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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWallStreet’s POLITICAL SHAKEDOWN:We’ll Stop Funding Dems if Elizabeth Warren won’t SIT DOWN & SHUTUP
"....For Democratic neoliberals who have proven all too eager to forge an unholy alliance with the malefactors of great wealth, this Wall Street shakedown will only redouble their commitment to keep the financial powers-that-be placated..."
If ever you doubted that our obscene campaign finance regime constitutes a form of legalized bribery, consider this: Reuters reports today that officials at top Wall Street banks recently convened to discuss how they could convince Democrats to soften their partys tone toward the financial industry, and among the options now under consideration is halting campaign donations to Senate Democrats unless they rein in progressive populists like Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) and Sherrod Brown (D-OH). The banks represented at the Washington meeting included Citigroup, JPMorgan, Goldman Sachs and Bank of America, according to the report, and though the idea of withholding campaign contributions did not arise at that gathering, it has since been floated in conversations among representatives from the banks. While the action would only be taken against Senate Democrats, the report states that Democrats are fretting about larger repercussions:
Moreover, banks hostility toward Warren, who is not a presidential candidate, will not have a direct impact on the presumed Democratic front runner in the White House race, Hillary Clinton. Thats because their fund-raising groups focus on congressional races rather than the presidential election
Still, political strategists say Clinton could struggle to raise money among Wall Street financiers who worry that Democrats are becoming less business friendl
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/27/us-usa-election-banks-idUSKBN0MN0BV20150327?wpmm=1&feedName=politicsNews&feedType=RSS&wpisrc=nl_wonk
Citigroup, Reuters notes, has already chosen not to contribute to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee over concerns that Senate Democrats could give Warren and lawmakers who share her views more power, while JPMorgan has pared back its donations. Goldman Sachs already sent the DSCC its $15,000 check, while Bank of America has yet to donate. There are two salient points to be made here: First, while only the most naive mind could consider it surprising, that Democrats are clutching their pearls over a possible drought of Wall Street funds underscores how poisoned our campaign finance system has become, and it speaks volumes about the plutocratic capture of American politics. Moreover, the report further puts the lie to Chief Justice John Roberts apparently straight-faced assertion, writing his opinion in the Citizens United case, that campaign contributions are not intended to influence lawmakers official duties.
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/12-536_e1pf.pdf
Yet here we have an industry that may well cut off a political party if it does not jettison proposals like breaking up Too Big To Fail institutions, reinstating the Glass-Steagall law separating commercial and investment banking, and reining in unscrupulous speculation. These proposals have galvanized the Warren wing of the Democratic Party, which may be emboldened but is far from dominant. Look no further than Wall Streets affinity for the partys likely presidential nominee, or the identity of the Democrats potential next leader in the Senate, a top recipient of financial industry contributions.
cont'
http://www.salon.com/2015/03/27/wall_streets_political_shakedown_well_stop_funding_dems_if_elizabeth_warren_wont_sit_down_and_shut_up/
marym625
(17,997 posts)Let them. I love it. What better way to show how corrupt they are than cutting donations because someone is fighting for the people?
Wonder what would happen to Hillary
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)I just meant what will happen to her bank funding?
Or is she exempt because good old Larry is her right hand man?
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)We know who her friends are. And as George Carlin said, we ain't in that club.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)azureblue
(2,146 posts)ready to find anything to slam her with. Gawd you guys are not only shrill and hysterical, you never offer a viable alternative and your posts amount to little more than substance free rabble rousing and scare mongering.
Tell you what, when you come up with proof of what she will do and what her platform will be, and what her plans are, if she is elected, then maybe we'll take a listen to what you have to say. But right now, you got nothing. And your posts show it.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)seems like the ONLY important reason.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)but a vote for anyone other than (or not voting) WOULD be.
Veilex
(1,555 posts)Wrong-headed logic.
First off, HRC isn't running at present.
Second, only failing to vote, or not voting for the candidate is a vote for a republican...
Note that HRC is not presently the candidate.
Note also, that there are a number other candidates that will likely enter the race.
Lastly, HRC was inevitable during the last race too, and you see how far that got her.
Presuming her as inevitable will only ever work against her.
If you seriously want her to win, I recommend you stick with reasons to vote for her rather than pontifications or future predictions.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I was responding to an/the assertion that HRC is a republican, so he/she would not vote for HRC.
Both of us were posting under the obvious qualifier, that HRC was the democratic Nominee.
I am undecided on an HRC candidacy (and won't make any decision until the primary season is underway); but, what I am NOT undecided on, is I will affirmatively vote FOR the Democratic nominee.
But thank you for your recommendation regarding pontifications and "future predictions" (can one make "past predictions"?). Perhaps, in the future, you will make your recommendations based on the context of my/the comment ... or, recognize that taking the/a comment in context would render your comment out of place.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)on the side of the Banksers and thieves of Wall Street.
Now if you can't give me one reason to vote for her;
(other than she is the lesser of two evils)
I will put you on ignore and not waste my time.
