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marmar

(77,086 posts)
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 10:33 AM Apr 2015

Bill Black: We Send Teachers to Prison for Rigging the Numbers, Why Not Bankers?


By Bill Black, the author of The Best Way to Rob a Bank is to Own One and an associate professor of economics and law at the University of Missouri-Kansas City. Jointly published with New Economic Perspectives

The New York Times ran the story on April Fools’ Day of a jury convicting educators of gaming the test numbers and lying about their actions to investigators.

ATLANTA — In a dramatic conclusion to what has been described as the largest cheating scandal in the nation’s history, a jury here on Wednesday convicted 11 educators for their roles in a standardized test cheating scandal that tarnished a major school district’s reputation and raised broader questions about the role of high-stakes testing in American schools.

On their eighth day of deliberations, the jurors convicted 11 of the 12 defendants of racketeering, a felony that carries up to 20 years in prison. Many of the defendants — a mixture of Atlanta public school teachers, testing coordinators and administrators — were also convicted of other charges, such as making false statements, that could add years to their sentences.


This was complicated trial that took six months to present and required eight days of jury deliberations. It was a major commitment of investigative and prosecutorial resources. But it was not investigated and prosecuted by the FBI and AUSAs, but by state and local officials. In addition to the trial success, the prosecutors secured 21 guilty pleas.

Atlanta’s public schools, of course, did not engage in “the largest cheating scandal in the nation’s history.” The big banks’ cheating scandals left the Atlanta educators in the dust.

The two obvious questions are why the educators cheated and how they got caught. “High-stakes testing” cannot explain the scandal because we have had such tests for over 50 years. The article explains the real drivers – compensation, promotions, fear, and ego (aka “reputation”). .................(more)

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/04/bill-black-send-teachers-prison-rigging-numbers-not-bankers.html




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Bill Black: We Send Teachers to Prison for Rigging the Numbers, Why Not Bankers? (Original Post) marmar Apr 2015 OP
teachers can't afford $1000/hour lawyers who used to work at the SEC and DOJ nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #1
Or the lobbyists or the campaign contributions. nt Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #14
Both very true... daleanime Apr 2015 #17
if only you knew about this practice wilt the stilt Apr 2015 #41
Because bankers bribe our politicians every election highmindedhavi Apr 2015 #2
Teachers don't have the $$ Ainaloa Apr 2015 #6
And are made up of a lot of women. AwakeAtLast Apr 2015 #27
And highly educated women are dangerous and scary. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #30
And in this case, the defendants were black, so that adds an extra dimension to the system's tblue37 Apr 2015 #45
I noticed that, too AwakeAtLast Apr 2015 #46
How much legislation can you afford? NT Trillo Apr 2015 #12
It seems lately that all Politicians donnasgirl Apr 2015 #15
Separate and unequal: two systems of justice in this country. For the well-heeled one system and KingCharlemagne Apr 2015 #3
A corrupted legal system is a by product of capitalism fasttense Apr 2015 #40
I'm not even sure the legal system is 'corrupted,' truth to tell. As a part of the 'superstructure' KingCharlemagne Apr 2015 #42
So you are saying capitalism by design has a corrupted legal system fasttense Apr 2015 #47
"Corrupted" is such a value-laden term (as is "by design"), so I'd have to think carefully about KingCharlemagne Apr 2015 #48
Most of these educators and administrators were black? Banksters are white? And oh, so rich. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #4
Or at least Michelle Rhee... deurbano Apr 2015 #5
Because the GOP has America so fucked up Takket Apr 2015 #7
true, but bankster enabling seems to be a bipartisan affair marmar Apr 2015 #8
But please don't fall into the whole false-equivalency thing. Both sides, both sides... calimary Apr 2015 #21
yes, there are dems like Elizabeth Warren...... marmar Apr 2015 #23
It is an ugly fact, but one we cannot ignore. We still have the exact same lack of regulation liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #26
yep marmar Apr 2015 #34
Just more proof that teachers are evil... ybbor Apr 2015 #9
+1. Demonizing teachers is how low some elements in this country have sunk, all for profit, at the appalachiablue Apr 2015 #28
When TPTB demand impossible results and attach draconian penalties to tblue37 Apr 2015 #44
Teachers don't own judges. Madmiddle Apr 2015 #10
How much justice can you afford? NT Trillo Apr 2015 #11
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Apr 2015 #13
Matt Taibbi turbinetree Apr 2015 #16
Because Wall Street banksters rule this counrtry project_bluebook Apr 2015 #18
We thought the same thing in our house. SoapBox Apr 2015 #19
If you even speak ill of banksters, they will threaten to withhold your campaign money. tclambert Apr 2015 #20
The GOP has fucked up our system beyond repair. Initech Apr 2015 #22
It's not just the GOP that are responsible for the banking mess. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #25
The answer is easy, $$$$$$$$ liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #24
Teachers don't own the politicians who appoint the prosecutors. hifiguy Apr 2015 #29
+1 Enthusiast Apr 2015 #31
Looking through the lists of "People Not To Send To Prison Because They Donated" I jtuck004 Apr 2015 #32
American Justice B Calm Apr 2015 #33
Teachers.. sendero Apr 2015 #35
Damned good question. nt eppur_se_muova Apr 2015 #36
William K. Black is the Man. Octafish Apr 2015 #37
Bankers stealing from workers isn't a crime. It's a feature of the system. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #38
$ = "JUSTICE." The more $ you have, the more "JUSTICE" you can buy. blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #39
Jason Linkins on HuffPo just did a viciously funny piece about this very point: tblue37 Apr 2015 #43

