Israel would be annihilated without U.S. and our money. Enough of the disrespect from Israel

[TheNutcracker]

toward our President!

All the media today..."Obama is now going to have a real hard time from Netti for the rest of his presidency".......really? Are you kidding me? All the money we give to Israel and they threaten us?

S T O P T H E F U N D I N G.....Then let's discuss this bullshit.

To treat President Obama like this, is to treat American citizens poorly, as it's OUR money!

[cali]

1. I don't really get the point of this post. Yes, the disrespect from Netanyahu

and others in the Israeli government is repugnant, but what's more repugnant to me is the blind allegiance of U.S. politicians to Israel, no matter what they do.

Oh, and no Israel wouldn't be annihilated without U.S. funds.

[TheNutcracker]

2. I disagree. The point is, we are supposed to be friends and allies. Do you treat your friends like

this? And do look at the funding for the last 25 years....

[Nay]

5. Agreed. For a country that we support with gobs of $$$, if Netti has a beef, visit

the Prez quietly and talk. Since Netti decided to show his ass, I hope ass gets shown back at him.

[cali]

9. yeah, but your complaint is really rather pointless.

My point is that the basis of the problem in the U.S. Israel relationship, is here in the U.S., and because it's in the U.S., it's something we can address. It's difficult but it's not impossible. We have no say over internal Israeli affairs.

[karynnj]

26. Agreed - did you see the Peter Beinart article in Haaretz?

He is flat out against the long term American Jewish position that we cannot speak against any Israeli actions. His title is that the peace process is over - and the pressure process needs to start. This ignores that it is really not the small percent of the population that is Jewish that are pushing the American position.

My entire adult life, American Jewish leaders have been telling Americans that Israel can save itself. Just wait until Israel gains a respite from terror, they said; then its silent, two-state majority will roar. Give Israelis constant reassurance; never pressure them. If they know “the United States is right next to them,” Malcolm Hoenlein of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations promised Barack Obama in 2009, Israeli leaders will “take risks” for peace.

Israel has been disproving that theory throughout the Netanyahu era. Now, with this election, Israel has killed it.
<snip>

This campaign, in other words, offered an excellent test of the theory that the American Jewish establishment has peddled for decades. And look what happened. In the absence of Palestinian violence and American pressure, Jewish Israelis at first pretended the Palestinians did not exist. “As Israeli election nears, peace earns barely a mention,” noted Reuters. During a 90-minute debate in late February, eight candidates, together, mentioned the word “peace” only five times. And three of those mentions came from the Arab candidate.

<snip> (He speaks of Adelson being more a voice than AIPAC and the Jewish community failing to admit failure on peace.)

We must too. “Power,” said the great American abolitionist Frederick Douglass, “concedes nothing without a demand.” For almost half a century, Israel has wielded brutal, undemocratic, unjust power over millions of human beings in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. And as this election makes clear, Israel will concede nothing on its own. This isn’t because Jewish Israelis are different than anyone else. It’s because they are the same. Which leaves just one question: how best to make the demand? The boycott, divestment and sanctions movement offers one path. In the wake of Netanyahu’s win, it will grow, gaining more mainstream support. But the logic of the BDS movement is toward a single binational state that, while tempting to some liberals in theory, would in practice likely mean civil war. It would also mean the end of the one state in the world that has as its mission statement the protection of Jewish life. Those of us who still believe in such a state, alongside a Palestinian one need another way.

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.647682

This is from a self designated liberal Zionist, who rejects out of hand a binational state (the type of inclusive state we recommend everywhere else in the world). This goes beyond the many despairing articles that questioned during the last Gaza war if liberal Zionism is intellectually feasible. One point was that it absolutely depended on a 2 state solution.


Kerry was given a lot of grief about a year ago when he spoke of the danger of Israel becoming an apartheid state. With Netanyahu's public swing to the right declaring no 2 state solution, the fig leaf of a peace process is gone.

When the election results came in, I felt as devastated as on that awful day in 2004. Then my country clearly voted for fear, ugliness and a malevolent government disliked the world over rather than voting for a change to one of the country's most honest and decent politicians. This week, a country that I am connected to by religion, did absolutely the same thing. I am not arguing that either Kerry or Herzog are saints, but in both cases, it was a clear choice on the direction of the country. If anything, the despicable actions of Netanyahu in the last month made their choice even clearer.

[Joe Chi Minh]

64. Respect for Israel's desire not to be annihilated

You seem to forget the recent confrontation with the Palestinians in Gaza.

