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(11,076 posts)
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 11:29 AM Mar 2015


This week marks the one year anniversary of Bartcop's passing. I cried like a baby when he died. I make this post in his honor. Bart, you are missed and loved. We so need your input right now. You my friend would have a field day with all that goes on. Your sides would ache with laughter at the stupid that surrounds us.

Thank you for helping us to keep on keepin' on at the beginning of what has turned out to be some of the darkest days in history.

My best to Mrs. B. and all who miss and loved you! Peace, Kim

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Bartcop........ (Original Post) peace13 Mar 2015 OP
Bartcop knew his BFEE Octafish Mar 2015 #1
You are so welcome Octafish. peace13 Mar 2015 #3
Absolutely, peace13! Octafish Mar 2015 #8
The internet was more free back then, imo. Many forums actually DISCUSSED these issues. Until sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #22
things certainly have changed. including DU which is kind of a wasteland today. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #26
That's the Tell. Octafish Mar 2015 #34
So many 'suicided' journalists. It must be the most 'depressing' career in the world. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #36
I do miss me some Bartcop... Galileo126 Mar 2015 #2
Thank you SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #4
You are so welcome. peace13 Mar 2015 #41
He certainly was a gem. RoccoR5955 Mar 2015 #5
RIP, Bartcop bigwillq Mar 2015 #6
I followed his website when it was "Rush Limbaugh: Lying Nazi Whore" Archae Mar 2015 #7
Yup, it was a listserv.... SidDithers Mar 2015 #17
Chinaco shots for everyone! Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2015 #9
Bartcop was indeed one of the good one. Javaman Mar 2015 #10
Wish you were here, Bartcop. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #11
While I agree with the sentiments of the OP rsdsharp Mar 2015 #12
You could be right. peace13 Mar 2015 #13
I wrote this in tribute WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #14
Well said...!!!! n/t CanSocDem Mar 2015 #18
Thanks for this! nt peace13 Mar 2015 #39
Wow. It's a year already... SidDithers Mar 2015 #15
I'm pretty sure I found DU through Bartcop... Fumesucker Mar 2015 #16
I did too...nt SidDithers Mar 2015 #19
So why do you mock me for writing about the BFEE? Octafish Mar 2015 #35
'Cause you think everything, every fucking thing... SidDithers Mar 2015 #38
That's not true, and you know it. Octafish Mar 2015 #42
I can't watch Eldrige... CanSocDem Mar 2015 #20
One of my sources of sanity after the 2000 debacle deutsey Mar 2015 #21
peace13, thank you for the memories. raven mad Mar 2015 #23
You are very welcome? nt peace13 Mar 2015 #40
peace13, thank you for the memories. raven mad Mar 2015 #24
Peace to all... Hekate Mar 2015 #25
RIP Bartcop. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #27
I found DU... Johnny Noshoes Mar 2015 #28
Same with me. Bartcop led me to DU and Mike Malloy's radio show. bermudat Mar 2015 #37
K&R! DeSwiss Mar 2015 #29
He died on the 5th of March, and his wife posted his "Last Word" two days later. MADem Mar 2015 #30
Thanks for the date! Nt peace13 Mar 2015 #32
And a reminder that the page is still up bmbmd Mar 2015 #31
Bartcop. vanlassie Mar 2015 #33


(55,745 posts)
1. Bartcop knew his BFEE
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 11:34 AM
Mar 2015
BFEE Scorecard

Bartcop coined the term "Bush Family Evil Empire" to denote the 60-year pre-eminence of one family in the formation of the political philosophy in the United States, that of the War Party. The first to do so to my knowledge on the World Wide Web, Bartcop chronicled their ascension to the top of the national security state by hook and by crook. At least three generations have held high national office, while also making big money off war and looting the public Treasury. The last president of the United States, a man who wasn't elected fair and square by any stretch of the imagination, actually said: "Money trumps peace" at a press conference. For some reason, not a single "journalist" had the guts to ask him what he meant by that.

Bartcop did. And We and Democracy are better for it.

Thank you for remembering, peace13! Bartcop made the Internet into a tool for Democracy.


(11,076 posts)
3. You are so welcome Octafish.
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 11:40 AM
Mar 2015

Thanks for the graphic. His page could always bring a smile when we needed it the most.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
22. The internet was more free back then, imo. Many forums actually DISCUSSED these issues. Until
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 04:00 PM
Mar 2015

it seemed, suddenly, there were efforts to silence people who were simply trying to figure things out. It made no sense to me that on DK, eg, a so-called Liberal Forum, discussing the stolen 2000 election or as Bartcop called them, the Bush Crime Family, or 9/11 or any of those issues that made the Far Right so very nervous, suddenly became bannable offenses on the so-called major Liberal forum.

