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TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
Thu May 3, 2012, 01:56 PM May 2012

Obama approval among liberal Dems, week ending April 29: 88%.

Among Democrats as a whole, 83%. Independents, 45%. Republicans, 13%. Approval among whites is 38%, among non-whites it's 73%. Approval is pretty much even between men (46) and women (50). Approval among those 18 to 29 is 60%, compared to 46-47 among those 30 to 64. Geographically, it's pretty much even, varying only from 47% approval in the west and south to 50% in the east.

Bear in mind this is the WEEKLY numbers, which have Obama's approval/disapproval at 48/46, not the DAILY numbers which have him at 51/43. So things have improved since this snapshot was taken. I'm sure the anniversary of Bin Laden getting his ticket punched probably didn't hurt.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

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Obama approval among liberal Dems, week ending April 29: 88%. (Original Post) TheWraith May 2012 OP
So the hoopla about Obama "losing" various groups is not based on statistics. treestar May 2012 #1
Yep. It's "conventional wisdom" in the sense of "here's what we think." TheWraith May 2012 #5
I would say those are very solid numbers then for 4 years. Rex May 2012 #6
Double checking quickly, I was pretty much right. TheWraith May 2012 #8
You might also want to cross-post this in the Politics 2012 forum. Rex May 2012 #11
Rock solid support from liberals? UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #21
Rock solid. Rex May 2012 #42
Looks like it has gone up a few points. Rex May 2012 #2
IBTR! Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #3
#1 I think "liberal" is too subjective a term to quantify, certainly Lionessa May 2012 #4
Maybe, but reading the statistics, there's only one way really to take them... TheWraith May 2012 #7
I know I'm nit picking, but I think it's an important pick Lionessa May 2012 #9
Do you consider yourself a liberal, Wraith? UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #17
I am. TheWraith May 2012 #25
I don't think the wingnuts have changed BumRushDaShow May 2012 #10
Oh, don't sully the party with inconvenient facts gratuitous May 2012 #12
I love watching people try to spin this away. TheWraith May 2012 #26
Whatever is meant by "this" gratuitous May 2012 #31
Yup. It keeps going up. lamp_shade May 2012 #13
Does it factor in the results that many progressives UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #14
What are they now ... Anarchists? Republicans? Libertarians? JoePhilly May 2012 #18
I didn't say they were or weren't liberal, UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #20
Gallup is polling cell phones. Wait Wut May 2012 #27
Isn't everyone on the "do not call" list? UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #29
Nope. In fact, Wait Wut May 2012 #30
I don't remember if I'm on it or not. UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #32
I had forgotten about it... Wait Wut May 2012 #33
That's food for thought. UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #34
Wrong - Your registration will not expire. progressoid May 2012 #35
They must have changed it... Wait Wut May 2012 #36
I'm on it but still get lots of unwanted solicitations. progressoid May 2012 #39
You have to report them. Wait Wut May 2012 #40
There is no evidence that progressives/liberals no longer identify as Democrats. TheWraith May 2012 #24
Yeah. That must be it. Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #38
A few numbers to back up that I'm wrong enough UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #41
I thought not! Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #43
That must have been one hell of a debate. UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #44
Nope. Only crickets! At least you're trying to pretend you know what you're talking about. Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #46
When it comes to President Obama vs R'Money - it only makes sense to see high numbers. jillan May 2012 #15
How about progressive dems? Gallopuke seems to think we don't exist just1voice May 2012 #16
Nonsense n/t Inuca May 2012 #19
That's what "liberal" means. TheWraith May 2012 #22
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #23
Are we still doing the Friday k&r if you like Obama threads? UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #28
Thank you MIRT. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #37
K & R Scurrilous May 2012 #45

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
5. Yep. It's "conventional wisdom" in the sense of "here's what we think."
Thu May 3, 2012, 02:02 PM
May 2012

"And we're not going to burden our speculation with facts."