If you were fighting for your life, would you not lose some respect for your closest ally, if they suddenly started joining the insane cry of the so-called, 'international community', in effect, that they should allow themselves to be 'suicided' by the Palestinians: losers, with a number of Arabic countries, of a would-be war of conquest, and yet given back some of the land they had lost in the battle, by ther conquerors, Israel?

In view of all the other causes of the austerity the Haves have been inflicting on the Have Nots, since Little Ronnie's day (as they used to call him in Hollywood) I can appreciate feelings of resentment at the perception that Israel is making food from their mouths, but were it true, it would still be a drop in the ocean, and we have a debt we can never repay to the Jews for our religion.

However, I have the impression, rightly or wrongly, that the commerce between Israel and the US is a two-way street, and the US benefits in return. Whether it is proportionate, I don't know, but it would evidently, as I say, be a drop in the ocean compared to the other rip-offs immiserating your people. We suffer similarly in the UK of course, since the glorious days of Baroness, Lady Cardboard.

[sabrina 1]

71. What the world saw but apparently you missed over the past several criminal assaults

on Gaza, was thousands of innocent Palestinians slaughtered, at least one THIRD OF THEM CHILDREN.

It was a despicable display in front of the world and lost all sympathy for Israel from around the globe.

It showed a total lack of respect for human life, and exposed Netanyahu's REAL goals, which we now know to be true, NO two state solution.

Kerry needs to retract his apology for his comments last year, and CLARIFY them now that the truth is out there.

Boycotts hopefully will increase, and if this was really a Democracy all of our tax dollars going to that 'apartheid' state should be cut off until these decades long games cease.

The days of people being intimidated by the old 'anti-semitic' false accusations are OVER. Get serious about peace talks or you're on your own, just as would happen with any other nation that has shown NO inclination to change its ways.

Enough of these right wing morons being funded by this country when we have children right here who go to bed hungry every night.

[awoke_in_2003]

86. And don't forget

Israel basically creating a Warsaw like ghetto environment for the Palestinians to live in

[TRoN33]

61. 3+billions of Muslims...

They are fed up with Netanyahu's thuggish rule. Of course Israel will be annihilated without US support. Netanyahu even would love to see Americans killed in name of protect his newly fascist Israel state.

Fuck Netanyahu.

[TheNutcracker]

3. Kick to address this disrespect....

gads.

[JI7]

4. no they wouldn't

[yeoman6987]

6. We give military equipment not money

Of course without our equipment they would have to buy their own so you are somewhat right.

[TheNutcracker]

12. Is the equipment free? Or do you and I pay for it?

[Fantastic Anarchist]

79. We subsidize their purchase of our weapons. n/t

[Fred Sanders]

27. It is 100% right! Military aid is money!

[cascadiance]

7. It's time to take down AIPAC here, and isolate it as a political power here!

[hootinholler]

11. That's a good start

Most in the US don't know about AIPAC. They also don't know that it harbors spies and other operatives.

[2banon]

56. That's interesting, I hadn't given any thought to AIPAC as an Espionage org.

but duh.. of course they would! thanks for point that out!

[hootinholler]

65. They've been caught at it

I don't have time to google it out, but it happened since 2001.

[TheNutcracker]

13. I agree.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. No nation that has 200 to 400 nuclear weapons is going to be annihilated...

No nation that has 200 to 400 nuclear weapons is going to be annihilated without taking tens if not hundreds of millions with them. North Korea has made themselves bullet proof because they have one or two nuclear weapons that nobody is sure they will work.

Israel has a gross domestic product of 300 billion dollars of which U S military and foreign aid represents about three percent of it.


That being said nothing can be sadder than Israel's right wing turn and re-election of a Netanyahu-Likud coalition.

[TheNutcracker]

14. Then let's get to the bottom of this nasty way they have taken. Since when do we take this kind of

shit?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. I agree you with you about Netanyahu's behavior. It's alternately deplorable and depressing.

My contention is that a nation that's armed to the teeth and has nuclear weapons isn't going anywhere.

[olegramps]

22. If it was a Republican who was receiving this disrespect, they would be up in arms.

It is being both tolerated and encouraged by the rabid racist Republicans who hate the "n....er" in the White House. I have family in the South and they are incensed with hatred for President Obama.

[Nitram]

24. Israel has a small population, much of which is conmcentrated in Tel Aviv.

One dirty bomb, one chemical or biological attack could permanently and mortally wound the country.

