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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:46 PM Mar 2015

Obama blames the guy actually responsible for the birth of ISIS for giving birth to ISIS. BASTARD!

I'm LOVING the right-wing outrage over this.

‘Unintended consequences’: Obama traces origin of ISIS to Bush-era Iraq invasion
Published time: March 17, 2015 04:17
Edited time: March 18, 2015 09:46

http://rt.com/usa/241325-obama-isis-iraq-bush/



President Barack Obama traced the origins of Islamic State militants back to the presidency of George W. Bush and the invasion of Iraq back in 2003, arguing that its growth was an “unintended consequence” of the war.

In an interview with Vice News, President Obama said the rise of Islamic State (IS, also known as ISIS/ISIL) can be directly linked to America’s excursion into Iraq under Bush.

“Two things: One is, ISIL is a direct outgrowth of Al-Qaeda in Iraq that grew out of our invasion,” Obama said in an interview with VICE News. “Which is an example of unintended consequences. Which is why we should generally aim before we shoot.”

Obama stated that he is “confident” a coalition consisting of 60 nations “will slowly push back ISIL out of Iraq,” but added that the challenge of stopping extremism won’t stop unless there is a political solution to the internal strife affecting so many countries in the Middle East.


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Obama blames the guy actually responsible for the birth of ISIS for giving birth to ISIS. BASTARD! (Original Post) Miles Archer Mar 2015 OP
Wow, look how long Cheney's right arm is - that is amazing. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2015 #1
No, that's his left...oh, I see. randome Mar 2015 #9
Cheney looks like a ventriloquist with a Bush dummy C Moon Mar 2015 #15
Yeah, the arm goes up W's butt and out his sleeve! TheCowsCameHome Mar 2015 #40
That's why you never see his back. The head stick and controls are exposed. alfredo Mar 2015 #61
CHeney came out today and said Obama worst president of all time NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #26
all that exercise raising it and shouting "Sieg Heil!" has had an effect. lastlib Mar 2015 #51
OK, what in cheney's background makes you think he's the puppeteer and bush is the ND-Dem Mar 2015 #55
Even the Bush kacekwl Mar 2015 #63
and you know the bush family's secret thoughts because.... ND-Dem Mar 2015 #66
and you know the bush family's secret thoughts because.... AlbertCat Mar 2015 #72
weak. *you* think bush is dumb & needs a minder, ergo cheney is in charge. to you, ND-Dem Mar 2015 #73
Oh please..... AlbertCat Mar 2015 #74
You do know who picked Cheney to be W's VP, don't you? n/t ieoeja Mar 2015 #79
There's no question how ISIS came about. These are former TwilightGardener Mar 2015 #2
You summed it up perfectly in sound bite form meow2u3 Mar 2015 #70
Yes and anyone stupid enough to support those aholes and vote for the IWR is disqualified to be President... InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #76
What this photo says to me: cilla4progress Mar 2015 #3
i wish it was saying "bye-bye we're off to the hague" Romeo.lima333 Mar 2015 #5
It says "Smile nice for the camera, Georgie, and you can have ice cream after your nap" Myrina Mar 2015 #18
Sprinkles are for winners. Thor_MN Mar 2015 #43
Off topic... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #49
Never put this creature on my screen again. lastlib Mar 2015 #52
Ah, come on now.... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #53
you're not alone ... Myrina Mar 2015 #60
kr Romeo.lima333 Mar 2015 #4
Populist President Obama is what we have in power, no need to wait for Warren. Get his back. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #6
How exactly is he a "Populist President". His stands on fracking, the TPP, rhett o rick Mar 2015 #42
ahhh, so this is what prompted Cheney's little outburst Sheepshank Mar 2015 #7
Too bad 99.5% of the population will never see nor read this. sinkingfeeling Mar 2015 #8
Oh, they're reading it and, from what I've seen in the social media, people are furious at Obama. bulloney Mar 2015 #45
The easiest, best and most important thing to do marym625 Mar 2015 #10
Shithole RT using a real news organizations work.... snooper2 Mar 2015 #11
