Explain To Me...The Rest Of Us... How Resisting A Hillary Clinton Candidicay... Is Hating Hillary...
Over and over, there are responses here that say such.
I don't think anyone here HATES Hillary Clinton... I know I don't.
I just think they/I do not want her as our nominee this time around.
And accusing someone of hate, is counter-productive.
Reminds me of 2008.
And for those of party loyalty...
I've voted Democratic Party my entire life... Starting with Jerry Brown in 1974.
Yet... We've had our own... "anomolies"...
Joe Lieberman, Max Baucus, Evan Bayh, Zell Miller...
Are you saying you would support them just because they were Democrats ???
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Which is different from hating the Person.
Poor People's Campaign, 1968
In 1968, King and the SCLC organized the "Poor People's Campaign" to address issues of economic justice. King traveled the country to assemble "a multiracial army of the poor" that would march on Washington to engage in nonviolent civil disobedience at the Capitol until Congress created an "economic bill of rights" for poor Americans.
The campaign was preceded by King's final book, Where Do We Go from Here: Chaos or Community?, which laid out his view of how to address social issues and poverty. King quoted from Henry George and George's book, Progress and Poverty, particularly in support of a guaranteed basic income. The campaign culminated in a march on Washington, D.C., demanding economic aid to the poorest communities of the United States.
King and the SCLC called on the government to invest in rebuilding America's cities. He felt that Congress had shown "hostility to the poor" by spending "military funds with alacrity and generosity". He contrasted this with the situation faced by poor Americans, claiming that Congress had merely provided "poverty funds with miserliness". His vision was for change that was more revolutionary than mere reform: he cited systematic flaws of "racism, poverty, militarism and materialism", and argued that "reconstruction of society itself is the real issue to be faced".
The Poor People's Campaign was controversial even within the civil rights movement. Rustin resigned from the march, stating that the goals of the campaign were too broad, that its demands were unrealizable, and that he thought that these campaigns would accelerate the backlash and repression on the poor and the black.
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King_Jr.
He Continued...
The issue is injustice. The issue is the refusal of Memphis to be fair and honest in its dealings with its public servants, who happen to be sanitation workers.
Somewhere I read of the freedom of assembly. Somewhere I read of the freedom of speech. Somewhere I read of the freedom of press. Somewhere I read that the greatness of America is the right to protest for rights. And so just as I said, we aren't going to let dogs or water hoses turn us around. We aren't going to let any injunction turn us around. We are going on.
And he seemed to foreshadow his own death...
Like anybody, I would like to live - a long life; longevity has its place. But I'm not concerned about that now. I just want to do God's will. And He's allowed me to go up to the mountain. And I've looked over. And I've seen the Promised Land. I may not get there with you. But I want you to know tonight, that we, as a people, will get to the Promised Land. So I'm happy, tonight. I'm not worried about anything. I'm not fearing any man. Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord.
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27ve_Been_to_the_Mountaintop
And I could be wrong... tell me why.
I like it.
Nope. No I'm positive I like it! 
is because he's a black man in the white house ..."
You have seen that here at DU or elsewhere? I have heard conservatives accuse liberals of saying that "everyone who disagrees with Obama is a racist" but have never seen a liberal actually say that.
Same question as to whether you've seen that here on DU or elsewhere. Also, many who oppose Hillary support Elizabeth so it would be difficult to accuse them of misogyny. Perhaps I am not reading enough of the love Hillary or hate Hillary OP's. 
I was accused of racism once due to my criticism of Obama's ''Kill List Memos'' (an obvious violation of the Constitution), and it's use in the murder of a 16-year old American boy:
U.S. airstrike that killed American teen in Yemen raises legal, ethical questions
Yeah, me - 
But I have to laugh. It's pretty ridiculous.
I understand not wanting to let go of a hero. Of the grasping to anything to not allow that fall to happen in your mind and heart. However, reality is what it is and blind faith helps no one.
Unlike sexual indiscretions, kill lists, invasion of privacy, deregulation of banking rules, etc, matter. And they have to be acknowledged and addressed.
They don't change the good things that have been done. Either. And disagreeing is not only allowed in this country, it's necessary to keep the government in check. As is transparency. Which is another thing that this administration lacks.
Deswiss! So nice to see you!
That was my own criticism of myself. I do allow myself to be distracted. I do respond to things I shouldn't and I do allow the conversation to become derailed. I need to work on that.
We're good! I didn't take it as an affront.
So we'll keep each other in check!
Gotta start my day. Hope you have a great one!
Thanks!
You would invariably find those that could be categorized as "Hate".
But for those like me and you... and most of us here...
It is NOT HATE.
It is discussion... since NOBODY has declared... And NOBODY has been nominated.
Until then... it hopes, dreams, and nightmares.
Hint: Three Dot Journalism
Not saying I'm in the same class... at all.
But it does give people time to think... before they go...
And you just love the little guy, don't you?
I just thought about it . . . and then went . . . and took a piss!
I... am ... so... glad... you... are... relieved...
