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White powder being sent to right-wing stations (Fox) with the message "Happy May Day" at a time when Occupy holds May Day protests...young men, some of whom sympathized ith Occupy Cleveland who never thought of blowing up a bridge until an FBI informant told them to do it with fake explosives. Now a permit has been denied against Occupy Cleveland and nobody questions the timing of this event.
COINTELPRO may be dead as a name, but the tactic lives and will live forever. Left-wing organizations will always be framed in order to discredit them.
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Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)Black-clad police were caught on video smashing windows, etc.
In LA on mayday 2007 at MacArthur park, cops dressed as protesters beat someone up while riot cops walked right past them. Canada was also able to unmask some cops dressed as protesters, after they caused damage, IIRC.
Anyone who thinks cops are our friends needs to view this stunning ten minutes (no filler)
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)Thanks for showing that video as an object lesson for the world.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)the cops are only mad dogs sent by the corrupt rich. There are of course always highly welcome and prized exceptions, but...
M1GS, Seattle:
countryjake
(8,554 posts)Bookmarking this to watch the rest of them, later.
deutsey
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hootinholler
(26,449 posts)At the federal level. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002645306
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)Set the marker to 25:00. You'll see LAPD dressed as marchers beat someone up while riot police =walk right past=. Earlier in the video you can see them beating everyone else up who even gets near them, if you want contrast.
Quebec police admit they went undercover at Montebello protest
"They were trying to get us aggressive"
Undercover cops at Occupy Oakland, plus chief Jordan talking about getting groups to do things...
Peter King, congressional overseer of the DHS said this about Occupy, at 1:10:
"Congressman Peter King has been a fierce critic of the protesters". "They are angry people who are losers, who are on the outside and screaming. Get involved and go into the system."
Peter King, you are a former bagman for the IRA, as well as an idiot. So here is a quote from a genius:
“You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”
― Richard Buckminster Fuller
Let's see, who am I going to listen to? And regarding how police, who are agents of the DHS these days, have treated Occupiers for the last seven months...
Well geez...you hate Occupy, and you have the power and resources to do whatever you want to destroy them...conspiracy theory? Or motive and opportunity? I dunno. We'll see.
Magoo48
(4,697 posts)We must find ways to build around the powers that be so that they become less and less relevant. These behaviors are slowly coming on line: co-op, local food, etc. Will I support this new way or fall back into a state of semi-conscienceless. I hope to stay awake and enthused. At 63 there is a growing desire to turn inward, yet responsibility tells me to do my share in keeping the pressure on. Time will tell.
Young people today will live times more interesting than mine have been to date, and that is saying something indeed...peace
marble falls
(56,996 posts)got people killed.
xchrom
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Generic Other
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deutsey
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Mosaic
(1,451 posts)"Left-wing organizations will always be framed in order to discredit them."
The thing is we can't let them do this forever. There is a solution. Find one and make this a left wing country! No more of this is a right wing country fucking meme!
Recursion
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Lars39
(26,106 posts)Magoo48
(4,697 posts)Authority will often lose its facad and quickly turn to the strong arm when we don't follow, or even question, "the rules".
U4ikLefty
(4,012 posts)So meh yourself.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I didn't realize there was more I had to do to be "authentic".
TBF
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starroute
(12,977 posts)I just read something at AmericaBlog (http://www.americablog.com/2012/05/why-occupy-movement-should-explicitly.html) complaining that Occupy "fetishishes" leadershiplessness and that the movement really needs leaders to condemn violence and set a moral tone.
But the lesson of the past is that as soon as someone appears to be a credible spokesperson for the movement, they will be attacked, discredited, or generally hounded into ineffectiveness.
This is already happening in a small way -- with the cops seizing on any available pretext (like arresting somebody's roommate on a six-year-old misdemeanor charge) to question people perceived as Occupy leaders.
But the abuses of the original Cointelpro went much further than this -- from spying on people to discover facts about their sex lives to messing up their employment and personal relationships and generally destroying their lives. And although the original Cointelpro was disbanded as part of the post-Watergate reforms, there was a second wave of Cointelpro-like operations in the 1980s directed against anti-Contra activists in the US.
So although Occupy may need to figure out a way to coordinate around certain moral standards, adopting a leadership system probably isn't it. Presenting a moving target is going to be a much higher priority.
Mc Mike
(9,111 posts)The movement publicly expressed non-violence right from the start, so bull crap 'underground' criminal actions are opposed to the principles all of the Occupiers espoused as a basis for originally getting together. Criminal acts oppose Occupy. Those actions are coming from the authorities, who fear Occupy. The 1%ers have been infiltrating progressive movements since the 1800's. SOP.
Some non-infiltrator activists occasionally do something dumb. When people get angry and hate-ful about a hateful system they are fighting against, sometimes their minds wind up in pawn to that system. Then they do something that is bad, and the system uses the incident for bad propaganda. They wind up working for the system, and they aren't even getting paid. But I haven't seen any angry or hateful people at the Occupy actions I attended.
Euph and Fire know I'm not an 'official' Occupier, because I blundered into their group on the 99% spring issue a while ago. I ally with Occupy, Spring, and Labor Dems on an issue-by-issue basis, or action-by-action basis. All I can say is Occupy is 99% right. Occupy is still outreaching to the unpoliticized 99% ers, and exposing the 1%ers. There will always be some bad guys out there, but refusing their 'underground action' enticements blunts half of their effectiveness. The other half is blunted by not distrusting strangers without good reason. Refuse to cease outreaching due to knowledge that the cointel 'pros' are out there. The cops want Occupy afraid to outreach and ally, because of worries about infiltration. They want an atmosphere of distrust among 99%ers who have been there from the start, too.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)I had long suspected, from the very start, that OWS, and the New York General Assembly, who created the idea, would be targeted for infiltration, subversion and possibly destruction from within as well as without(Badjacketing has also been popular as of late. Some disinfo outlets have gone so far as to claim that Occupy was born as a CIA covert op and that the Tea Party are the victims. Unfortunately, one decent researcher I know of seems to have been suckered into believing the former....which is sad because this guy has done a lot of good work.)
CoIntelPro tactics are indeed very much alive and well. And, not only did the original operation not only take over and subvert legitimate left-wing groups, but even assisted and allied with rightist ones. They may have even created a few rightist groups, like the CIA did with the 'anti-Castro' groups.
And speaking of that, I have begun to find some startling & eerie parallels between the Symbionese Liberation Army, and the Tea Party movement. It's interesting to note that both organizations appeared suddenly, at certain convenient(for the Establishment) times, and suddenly gained popularity out of the blue.
The only major difference here is, the SLA was extremely left-wing and the Tea Party has extreme right-wing roots.
I do wonder now, if the Tea Party is indeed just one more Intel creation along the lines of Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, etc. (or maybe of the Feds, or both!)