[Telcontar]

72. And the Middle East would be scoured clean of life

Arabic would be an extinct language

[HoosierCowboy]

25. What happens when Russian nuclear IRBMs show up

..in Iran under joint Russian/Iranian control? Keep beating the war drums on Iran and it will happen. Back to square one and Israel is in the same position the US was in 1948 when Russia got nuclear capability.
No longer will they be able to destroy their enemies with impunity. They may have 200 nuclear weapons some of them undoubtedly aimed at Russia and Iran, but Israel itself can be totally destroyed by only one or two.

Does Bibi think that the US is going to sacrifice New York, Chicago, or LA for Tel Aviv? What's he been smoking?

[former9thward]

33. What have you been smoking?

No Israeli thinks the U.S. is going to sacrifice anything for Tel Aviv. Israel has defended itself without U.S. military involvement in war after war.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. Isn't it immaterial?

These are literally Biblical apocalyptic scenarios. it's pure End Time theology.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. So, they have achieved MAD status.

And since much of the world's energy sources are in that area such an exchange would cause a world wide disruption not seen since The Flood. It would probably reverse the modern era.

[olegramps]

29. I have written about this on a couple of occasions.

It seems that the fact that Israel has a large nuclear stockpile is totally ignored. What would happen if their policies under Netanyahu that are designed to completely subjugated those living in the occupied territories is challenged by a coalition of Muslim states? Could it result in a dreaded nuclear holocaust? Every thing is about Iran secretly acquiring nuclear bombs, but this is exactly what Israel did with their ultra-secret program. I can't help from wondering if they didn't have our misguided help or perhaps the UK.

[jeff47]

44. They stole or "stole" them from the US.

The presence of quotes depends on who you ask.

[2banon]

53. Agree completely. Interesting side note about the number of nukes Israel has..

as in your posts, I've been seeing the number 400 nuclear missiles recently, but several years ago (early 2000's) it was revealed the number was well over 800 back then, (Israel denied having any at all) .. i keep wondering how the number came to be established as 400. Do you know? .

[DemocratSinceBirth]

57. I can't believe they have 800 nukes...That's more than the rest of the world combined...

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I can't believe they have 800 nukes...That's more than the rest of the world combined, save the U S and Russia.

To the question of how many they have, it's folks guessing, albeit making educated guesses.

[2banon]

70. Is it? I was always under the impression that we had thousands just here in the U.S. ?

I guess the numbers vary from report to report and maybe other factors over the years.

Haven't made a point of keeping track.. but you're right that 400 number seems to be the general consensus at this juncture. I just went over to Wikipedia to grab the name of the whistle blower who was largely responsible for revealing to the world Israeli's nuclear programs, did a cursory check on the number he reported at the time but wiki's numbers isn't close to the number i recall Vanunu mentioned after his release from prison. Unfortunately, all it takes is one.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

74. Yeah, Russia and the U S have about 8, 000 nukes each, down from 20,000 each because of SALT!!!

But after that no country has more than 300 that has been verified.

I don't think folks realize how catastrophic it would be for the world if some nation fired off four hundred of them... It would be carnage of Biblical proportions.

[AlbertCat]

62. Israel has a gross domestic product of 300 billion dollars of which U S military

... and foreign aid represents about three percent of it.


Oh good.


Then we can stop supporting them. Maybe spend it on a country that's not a pain in the ass.

[Baitball Blogger]

10. I think there's something peculiarly conspiratorial when you have

right-wingers in Congress and a leader of a foreign nation so mutually dismissive about a sitting president.

[TheNutcracker]

16. Exactly. It is now Israel that makes me feel unsafe! Take that Netti!

[madokie]

15. I want OUR money stopped

no more until the Israeli learn some manners and how to get along with their neighbors
Israel is in the wrong here not anyone else.

[procon]

18. Not annihilated,

But forced to actually work together with all the regional stakeholders to engage in honest diplomatic efforts to finally initiate a viable solution, would not be a bad thing.

[secondwind]

19. we subsidize the healthcare for every man, woman and child in Israel n/t

[TheNutcracker]

30. While they try to kill healthcare subsidies here! Israel should be able to stand on their own with

their citizen 'entitlements' paid for by US.

[HoosierCowboy]

20. Israel has no support anywhere in the world

Except for the USA and the UK. It's just a matter of time before the expanding Muslim population in the UK cuts Israel loose. Soon the only support Israel will get from the USA will be from Bible Beaters whose sole motivation is to convert Jews to Christianity, and burn the rest that don't.


Does Bibi understand this yet?