Bush tried to keep us in, kept Gitmo open, and used ultra-Salafists to overthrow Libya and Syria? MisterP Mar 2015 #12
How sweet.. you're sticking up for bush. Cha Mar 2015 #48
IF ONLY we had media that would actually report on this disturbing fact so the President jillan Mar 2015 #13
Working on ensuring no bush will ever hold public office again, awesomeness. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #14
YES! n/t prayin4rain Mar 2015 #16
If you want to go back further hollowdweller Mar 2015 #17
The war in Kuwait was when Papa put the airfields on Saudi land randr Mar 2015 #19
... napkinz Mar 2015 #20
why in the hell is the gnewz telling us what stupid head cheeney thinks? pansypoo53219 Mar 2015 #21
Bzzzzzt! This is an RT article and therefore is simply Russian propaganda! riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #22
Educate them over there so we don't have to fight them over here. knightmaar Mar 2015 #23
There is a lot of blame to go around BainsBane Mar 2015 #24
It seemed a bit Hawkish to put U.S. troops on the ground. I don't want to see more young people YOHABLO Mar 2015 #38
I don't know what the solution is BainsBane Mar 2015 #39
Let's give Obama a THIRD TERM as President Submariner Mar 2015 #25
A great "I told you so" would be for Obama to be followed by a Walker or Cruz NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #28
Uh...Bad idea. Half-Century Man Mar 2015 #30
hear, hear! Stellar Mar 2015 #29
I've been "threatening" by AikenYankee Mar 2015 #34
Michelle. leveymg Mar 2015 #57
kicking, rec, shared. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2015 #27
Hillary blamed the rise of ISIS on Obama's "failure" to intervene in Syrian civil war. AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #31
...and here I was... Chan790 Mar 2015 #41
There's plenty of material no doubt. AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #44
What is striking is that HRCs positions are Bibis and the Saudis leveymg Mar 2015 #58
Yes, it is disturbing. AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #65
Thanks for the link to that HRC interview in The Atlantic. Substantiates a lot ME specifics. leveymg Mar 2015 #67
I'm in. AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #80
Thanks for the link red dog 1 Mar 2015 #75
Thanks AK for the reminder. With that idiocy and her IWR vote, Hillary succeeds only in embarrassing herself. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #77
I think "unintended" is a real stretch. obxhead Mar 2015 #32
+1000 Tom Ripley Mar 2015 #35
yup. what better way to keep the war machine in high gear mopinko Mar 2015 #56
Average age of ISIL recruit is between 16-21 WDIM Mar 2015 #33
Chainee's ventriloquist act is something to see.... the_sly_pig Mar 2015 #36
Excellent statements. K&R Jefferson23 Mar 2015 #37
Pass the butter. It will be fun watching their heads explode. Initech Mar 2015 #46
The President warned them in Oct 2002 in his speech against invading Iraq.. did they listen? Are Cha Mar 2015 #47
Is that Cheney's hand ut oh Mar 2015 #50
I thought we were told RT is a worthless source. former9thward Mar 2015 #54
The interview is with Vice News, this story reports on that story. The OP used RT's reporting on Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #59
Which is exactly what happened when many others have used RT. former9thward Mar 2015 #71
i hate the picture of those two asswip.. samsingh Mar 2015 #62
Certainly not unforeseen. And it was only 'unintended' in the sense that Marr Mar 2015 #64
Saddam was right. L0oniX Mar 2015 #68
Spot on! +1 B Calm Mar 2015 #69
Islamic State owes it's very existence to the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) red dog 1 Mar 2015 #78
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
9. No, that's his left...oh, I see.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:58 PM
Mar 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
26. CHeney came out today and said Obama worst president of all time
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 02:45 PM
Mar 2015

I want dickless to be shamed somehow, in a severe way

lastlib

(22,981 posts)
51. all that exercise raising it and shouting "Sieg Heil!" has had an effect.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 08:46 PM
Mar 2015

pasty white skin results from spending so much time wearing sheets, suppose??

