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cali

(114,904 posts)
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 01:42 PM Mar 2015

Just Curious Poll. Is it sexist to describe a female politician as a harpy?


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Yes
6 (55%)
No
5 (45%)
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Just Curious Poll. Is it sexist to describe a female politician as a harpy? (Original Post) cali Mar 2015 OP
For anyone who voted NO, a question: Is it OK in your mind, to call a black person "uppity"? cali Mar 2015 #1
No, it's not. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #4
On edit, no, of course not! nt Zorra Mar 2015 #6
No. and I don't understand why you would even feel the need to ask such a thing. hlthe2b Mar 2015 #8
I screwed up. I meant to write no. cali Mar 2015 #16
I think there would be a higher probablility.... NCTraveler Mar 2015 #9
are you fucking kidding us with these questions? Hell no, It is not OK to do either Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #10
I wrote Yes in my question when I meant no. cali Mar 2015 #11
ok, thanks. you were warping my brain. honestly though, that we have to even ask these questions on Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #15
Oh, no, please don't bring up the H word, Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #2
harpy is a gender specific word and would be considered sexist Takket Mar 2015 #3
I would acribe a designation of "low grade" as a sexist term, but still sexist. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #5
lol ... low grade Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #12
Not to be confused with "Low Down".... NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #31
should I compare it to dickhead? is dickhead similiarly low grade? Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #32
They're all sexist, in the end. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #35
and this is why I love ya, man Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #37
Why does it matter where on the spectrum of sexism it's placed? Gormy Cuss Mar 2015 #28
Because words matter and some words are more destructive than others. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #33
Thoughtful people also recognize that all are offensive Gormy Cuss Mar 2015 #45
honestly. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #34
Are you really going to freak out if someone said "what a gyp?" ZombieHorde Mar 2015 #43
Gyp is an ethnic slur and yes, I've pointed that out when it's said in my presence. Gormy Cuss Mar 2015 #46
Your point about the cumulative effect is pretty good. ZombieHorde Mar 2015 #51
A funny story about "gyp" Gormy Cuss Mar 2015 #52
That is funny. nt ZombieHorde Mar 2015 #53
Yes. Please mansplain to me exactly how much outrage I'm allowed msanthrope Mar 2015 #48
No. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2015 #7
It's long been used as a term to belittle women. Almost exclusively outside cali Mar 2015 #13
Maybe so. I've never heard it before. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2015 #49
If you can come up with any male-specific derogatory terms Arkana Mar 2015 #14
So you're not going to carp if HIllary gets called a harpy? cali Mar 2015 #17
I expect it from them, and I know she's not. Arkana Mar 2015 #19
We do like to rationalize our biases and pretend we've put thought into them... LanternWaste Mar 2015 #40
I don't particularly like the words but asshole and fuckhead are gender neutral./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #18
"ted cruz" nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #21
Do you call McCain or Cruz a harpy? If not, why not? uppityperson Mar 2015 #23
Why is a gender-specific term necessary? Gormy Cuss Mar 2015 #25
Chris Christie is a dick. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #26
Because men are so terribly oppressed. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #39
Seems clear to me to be a sexist term. morningfog Mar 2015 #20
I would imagine calling any female one is sexist. Prism Mar 2015 #22
Depends. Is she? n/t cigsandcoffee Mar 2015 #24
cute. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #27
Is it necessary or even useful to level personal insults at politicians Maedhros Mar 2015 #29
^this^ Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #36
Harpy: A grasping unpleasant woman. JEB Mar 2015 #30
note. the word. woman. thus, sexist. that simple. the end. eom. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #38
People who use the term have no understanding of the mythology Kalidurga Mar 2015 #41
I think we're becoming way too politically correct. Vinca Mar 2015 #42
Yes, unless the person is playing D&D. ZombieHorde Mar 2015 #44
Why? earthside Mar 2015 #47
Yes. Charles Pierce about Carly Fiorini cali Mar 2015 #50
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
1. For anyone who voted NO, a question: Is it OK in your mind, to call a black person "uppity"?
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 01:49 PM
Mar 2015

Oops. Total space out: I wrote YES initially in my question. I meant NO.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
9. I think there would be a higher probablility....
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 01:55 PM
Mar 2015

of an affirmative if you asked the "no" responses your follow up. Anyway, the answer for me in the poll is yes, and no to your follow up.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
15. ok, thanks. you were warping my brain. honestly though, that we have to even ask these questions on
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 02:00 PM
Mar 2015

this board any more.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
2. Oh, no, please don't bring up the H word,
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 01:52 PM
Mar 2015

although in my defense it wasn't a politician I was talking about way back when.

Takket

(22,182 posts)
3. harpy is a gender specific word and would be considered sexist
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 01:53 PM
Mar 2015

when used as an insult (much like B****)

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
5. I would acribe a designation of "low grade" as a sexist term, but still sexist.
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 01:53 PM
Mar 2015

Sad to say, there are so many sexist terms, some horrid, that I wouldn't lump them all together.



Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
12. lol ... low grade
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 01:58 PM
Mar 2015

somehow makes it sound worse ... LOL

omg ... as if to be damned with faint praise.

on lordie me. thanks for this laugh.

so funny.

my poor brain.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
31. Not to be confused with "Low Down"....
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 02:24 PM
Mar 2015

Like "Low Down Dirty....." and then followed by some absurd thing.


On the topic, I learned one thing and one thing only during the OJ trials that I didn't know before.

Hysterical is a sexist term, given the etymology.

While we might use it to describe a man or a woman who might be in an agitated state, it's technically a sexist term.

Low grade, I'd say.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
32. should I compare it to dickhead? is dickhead similiarly low grade?
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 02:27 PM
Mar 2015

just stop, please. you have already inserted your foot and are now chewing up to your knee.

I don't want you to hurt yourself the day before your surgery.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
33. Because words matter and some words are more destructive than others.
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 02:27 PM
Mar 2015

Wanting to fit all of anything into a nice box is handy, but thoughtful people might want to recognize that there are shades of offensiveness.

"Hysterical" is not as abusive and hurtful as "C***".

Some words have even lost their meaning. How may people even know the etymology of hysterical or harpy?

Alternatively, Ni***** is clearly a specific racial epithet. So, yes, I also grade racist and homophobic terms.

I use a weighted scale, with regional modifications.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
45. Thoughtful people also recognize that all are offensive
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 02:44 PM
Mar 2015

and that there is a cumulative deleterious effect when less abusive ones are used with impunity.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
43. Are you really going to freak out if someone said "what a gyp?"
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 02:42 PM
Mar 2015

"Gyp" is racist but it isn't even close to the n-word in our culture.

Is calling a guy a "dick" the same as calling a woman a c-word? Of course not, even though both are sexist.

There is obviously a spectrum and that spectrum matters very much in our culture.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
46. Gyp is an ethnic slur and yes, I've pointed that out when it's said in my presence.
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 02:48 PM
Mar 2015

No, calling a guy a dick isn't the same but there IS no equivalent because of power dynamics, just as there is no racial equivalent for whites to n*****.

The spectrum matters in terms of an individual response but as I noted above, lesser offensive terms used without challenge can have a cumulative effect that is just as injurious.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
51. Your point about the cumulative effect is pretty good.
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 04:50 PM
Mar 2015

I don't think "gyp" is as bad as the n-word in our culture, so I do believe there is a significant spectrum, but you made a good point.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
52. A funny story about "gyp"
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 05:11 PM
Mar 2015

I was sitting with colleagues at lunch and someone used the term "gypped." I pointed out gently that it was an ethnic slur and should be avoided. One of the other people piped up to say that it was just slang and no more an ethnic slur than saying someone "jewed you."

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
48. Yes. Please mansplain to me exactly how much outrage I'm allowed
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 02:52 PM
Mar 2015

on your grading scale.

Next, I can't wait for your grading scale on racist or homophobic terms....Oh Wait, you already did that in post #33.

Because that's what this board lacks......another white, straight, privileged male telling the rest of us where he lumps in terms that never apply to him.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
13. It's long been used as a term to belittle women. Almost exclusively outside
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 01:59 PM
Mar 2015

the mythical realm.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,179 posts)
49. Maybe so. I've never heard it before.
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 02:55 PM
Mar 2015

However, Pierce is specifically targeting Fiorina in this instance. She is a monster of sorts.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
14. If you can come up with any male-specific derogatory terms
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 02:00 PM
Mar 2015

for asshole male politicians, let me know.

Until then, when I see Sarah Palin screeching out another word salad about Obama being a tyrant on TV, I will continue calling her a harpy. If the shoe fits and all that.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
19. I expect it from them, and I know she's not.
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 02:02 PM
Mar 2015

They can call Hillary a harpy, but anyone with a brain knows she's not. Sarah Palin, on the other hand, is a skeletal, overly made-up, shrieking moron who goes on TV and blathers long, undecipherable word salads about how terrible Obama and the Democrats are.

She's a harpy.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
40. We do like to rationalize our biases and pretend we've put thought into them...
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 02:36 PM
Mar 2015

We do like to rationalize our biases and pretend we've put thought into them...

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
25. Why is a gender-specific term necessary?
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 02:14 PM
Mar 2015

Asshole works for all.

If "Sarah Palin screeching out another word salad about Obama being a tyrant on TV" qualifies as being a harpy, I assume you'll be using the term on Ted Cruz too.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
39. Because men are so terribly oppressed.
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 02:34 PM
Mar 2015

And there's a litany of insults designed to remind them how they're less than others.

Oh wait, nevermind, that's total bullshit. My bad.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
29. Is it necessary or even useful to level personal insults at politicians
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 02:16 PM
Mar 2015

when attacking their ideas is more effective?

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
41. People who use the term have no understanding of the mythology
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 02:36 PM
Mar 2015

if they did they wouldn't use it in a derogatory way.

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