Because you either don't comprehend the question or know there is no answer.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)In real life ... the lesser of the two evils is the rational choice.
Now ... if you can't understand that or why, then it says a lot about the world you live in .
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)about the world you live in.
Since you can't give me a single reason I don't see the benefit of reading your
Condescending posts.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)three times. And, explained why ... your unwillingness to accept/agree with that reason is on you.
Condescending posts.
Ignore still works.
Veilex
(1,555 posts)were context specified in either your reply or within the context of the immediate parent thread. However, and perhaps I'm being obtuse here, I'm not seeing anything in the contextual body to warrant the rendering of my comment to be out of place. I hope you're not expecting, perhaps, me to follow all your comments... that'd be a bit foolhardy as each thread is a conversation unto itself.
In any case, I'm glad to see you're keeping effectively a wait-and-see mentality about HRC.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)Will the 50% of people who don't vote without a good reason vote for her.
We all know the Republicans come out of their caves every 2 years and every
single one votes for whatever pile of slime is running as a Republican.
Will people who think (know)
our government sucks vote at all.
That is the question.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)economy and democracy. We need change or the middle and lower classes will wither and die. H. Clinton and Goldman-Sachs won't bring change.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)But the moral victory of voicing that need for change by NOT voting for HRC (if she is the Democratic nominee) will bring about a different kind of change ... it will speed up the withering and death of the working classes.
There are goals that are accomplished through strategies and tactic. I believe we largely agree on some goals; but, differ on the rest.
The tactic of constantly promoting the narrative (to anyone listening or not listening) that a HRC Presidency will lead to the death of the working classes is self-defeating of the goal of protecting the working classes.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)manipulated into accepting the lesser of evils. Those with money give us two candidates, Cruz and Clinton and we think we win with Clinton. We have been in a continued slide into poverty and tyranny and is seems your argument is to support the slower path. I want to draw the line and stand and fight. We may lose but I want to go down fighting and not acquiescing. You might argue that H. Clinton isn't aiming at killing the lower classes, but I'd say it might be a consequence of her actions.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Political choices (actually, ALL choices) are ALWAYS the acceptance of "the lesser of two evils."
That is a tactic ... that, until you develop, both convincing and workable solutions and candidates to communicate such solutions, pretty much guarantees you will get exactly what you claim to not want.
That, to me, is an untenable, though romantic, position.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)that for 40 has been bleeding us dry. If we wait too long we might not have enough left to fight with.
I am glad our founders didn't have the "let's wait to see if it gets better" attitude.
I don't think either Sen Warren or Sen Sanders can bring about the needed change but they might be able to kick off the change. Sen Sanders said he is willing to take the risk to him and his family IF he gets enough backing. All those that are happy with Hillary are sending the wrong message. "We are ok with the status quo. We don't want to make waves".
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)and we when do support alternatives, Wall Street does their damnedest to make sure they are not viable bu cutting odd funding and using tactics that would make the Mafia look like gentlemen.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Will the big banks and Wall Street fear her control? Or will she treat them like they've been treated the last 40 years?
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)So we have to get the strongest grass roots campaign going that ever was
zeemike
(18,998 posts)They own the party...and they will do the choosing.
Expect the veils to fall incrementally from these threats as they become increasingly effective. The best democratic challenge to oligarchy-by-degree is to directly, immediately, and vociferously double down with its progressive antithesis at every mendacious step.
NBachers
(17,098 posts)Romeo.lima333
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Vincardog
(20,234 posts)Any and ALL bribes to elected officials.
Romeo.lima333
(1,127 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)Ha. K&R
Romeo.lima333
(1,127 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Romeo.lima333
(1,127 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Loved the NL back in the day.
Romeo.lima333
(1,127 posts)Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Editor at NL for years.
Got older, drifted right, lost his edge, lost his ability to be humorous, became a libertarian, and developed anal cancer (which he survived).
Not saying there is a connection between libertarianism and anal cancer. If there was a link, I'd expect libertarians to develop anal and brain cancer simultaneously.
turbinetree
(24,688 posts)This says it all ------thanks
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)out about anything political!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)It's a big fat NO, I won't stop talking! I can't tell you what an inspiration and breath of fresh air she is. She's a ray of hope at least for me.
ybbor
(1,554 posts)Or the other way around, I don't mind either way.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,107 posts)He has the goods and knowscthe SEC wil do nothing. Also says the NY Attorney General is likepy bestvpositioned to fix problems.
And I'll bet this pressure from Wall Street was the tipping point for Harry Reid's decision to bow out. Reid elevated Warren and then endorsed Schumer.
The CCC
(463 posts)Tax the rich at 91% like under that republican Eisenhower.
The Wizard
(12,541 posts)bribing public officials. Calling it a campaign contribution is like putting a new dress on an old slattern.
erronis
(15,219 posts)Why is this a race to the bottom of the cesspool with the bankers/lobbyists already being there?
Why can't a group of very concerned voters just make sure they get their point across to other voters without having to spend millions on advertising that doesn't work?