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
55. OK, what in cheney's background makes you think he's the puppeteer and bush is the
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 09:01 PM
Mar 2015

puppet?

The bush family's link to power goes way back, to the Civil war and railroad era.

Cheney's goes back to...cheney. Unless you know something I don't.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
72. and you know the bush family's secret thoughts because....
Thu Mar 19, 2015, 12:03 PM
Mar 2015

Because there are no secrets involved and we can see and hear and have a brain.


How 'bout you?

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
73. weak. *you* think bush is dumb & needs a minder, ergo cheney is in charge. to you,
Thu Mar 19, 2015, 12:11 PM
Mar 2015

that means "we can see and hear and have a brain".

or maybe not. just your supposition.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
74. Oh please.....
Thu Mar 19, 2015, 02:58 PM
Mar 2015

...... what are you even arguing about?

Like we're making scientific analyses instead of snarky jokes.

And having lived thru the Bush years, and having a memory, it was obvious Dubya was not that engaged with that whole governing thing (one page DPB's...he didn't even read, y'know). Not so good for press conferences and PR either but it's what they got. He, like Reagan was a PR President.... a GOP idea.

But

Yes yes, I cannot see into the Bush family collective brain. Nothing about decades of external behavior or incidences and verbiages could possibly give us a clue as to what they are like or how they operate. THANK YOU, ND-Dem, for being so fair and understanding. I grovel.... I grovel in mortification...


TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
2. There's no question how ISIS came about. These are former
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:50 PM
Mar 2015

disgruntled Iraqi military officers (under Saddam) and AQ-aligned Sunnis who were too hard to kill the first time around. They went underground like cockroaches and then got the band back together a few years later. It's really that simple.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
76. Yes and anyone stupid enough to support those aholes and vote for the IWR is disqualified to be President...
Thu Mar 19, 2015, 04:35 PM
Mar 2015

Can everyone at least agree on that?!

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
49. Off topic...
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 08:27 PM
Mar 2015

but I love that commercial. "Flo" delivers that line so deadpan.

on edit: Added the video for those who haven't seen it. She makes him feel so good for 25 seconds, then buries the knife

lastlib

(22,981 posts)
52. Never put this creature on my screen again.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 08:49 PM
Mar 2015

I am so sick of that ******* "Flo", I could retch when I see her mug.

(nuttin' personal, awoke!)

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
42. How exactly is he a "Populist President". His stands on fracking, the TPP,
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 04:36 PM
Mar 2015

indefinite detention, the Patriot Act, torture, war crimes, drone killings, persecution of whistle-blowers and journalists, etc., preclude him from being a "Populist President". Sen Warren wants to control Wall Street, while Pres Obama and Holder are willing to give them a pass. Almost all of Pres Obama's appointees have been conservatives. How again is he "Populist"???

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
7. ahhh, so this is what prompted Cheney's little outburst
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 12:54 PM
Mar 2015

I figured it had something to do with questioning his lying, cheating, reign of terror.

What a petulant man-child

bulloney

(4,113 posts)
45. Oh, they're reading it and, from what I've seen in the social media, people are furious at Obama.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 07:05 PM
Mar 2015

How dare he not accept the blame for ISIS and blame Bush/Cheney on top of that!

When will these liberals (the fact these goofs call Obama a liberal is laughable) start owning up to their mistakes (another good laugh at their skills of projecting).

I've been reading it on FB and other social media for the past day.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
10. The easiest, best and most important thing to do
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 01:04 PM
Mar 2015

In letting the world and American citizens know that we realize how horrible what we did was, is to prosecute those that committed war crimes.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
11. Shithole RT using a real news organizations work....
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 01:06 PM
Mar 2015

There should be some kind of international law against that LOL

jillan

(39,451 posts)
13. IF ONLY we had media that would actually report on this disturbing fact so the President
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 01:15 PM
Mar 2015

wouldn't have to. Now it becomes political when it an actual fact.