The stats now are pretty close to exactly what they were circa the 2008 election, actually.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
6. I would say those are very solid numbers then for 4 years.
Thu May 3, 2012, 02:04 PM
May 2012

More the reason I think our POTUS is heading for his second term.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
8. Double checking quickly, I was pretty much right.
Thu May 3, 2012, 02:10 PM
May 2012

Gallup circa December 2008 had him at 88% of liberal Dems, and the actual election results had him winning 43% of white voters. So he's holding with liberals, slipping a little bit with white voters--but there's the inherent problem of comparing approval to actual voting, since there's always a certain portion of people who will gripe and grumble but in the end vote for who they perceive as the least bad choice.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
11. You might also want to cross-post this in the Politics 2012 forum.
Thu May 3, 2012, 02:18 PM
May 2012

True, despite all the criticism and some of it admittedly Obama-bashing will turn right around and vote for him again.

I like the fact that he has had rock solid support for those 4 years from liberals.

Excellent news.

 

Lionessa

(3,894 posts)
4. #1 I think "liberal" is too subjective a term to quantify, certainly
Thu May 3, 2012, 02:02 PM
May 2012

some I've met that claim to be liberal, I would consider Bluedogs.

#2 Comparatively, Obama is looking like the only rational choice which probably effects one's approval rating, sort of as we've seen with Romney's support amongst the wingnuts who are now managing to seem more approving than they did even last week.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
7. Maybe, but reading the statistics, there's only one way really to take them...
Thu May 3, 2012, 02:06 PM
May 2012

That the more liberal you are, the more likely you are to support Obama. Even among Democrats, his support drops off to 79% among moderates, and 73% among conservative Democrats, while he gets 26% from liberal or moderate Republicans and 10% from conservative Republicans.

 

Lionessa

(3,894 posts)
9. I know I'm nit picking, but I think it's an important pick
Thu May 3, 2012, 02:13 PM
May 2012

to suggest that since it is "self-indentified" liberals, it only means that many people who support Obama claim to be liberal, and may even believe themselves to be, but doesn't really assure that they are in fact traditionally "liberal".

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
25. I am.
Thu May 3, 2012, 05:05 PM
May 2012

I much prefer it over "progressive" which I see as kind of an attempt to squirm out of saying that one is a liberal.

BumRushDaShow

(127,331 posts)
10. I don't think the wingnuts have changed
Thu May 3, 2012, 02:17 PM
May 2012

Their propaganda machines may have shifted but the hard core base ain't buying it.

PA's primary only had a 20% turnout, which is remarkable because Presidential election years usually get us up in the 40s, with high-40s for strong primary contests.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
12. Oh, don't sully the party with inconvenient facts
Thu May 3, 2012, 02:20 PM
May 2012

Besides the difficulty with categorizing who might be considered a "liberal," there's also the problem with what "approve" might mean. Does it mean "approval" of each and every program and policy? Is it "approval" over against some hypothetical non-existent Republican administration? Or "approval" against the possibility, however unlikely, of a Romney administration?

The number just gets thrown out there without too much else, and it seems to be brandished as a hedge or a warning against voicing too much opposition to the administration, or to paint such opposition as "outside" where all the kool kidz are, which seems to be a realm where trimming the Constitution to fit this year's fashion is an honorable and ongoing activity.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
26. I love watching people try to spin this away.
Thu May 3, 2012, 05:07 PM
May 2012

It's like arguing what the meaning of "is" is. Some people here are so desperate to deny the fact that the vastly overwhelming majority of liberals do not share their unrealistic and propaganda-based views about the President and the Democrats.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
31. Whatever is meant by "this"
Thu May 3, 2012, 05:34 PM
May 2012

But I know I'm not one of the kool kidz; I just point out that "this" might not be what the kool kidz think it is, either. I still don't approve of summary executions and indiscriminate missile launch blanket reprisals, and I think I stand on pretty firm ground as an American who still trusts our Constitution above any personality cults of the 88%. I remember when George W. Bush's approval ratings were at 90%, and I wasn't one of the kool kidz then, either.

 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
14. Does it factor in the results that many progressives
Thu May 3, 2012, 04:09 PM
May 2012

no longer identify themselves as Democrats? (I canavased for and voted for Obama even though I have been an independent for years. You have to also factor in that these polls don't reach people with unlisted cell phones. (Which includes everyone I know except my mom.) You have to factor in that though these respondents consider themselves "liberal", what they know about Obama's presidency they get from the nightly news or CNN.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
18. What are they now ... Anarchists? Republicans? Libertarians?
Thu May 3, 2012, 04:16 PM
May 2012

btw ... I'm an Obama supporter with an unlisted cell phone. So these polls apparently don't include me, my wife, or my son ... all, Obama supporters.

