I Just Realized Why Conservatives Like Dick Cheney HATE Jimmy Carter So Much.

[TrollBuster9090]

I just realized why conservatives HATE Jimmy Carter so much, and why they constantly compare Obama to Carter. Especially Dick Cheney....

Because Carter brokered a PEACE TREATY between Egypt and Israel in 1979, and made the only real progress towards a lasting peace in the middle east since Israel was created. Now their heads are exploding over the prospect of Obama doing the same thing.

[liberal N proud]

1. Obama waited until his second term to do the peace work for good reason

Carter was attacked for it and it may or may not have been a factor in his defeat.

[TrollBuster9090]

4. Yes, and it's also tragic that the American public thinks "LEADERSHIP" is when a President

'leads' a country through war, as opposed to taking meaningful, effective steps to PREVENT war. That one always boggles my mind. How all of the history books praise the political leaders who were essentially too stupid to take the actions that were necessary to PREVENT wars from happening.

[TeamPooka]

33. this

[Ed Suspicious]

43. yes!

[aquart]

50. +1

[elleng]

2. Yes, that AND he's a REAL Christian,

NOT to be compared with the fakes, talking and pretending all over the place!

[TrollBuster9090]

6. As a Christian I wouldn't call Obama a 'real' Christian, but he's definitely closer than most of

them. And so is Carter.

[elleng]

8. My point was that CARTER is a 'real' Christian.

I see NO reason to diminish President Obama's Christianity, even tho he doesn't teach it in Sunday school as does Carter. Prez O certainly behaves the way we are told Christians should behave, doing unto others, no doubt in my mind about that. (What have I missed? I am not a Christian.)

[TrollBuster9090]

10. Yes, I'm agreeing with you. :)

[elleng]

11. :hi:

[TeamPooka]

34. I wouldn't call you a real Christian either for that comment. nt

[TrollBuster9090]

37. Believe it or not, neither would I. I call myself a Christian, but fall far, FAR short of what I

of what I consider a 'real' Christian to be.

[TheDebbieDee]

3. A lasting Middle-East peace means that companies like Cheney's

won't be able to make as $ developing and selling weapons systems to both sides!!!!!!!!

Peace is bad news for GE - Defense, Halliburton and many other weapons manufacturers.

[TrollBuster9090]

5. I guess that's what Cheney meant when he said

it will take DECADES to dig our way out of the "mess" that Obama has made. "Mess" being a TRAGIC PEACE that will damage his family fortune, and limit the war industry's profits for decades to come.

[PBass]

19. OMG I love this... "tragic peace"

Great post.

[Aerows]

21. + 100000000

Cheney hates peace in the Middle East because it drives down oil prices, and he hates that.

[pangaia]

27. This shows one of the great misunderstandings about

the PNAC's invasion of Iraq.
It was not to take over the oil and sell lots of it to make money .If they did that, then the price of oil would drop and the Saudis and everybody else would be really pissed.
The real reason was to take over the Iraqi oil fields and LIMIT production to drive the price up and keep it there.
...Among too many other money making reasons too numerous to list.

[Aerows]

28. Yep

Cheney and company detest low oil prices. It removes reasons for their pricey drilling equipment, doesn't make their friends in the MIC money rebuilding after "freeing the shit" out of people, and most of all, their profits drop.

They absolutely despise the fact that oil prices have dropped. $4 a gallon under Bush, $2 a gallon under Obama. Enough said.

[Kalidurga]

31. On another thread I fake quoted Cheney

"Obama broke the war wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" I am glad I am not the only one to make the connection.

[shenmue]

7. Because he's a decent human being

[smirkymonkey]

9. Chaney is evil incarnate.

He hates goodness because it makes him acutely aware of how evil he is. He despises anything that reminds him of it.

[notemason]

13. Had a dream

that reps from Heaven and Hell were involved in furious discussions over finding a new place for Dick Cheney. Neither side wants him.

[smirkymonkey]

16. Sounds about right!

[Paka]

58. Thanks for a great morning giggle.

[Ikonoklast]

65. Jimmy Carter scrapes stuff off his shoes when he's out building houses that is better than Cheney.

One of the few people that have held that office as of late who have never tried to either enrich himself or his family using his former position, instead decided to help those in the greatest need.

A man who was stabbed in the back by his own party.

[randr]

12. Wasn't Haliburton found guilty of trading with the Iranians.

I seem to recall a record fine against them for this.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

14. The right wing on BOTH sides hated the deal....

When is the world going to grow up and stop letting these people gain power?

It's a conflict between OUR right wing and THEIR right wing and too many innocents are caught in the crossfire.