That's when I, and many others began to wake up. So if anything, rather than accomplishing whatever goal they had in mind, it only made people pay MORE attention.


(55,745 posts)
34. That's the Tell.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 12:27 PM
Mar 2015

When someone is more interested in shutting down discussion rather than examining that which may be uncomfortable, repulsive or disquieting, it is a clear signal that there is something worth discovering. In the case of 9-11, one thing are the ties between the Bush and bin Laden families.

Mark Lombardi made "conspiracy art" based on the criminal connections between people, events and organizations, above is a detail and below "George W. Bush, Harken Energy and Jackson Stephens," then he "committed suicide" in July 2001.

Jim Hatfield also wrote about the same connections, writing in July 2001 that Bush was sore afraid of bin Laden aerial attack at G-7 summit in Geneva in April 2001 that he slept aboard a cramped U.S. destroyer floating offshore rather than stay in a posh hotel protected by NATO anti-aircraft missile system. This was the last article Hatfield saw published, as he also "committed suicide" in August 2001.

Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner?

By James Hatfield

Editor's note: In light of last week's horrific events and the Bush administration's reaction to them, we are reprising the following from the last column Jim Hatfield wrote for Online Journal prior to his tragic death on July 18:

July 3, 2001—There may be fireworks in Genoa, Italy, this month, too.

A plot by Saudi master terrorist, Osama bin Laden, to assassinate Dubya during the July 20 economic summit of world leaders, was uncovered after dozens of suspected Islamic militants linked to bin Laden's international terror network were arrested in Frankfurt, Germany, and Milan, Italy, in April.

German intelligence services have stated that bin Laden is covertly financing neo-Nazi skinhead groups throughout Europe to launch another terrorist attack at a high-profile American target—his first since the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen last October.

According to counter-terrorism experts quoted in Germany's largest newspaper, the attack on Dubya might be a James Bond-like aerial strike in the form of remote-controlled airplanes packed with plastic explosives.


In June 1977, Dubya formed his own drilling company, Arbusto Energy ("arbusto" means "bush" in Spanish), in Midland, Texas. Like his father before him, Dubya founded his oil business with the financial backing of investors, including James R. Bath, a Houston businessman whom Dubya apparently first met when they were in the same Texas Air National Guard unit. (Interestingly, both Dubya and Bath were both suspended from flying in August and September 1972, respectively, for "failure to accomplish annual medical examination.&quot

Tax documents and other financial records show that Bath, an aircraft broker with controversial ties to Saudi Arabia sheiks, had invested $50,000 in Arbusto, granting him a 5 percent interest in two limited partnerships controlled by Dubya.

Time magazine described Bath in 1991 as "a deal broker whose alleged associations run from the CIA to a major shareholder and director of the Bank of Credit & Commerce." BCCI, as it was more commonly known, closed its doors in July 1991 amid charges of multibillion-dollar fraud and global news reports that the financial institution had been heavily involved in drug money laundering, arms brokering, covert intelligence work, bribery of government officials and—here's the kicker—aid to terrorists.

Bath was never directly implicated in the BCCI scandal, but according to The Outlaw Bank, an award-winning 1993 book by Time correspondents, Jonathan Beaty and S.C. Gwynne, Bath originally "made his fortune by investing money for [Sheikh Kalid bin] Mahfouz and another BCCI-connected Saudi, Sheikh bin Laden," reportedly the brother of none other than Osama bin Laden, the man accused by the U.S. government of masterminding the August 1998 terrorist bombings of the American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania which killed more than 250 people.



I'd download the copy off of the Wayback Machine. For some reason, I can no longer find it at Online Journal.

The amazing Amy Goodman still hosts an interview with the feller.

These are the kinds of people I discovered and things I learned on DU and Bartcop. It surprises me to hear people tell me to shut-up when talking about them on DU these days.

Thank you for not being quiet, sabrina 1. What a truly awake person does is speak up so others can know. It's the democratic thing to do.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
36. So many 'suicided' journalists. It must be the most 'depressing' career in the world.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 01:40 PM
Mar 2015

Yes, I learned so much on Liberal Forums where discussion was, at one time, free and open, and where people were able to disagree, and/or question each other, responsibly.

Around 2002-3 I discovered, the suppression of such open discussions began, on Liberal Forum, or at least the one claiming to be the MAIN online, 'liberal' forum.

That did not work as many who found themselves silenced started their own blogs, recounting the history of online intimidation. THAT is where I learned about how the Right Wing oppression began moving to the 'left'.

When something makes no sense, people's interest only increases.

And that's what happened as a huge battle erupted on that forum between, what we later discovered were indeed operatives, and the Liberal Dems.