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herb_Caen
Starts there... and goes to when my mom informed me... decades too late for my taste.. (kidding here)
After Clint Eastwood did the films of Iwo Jima...
And Joe Rosenthal was part of the inspiration...
Joe Rosenthal, Raising the flag on Iwo Jima (February, 1945)
My old man never talked about the war...
But it was my mom decades after his death... seeing the Trailers of Eastwood's Iwo Jima Movies... that said.
"Rosenthal ??? Hell Billy... I had to drive down to Fairfield to bail him and your dad out of jail. The two geniuses were drinking in SF, decided after having several pops, to go see the State Fair in Sacramento. Hit a bridge abutment in Fairfield, and I had to bail their asses out... Joe Rosenthal."
Just sayin.
Used three dots... I think he probably started that entire trend.
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Wait until the first Primary/Caucus...
Wait until the Nomination...
Question: What if it is Hillary, and she says something many do not agree with here on DU ???
What then ???
What then?
There are hundreds of former campaign staff/activists who are looking to join a movement.
[center]It's the HILLARY, stupid!!! -- And ONLY the HILLARY!!![/center]
DLCers and 3rd-Wayers don't give a crap about TRUTH or HONESTY. Or the POOR. Yuck! Those are losing propositions, every last one of them.
That's what these snake-oil salesmen brought to the Democratic table -- right after Reagan busted Carter's chops in 1980. Seemed like a good idea at the time. In the South they were the old-style soft and moist, glad-handing politicos who couldn't make the jump with Nixon and his Southern Strategy. The Clintons were the Democrat's ''antidote'' to that strategy, and we've been slowing being poisoned by it ever since.
- You see, it turns you into a Republican when it's all said and done.....
K&R
Don't you know better than not to drag that darn barbecue inside!!
Now look at all the flames!
Crap, it'll take 4 days to put it all back in order!
This is why we can never have nice things!
I'm not even on a "team" at this point- it is entirely possible that I MAY vote for HRC in the primaries- but apparently even that stance- or mentioning things like the IWR vote, which I still have a problem with- is enough to get someone like me marked down on some folks' lists.
So I'm going to do a bit of armchair psychoanalyzing myself.
The most charitable interpretation, first: I do think some people are still deeply ...traumatized, maybe, is the best word-- by 12 years of Reagan-Bush, back between '80-'92. Back when it seemed we had been permanently locked out of the White House. Clinton- who, nevertheless only won his first term in a 3 way race, unlike Obama- seemed at the time like the long-overdue savior of our Party. Hell, he did to me. And honestly? I like Bill Clinton. I liked him then, I like him now. I liked and like Hillary, too. They are heavyweights in our party and should not be easily dismissed. And the Clinton years were far and away better than what came immediately before, or after- I understand nostalgia for those days, although I do think that in retrospect Clinton's presidency doesn't look as good as it did at the time, whereas conversely I think in the future Obama will get a much fairer shake from history.
But I do think some, many, people in our party feel that the Clinton name or magic is a talisman for victory, and maybe they're right. I suspect similar motivations are driving the GOP to run another "Bush". But the twice-election of Obama, like so many other things, proved that is not the truth, not for us. We don't need a Clinton on the ticket to win.
Next: I think there are many people who believe her connections and political ability make her hard, or impossible, to beat in the general. I am sympathetic to this line of reasoning, myself. Certainly she has been through having everything and the kitchen sink thrown at her, and she knows how to work the levers of power in DC.
Next: I think there are some people who HONESTLY believe she is the best candidate on the issues. I don't... quite understand this group as well, only because from where I sit she seems to have studiously avoided taking anything resembling a controversial or even identifiable stand on many of the major issues facing this country. Maybe this will change, once she is running an actual campaign. I hope so.
Lastly, I do think there is an element of over-the-top defensiveness around Hillary from some folks, for a variety of reasons. Maybe they still feel she was "robbed" in 2008-- there was certainly 8 years or more worth of bitterness floating around back then, wouldn't surprise me if some of it is still simmering. Maybe some people have excessively identified with her, emotionally, for reasons of their own personal issues or something akin. They see Hillary winning (or getting what she "deserves" since it's "her turn"
as some sort of vindication, or payback, to some personal slight or life grievance of their own.
I also think many of these people have an attitude about Hillary, and the inevitableness they seem vested in promoting (again), which is sort of like Wile E. Coyote "don't look down" physics. "She would have been inevitable last time if people just hadn't argued that she wasn't!"... so this time no one must be allowed to entertain the idea that there may even be an actual, contested primary.
Other people seem to have gone completely off the rails as to what they seem to think a Hillary win would accomplish, completely separating from anything resembling actual expectations of what her administration would be expected to try to achieve- at this point, unless she tacks hard in a different direction during the campaign, it would probably be more moderate Democrat Clinton-style triangulation, but--- doubtfully any sort of bold or drastic change. I don't think that is a brash piece of speculation.
She may be the nominee, and if she is I will enthusiastically vote for her in the general. I may even vote for her in the primaries, but I absolutely do not understand what purpose browbeating people who aren't on board yet, serves.