[mountain grammy]

21. Huge kick. We've become enablers.

[Nitram]

23. The U.S. should withhold financial support to Israel until...

...they re-commit to the peace process and a two-state solution. That's what we do with other intransigent countries, Israel should be no exception.

[WinkyDink]

43. History is your friend:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/18/opinion/go-ahead-ruin-my-day.html

"It would be wrong, though, to put all of this on Netanyahu. The insane, worthless Gaza war that Hamas initiated last summer that brought rockets to the edge of Israel’s main international airport and the Palestinians’ spurning of two-state offers of previous Israeli prime ministers (Ehud Barak and Ehud Olmert) built Netanyahu’s base as much as he did."

[DisgustipatedinCA]

58. Tom Friedman appears to be your friend.

He's been wrong about pretty much everything for at least 15 years.

[Nitram]

67. What about the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin?

[cpwm17]

77. You mean this Thomas Friedman?

This Thomas Friedman has major difficulties with morality and the truth, as can be seen in your lie-filled excerpt and this repulsive video.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

80. What a disgusting piece of bloviating, globalist shit, that guy is.

Ughhh, he loves the sound of his own voice.

Such a man, Thomas Friedman is. "Because we could."

Suck on this, Friedman!

[cpwm17]

82. You're right

He pulls his opinions out of his ass and he thinks he's brilliant for doing so.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

83. That mustache and that smugness belong in the 70s ...

... and nowhere near the 21st century.

Ughh, I'm mad at you for "making" me watch that video!

[Fred Sanders]

28. American U.N. vetoes protecting Israel are not going to have the cover of even a pretend peace process....

If Israel wants apartheid and permanent occupation of Palestine, then let them be fully the piranha state they want to be and suffer the full consequences.

[Nuh Uh]

31. I think there something we're forgetting

The biggest reason we fund Israel besides the cheerleaders who do it for religious reasons, is the fact that they are one of the top innovators in advanced weapons development and we do not want them selling to other countries; weapons that could challenge us down the road.

[mwrguy]

32. Cut them loose

Enough is enough.

[WinkyDink]

40. Exactly what does that facile expression mean?

[Comrade Grumpy]

75. Quit providing cover for their crimes at the UN and quit funding them.

[mwrguy]

84. Exactly that.

[TheKentuckian]

46. Yeah, unleash Michael Corleone!

That would be my reaction, when it doubt put heads to bed and settle all scores.

[NCTraveler]

34. Very interesting. It is about respect with an admission to annihilation....

without US support.

[fleabiscuit]

36. Where's your beef?

$3 billion a year seem pretty cheap for empire expansion in that part of the world. It keeps the immediate danger localized there. The perceived tension between bb and President Obama just tenderizes Tehran into negotiating, so who's playing who? Now the letter between the 47 idiots and Tehran, ya that was just pure stupidity and greed. Kinda the GOP motto.

[MohRokTah]

37. All the president needs to do is direct our UN representative to the Security Council to abstain in

a single vote about Israel.

Just one.

That's all it would take. Israel would fall all over itself to make up with the US.

And Obama has the power to do so. He needs nothing from Congress.

[cali]

39. Maybe under some other PM, but Netanyahu? I don't think so.

[MohRokTah]

41. Sure he can.

The best one would be the Palestinian call for the international court.

Fuck Israel. They fucked us, time for us to fuck them.

[WinkyDink]

38. Really? Is Israel a colony of ours? How do you feel about Egypt?

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2014/04/225147.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/15/world/middleeast/kerry-promises-decisions-soon-on-iran-deal-and-restoration-of-military-aid-to-egypt.html?_r=0

[allan01]

45. i have always felt that the MODERN state of

i have always felt that the MODERN state of Israel and NOT the one mentioned in the bible is a terror state and so are we for funding its defense i agree with the poster .

[2naSalit]

47. Funding info

Some interesting info here...


http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/usaid.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_States_relations

http://journalistsresource.org/studies/international/foreign-policy/u-s-foreign-aid-to-israel-2014-congressional-report

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.611001

[Mosby]

54. if americans knew is a hate site

According to the southern poverty law center.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

81. Please source your assertion. n/t

[Mosby]

85. Allison Weir is an Antisemite

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http://archive.adl.org/israel/anti_israel/alison_weir/anti-semitism.html?m_flipmode=3

http://ifamericansknewalisonweir.com/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/05/04/1206902/-An-Apology-for-the-Counterpunch-Diary#

[Thespian2]

48. Israel can do without US money

some say. Take away all military equipment transfers, all the billions sent from the US government, stop forgiving Israel's debts to the US, and stop all US non-profits from sending them money. Then, we will know if they depend upon US tax-payer money or not.

