School administrator dumbshits: Gay Student Faces Expulsion For Firing Stun Gun To Fend Off Bullies

[bluestateguy]

Heaven forbid someone try to defend themselves.

Making It Gets Better videos and holding "diversity workshops" are fine, I guess, but victims of school bullying must be allowed to defend themselves when facing violent attacks.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/02/darnell-dynasty-young-gay-student-stun-gun_n_1471921.html

Darnell "Dynasty" Young, a 17-year-old gay student at Arsenal Tech High School in Indianapolis, Ind., is facing possible expulsion after he fired a stun gun at bullies he claims were about to beat him up, the Indianapolis Star reports.

According to the paper, Young said classmates frequently harassed him, at times throwing rocks and taunting him for dressing too flamboyantly. Chelisa Grimes, Young's mother, also told the paper that when she went to school officials to complain, they placed the blame on Young for being "openly gay."

The conflict came to a head on April 16 when six students allegedly surrounded Young, threatening to cause him physical harm. The Indianapolis Star then reports Young took out a stun gun his mother gave him, and fired it into the air to scare the students. The teen was handcuffed and now faces a hearing that will determine whether or not he will be expelled from the school.

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[southernyankeebelle]

1. I don't think a stun gun is a way to go. Some people who have heart conditions can

die. You don't know who or who doesn't have problems.

[Fumesucker]

2. See the story on the first page of GD about the band member that was killed by hazing..

Beatings can kill too.

[Travis_0004]

4. That is very rare, plus I you bully somebody, you assume some risk.

If you bully somebody (and I mean physical, not just verbal), I think you take on risk. You might be beat up, you might get tazed, or you might get shot. If you don't want those risk, don't attack other people.

[southernyankeebelle]

5. Yes your right. Maybe people should walk with a friend. I have always been bullied because

of my weight. I just keep walking and pretent I don't hear it even though I do and hurt deep inside. But what we have today is a good thing. I know kids in this little rural community there have been a couple of kids bullied now they love being home taking online courses. If the teachers don't do anything I will beg my son and daughter-in-law to pull their kids out and home school them. My daughter-in-law's younger sister had a big mouth and seem to get in trouble alot with others in middle school. So she was home schooled and love it.

[Posteritatis]

8. No, but you do know when someone's assaulting you, and that's a little more important. (nt)

[southernyankeebelle]

13. But I'd run away pretty fast. You know like Forrest Gump did.

[Posteritatis]

18. Because that's always (1) and option and (2) effective. (nt)

[southernyankeebelle]

23. yep, and you said that in few words. LOL I bet you could run fast

[Maine-ah]

35. the stun gun was a bit over the top - maybe-

I think I would have resorted to pepper spray first. But this kid wasn't getting any help from the school, I honestly can't blame him for wanting to protect himself. The school wasn't going to step in.

[socialist_n_TN]

3. What? Indiana doesn't have a Stand Your Ground law?

Or does it not apply if you're gay and being attacked?

[Posteritatis]

9. Schools generally forbid self-defense these days; it's ridiculous. (nt)

[socialist_n_TN]

16. Well, they can forbid it all they want, but NOBODY........

wants to get hit. So self defense will happen eventually, even if you try NOT to fight back. It's instinct.

And I agree, it's ridiculous.

[Zalatix]

50. I hereby declare that No Child Left Behind 2012 be amended to outlaw "cause and effect" in school.

[aikoaiko]

6. I'm proud of Dynasty for defending himself.

[Taitertots]

7. Bringing dangerous weapons to school is reasonable grounds for expulsion

Bringing a stun gun and discharging it to intimidate other students is not the appropriate response to bullying.

[MrSlayer]

10. What would you consider reasonable?

He went to the authorities and they blamed him for the bullying. Passively accepting beatings and worse is not acceptable. Fighting back is the only option left open. When you're getting ganged on you need an equalizer. I would rather see it taken care of with a fair fight but bullies rarely travel alone or have the guts to go head up with someone. I think he saw no other recourse.

[Taitertots]

12. Call the police about the rock throwing and a lawyer about the school

Are you really going to claim that students should be allowed to bring dangerous weapons to school?
How do you propose they rewrite the school's rules to allow anyone who claims they were bullied to bring dangerous weapons into school with them?

[socialist_n_TN]

15. So call the cops AFTER you've had the shit beat out.....

of you by SIX guys. Yeah, that would work. Unless you're dead.

In my entire school career, I only got into 4 fights. The main thing I learned is that I don't like getting hit. IT HURTS! So I eventually learned HOW to fight. And even knowing how to fight REAL well, I don't think I'd want to fight 6 guys at once. Somebody, or several somebodies, could easily get killed that way.

You've got to face the fact that people WILL defend themselves rather than get hurt.

[Taitertots]

21. Call the police BEFORE bringing a dangerous weapon into school

Call a lawyer BEFORE bringing a weapon to school.

At some point prior to bringing a weapon to school there must have been a point where legal and/or criminal actions could be taken.

[Selatius]

20. Weapons shouldn't be allowed in any case; however, he was outnumbered six to one.

And he had no escape route. He was surrounded. What would you expect him to do? He obviously felt he was in mortal danger enough to pull the weapon and discharge it into the air.

Yes, he should be punished for bringing a weapon to school, but I believe the school's dereliction of duty in addressing the matter and that he was surrounded by six guys ready to punch him into the ground should serve as mitigating factors. That the school basically blamed the victim for the bullying is fundamentally outrageous.

