Are guns mostly a White person hobby?

[justalovebug]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by DonViejo (a host of the General Discussion forum).

I have followed the discussion in the thread about a person selling paper targets
of an African American so I decide to google gun shows and it seems from every photo
I see it's mostly White people attending them.

I'm not saying there's something wrong with that but are guns mostly a White person hobby?

[Hoyt]

1. Look at images from gun shows, gun stores, open carry demonstrations, NRA meetings, etc.

The lack of diversity is plain.

Someone will come along and post a photo of a few Black Panthers with guns, but search for yourself.

[upaloopa]

2. I may get my head chopped off for saying this

but I use to live in Highland Park in Los Angeles. Every year before school started in September there was gang initiation
We did not go outside of our apartment complex on nights when we could hear the gun fire.
Now not saying the ethic background of the gangs we had, they were not the typical gun show attendees.
I met quite a few of them since we lived in the same neighborhood and most times I interacted with them they were friendly but carried guns.

[justalovebug]

14. I didn't mean criminals or gang members

Criminals come in all shades black ,white , brown

I was asking more so about the hobby aspect of it

[trackfan]

16. Avenues or HLP? n/t

[upaloopa]

31. I don't know it was in the early 80's

If you mean the street it was Avenue 46 IIRC
Off the 10 frwy a cross from Aroyo Seco across the railroad tracks from the South West Indian Museum.

[trackfan]

35. I think the Avenues territory was more located south of York

and HLP was to the north. There's still gang activity, but it's a paradise now compared to 20-30 years ago.

[upaloopa]

38. I use to help them with their cars and they were

always nice to me
On edit :
I googled Avenues and now I remember it was Avenue 43 that I turned off of the 10 fwy to get home.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

3. How about this

The real reason the Second Amendment was ratified, and why it says "State" instead of "Country" (the Framers knew the difference - see the 10th Amendment), was to preserve the slave patrol militias in the southern states,

http://truth-out.org/news/item/13890-the-second-amendment-was-ratified-to-preserve-slavery

I have said before and will again, most gun owners dont need their guns for any legitimate reason, and if anybody does need one for protection, it is a minority.

[justalovebug]

5. That was a good read

I had never heard of that before.
thanks

[clarice]

13. So you feel empowered to deny the majority? nt

[MicaelS]

15. You don't get the make the choice of what is and isn't legtimate.

Guns are a legal product, and if you are an adult, and not a criminal, you can own one. That is the only justification anyone needs.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

18. Sadly I dont get to enforce the 2nd amendment either, because if it was enforced as written

nobody outside of a well regulated militia would have a gun.

[Eleanors38]

49. That interpretation of 2A is an outlier, and has been for a long time. nt

[Eleanors38]

42. "[The 1968 Gun Control Act] was not passed to control guns, but to control blacks."

That from Robert Sherrill, a big supporter of the law.

Have you heard Malcolm X's take on 2A? It differs from the source you cited. A lot.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

44. I agree with Sherrill that the law was enacted to control Blacks

I have not contrasted Malcolm to the allegation that is put forth in the article, no

[Eleanors38]

59. A firm believer in 2A.

Of course, he knew that the Constitution was about Individual Rights, not some militia's rights. That militia clause? That was the fed's assertion that it cannot fulfill its Article 1 obligation to call for a militia without the "people's right to keep and bear arms..." In short, the fed's depended on the individual right, it did not condition it.

[cali]

4. perhaps not, but the whole NRA/gun culture thing is definitely a white people thing.

[Agnosticsherbet]

6. I think guns are a middle class and higher hobby.

Gun range membership plus range fees and weapons put them beyond the reach of the poor who are strapped to manage to pay for enough food, shelter, utilities, and transportation.

I googled "Gun Range Images" and saw only a very few that weren't white. I am not sure that really means anything.

The Poverty Rate is higher among minorities, so that may explain why fewer join gun ranges.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

8. White folks play with guns, some other folks use them to survive.

white america is still so completely clueless about so much it embarrasses me

[Vinca]

7. Black people might like it to be their hobby, but

they get shot by white cops before they can acquire much of a collection.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

10. And the few that have guns to fight back with dont dare if it is a cop

[Marrah_G]

11. ^this

It's more dangerous to have guns if you are black.. You are automatically assumed to be a criminal.

[Vinca]

24. Exactly. Think of the poor guy walking around the Walmart store with Walmart merchandise

and he was shot. Sometimes I wish all the black men who own guns would open carry just to see how long it would take the white legislators to strike down the open carry laws.

[Eleanors38]

45. Yet, the narrative is about shooting unarmed blacks.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

12. Best post of the month

[guillaumeb]

19. thank you very much

like your posts a lot. I was also going to link this but I did not.

