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Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:09 PM

Study links autism with circumcision

The circumcision of boys is controversial and hotly debated in many countries.

Advocates of circumcision point to cultural, religious, hygiene-related and medical reasons for the procedure, while opponents argue that it infringes on bodily rights and is a severe, painful assault on the individual which can lead to life-long physical and mental damage, with no relevant advantages to health.

A study now pours a little more oil on the flames.

According to the new study, which included 340,000 Danish boys, it looks as though circumcision increases the risk of developing autism.

http://sciencenordic.com/study-links-autism-circumcision

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Reply Study links autism with circumcision (Original post)
Jesus Malverde Mar 2015 OP
olddots Mar 2015 #1
AngryAmish Mar 2015 #38
Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #2
elleng Mar 2015 #4
RKP5637 Mar 2015 #3
lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #8
RKP5637 Mar 2015 #22
hifiguy Mar 2015 #23
jmowreader Mar 2015 #20
Spider Jerusalem Mar 2015 #5
Jesus Malverde Mar 2015 #6
lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #12
HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #26
Zorra Mar 2015 #7
Hekate Mar 2015 #9
uppityperson Mar 2015 #17
Hekate Mar 2015 #25
uppityperson Mar 2015 #28
Hekate Mar 2015 #29
uppityperson Mar 2015 #32
AnnieBW Mar 2015 #10
steve2470 Mar 2015 #11
hifiguy Mar 2015 #24
LiberalEsto Mar 2015 #35
Quackers Mar 2015 #13
Fumesucker Mar 2015 #15
uppityperson Mar 2015 #14
MrScorpio Mar 2015 #16
LiberalEsto Mar 2015 #37
oregonjen Mar 2015 #18
Chemisse Mar 2015 #34
jwirr Mar 2015 #41
dgibby Mar 2015 #44
pnwmom Mar 2015 #45
Igel Mar 2015 #43
madinmaryland Mar 2015 #19
Laffy Kat Mar 2015 #21
hrmjustin Mar 2015 #27
dembotoz Mar 2015 #30
jwirr Mar 2015 #31
Chemisse Mar 2015 #36
jwirr Mar 2015 #40
Hekate Mar 2015 #39
LineReply .
hunter Mar 2015 #33
beam me up scottie Mar 2015 #42
pnwmom Mar 2015 #46

Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:13 PM

1. yikes

 

this may get interesting .

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Response to olddots (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 05:23 PM

38. It will be like "King Kong v Godzilla"

 

It will bring all the boys to the yard.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:17 PM

2. "Causality remains unproven."

 

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:18 PM

4. Yes.

"The burning question is wether there is a causal relationship. In my opinion, there could easily be some other explanations for the connection found by the study," says Obel.

The professor points out that people who have their baby boys circumcised may differ from those who do not, and that these differences could relate to a predisposition to autism.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:18 PM

3. This, will likely be a very long contentious thread. I'm stocking up on

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:23 PM

8. This thread needs more Olive Garden. n/t

 

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #8)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:44 PM

22. +1, n/t

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #8)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:44 PM

23. And a pit bull.

 

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:39 PM

20. Go back to the store

You don't have enough. Trust me on this.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:20 PM

5. That sounds like mistaking correlation for causation

 

circumcision is not common in Denmark....except among certain religious communities (Jews and Muslims). These tend to be religious communities which are traditionally not exogamous--there are high rates of cousin marriage between Muslims in many countries; Ashkenazi Jews, due to endogamous marriage and a historically small population, are all as genetically related as fourth or fifth cousins. So this hypothetical link of autism with circumcision is probably a proxy for something genetic in the Danish populations likely to practise circumcision.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:22 PM

6. Great observation...nt

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:25 PM

12. It could be due to a shared environmental cause. Maybe Lamb causes Autism? n/t

 

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:47 PM

26. It's also a question of the over-design of sensitivity... sample size of 340,000???

On the simple 2x2 question of relating autism presence to circumcision presence that seems like an awfully large sample.

Having too much sensitivity leads to false positive associations.




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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:23 PM

7. Interesting study, in terms of circumcison being a trauma inducing event

altering development at a very young age.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:24 PM

9. Riiiight. Because there are so many autistic Jews and Arabs. Throughout history.

Good Lord.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #9)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:35 PM

17. What?

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #17)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:46 PM

25. In both of these Abrahamic religions, male circumcision is a religious requirement....

It is a sign of the covenant with God.

In the early Christian church, there was a heated argument over whether new Christians should first convert to Judaism and all its laws. Because Jesus was Jewish.

However, it was decided that since Christianity represented a new covenant with God, conversion to the old covenant should not be required. Thus, not coincidentally, allowing the new religion to spread much more easily.