[Edweird]

28. A stun gun is not a 'dangerous weapon'.

[Taitertots]

29. A stun gun is a dangerous weapon n/t

[Edweird]

30. If you're ignorant I suppose.

[Taitertots]

31. Let someone electrocute the shit out of you a few times, see if that changes your mind

Are you really being so obtuse that you are trying to claim that a device designed to electrocute people into submission isn't a dangerous weapon?

[Edweird]

32. Hand held stun guns are basically cattle prods.

[Taitertots]

37. Wow, you really are trying to be that obtuse

They are dangerous weapons and people who bring them to school deserve to be expelled. They are basically a weapon designed to incapacitate people with electricity. Electrocuting people to the point of incapacitation is DANGEROUS.

[Edweird]

38. You're not going to 'incapacitate' anyone with a handheld. They are going to jump and pull away.

Tell you what. You get a hand held stun gun (not a taser) and I'll put $1000 in my pocket. If you can incapacitate me using the stun gun the money is yours. Deal?

[Taitertots]

41. You being willing to accept getting electrocuted doesn't make it less dangerous

Finding someone to do something stupid doesn't make it less dangerous. They are still dangerous weapons that should NEVER be in schools.

I'm not going to try to hurt you for $1,000. I'm not going to try to hold you down and electrocute your face and neck for money. Go film someone electrocuting you with one if you feel like getting hurt.

[Edweird]

44. That's the thing - I won't get electrocuted. You can't hold it on me long enough.

I wouldn't offer the $1000 if I thought there was the slightest chance you might succeed.

Much less if I had 5 accomplices.

[Taitertots]

51. Your false bravado aside, they still should NEVER be brought to school

And people who bring them should be expelled. At least if we can't agree on how "dangerous" it is, I'd hope at least we could agree that it is a weapon and has no place in schools.

I think you would be surprised how long someone could hold a stun gun to you. Especially, if they are much bigger and/or much stronger.

[HillWilliam]

11. Blame the victim AGAIN? No, I say let's blame the administrator

for being "openly stupid".

[panopeagenerosa]

14. should have used a Berretta 92FS

Cited repeal of don't ask don't tell, claimed membership in unorganized militia and incorrect birth date on birth certificate, Mayflower compact, original articles of confederation, first state constitution for the state he lives in (never properly replaced after civil war), CCW app in mail and back dated, stand your ground etc.

Just saying it's time to throw the books at the homophobic pos.

Sorry, but I get kindof worked up about this sort of thing. Not (very) gay, just got bullied alot.

[cprise]

17. They're never refered to as 'Attackers'

Which is what bullies are.

[Posteritatis]

19. Yep. They're only "assailants" after graduation

Before that they're merely "bullies," which is a term that these days about as likely to get people jump to their defense than their victims'.

[Trillo]

22. I doubt if these are "dumb" or "stupid" school administrators.

There are too many repetitions of similar situation. It is a pattern, and my guess is driven by policy (thus is deliberate). The only escape for parents and their kids is not to play the game, but that's kind of hard to do when most parents want their kids educated and the police force attendance.

My solution was not to have kids. Your solution could be different.

[alp227]

24. I'm all for self defense, but don't you think guns IN SCHOOLS set a dangerous precedent?

For one thing, I'd support Darnell or ANY bullied teenager who was neglected by the dumbsh** admins. However, do we really want to turn our schools into the Wild West?

[Edweird]

26. There was no gun.

[kenny blankenship]

25. Bullies get to Ride the Lightning for FREE

Step right up.

[Edweird]

27. 6 on 1 qualifies as justification for lethal force as far as I am concerned.

If there are 6 dudes surrounding to attack me, I'm pulling out all the stops and utilize every underhanded lethal/crippling tactic I know. I will do my best not to leave any eye attached, any joint unbroken, any larynx uncrushed, any sternum unstomped, any ear unremoved and any testicles unflattened.

[Paladin]

42. That's Nice. Kindly Stay The Fuck Out Of My Neighborhood. (n/t)

[bhikkhu]

46. That goes both ways, however

as apparently the only one armed was the guy who is in trouble. If any of those six felt that their lives were threatened, then they could have justifiably killed the guy in self defense?

[Edweird]

47. I'm not a legal scholar but I know that with 6 attackers things can turn deadly even if

that wasn't their original intent. I'm not willing to take the chance and see what happens.

[JI7]

33. the kid should be suspended or something, but i put the blame on the School mostly

they blamed him for being picked on and thought he should just take it . what the fuck is he supposed to do ? maybe suspend him but fire a bunch of of the teachers or other higher ups who blamed him.

[slackmaster]

34. His right to keep and bear arms is being infringed

I, for one, am outraged.

[NCTraveler]

36. Fire a stun gun at school...

get expelled. Sounds about right.

[slackmaster]

39. Gang up on a gay student and bully him, no consequences

Sounds about wrong.

[NCTraveler]

40. Very wrong. nt.

[Zalatix]

49. +1,000,000!!!

[bhikkhu]

45. He'd be expelled in my area, without doubt

It wouldn't be a bullying issue, or a gay issue - it would be a weapons-at-school issue.

[Zalatix]

48. Stand your effin' ground, kid! Where can we donate to his legal defense???