And last ... when you use a phrase like "these respondents consider themselves liberal" ... what you just said is that YOU get to judge whether or not they ARE actually liberal. Which is kind of like when the far right wing tries to decide who the "Real Christians" are.

You, like them, have a purity test. Weird.

 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
20. I didn't say they were or weren't liberal,
Thu May 3, 2012, 04:41 PM
May 2012

now did I?

Using only land line phones for a poll is going to effect the poll results. No doubt about that.

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
27. Gallup is polling cell phones.
Thu May 3, 2012, 05:21 PM
May 2012

I learned that right here on DU. So, I checked Gallup's site and there it is...they poll cell phones. They haven't called me, yet. I'm one of those Liberal Democrats that approves of our President, along with my husband, so we'd just tic that percentage up a billionth or sumthin'.

I don't know the technicalities of Gallup's cell phone polling. It could be if you are on the "Do Not Call" list they wouldn't have access to your number.

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
30. Nope. In fact,
Thu May 3, 2012, 05:33 PM
May 2012

...you have to re"join" every year(?) or so. I forgot not too long ago and was bombarded with freakin' insurance calls. The husband will get polled, but only because he forwards his business phone to his cell. But Gallup hasn't called, just the GOP...which is hilarious. He's left some tasty comments.

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
33. I had forgotten about it...
Thu May 3, 2012, 05:58 PM
May 2012

...until "it" happened. That first call asking me if I wanted my loved ones to suffer after I died. I couldn't get online fast enough to rejoin DoNotCall. I'm pretty sure I was mumbling unique expletives while I was doing so. But, there's a "waiting period", so I had to endure those calls for a few days. I developed a case of the "get off my lawn"s. I may have made a few of them cry.

progressoid

(49,827 posts)
35. Wrong - Your registration will not expire.
Thu May 3, 2012, 07:13 PM
May 2012
https://www.donotcall.gov/

Your registration will not expire. Telephone numbers placed on the National Do Not Call Registry will remain on it permanently due to the Do-Not-Call Improvement Act of 2007

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
36. They must have changed it...
Thu May 3, 2012, 07:21 PM
May 2012

...with the "Improvement Act", because it absolutely used to expire. 2007? Damn. I swear it wasn't that long ago. But, yeah...I guess that is about right.

Good to know they changed it, but now I feel older than I did 15 minutes ago.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
24. There is no evidence that progressives/liberals no longer identify as Democrats.
Thu May 3, 2012, 05:04 PM
May 2012

In fact, statistics show that those who identify themselves as simply "liberals" and not liberal Democrats are in fact more conservative than liberal Democrats.

But by all means, please keep trying to spin away the fact that the overwhelming majority of liberals support the President and the job he's doing.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,211 posts)
38. Yeah. That must be it.
Thu May 3, 2012, 07:27 PM
May 2012


A few numbers to back up your wild speculation would be nice. Link??? Or is this just "a feeling"?

Tarheel_Dem

(31,211 posts)
43. I thought not!
Thu May 3, 2012, 10:56 PM
May 2012


The stuff you've made up in your head doesn't qualify as thoughtful political analysis, especially since your specious argument was already used on me once this week. Is a little proof too much to ask? And just so you know, is no substitute for a solid rebuttal and/or proof. Just so you know.
 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
44. That must have been one hell of a debate.
Thu May 3, 2012, 11:08 PM
May 2012

Too bad I don't remember it. Just a guess... were there lots of ?

Tarheel_Dem

(31,211 posts)
46. Nope. Only crickets! At least you're trying to pretend you know what you're talking about.
Thu May 3, 2012, 11:31 PM
May 2012

I can't say I respect it, but I certainly admire your gumption.

I'll be over here ---------->>>>>> waiting for a link about those throngs of liberal dems who now identify as "independents". Shouldn't be hard to find if it's true, right? Proof? Any proof, except that which you've made up in your head, will suffice.

Thanks in advance.

 

just1voice

(1,362 posts)
16. How about progressive dems? Gallopuke seems to think we don't exist
Thu May 3, 2012, 04:11 PM
May 2012

Gallup is a repuke propaganda firm, their numbers are not credible regardless of what the numbers are.

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