Nonetheless, to this day, every newborn Jewish boy is circumcised on his 8th day. Catholics still celebrate the Feast of the Circumcision as a holy day in Jesus' life.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #25)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:51 PM

28. Thank you, I understand all that, was wondering about the autism crack.

Not sure what you meant by that. Thanks.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #28)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:53 PM

29. I was bein really, really sarcastic about the "study." nt

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Response to Hekate (Reply #29)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:56 PM

32. Thank you, that is what I thought but am trying to clarify vs assume. nt

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:24 PM

10. There's a place that I could go with this, but...

As the wife of an Aspie, I'd better not.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:25 PM

11. all we need now is moon bombing, chicken, Olive Garden, pit bulls and breast-feeding....

and we'll have the_longest_and_most_contentious_thread_in_DU_history!

On a serious note, correlation anyone ?

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #11)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:45 PM

24. Nothing will ever,

 

EVER top the moon-bombing thread.

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #11)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 05:18 PM

35. Chemtrails! Don't forget those. nt

 

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:27 PM

13. I call BS on their study.

If circumcision caused autism, then why has autism rates increased while circumcision rates have decreased?


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/07/circumcision-rate-drops_n_5107637.html

http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/searching-for-answers/autism-rise

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Response to Quackers (Reply #13)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:29 PM

15. As a hypothetical, much better diagnostic evaluations...

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:29 PM

14. Correlation does not equal causation. Eating pickles before conception is linked with autism too

A majority of parents ate pickles in the year before they conceived children with autism.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:32 PM

16. Study links autism with studies...

Let's just get that out there in the open, shall we?

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #16)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 05:19 PM

37. bingo!

 

You definitely raise a significant point.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:35 PM

18. In the comments there was a link to another study

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23656698

The use of acetaminophen as a pain killer in infants during circumcision, has shown an increase in autism.

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Response to oregonjen (Reply #18)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 05:02 PM

34. That is interesting.

And makes this study more comprehensible.

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Response to oregonjen (Reply #18)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 06:39 PM

41. Now that sounds very reasonable. Most baby boys were circumcized before they were two weeks

old and that is very young to withstand the effects of any kind of medication IMO.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #41)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 07:49 PM

44. No medication is used.

At least no medicine was being used when I was still in nursing (late '90's). Theoretically, it doesn't hurt(infants). Of course, that doesn't explain why they screamed through the entire procedure. If there's a correlation, it's probably pain induced (just my opinion).

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Response to dgibby (Reply #44)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:22 PM

45. They were giving local lidocaine in that time period. But I hadn't heard about Tylenol

being used then.

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Response to oregonjen (Reply #18)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 07:28 PM

43. Don't they teach simple stats to researchers?

I mean, this is the kind of thing where you start to wonder, "Gee, perhaps there's a confound!"

Maybe the drive to publish for fun and profit is so high that people figure it doesn't matter. "If it's bullshit, caveat emptor as long as my CV has another few lines."

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:36 PM

19. I think this depends on eating at the Olive Garden in Manhattan, before having one.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:43 PM

21. Well...whatever...

So glad I didn't put my sons through it. I've always told them that if they wanted to be circumcised as adults, I would pay for it, but I'd rather the choice be theirs. They seem to like themselves the way they were born. Whew!

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:48 PM

27. I knew a church that on the Feast of the Circumcision sang the hymn. ..

 

O Sacred Head Sore wounded.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:53 PM

30. makes sense always told men think with their dicks

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:54 PM

31. It was not all that long ago when every boy child in the USA was circumsized. I wonder what the

rate of autism was back then. That was back in the 70s.

The trauma of being circumcised may have some effect but I don't believe it is actually circumcision.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #31)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 05:18 PM

36. I don't think they gave the babies any pain medicine in those days.

Especially since they claimed that babies didn't feel pain like we do. And if they had, it would have been aspirin, which is not used now in children.

Autism rates were low then (although it had barely been recognized back then, and many children were probably diagnosed with other disorders or not diagnosed at all in those days).

I'm certainly not buying into this link (between circumcision and autism). Studies correlating things to autism are all over the place. But at least the pain medicine suggestion makes some sense.

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Response to Chemisse (Reply #36)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 06:36 PM

40. I was about 10 years old and in the hospital for surgery. One day I heard this poor child screaming

and asked the nurse what was happening. She told me it was JUST a boy getting circumcised. I remember it as horrible. In that case I don't think they gave him anything before. But yes some kind of pain med makes more sense.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #31)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 05:24 PM

39. My brothers were born in the late '40s - late '50s & they were....

It was considered good hygiene and modern up to date practice at one time in the US. My husband was born in Europe after the War, and as far as he is concerned in Europe it was and is still considered the ineradicable mark of the Jewish male and no one else. He's Jewish -- my family is not.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:56 PM

33. .

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 06:44 PM

42. Wow. You are one brave dude, Jesus.


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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:23 PM

46. And yet in the US, circumcision rates have been falling while autism is rising. But I wouldn't

make a correction between those two things.

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