[Enthusiast]

15. Peace is bad for business.

[Mr.Bill]

17. Carter is the only president in my lifetime (I'm in my 60s)

during whose term not one uniformed member of the US military was killed by enemy fire.

It makes me want to vomit when I see Bush posing with dismembered military people like he is doing something wonderful. I wish one of them would spit in his face.

[LiberalArkie]

22. Totally agree.. I am 67 and Carter is the man

[BeanMusical]

51. +1

[Thespian2]

63. Great comment

Hi, youngsters! I am very happy that the first national political campaign I worked on was the one that elected Carter.

[wolfie001]

18. Another reason that war criminal holds Carter in contempt......

As Walter Mondale famously said: 'We told the truth, we obeyed the law, we kept the peace'. To hell with the Repukes.

[TrollBuster9090]

38. Great quite! "We told the truth, we obeyed the law, we kept the peace.' nt

[wolfie001]

69. It's stuck with me for many years.

Raygun couldn't say it. He was quite the liar on top of losing his marbles and all.

[Leith]

20. I Agree

Republicans love warmongers.

In the past 40 years:

Democratic Administrations:
Worked for peace between Arabs and Israelis
Worked for peace in Northern Ireland
Carter got peace prize
Al Gore got the peace prize for climate change
Good economies (except for the malaise of the 1970s - hardly the fault of Carter)
Health Care
Energy conservation
Upon retirement, do charity work (Habitat for Humanity, Clinton Foundation)

Republican Administrations:
Start unnecessary wars and invade random countries
Had the biggest terrorist actions against Americans (Beirut, World Trade Center)
Energy splurge
Economies were below par
Upon retirement, paint pictures of themselves in the bathtub and make speeches for corporation for big bucks

It's no contest. Republicans are eating themselves up with jealousy over not getting international recognition for what they've done and they can't understand why. They refuse to believe that they have to do something besides make their buddies richer.

[Mr.Bill]

23. I agree.

Name a Republican ex-president that can travel to pretty much any country in the world and validate an election like Carter has done.

[TrollBuster9090]

39. Name one Republican ex-president that ever did ANYTHING for a poor person, let alone build a house

for one. Let alone several hundred of them.

[DAMANgoldberg]

52. Gen. Dwight Eisenhower

He would be a democrat today if he were running.

[Bluzmann57]

24. Very good post!

I think I'll write an ltte to the local paper. May I use some of your words? Very impressive.

[Leith]

35. I'd Be Honored

and flattered. The words are hereby yours and anyone else who likes them.

[mountain grammy]

46. +1000

[47of74]

53. Add to that...

...Cheney, Bush, and others in his admin can't leave the US lest they get arrested for war crimes.

[Demeter]

25. Obama will not be brokering a peace treaty with anyone, anywhere, at any time

I am sorry to burst your bubble.

The best we can hope for is that he won't follow Israel into any other armed conflict, nor let Bibi blackmail him into shedding blood and treasure for another Middle East conflagration.

[mountain grammy]

48. He's not in the process of brokering a peace treaty

that would involve the Senate, and that's a dead end. He's working on a deal, along with our allies, to have a working relationship with Iran, a powerful adversary.

I think we can hope for more than Obama not just following Israel. He's leading a powerful block of nations who have an interest in peace. I'm hoping for a good outcome.

[craigmatic]

26. There is no money on peace that's why republicans hate democrats and love war so much.

[Scootaloo]

29. Not quite...

After all, the US had pretty minimal involvement in the treaty - we provided some polish after Israel and Egypt had done all the heavy lifting on their own.

No, Republicans hate Carter because he understood that the measure of a nation isn't its treasury or military, but its citizenry. And in my opinion, he was the last president who not only got that, but actually applied it. i think Obama 'gets it," but he's so snared up in "politics as usual" where guns and gold rule the day that actually implementing hte ideal doesn't seem terribly forthcoming.

[mstinamotorcity2]

30. Jimmy Carter was a

name spoken highly of in my home. My mother thought he was reasonable and he was smarter than folks gave him credit for. Its been about 40 years since he was in office. And back then he was energy and climate conscious. Anybody remember the Aries K car. It got around 35 miles to the gallon. He was cool with a K. It was how I got interested in politics. What gets me with this whole Iran and Israeli thing is, there is only one President that I most definitely know gave Iran some weapons and stood in front of the whole World and said " The United States doesn't cut deals with terrorists" and he was a Republican.