If only that librul media would do their job.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
17. If you want to go back further
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 01:28 PM
Mar 2015

Really the CIA in Afghanistan was who birthed the large multi national Islamic fighting force that first formed in Afghanistan, then moved to the former Yugoslavia, and finally wound up in Iraq and Syria. You could say we gave the seed money, and really our invasion of Iraq and then what went down in Syria gave it a huge shot in the arm.


I really only think that it can currently be defeated on an ideological basis and by not sending arms to the middle east, because the arms can be captured or sold to them from who we originally give them to. Another important part is to become energy independent. I think Obama actually knows this and is quietly trying to both do it and educate the public. However the GOP, and sadly, too many of our countrymen think that force is somehow an option that will work.

For years after Vietnam we understood this reality. However one bad thing I think about the Gulf War and our success there was that it sort of emboldened the hawks. After the self congratulatory wallowing we were doing after the Gulf War went so well, combined with the fall of the USSR I knew our imperialistic and hawkish elements were going to lead the country down the path of problems again.

randr

(12,408 posts)
19. The war in Kuwait was when Papa put the airfields on Saudi land
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 01:44 PM
Mar 2015

infuriating the dormant extremists, namely Bin Laden and ilk.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
38. It seemed a bit Hawkish to put U.S. troops on the ground. I don't want to see more young people
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 03:54 PM
Mar 2015

killed and or beheaded. We have to encourage the surrounding armies (Sauds etc) to take up the cause. If they want stability in the region then they'll have to step up. The Pentagon loves war as well as the MIC (Military Industrial Complex)

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
39. I don't know what the solution is
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 04:08 PM
Mar 2015

and I don't want to see troops on the ground either. My point in posting the link was to show the blame goes beyond Bush. Obama played a role as well through neglect and ignoring Malaki's purges of the Sunni. The whole thing is a royal screw up, and now we are facing the consequences.

Submariner

(12,485 posts)
25. Let's give Obama a THIRD TERM as President
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 02:43 PM
Mar 2015

Have Pelosi and Reid introduce a Bill to bomb some place that republicans hate, like the MSNBC studio during the weekend so Rachel is safe, and then like the republicans, sneakily bury a sentence in the Bill that allows Obama to run for a third term. He's too good to let go so soon.

Let's do it!

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
28. A great "I told you so" would be for Obama to be followed by a Walker or Cruz
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 02:48 PM
Mar 2015

The stark difference would make some people hang their heads in shame

We were shown this difference when Obama (superman in some respects) took over after W, the worst president of all time.

We saw how different it was and we forgot about it so quickly, some of us did, anyway.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
30. Uh...Bad idea.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 03:11 PM
Mar 2015

Allowing an axe murderer in the house because your kids make a mess and talk back ....isn't a very good idea.

AikenYankee

(135 posts)
34. I've been "threatening" by
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 03:35 PM
Mar 2015

conservative friends with a Third Obama term for six years now! Drives them crazy!!

Sounds like a great idea to me .... (except for that constitutional thing.)

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
44. There's plenty of material no doubt.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 06:33 PM
Mar 2015

Obama could have left her dumb ass in the Senate where she chaired no committees and had no seniority. But he gave her actual foreign policy experience as SOS to bolster her resume that largely consisted of fantastical claims such as bringing peace to Ireland and ducking sniperfire in Tuzla. What does he get for his gracious generosity? She stabs him in the back and self-promotes her hawkish views. She forgets she lost in large part because of her hawkishness, so I look forward to a reckoning that is surely headed her way.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
58. What is striking is that HRCs positions are Bibis and the Saudis
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 09:34 PM
Mar 2015

She makes that quite clear in her interview that the "maximalist" stance she takes on every issue from Israel's bombing of Gaza to Iran enrichment is essentially the same as Bibi's and the Saudis'.

