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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMika vs. Jose Gonzolas, Joe Scum, & the rest of the boys. REALLY?..
Everyone on the set of scum, under the desk servicing Gonzoles.
This is outrageous! But what else is new in the world of progressives.
Put Gonzales up against Maddow for a real debate. Never will happen!
malaise
(268,718 posts)Torture is not torture
Ninga
(8,273 posts)challenging him....
I dare and double dare Gonzoles to debate Maddow....
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)and he doesn't like strong women.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,824 posts)TahitiNut
(71,611 posts)When the head fellator, HF2, is there you can count on apologetics for neocon excesses.
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http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/closeread/2012/04/jose-rodriguez-60-minutes-torture.html
[font size=5]Jose Rodriguez and the Ninety-Two Tapes[/font]
Posted by Amy Davidson
.... Rodriguez did not forthrightly argue that torturethe contained drowning of waterboarding, slapping and stress positions, keeping detainees in a cramped confinement box with an insect, keeping them naked and awake for days on end by any means necessary, holding electric drills to their heads and telling them that their female family members would be raped in Middle Eastern prisonswas an awful necessity when there was no other option. Instead, he underplayed what he and his operatives had done (making suspects uncomfortable) and bragged about its use in proving the manhood of the torturer (We needed to get everybody in government to put their big boy pants on and provide the authorities that we needed; The objective is to let him know theres a new sheriff in town.). He talked as if torture were an expression of strength, rather than momentary domination masking the most abject moral and practical weakness.
That sour mix of false pride and real shame runs through Rodriguezs story. One of the acts he is best known for is the destruction of ninety-two video tapes documenting the multiple waterboardings of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who planned the September 11th attacks, and Abu Zubaydah, an alleged Al Qaeda operative, in secret prisonstapes that he had been explicitly told to preserve as part of an official investigation. (As Dana Priest notes, a minor, mechanical disclosure in his book is that the means of destruction was an industrial-strength shredder that can chew through hundreds of pounds of material in a single hour, with five spinning and two stationary blades.) Rodriguez loudly repeats that he had authorization for everything he didthat he was a good soldierand then smashed up the best evidence, saying that they were ugly visuals and would endanger his men. Whether the danger was legal or from terrorists is ambiguous; the ugliness, though, is clear. ....
Nor can it make torture work. Jane Mayer has written definitiveaccounts of how the C.I.A. badly lost its way in both cases, and how much of our countrys identity was compromised. The rationalization that Rodriguez and others give is, first, that we learned so much, and, second, that these guys just deserved it. But did we learn anything from torture, except about ourselves? There is much evidence to suggest that Rodriguez and others are simply lying when they claim that the torture produced reliable intelligence. Ali Soufan, who, as an interrogator with the F.B.I., did learn something from K.S.M. and other suspects, has written extensively about how they stopped, rather than started, coming up with anything really valuable once the C.I.A. started going on about big-boy pants. On Monday, Senators Dianne Feinstein and Carl Levin, respectively the chairmen of the Senate Intelligence and Armed Services Committees, who are involved in a three-year Senate investigation of the C.I.A.s use of harsh interrogation techniques, issued a joint press release that said,
Statements made by Mr. Rodriguez and other former senior government officials about the role of the CIA interrogation program in locating Usama bin Laden (UBL) are inconsistent with CIA records. ....
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