Those billions could help house the homeless, feed the hungry, and clothe the poor. Oh, yes. Jesus said we should do those things. Not the Republican Jesus, of course.

[oldandhappy]

49. Israel is going to be annihilated anyway.

The money from us and the adulation from the far right churches and the disrespect on their side for their neighbors just makes it quicker.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

69. How do you annihilate a nation armed to the teeth with four hundred nukes?

North Korea bombs a much stronger South Korea's vessels, kidnaps their citizens, and murders their diplomats but South Korea takes it because they know a war with North Korea will be the end of both of them and North Korea has six nukes that experts openly question whether or not they will work.

Given the location of Israel and its enemies and its importance to the world because that's where most of the world's energy sources are, a nuclear exchange there would probably set the world back four centuries.

It would truly be the "End Times" that the Bible prophesizes.

[oldandhappy]

73. exactly!

[RufusTFirefly]

50. Alexander Haig got one thing right.

Secretary of State Alexander M. Haig’s observation 30 years ago still resonates today: “Israel is the largest American aircraft carrier in the world that cannot be sunk, does not carry even one American soldier, and is located in a critical region for American national security.”

Source: Foreign Policy

[world wide wally]

51. The US is Israel's surrogate army and Republicans love the idea of our armed forces

being involved in any war...even under the direction of this one particular "foreign power".
It must trace back to the religion thing. Would we do as much for Brazil?

[wildbilln864]

52. Ray McGovern - Does Israel act like a U.S. ally?

[B2G]

55. I thought no one wanted to 'annihilate' them.

Aren't you kind of making their point in regards to Iran?

[Mosby]

60. great point.

It's a tacit admission that Israel is surrounded by countries that want to eliminate Israel and it's citizens.

[bowens43]

59. we should have stopped all financial and military support long ago.

[SoapBox]

63. I agree with the OP.

[fleabiscuit]

66. Most Americans just don't understand the Israeli parliamentary system.

BB is already backtracking his hard-line talk up to the election. His ‘land-side’ lined up about 25% of the votes his party has. Now the deal making starts. It’s GOP cronyism to the max. The house republicans probably think they pulled a fast one by hosting him, but he was the one playing them. I can hardly believe anyone here would think President Obama doesn’t know exactly what is going on and won't take advantage of it.

[philosslayer]

68. Wait.... what?

Annihilated by who? When? How would this happen exactly?

An Israel with less funding by the U.S. would have less weaponry. Less OFFENSIVE weaponry. And would be less of a threat to their neighbors. Who exactly do you think is the aggressor in the Middle East right now?

If anything, without the U.S. and our money the Middle East would be a more peaceful place.

[Man from Pickens]

76. an estimated 300 nuclear weapons says otherwise

if Israel is annihilated, they're taking everyone with them.

There's no profit in nuclear war (unlike conventional war) which is why we haven't seen any nukes fly since Nagasaki.

[TheNutcracker]

78. The ongoing disrespect, the hype that Netti will now make it hard for Obama for the next two years,

while we continue to help and respect them?

THIS is an election day sentiment from them, via our media to us? Again...wtf.

[Martin Eden]

87. I doubt the "annihilation" part, but +1 S T O P T H E F U N D I N G

Not because Bibi disrespects Obama, but because we are essentially funding the Israeli settlement building that is explicitly against UN resolutions and our own official policy.

Our support of Israel no matter what they do or how many Palestinian civilians they kill gives credence to those in the region who call us the "Great Satan." Our "special" relationship with Israel is counterproductive to our own national security.

[TheNutcracker]

88. As far back as this funding of nukes paid for by us goes, we have protected them.

It's about the DISRESPECT!

[Martin Eden]

89. It's about a LOT MORE than DISRESPECT

It violates our own policies and alleged principles when we enable Israel to continually violate UN resolutions on settlements and repress/kill large numbers of Palestinian civilians. But more than that, giving Israel financial & military aid regardless of their policies and actions is counterproductive to our own national security. Not only does this earn the enmity of Arabs in the Middle East (making us targets of terrorism) it also send the message to hardliners in the Israeli government that they can get away with derailing any peace process, including the nuclear negotiations with Iran. A war with Iran would be disastrous, but that is apparently what Netanyahu wants -- and will apparently get, unless our "special" relationship with Israel becomes reciprocal.