As she admits, "there is no distance" on these matters - Hillary might as well be Bibi or the Saudi foreign minister.

Does no one else find this remarkable? Are we really expected to quietly accept her nomination as the Democratic candidate for President without even discussion?

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
65. Yes, it is disturbing.
Thu Mar 19, 2015, 01:17 AM
Mar 2015

And ignored for the most part by too many here.

It is my #1 reason, and lord knows there are many, why I cannot and will not vote for her.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
67. Thanks for the link to that HRC interview in The Atlantic. Substantiates a lot ME specifics.
Thu Mar 19, 2015, 08:05 AM
Mar 2015

Hillary has been enabling the "maximalist" hard-line positions of the Israeli RW and the Saudis, and will by all indication continue to do so. Clinton, along with the GOP neocons, share responsible for much of the chaos and sectarian violence that is spilling over out of the region. That fact is widely ignored around here. Let's see what we can do about that.

red dog 1

(27,647 posts)
75. Thanks for the link
Thu Mar 19, 2015, 04:18 PM
Mar 2015

God, I hope Bernie Sanders becomes a Democrat and runs against HRC for the Democratic nomination.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
77. Thanks AK for the reminder. With that idiocy and her IWR vote, Hillary succeeds only in embarrassing herself.
Thu Mar 19, 2015, 04:38 PM
Mar 2015
 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
32. I think "unintended" is a real stretch.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 03:11 PM
Mar 2015

I believe everything that happened was well planned and quite intentional.

mopinko

(69,806 posts)
56. yup. what better way to keep the war machine in high gear
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 09:01 PM
Mar 2015

than to bomb a country that did nothing to deserve it.
we should have invaded saudi arabia if we were really trying to punish the perpetrators of 9/11.

WDIM

(1,662 posts)
33. Average age of ISIL recruit is between 16-21
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 03:19 PM
Mar 2015

These are the children of the Iraq war.

Would be interesting to know how many ISIL fighters are orphans or had family killed during the Iraq war.

This was my biggest argument against the Iraq war that it would lead to a generation of children growing up with hate and vengence in their heart thus leading to more terrorism and war.

Cha

(295,899 posts)
47. The President warned them in Oct 2002 in his speech against invading Iraq.. did they listen? Are
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 07:44 PM
Mar 2015

you kidding!

Mahalo Miles

former9thward

(31,802 posts)
54. I thought we were told RT is a worthless source.
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 08:55 PM
Mar 2015

That should not even be allowed on DU. My, how time has changed.....

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
59. The interview is with Vice News, this story reports on that story. The OP used RT's reporting on
Wed Mar 18, 2015, 10:05 PM
Mar 2015

Vice News instead of just linking to the interview. Here's the source:
https://news.vice.com/video/president-obama-speaks-with-vice-news

former9thward

(31,802 posts)
71. Which is exactly what happened when many others have used RT.
Thu Mar 19, 2015, 10:28 AM
Mar 2015

But based on the subject matter they are slammed for using "Putin's propaganda". Here not so much....

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
64. Certainly not unforeseen. And it was only 'unintended' in the sense that
Thu Mar 19, 2015, 12:31 AM
Mar 2015

the greedy, arrogant assholes in charge didn't really give a shit about such side effects. They had their short term goals and lots of dick to waggle, and they just barged forward and did it with the the acquiescence of the political establishment and lots of media cover.

red dog 1

(27,647 posts)
78. Islamic State owes it's very existence to the Project for the New American Century (PNAC)
Thu Mar 19, 2015, 04:44 PM
Mar 2015

"PNAC, co-founded by William Kristol and Robert Kagan, was a neo-conservative think tank (1997-2006) that had strong ties to the American Enterprise Institute.
PNAC is noteworthy for it's focus on Iraq, a preoccupation that began before Bush became president and predates the attacks of September 11, 2001."

More:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

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