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(32,324 posts)
Fri May 4, 2012, 01:47 PM May 2012

Calif. Public Utilities Commission brings it to the plate -

As of April 27th. the CPUC is issuing guidelines that favor the customers in Southern Calif and San Diego.

Smart meters are understood by activists to contain the same type of radio frequency radiation that Dr Neil Cherry spent so much of his life trying to warn us about.

From the URL and website listed below:


However, there are too many studies, including WHO’s designation of it as a carcinogen, which show (even as it becomes so ubiquitous in our society) that radio frequency electromagnetic radiation may have adverse health effects.

As the late Dr. Neil Cherry has said in a radio interview “Our brain is an electromagnetic organ. [In] our central nervous system, every cell communicates with its neighbors to see how they are by using electromagnetic signals.” One effect RF electromagnetic radiation can have is to disrupt the calcium ions in our brains. Says Dr. Cherry “calcium ions control the neurotransmitters in the brain. . . If you expose the brain to these frequencies-you alter the calcium ions–you alter the brain patterns."

That’s what Ross Adey in California showed; repeated by the EPA; Carl Blackman; and it’s been repeated in about 10 or 12 laboratories in the world–that calcium ions are changed by these signals. That’s pretty well established. Frequencies match and cells react and change the behavior which changes the brain pattern, the reaction time.”


I was fortunate to spend most of one day with Dr Cherry back in the early nineties. He had come to San Francisco to help activists there complain about the installation of new cell phone antennae in their neighborhoods. At that point in time, the cell phone industry spokespeople were telling the public: The only thing this radiation can do is cause brain tumors. Which are usually benign, and so nothing to really worry about." (I have no idea why they said this out loud, but they did. The industry has finally wised up - they will no longer admit to the RF electro magnetic radiation and brain tumor connection.)

So one activist took to the mike at the community informational meeting. She explained that her living so close to the Tower was the cause of her illness. And yes, her brain tumor was benign, but it had affected her speech. Then while she was on the operating table having said tumor removed, she had a heart attack.

Calif. Public Utilities Commission brings it to the plate - (Original Post) truedelphi May 2012 OP
smart meters are just a way to jack up the bill, they do nothing useful for customers nt msongs May 2012 #1
I was amazed that when the PG& E reps came out to truedelphi May 2012 #3
More from the rad haz looneys ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #2
Oh, noes! My city water department just installed MineralMan May 2012 #4
put a "dr." in front of someones name and they snooper2 May 2012 #5
Dr Cherry was honored at the time of his death for being one truedelphi May 2012 #10
Dr. Cherry died in 2003. His info isn't all that current, MineralMan May 2012 #6
So scientific studies, and scientific truedelphi May 2012 #7
No, and research has continued after his death. MineralMan May 2012 #8
Oh and someone of the usual suspects added that truedelphi May 2012 #9


(32,324 posts)
3. I was amazed that when the PG& E reps came out to
Fri May 4, 2012, 02:44 PM
May 2012

My county, Lake County, and addressed the Supervisors, the Supervisors tore them a new one.

The premise by which the utilities are spending some 2.1 billions of dollars to equip each home with smart meters is that the meters will enable people to understand that they are using too much energy during the day time, along with everyone else.

So the Supervisors listened to this, and then said, "How can this help anyone in our county? People use their AC in the summer, as the weather here is relentless. How can running your AC at night when it is in the low sixties help you out when it is 110 during the day?"

None of the reps had any answers. There were other questions as well - like how does a person running a business that relies on air compression manage to switch their energy useage to wee Am hours? Are customers going to be willing to come in between 7Pm at night and 7Am?

I saw one YouTube presentation that states that about 100 bucks a year will be saved if people switch their day time energy needs over to night time. This is not much if any type of savings, especially not when you factor in the cost of the Smart Meter program.


(145,866 posts)
4. Oh, noes! My city water department just installed
Fri May 4, 2012, 03:01 PM
May 2012

one of those clever meters in my basement. And here I thought it was a cool use of technology. Besides, they replace two old shut-off valves that have been open since 1954. I was afraid to turn them off, frankly.

So, now I get brain tumors, eh. Just let me make a hat out of this aluminum foil, here, and I'll be just fine...


(32,324 posts)
10. Dr Cherry was honored at the time of his death for being one
Mon May 7, 2012, 01:07 PM
May 2012

Of the individuals who helped his fellow New Zealanders understand why being pro-nuke is bad. New Zealand is a nuke free zone currently.

By the way, putting a Dr in front of someone's name means they have a PhD. I realize a PhD is no match for the kicking and laughing smilie character you use as proof of your intelligence, but Cherry was too busy in his life doing very real, (and very non-corporate science) to care much about people whose claim to fame is smilie useage.


(145,866 posts)
6. Dr. Cherry died in 2003. His info isn't all that current,
Fri May 4, 2012, 03:12 PM
May 2012

I'm thinking. Perhaps quoting someone who was alive more recently would be a good bet.


(32,324 posts)
7. So scientific studies, and scientific
Fri May 4, 2012, 03:20 PM
May 2012

concepts expire after the person who deals with them dies?

I sure wasn't aware of that.

And you need to get the word out to those who currently use Albert Einstein's theories. He's been dead for decades!


(145,866 posts)
8. No, and research has continued after his death.
Fri May 4, 2012, 03:21 PM
May 2012

Do you know what that research shows? It might be worthwhile finding out.

BTW, do you own a cell phone?


(32,324 posts)
9. Oh and someone of the usual suspects added that
Sat May 5, 2012, 01:46 PM
May 2012

Since Dr Neil Cherry's studies occurred before his death in 2003, that nothing new was being added to our data base of studies.

I am not sure if said poster

1) expected Neil Cherry to continue to do studies after his death (Jeesh - the guy was beloved by activists all over the world, and especially in his native New Zealand, but he wasn't Christ)
2) there are indeed plenty or studies about the risks associated with teh RF electric magnetic radiation

This study just came out, and though it contains some flaws, it still poses more than a push and a shove into the realm of thinking about the matter. The study indicates that we need to continue delving into the matter.


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