I've raised this question elsewhere. It seems strange that we are playing directly into the banker's/sycophant's hands by giving them money.
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)can kibosh even the candidates they don't pay for
pa28
(6,145 posts)It's not just people on the left who recognize the danger of too big to fail banks. We could easily have a repeat of the 2008 collapse caused by over-leveraged megabanks and fixing the problem has nothing to do with class warfare. It's just the right thing to do.
People like David Stockman and the conservative American Enterprise Institute both favor taking apart big banks to reduce the risk of big banks collapsing the economy again. These are people we disagree with on most issues who also realize breaking up the banks will benefit everyone in the long run, including the banks themselves.
Yet, if you watch apologists for Wall Street you would think Elizabeth Warren was an irrational class warrior. If you've had a light lunch watch this Bloomberg interview featuring Dean Baker vs. a trio of sneering pro-bankers to witness the contempt for yourself.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2014-12-23/did-sen-warren-make-wall-street-an-enemy
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)representing the people again instead of representing the banks.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)rurallib
(62,406 posts)but I am guessing it will not see the light of day except on Freespeech TV
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)*THIS* should be what we are shooting for.
turbinetree
(24,688 posts)temper tantrum by the elitist and the what the U.S. Supreme court right wing majority has done to the peoples government should be brought forward on who (the democrat base want in our leader, not some corporation telling us that with there money they can buy the government further towards more corruption with there leader000thats not how its done).
We need a petition now---- to tell the democratic Congress that this what we want, we want Warren or another progressive as our leader, we do not need another corporatist.
Who care what the banks want. look at what they have done, they took our tax dollars and did what with it, nothing absolutely nothing, except bankrupt this country into a third rate state.
We need another Occupy movement
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,713 posts)And louder, stronger and harder.
Screw the banks. They are pretty good at screwing us. Give it back.
cstanleytech
(26,280 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Three take-aways that come to mind and one question.
1. The banking executives consider the Democratic leadership to be their employees, and they are probably right.
2. This rising indignation and protest, at how these corporate forces are sucking the life out of the Earth and all that is human, is starting to have an effect.
3. According to the FDIC, there were 6,799 FDIC-insured commercial banks in the United States as of February 11, 2014. The banks can donate at a rate of $15000 per bank. That's $101,000,000 in the air here, and that's just from the disclosed amounts.
And now the question
Who will vote for a candidate that accepts campaign contributions from banks?
TBF
(32,040 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)raven mad
(4,940 posts)And I like it.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Hillary could do a lot if she would tell people to stop threatening just because Liza and Sherrod are speaking their mind.
I have no reason to believe she will.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)K&R
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)The official decisive battle between the 3rd-way and the progressives; and we couldn't have gotten a calling-out from a more despised group.
CanonRay
(14,097 posts)and vow to dismantle them. The public would be overwhelmingly in their favor...even a lot of the Teahadists would be for this.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)**crickets**
the_sly_pig
(741 posts)Not curling it up so as not to be offensive.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)nikto
(3,284 posts)And the more I like her.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)malaise
(268,882 posts)from the plutocrats - they have been empowered by many politicians and their other tool - the corporate media
anotojefiremnesuka
(198 posts)get my vote, simple!
Democrats have a choice vote for those who support the people or those that support Wall Street and the Banks.
I am voting for the people!
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)bribery of the highest order and perfect example of the totally corrupting power and influence of money in our so-called democratic voting system of picking 'leaders'. It's the total explanation of WHO runs our political system and how afraid these power brokers are, because we might get our hackles up, and get up from The Couch that is too comfortable to leave it seems, though I doubt it. MONEY RULES in this country, nothing less. The 99% do not count to the real power in this country, the 1%. It seems the donkey and the elephant are cover for malfeasance by the people who are elected to represent us and don't because greed, delusions of power and grandeur are too powerful a persuasion to the easily corrupted.
To be truly represented, we the people have to fund, completely, all national elections. Now how we can do this in opposition to the uber rich that run the political system is anyone's guess. Yet there are many fine minds on here to start the suggestion process, right?
I have to seriously start to understand how to change a system so corrupt as ours beyond finding true patriots to our ideologies and needs to vote for. Good luck, I know. Change is our only hope. I can stand on the soap box in the public square and scream about money's power over our voting system. They'll just cart me off to the loony bin even if I make sense. But if enough stand up at the same time, then that's a different story? Maybe?
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)And a) hardly anyone will even know about it and b) most of those who do will say "ho, hum, business as usual." What a disgusting state of affairs.
Corporations were never supposed to be in charge of the country, but they've weaseled their way in. Money (the way things are currently set up) will do that.....
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)won't support wall street democrats?
I'm confused.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)there is no other independent media source. Something is missing. Democrats no longer control the Senate and our only minority members of the Senate Banking committee, etc.
Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)mvd
(65,169 posts)And no, Warren is not going to sit down and shut up - Go Liz!
Scrabbleddie
(67 posts)The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater. :Frank Zappa