[clarice]

17. And the most Racist post award goes too..................nt

[guillaumeb]

21. please check #19

the post was sarcastic

[clarice]

23. My sincerest apologies...... that one slipped by me. nt

[guillaumeb]

25. no problem

check out my next post to see what I was going to link to it.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

26. you're such a subthread killer

[clarice]

27. I apologized...I missed the sarcasm......take a deep breath. nt

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

29. sarcasm?

[clarice]

32. Yes...it means something said in jest...pertaining to the contrarian view of a given topic. nt

[guillaumeb]

33. ouch

that was a wee bit harsh. but life is like that sometimes.

[clarice]

36. Glad you enjoyed it.....like the old saying goes...

Get in an argument with Clarice or a cat....and you will come away either badly scratched...or badly confused.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

34. really?

I'll have to write that down.


wait for it...

[clarice]

39. Forgive me if I don't wait.......

no telling how long it will take you to "write it down".......keep em' comin'.
Your posts are like giant softballs that I keep hitting over the fence.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

43. you seem so defensive

chill and have a nice day

[clarice]

48. Thank you.....I pride myself on maintaining a positive outlook...any big plans this weekend? nt

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

50. Heading home for a few days and working from home Monday

Planning a later Patty's Day family dinner. Corned beef, cabbage, potatoes...

You?

[clarice]

51. Coming to your house for corned beef, cabbage and potatoes. lol nt

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

52. then you'll get to meet the cats, dog and rabbit

sounds like a party

[clarice]

53. woooo hooooo. Are you making your own corned beef? nt

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

55. yes, planning on using the pressure cooker n/t

[clarice]

58. YUM......have fun. nt

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

61. and you? any plans? n/t

[clarice]

64. Yes...making my significant other cook corned beef, cabbage and potatoes. nt

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

68. bravo, well played

[clarice]

60. PS...... keep the rabbit AWAY from the pressure cooker. nt

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

62. no worries

[Eleanors38]

20. 80,000,000+ people have guns; it's reasonable to assume most are "White"

since most people in this country are "White."

If the racial component in gun ownership is important, one might look at what race(s) use guns illegally, at least by percentages.

What do you think? A look at hobbies, or a look at crime data?

BTW, most hobbyists (of any sort) don't commit violent crime.

[clarice]

28. Amen Sister. nt

[Eleanors38]

37. Looks like we're back to GD: Guns-Dogs.

[clarice]

40. OH NO !!!! what if dogs carried guns ????????? nt

[sarisataka]

41. Beware of small dog syndrome

(actuality she's all bark, no shoot- lacking thumbs and all)

[clarice]

46. $%$#ing AWESOME. nt

[justalovebug]

47. You're saying 1 in 3 people in America are gun owners?

I don't say 1in 4 because I'm excluding young children from the equation .

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

54. Sorry to butt in

There are about 600 million privately held firearms in the world. About half are in the US.
About 1 household in 3 has a gun.

[Eleanors38]

63. The conservative estimate. It's probably a larger number.

[VScott]

22. Probably.

Along with golf, miniature golf, bowling, skiing, auto racing, sky diving, mountain climbing, deep sea diving,
darts, surfing, skate boarding, sailing, snowmobiling, hang gliding, rock climbing, kayaking, moto cross,
monster trucks, RC aircraft, etc.

Sure, there are AA's (and other minorities), that enjoy and participate in any of those I listed (and probably a bunch
more that I didn't), but just like guns and/or hunting, they're mostly white participants.

Why? I'm guessing income and geographic location plays a big part.

[clarice]

30. LOL.....funniest post of the day. nt

[Eleanors38]

65. Lately, add race to the mix & guns is back in GD! Ya-HOO!

[Yo_Mama]

56. I think they are more a rural thing.

It is odd for anyone of any ethnic background where I live not to have at least one rifle in the household (generally it means a felony conviction).

If you lived where I lived, you'd probably have one too. Also a lot of rural people, especially the less-affluent, hunt and fish for food. And then we have issues like rattlers on the doorsteps in the spring or summer. Firearms are more functional tools for us.

[Eleanors38]

67. I can see the rural aspect. But Jacksonville, Houston, L.A., Dallas, NO, Philly....

are not rural, and gun-ownership is high in these and other cities. For perspective, less than 20% of gun owners hunt.

[Mosby]

57. Not in AZ

Just go to Cabelas and look around.

What you will see is a lot of Whites, AAs and Hispanics at the gun counters, mostly men but not all.

I go there for camping gear and pocket knives.

[anotojefiremnesuka]

66. Speaking as an old WM who has lived in every region in the USA

I can easily say that yes they are majority white and nothing scares them shitless more than black males exercising their 2A rights like a white man.

If we want gun control all people of color have to do is to start forming gun clubs and militias all over America, than we will have gun control.

[DonViejo]

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