I hope one day someone will write about the online suppression, the introduction of words like 'CTs' against Liberals etc.

Bartcop, DU, Alternet (the old forums) among others continued to be sources of information.

It is surprising to see this effort raise its ugly head even on forums where the facts still matter.

No amount of bullying, attempt to silence or otherwise, can change facts, which is why the facts are never part of these 'discussions'. The tactics are always 'attack the messenger'. THAT has come to mean to me, 'we are on the right tract'.

Thank you for all you have done to contribute to keeping the facts out there, Octafish.


(2,016 posts)
2. I do miss me some Bartcop...
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 11:36 AM
Mar 2015

Terry had a way of calling out teh Stupit with supreme humor.

He is soooo missed.



(4,883 posts)
4. Thank you
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 11:52 AM
Mar 2015

I talked with Bart just a few days before he died. He came to Colorado and we were going to meet. Schedules just did not work. If I had known.

Hope Mrs. B is well.


(46,528 posts)
7. I followed his website when it was "Rush Limbaugh: Lying Nazi Whore"
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 12:00 PM
Mar 2015

Or something like that.

I did have a beef with him about Obama, but we "kissed and made up" and I went back to reading his site regularly.


(44,228 posts)
17. Yup, it was a listserv....
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 03:32 PM
Mar 2015

that sent out sporadic e-mails in the beginning, then he started up his awful looking website.

RL-LNW. That was a long time ago. I want to say 1996?



(9,519 posts)
12. While I agree with the sentiments of the OP
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 12:51 PM
Mar 2015

and others here about Bartcop, I believe he died on or about March 7, 2014. That's the date his Last Word was posted on the website.



(11,076 posts)
13. You could be right.
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 03:01 PM
Mar 2015

I looked back through the blog to get the date too. I know he was in the hospital fighting his final battle for at least a week. It's all good on remembering him here. I had not seen it posted in the recent and wanted him to be remembered. My sister died several weeks before Bart and my memory of the two is a bit fuzzy. At the time my thoughts were of two fine people putting up the good fight and moving on....leaving the rest of us here. They know the secret and the rest of us are here, left wondering. Have a great day. Peace, Kim


(44,228 posts)
15. Wow. It's a year already...
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 03:28 PM
Mar 2015

He was an original, that's for sure.

Shot of Chinaco Anejo to Bartcop.



(44,228 posts)
38. 'Cause you think everything, every fucking thing...
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 03:29 PM
Mar 2015

relates back to the BFEE.

The BFEE is your version of the Illuminati, or the NWO. There's almost no conspiracy theory you won't embrace and attribute to the BFEE.

You're Ahab and the BFEE is your white whale.



(55,745 posts)
42. That's not true, and you know it.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 10:10 AM
Mar 2015

For instance, I find crop circles a fascinating topic. Here's one example, a graphic representation of pi to the 10th significant figure:

To give an idea of the scale of the thing, the parallel lines are tractor tracks through the crop field. Pretty amazing, IMFO.

Most complex crop circle ever discovered in British fields

By Richard Savill
The Telegraph (UK)
Last Updated: 12:40PM BST 17/06/2008

The most complex, "mind-boggling" crop circle ever to be seen in Britain has been discovered in a barley field in Wiltshire.

The circle is a coded representation of pi to the 10th significant figure
The formation, measuring 150ft in diameter, is apparently a coded image representing the first 10 digits, 3.141592654, of pi.

It is has appeared in a field near Barbury Castle, an iron-age hill fort above Wroughton, Wilts, and has been described by astrophysicists as "mind-boggling".

Michael Reed, an astrophysicist, said: "The tenth digit has even been correctly rounded up. The little dot near the centre is the decimal point.

"The code is based on 10 angular segments with the radial jumps being the indicator of each segment.

"Starting at the centre and counting the number of one-tenth segments in each section contained by the change in radius clearly shows the values of the first 10 digits in the value of pi."



While you have used my observations about crop circles to denigrate me, that is not the real reason for your ridicule. You hope others fail to see how the BFEE connects historical events with current events, specifically matters of war and peace, and the transofrmation of America from a democracy into a police state.

Generation upon generation, knowing only service to power and property.

Kevin Phillips called them a ''multigenerational family of fibbers.''

The Barreling Bushes

Four generations of the dynasty have chased profits through cozy ties with Mideast leaders, spinning webs of conflicts of interest

by Kevin Phillips
Published on Sunday, January 11, 2004 by the Los Angeles Times


During these years, Bush's four sons - George W., Jeb, Neil and Marvin - were following in the family footsteps, lining up business deals with Saudi, Kuwaiti and Bahraini moneymen and cozying up to BCCI. The Middle East was becoming a convenient family money spigot.

