!!!

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 03:53 PM

37. Excellent statements. K&R

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 07:39 PM

46. Pass the butter. It will be fun watching their heads explode.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 07:44 PM

47. The President warned them in Oct 2002 in his speech against invading Iraq.. did they listen? Are

you kidding!

Mahalo Miles

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 08:40 PM

50. Is that Cheney's hand

up the back of W's shirt? The puppet master at work....

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 08:55 PM

54. I thought we were told RT is a worthless source.

That should not even be allowed on DU. My, how time has changed.....

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Response to former9thward (Reply #54)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 10:05 PM

59. The interview is with Vice News, this story reports on that story. The OP used RT's reporting on

 

Vice News instead of just linking to the interview. Here's the source:
https://news.vice.com/video/president-obama-speaks-with-vice-news

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #59)

Thu Mar 19, 2015, 10:28 AM

71. Which is exactly what happened when many others have used RT.

But based on the subject matter they are slammed for using "Putin's propaganda". Here not so much....

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 11:27 PM

62. i hate the picture of those two asswip..

pure evil

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Thu Mar 19, 2015, 12:31 AM

64. Certainly not unforeseen. And it was only 'unintended' in the sense that

 

the greedy, arrogant assholes in charge didn't really give a shit about such side effects. They had their short term goals and lots of dick to waggle, and they just barged forward and did it with the the acquiescence of the political establishment and lots of media cover.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Thu Mar 19, 2015, 09:42 AM

68. Saddam was right.

 

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Thu Mar 19, 2015, 09:44 AM

69. Spot on! +1

 

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Thu Mar 19, 2015, 04:44 PM

78. Islamic State owes it's very existence to the Project for the New American Century (PNAC)

"PNAC, co-founded by William Kristol and Robert Kagan, was a neo-conservative think tank (1997-2006) that had strong ties to the American Enterprise Institute.
PNAC is noteworthy for it's focus on Iraq, a preoccupation that began before Bush became president and predates the attacks of September 11, 2001."

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http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

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