To those who don't want to hear from TPP until it's all decided.....

[ND-Dem]

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Did you know the public isn't allowed to know anything about it until FOUR YEARS AFTER IT'S ALL DECIDED AND IS ALREADY IN EFFECT?

Brilliant political thinking. Maybe you should just forget about calling yourselves citizens and call yourselves babies who need big daddy (or mommy) to take care of all the thinking for you. Just trust big daddy or mommy. They'd never do anything to harm you, baby. They loooove you.


The chapter in the draft of the trade deal, dated Jan. 20, 2015, and obtained by The New York Times in collaboration with the group WikiLeaks, is certain to kindle opposition from both the political left and the right. The sensitivity of the issue is reflected in the fact that the cover mandates that the chapter not be declassified until four years after the Trans-Pacific Partnership comes into force or trade negotiations end, should the agreement fail

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/business/trans-pacific-partnership-seen-as-door-for-foreign-suits-against-us.html?smid=tw-share

[Faryn Balyncd]

1. Yeah. That's what Jefferson & Madison had in mind, with this "democracy" thing, isn't it?

Let the proles know 4 years after you've sold them out!

[Hoyt]

2. You have a citation on we can't know anything about it for 4years?

[ND-Dem]

4. I linked to the NY Times. What other kind of "citation" would you like, there's no research paper

published on TPP.

Because it's Super-James-Bond-Double-Top-Top-Secret, you know. Like atom bomb secrets.

[Hoyt]

6. You aren't digging very hard. The "classification" is for the negotiation documents, not FINAL

agreement. If you'll notice, the document Wikileaks refers to is not the final chapter, or document, it's a negotiating document. The final document -- and chapter we are discussing -- will be released, and Congress will see it, and we will too.

These "classified" negotiations obviously aren't secret, since we have them. And the final document that Obama must endorse and submit to Congress for final approval won't be either, even if he gets so-called fast-track authority.

You can't just read a sentence and not look closer at what is says/means, to draw a conclusion.

[ND-Dem]

7. no one claimed it was the final chapter but you. and the classified negotiations are obviously

secret, since even most senators can't get information about them and are forbidden to publicize what they do get.

and since it takes wikileaks to get the tentative text to the public.

[Hoyt]

8. You are the one that asserted we wouldn't know anything about TPP until 4 years after enacted, or

abandoned.

[ND-Dem]

10. Actually, that would be the NYT (in collaboration with wikileaks, who had to get the document

from a leaker and get it to the NYT for the public to know fuck-all about it).

The chapter in the draft of the trade deal, dated Jan. 20, 2015, and obtained by The New York Times in collaboration with the group WikiLeaks, is certain to kindle opposition from both the political left and the right.

The sensitivity of the issue is reflected in the fact that the cover mandates that the chapter not be declassified until four years after the Trans-Pacific Partnership comes into force or trade negotiations end, should the agreement fail

You're just babbling, blowing smoke and pretending you don't get it in hopes you'll fool someone. But you don't fool anyone.

[joshcryer]

11. That's obviously with regards to the negotiating paperwork.

It's a 1.4(b) classification. ie, "foreign government information."

(U) B. FOREIGN GOVERNMENT INFORMATION. [1.4(b)]
(U) Foreign Government Information (FGI) is defined in Section 6.l(r) of EO.
12958 as:
(l) information provided to the United States Government by a foreign
government or governments, an international organization of governments, or
any element thereof with the expectation that the information, the SOlf-rce of the
information, or both, are to be held in confidence;
(2) information produced by the United States pursuant to or as a result of a joint
arrangement with a foreign government or governments, or an international
organization of governments, or any element thereof' requiring that the
information, the arrangement, or both, are to be held in confidence; or
(3) information received and treated as "foreign government information" under
the terms of a predecessor order.

You're interpreting it completely wrong, I don't even think the NYT is making the leap you're making here.

[Hoyt]

12. Like I said, you aren't digging - just cherry picking what suits you.

Worst, you are repeating it as fact, and some big conspiracy by Obama to undermine American workers as if that is some recent phenomenon that didn't start when American companies screwed up and got behind with transistor radios and vastly superior foreign cars.

[ND-Dem]

13. american companies didn't screw up; they offshored and outsourced.

[blkmusclmachine]

3. If they weren't doing something horribly wrong, they'd never have had to go to such lengths to keep

it from public view.

And on TPP, Clinton = Obama.


TPP is Corporate fascism.

[burrowowl]

5. Yes it is!

Why is Obama pushing TPP? Why?

[zeemike]

9. You mean that Fascism is the merger of corporation and state.

And the TPP is the enabling document.