Eldest son George W. Bush made his first Middle East connection in the late 1970s with James Bath, a Texas businessmen who served as the North American representative for two rich Saudis (and Osama bin Laden relatives) - billionaire Salem bin Laden and banker and BCCI insider Khalid bin Mahfouz. Bath put $50,000 into Bush's 1979 Arbusto oil partnership, probably using Bin Laden-Bin Mahfouz funds.

In the late 1980s, after several failed oil ventures, the future 43rd president let the ailing oil business in which he was a major stockholder and chairman be bought out by another foreign-influenced operation, Harken Energy. The Wall Street Journal commented in 1991, "The mosaic of BCCI connections surrounding Harken Energy may prove nothing more than how ubiquitous the rogue bank's ties were. But the number of BCCI-connected people who had dealings with Harken - all since George W. Bush came on board - likewise raises the question of whether they mask an effort to cozy up to a presidential son."

Other hints of cronyism came in 1990 when inexperienced Harken got a major contract to drill in the Persian Gulf for the government of Bahrain. Time magazine reporters Jonathan Beaty and S.C. Gwynne, in their book "The Outlaw Bank," concluded "that Mahfouz, or other BCCI players, must have had a hand in steering the oil-drilling contract to the president's son." The web entangling the Bush presidencies was already being spun.



The people who tried to overthrow FDR in 1933 had kids.

And they are the ones* screwing America now.

What's different today, is we don't have Smedley Butler or FDR to stop them.

Baron de Rothschild and Prescott Bush, share a moment and some information, back in the day.

* Of course, it's not just a few rich families's offspring who screw the majority today. They've hired help and built up the giant noise machine to continue their work overthrowing the progress FDR and the New Deal brought America for 80 years.

Why would the nation and world's richest people do that? Progress costs money. And they don't want to pay for it, even when they've gained more wealth than all of history put together. Instead, whey continue to work -- legally, through government and lobbyists -- to amass even more, transferring the wealth of the many to themselves.

And instead of an armed mob led by a war hero on a white horse, as planned in 1933, their weapon since Pruneface made his first payment to the Ayatollah has been "Supply Side Economics." To most Americans, that means Trickle-Down.

Rothschild and Freshfields founders’ had links to slavery, papers reveal

By Carola Hoyos
Financial Times

Two of the biggest names in the City of London had previously undisclosed links to slavery in the British colonies, documents seen by the Financial Times have revealed.

Nathan Mayer Rothschild, the banking family’s 19th-century patriarch, and James William Freshfield, founder of Freshfields, the top City law firm, benefited financially from slavery, records from the National Archives show, even though both have often been portrayed as opponents of slavery.

Far from being a matter of distant history, slavery remains a highly contentious issue in the US, where Rothschild and Freshfields are both active.

Companies alleged to have links to past slave injustices have come under pressure to make restitution.

JPMorgan, the investment bank, set up a $5m scholarship fund for black students studying in Louisiana after apologising in 2005 for the company’s historic links to slavery.

CONTINUED (with registration, etc) ...


It's no illusion or personal vendetta. It's a matter of fact: The BFEE are why there are wars without end for profits without cease.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
23. peace13, thank you for the memories.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 03:45 AM
Mar 2015
I just want time to re-read some stuff........

Wonderful! Bartcop isn't gone, for sure. As long as your heart yearns and your mind rests and your belly to chuckle, you've got him.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
24. peace13, thank you for the memories.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 03:45 AM
Mar 2015
I just want time to re-read some stuff........

Wonderful! Bartcop isn't gone, for sure. As long as your heart yearns and your mind rests and your belly to chuckle, you've got him.


(21,046 posts)
27. RIP Bartcop.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 04:23 AM
Mar 2015

Last edited Fri Mar 27, 2015, 05:05 AM - Edit history (1)

I met several interesting people through his chatroom.

And under his category of "Brush with Greatness", he posted a picture of the time I met Lewis Black after a show and made him laugh!
Sticking that one in my resume.

Johnny Noshoes

(1,983 posts)
28. I found DU...
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 04:57 AM
Mar 2015

I found DU via Bartcop as well as Mike Malloy. Bartcop even used one of my photos from the 2003 antiwar protest in NYC. He is missed.


(1,329 posts)
37. Same with me. Bartcop led me to DU and Mike Malloy's radio show.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 02:58 PM
Mar 2015

Remember when he had a function in DC in the early 2000's? Carville was there.
Kept the Hammer Swinging!


(3,089 posts)
31. And a reminder that the page is still up
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 08:27 AM
Mar 2015

and has a link to Amazon. If you are doing any online shopping, it wouldn't hurt you to use that link and spread a few coins to Mrs. Bartcop.

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