[Leith]

36. I Could Never Understand the So-Called "Moral Majority"

They claimed to be so hyped up to get a president who was a good Christian, but turned their backs on the real deal and turned to a divorced, former union head, Hollywood insider who hadn't seen the inside of a church in decades. That's when I became a Democrat.

[Mr.Bill]

47. There was a popular bumper sticker during that era:

The Moral Majority is Neither.

[calimary]

62. And it was spot on then as much as it's STILL spot on now.

[MFrohike]

32. It's kind of funny

Carter's great sin was suggesting the US had made mistakes at times. It wasn't a diatribe against America, it was an observation that Vietnam and the 60s had happened and the country needed to assess the results. That was unpardonable for many people because it was hard. That was about it.

The funny part is that when they criticize Carter, they ignore his continuance of his predecessors' policies in many areas. The Carter Doctrine? That was just NATO or ASEAN applied to a different region. The global war on the left? No, I'm pretty sure the killers of Rutillio Grande and Oscar Romero were trained at the School of the Americas (I said the left because there was a world of difference between Soviet imperialism and Romero's criticisms of Salvadoran society). Reagan's much-bloviated arms race? Pretty sure it got its start in 1979-80, with the growing resentment of Soviet adventurism. The difference are really ones of degree. Carter wouldn't play fast and loose like the idiots in the Reagan administration and he was less willing to write a blank check to DoD, but that was about it.

Aside from the first paragraph, the reason Cheney doesn't like Carter is because Cheney hates anyone not as warped as himself. He's so far gone into his fantasy of empire creation that he can't stand anyone who disagrees even a bit.

[Scuba]

41. Nailed it!

[samsingh]

42. yes

[sadoldgirl]

44. I don't think that Carter's peace making

got the Evil one angry. Carter was farsighted and wanted to
use solar power instead of oil for instance.

Halliburton could never tolerate that kind of thinking. They
needed and still need the world to use oil for profit.

Carter's solar roof on the WH was therefore destroyed
by Reagan.

[Major Hogwash]

45. Plus the fact, President Carter didn't go to war with Iran over the hostage situation.

Instead, President Carter used diplomacy to try to get the hostages freed.

Then the next year, in 1980, Saint Ronnie -- the B-rate has-been actor that all of the Republicans thought never did anything wrong -- said "public criticism of the President of the United States during the campaign stops at the water's edge."
In other words, foreign policy was off the table while Reagan ran for President.

Then about 5 minutes later, Reagan started bashing President Carter over his way of handling the Iranian hostage situation.



Cheney is a hypocrite, just like Reagan, just like their hero, Nixon.
Reagan never said a bad word publicly about Nixon.
Reagan may not have liked him, but he never criticized him.
Because he wanted Nixon's donors and supporters to support him later on, when he ran for President.

While Cheney adored Nixon, even worked for him; thought that Nixon was just great.

Yeah, great, sure, yeah, right.
The only President to ever resign from the office of the President!!!!!

Nixon was a great crook, that's for sure.
A great loser, a great big mistake!!!

On top of which, Nixon was an anti-Semite!
While talking to H.R. Haldeman one day, Nixon referred to Kissinger "as a Jew", and that conversation was recorded in the infamous White House tapes.
As if Kissinger being Jewish somehow made any difference whatsoever in Kissinger's advice to Tricky Dick!!

[harun]

59. Yeah, Carter never bombed anyone, and is proud of it. The last president who can say that.

[staggerleem]

66. Carter even had a deal worked out for the return of the hostages in Iran.

But the Reagan campaign squashed it - actually told Iran's leaders to KEEP the hostages until after the election, because Carter would have won if he had managed to get them home. Did nobody find it at least a little bit odd that the hostages were released at practically the same moment that Reagan was being inaugurated? "Hold 'em until I'm in office, and I'll make you RICH, and sell you some weapons (from ISRAEL, no less!) besides!"

And later on in his Presidency, when Henry Hyde pushed a budget amendment through making it illegal for the President to use federal funds to finance the South American Death Squads, he and his CIA pals put together the "Drugs for Guns" deal, and essentially CREATED the Crack addiction epidemic.

So, as Stephen Colbert would ask: "Great President, or the GREATEST President?"

[TrollBuster9090]

67. Yeah, I'd forgotten about that. So, technically, this is the SECOND time that Republicans have

Technically this is the SECOND time that Republicans have colluded with Iranian hardliners to humiliate a Democratic President. I guess that's where Tom Cotton got his idea. (Just trying to be more like St. Ronny.)

The Reagan election campaign had convinced the Iranians to hold onto the hostages until AFTER Reagan took office, specifically to make Carter look bad. It was the beginning of a 'beautiful friendship' between the Reagan Administration and the Iranian govt.