Ainaloa

(16 posts)
6. Teachers don't have the $$
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 11:18 AM
Apr 2015

My thoughts exactly. Teachers don't have billion dollar bank accounts with which to "grease" the wheels of the legal system and make it perfectly legal to cook the numbers.

tblue37

(65,458 posts)
45. And in this case, the defendants were black, so that adds an extra dimension to the system's
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 10:06 AM
Apr 2015

determination to throw the biggest book possible at them.

donnasgirl

(656 posts)
15. It seems lately that all Politicians
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 11:55 AM
Apr 2015

Have their greedy fingers in the pie, I will say that I have my doubts these teachers are even guilty of this but we all know the bankers are thieves with a license and that our Political class keeps letting them slide past the laws.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
3. Separate and unequal: two systems of justice in this country. For the well-heeled one system and
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 10:59 AM
Apr 2015

for the rest of us . . .

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
40. A corrupted legal system is a by product of capitalism
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 08:24 AM
Apr 2015

There are times in history where democracy is able to momentarily rein in capitalism with rules and laws. That's when real justice and fairness runs the legal system from the federal level to the local. Today, democracy has lost the battle. Capitalism has made a commodity out of justice and laws. You can buy it for a high price. But it is no longer available for free. Capitalism has won out. It rules us all now.

You can have democracy or you can have capitalism but you can't have both. Americans have made their decision and it is NOT in favor of democracy.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
42. I'm not even sure the legal system is 'corrupted,' truth to tell. As a part of the 'superstructure'
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 09:37 AM
Apr 2015

as Marxists use the term, the workings of the legal system both determine and are determined by the underlying substructure.

As the kids might say, "Not a bug, a feature!"

Capitalism may not inevitably slide into fascism -- Lenin and his heirs have debated this point ad nauseum -- but it seems inevitable to decay towards oligarchy. We now have one legal system for the oligarchs and their enablers, another legal system for the rest of us here.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
47. So you are saying capitalism by design has a corrupted legal system
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 10:10 AM
Apr 2015

Not that anyone really designed it but it is how the powers that be stay in power and a corrupted legal system assist with that. So a corrupted legal system is determined by our economic system.

So if we fix our economic system our legal system will change. America always works backwards and tries to fix the legal systems with laws and rules. But the legal system always reverts back to corruption because of our economic system. Interesting. Thanks for the info.

I should probably read Marx but I just haven't found the time.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
48. "Corrupted" is such a value-laden term (as is "by design"), so I'd have to think carefully about
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 08:24 PM
Apr 2015

whether a legal system that does exactly what the substructure 'needs' and 'requires' it to do -- ratify, propagate and replicate the existing set of property relations -- can ever really be called 'corrupted'.

I'm not sure what 'fix our economic system' means any longer; ours is a system that has produced a situation where 10% of the population controls (aka "owns&quot 80% of its wealth. Politicians and lawyers both play roles in the superstructure that seek to perpetuate the underlying substructure.

One goal I have before I die is to read Das Kapital in its original German. Like you, though, making time for that goal is easier said than done.

calimary

(81,385 posts)
21. But please don't fall into the whole false-equivalency thing. Both sides, both sides...
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 01:27 PM
Apr 2015

YES they hedge their bets by giving to Dems too. But seriously, it's like comparing a brick to a grain of aquarium gravel and declaring they're both the same thing because they both have hard surfaces.

Besides, which side are they threatening now, over Elizabeth Warren? The GOP, too? NOPE! HARDLY!!!!

marmar

(77,086 posts)
23. yes, there are dems like Elizabeth Warren......
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 02:28 PM
Apr 2015

Last edited Sat Apr 4, 2015, 10:09 AM - Edit history (1)

..... And plenty like Chuck Schumer. ..... And let's be real, how many Goldman Sachs, Citi etc alums have permeated the Clinton and Obama administrations? It's an ugly fact.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
26. It is an ugly fact, but one we cannot ignore. We still have the exact same lack of regulation
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 02:35 PM
Apr 2015

in place that enabled the financial collapse. It will happen again. The question is not if, but when.

ybbor

(1,555 posts)
9. Just more proof that teachers are evil...
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 11:27 AM
Apr 2015

Greedy, self-serving, egotistical, overpaid louts.

Wait what am I saying? I'm a teacher.

Could be the pressure of these ever growing number of standardized tests on their professional future.

And bankers are groovy!

appalachiablue

(41,159 posts)
28. +1. Demonizing teachers is how low some elements in this country have sunk, all for profit, at the
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 05:19 PM
Apr 2015

expense of children, families, communities and society. It makes you wonder if any of these buy-partisan corporate raiders of public school funds realize how unchristian their actions are or if they remember that Jesus was a teacher.
Matthew 4:23,
'Jesus went through Galilee, teaching in the synagogues, preaching the goodness of the kingdom and healing every disease and sickness among the people'.

Re Banks: I believe BoA (Bank of America) was made to pay fines in 2012 for giving employees incentives (bonuses, $) for foreclosures on peoples homes.

tblue37

(65,458 posts)
44. When TPTB demand impossible results and attach draconian penalties to
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 10:04 AM
Apr 2015

failure to achieve impossible results, then cheating is *inevitable*.

 

Madmiddle

(459 posts)
10. Teachers don't own judges.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 11:33 AM
Apr 2015

Nor can they really afford a battalion of Harvard trained lawyers. The justice system in this country is the problem.

turbinetree

(24,710 posts)
16. Matt Taibbi
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 11:59 AM
Apr 2015

in his book "The Divide" pretty well explains how the haves screw -----people / human beings and the have not's-----just plain get screwed

 

project_bluebook

(411 posts)
18. Because Wall Street banksters rule this counrtry
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 12:46 PM
Apr 2015

and American sheep are more then happy to keep feeding them.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
19. We thought the same thing in our house.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 01:20 PM
Apr 2015

Oh and...

WMD's anyone? What did that cost us...and that was under Oath!

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
32. Looking through the lists of "People Not To Send To Prison Because They Donated" I
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 07:22 PM
Apr 2015

don't see teachers...

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cid=N00009638

Top donors to 2008 campaign...



University of California $1,799,460
Goldman Sachs $1,034,615
Harvard University $900,909
Microsoft Corp $854,717
JPMorgan Chase & Co $847,895
Google Inc $817,855
Citigroup Inc $755,057
US Government $638,335
Time Warner $617,844
Sidley Austin LLP $606,260
...
 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
38. Bankers stealing from workers isn't a crime. It's a feature of the system.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 12:44 AM
Apr 2015

On the other hand, every worker who gets a job with faked credentials is stealing from those bankers.

Our kids, specifically their ability to incur debt, are the raw material for the bank factory.

tblue37

(65,458 posts)
43. Jason Linkins on HuffPo just did a viciously funny piece about this very point:
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 09:58 AM
Apr 2015

"Some Atlanta Educators Just Learned A Cynical Lesson About Accountability In America"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/03/atlanta-educator-cheating-scandal_n_7001214.html

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