[Major Hogwash]

71. Yes, Reagan's "arms for hostages" deal happened when Cotton was still wearing short shorts.

We can never forget that very significant event whenever discussing Reagan.

It preceded Saint Ronnie's blunder in Lebanon by more than 2½ years.

[staggerleem]

72. We could also discuss Nixon ...

... and how he sabotaged LBJ's peace deal with the Vietnamese. There are recordings in the LBJ library of Johnson speaking about this with Everett Dirkson, how it's "treason", but he didn't want it to get "into the campaign" because he feared it would cause the voting public to lose faith in the whole electoral system.

So, when you think about it, this is pretty much just standard operating procedure for Republicans. If a Democratic President s working on a peace deal, they do what they can to sabotage it. The only difference is that Nixon & Reagan had to do it in secret. Today's Rethuglicans can do it right out in the open, because POTUS is black, and a socialist, and we don't like the pastor at his church and he's a Muslim anyway, so hating on him is perfectly cool ... hell, last year, we even had the Democratic candidates for the Senate & House running away from the President!

Besides, making peace runs absolutely counter to EVERYTHING that Republican America believes in!

[Major Hogwash]

70. What I think happened was, Ayatollah Khomeini took Saint Ronnie a little bit too literally.

When Saint Ronnie told him not to release the hostages until he gets in to the White House, the Ayatollah kept his word until Saint Ronnie was sworn in, by some 20 minutes after the ceremony ended.

It was pretty obvious to the entire world that some shenanigans had been afoot hidden behind the curtains somewhere.

But, the point that the American mainstream media missed in reporting that whole, long ordeal was the outstanding fact that all 55 of the American hostages were returned safely, and relatively unharmed.
They spent 444 days in capitivity, yet none of them were beheaded, and none of them were tortured.

And for that, I grudgingly gave the Ayatollah some respect . . he was a man of his word.

[whereisjustice]

49. Carter worked under Rickover - no small accomplishment. Rickover loved to design/build stuff

and nuclear subs were incredible achievement at the time. It's easy to see why a coward like Cheney would hate a true American hero. Cheney has nothing to compare - only lies, fraud, torture, death, destruction and more death.

Outside my family, the main person, outside of my father, the main man who has had an influence on my life is Admiral Hyman Rickover. I was one of the two young officers in the program to build atomic submarines. There were two built: the Nautilus and the Sea Wolf. I was in charge of the crew that was helping to build the Sea Wolf and building the nuclear power plant that later became a prototype. Rickover was a man who demanded absolute excellence and total dedication from all those who worked under him. He demanded as much from himself. And so he set a standard of commitment and perfection in life that I had never experienced before. He really had a great impact on my life.

[KansDem]

54. Also, not a single shot was fired in the four years Carter was in the White House...

And, as we all know, there's no profit in peace.

[IHateTheGOP]

55. Plus Carter is smart

Republicans are jealous of anyone that has brain cells that work together.

[IronLionZion]

56. Supposedly the US did not drop one bomb during Carter's presidency

and zero American soldiers died in combat. Anyone know if that's true?

[stonecutter357]

57. K&R!

[tartan2]

60. Oh I remember this well!!!!

The President that everyone said was horrible but to this day President Carter demostrates that he is a true humanitarian. Something Dick Cheney is not able to wrap his evil brain around......

[raindaddy]

61. Carter told the truth about our over dependency on fossil fuel...

and if we were living in a culture that cared about the truth he would be given the recognition he deserves.

Jimmy Carter early on realized we needed to start shifting our focus to solar and ween ourselves from the dwindling supplies of oil and coal. Essentially he was taking on the oil industry. That was way back in the early eighties. If we would've followed his advice we would be living in a different world.

Instead we followed Reagan and his greed is good, profit is God, screw the poor and middle class, trickle down, unregulated capitalism... And it's become crystal clear it's unsustainable. Probably deep down in somewhere in the dark corridors of Cheney's brain he know Carter was right and he hates him for it.

Carter is a perfect symbol of what's wrong with the Democratic party. How many times do we hear Democrats running for office eulogizing about how much they respect the great Ronald Reagan? When's the last time we heard Jimmy Carter or FDR mentioned in the same reverential manner? Almost never because they represent a ideology no longer embraced by the the Democratic party. Carter had his flaws but he was probably our last Democratic president.

[Dont call me Shirley]

64. Peace harbors real prosperity.

War is the thief of real prosperity.

Those who seek to create peace create prosperity, Carter. Those who seek war are thieves, cheney.

[WI_DEM]

68. Cheney hates Obama even more.