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Cirque du So-What
(29,732 posts)That's all I have to say on the subject. Anything else falls outside my age and racial demographic.
3catwoman3
(29,406 posts)...that, IMO, no one should use it.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)It's not a thing. Kaminsky isn't black and calling him a slur connected with being black doesn't carry the same weight.
You want a good take on this? Get Michael Wilbon's thoughts.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Do you have a link?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Harrison was dead wrong and showed a lack of class.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)a f-gg-t?
That's ok because he's not gay?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)If a gay guy called a straight guy one, I'd look, but I don't think it would have much impact. Gays have not been oppressing straight men for centuries, jailing them for having sex, torturing them, even castrating them and other extreme forms of abuse.
Just good to know what slurs are acceptable and who can use them.
treestar
(82,383 posts)It shows that to Harrison, it's just an insult and he forgot the one he wanted to insult was white. Or it has become to Mr. Harrison just an insult that anyone can received.
That link doesn't contain the actual slur but a black person, Stephen Smith, explaining why he might have done it. This is why the word IMVHO should not be accepted from black people either, but like Mr. Smith says in that link, the younger generation uses it freely. Black people likely don't all agree on it, either.
In some ways it has become different. So if Kaminsky used it on Harrison, it might not mean old fashioned racism, but the current insult it is today among young people. Though he'd never get a pass on that now, but in a few decades, maybe.
Like when you read Huck Finn and it's everywhere in there, but you don't get the idea it was even an insult back then. At least, it hadn't become one yet, and simply meant "slave." The slaves used it too and they weren't insulting each other. Words change over time. This one has a long history and is the most charged up word in the English language. A white person can't even type it (and that's not a complaint, but an observation that I would feel too bad to type or say it).
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)seems to now be commonly used as a general pronoun by younger people. My 5 step-kids (Causcasion/Latino) grew up in a predominantly black area and they all use this form of the word towards each other and toward their black contemporaries. They're all in their 20s now (minus one who committed suicide) and don't use it as much, but they still use it as if it's nothing at all.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Words are so fascinating. I think that the word with "a" ending you mention may be another phenomena. It is said taking the word over can take its apparent power away. As in the B word - women try to take it over and use it and then it can lose its power as an insult.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)pejorative version powerless.
I can tell you this without any reservation that I may be wrong: the variation word is used freely on basketball teams everywhere by basketball players everywhere, especially at practice and in other non-formal situations, between b-ball players of all colors, and without even a second thought by anyone involved in it's use, talker or listener.
Teamster Jeff
(1,598 posts)Andrew Harrison Apologizes To Frank Kaminsky
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Despite the apology, whites are expected to continue furiously tweeting out “Stay classy” and starting Facebook arguments on the lines of “Why is okay when they do it?” Drunk white uncles across the land, meanwhile, are reportedly rubbing their hands with glee and planning to make Easter dinners incredibly awkward.
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http://deadspin.com/andrew-harrison-apologizes-to-frank-kaminsky-1695809394?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Dreamer Tatum
(10,996 posts)
NCjack
(10,297 posts)Afro-American or Black. Instead, the target may be judged to be of lesser talent or skill or displeasing. We may be arriving to the point in time in which there are "White N------". Good. The words "redneck," "hillbilly," "cracker," etc. cause no offense to white jerks. Maybe being called (white) "N-----" will also be non-offensive. As the word "N-----" is stripped of color, its power to offend will dissolve away.
Paladin
(32,354 posts)
forthemiddle
(1,459 posts)If we accept it from one, we should accept it from all. Or vice versa.
If on the other hand we want to teach the next generation that it is a vile and disgusting word, regardless of the context we should at least be consistant.
If he was my son, he would know that it is never an acceptable word!
Journeyman
(15,448 posts)Quite a number of them walked off the court without so much as a glance backward. I understand their frustrations and disappointment, but that doesn't excuse their behavior, or go far explaining it, either.
Harrison's comment was only another in a series of classless acts by Kentucky that night. But like the walk-away and the other snubs, it's something between the players. As a fan, I enjoyed the game, and despite some questionable calls that went both ways, the better team won. And this morning, we see they were the better team in so many different ways.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)I am also free to think he and many of his teammates, who walked off the court in a snit without even shaking hands with the Wisconsin players, are a bunch of low class punks.
One positive aspect is that they will all be gone to the NBA next year, to be replaced by yet another gang of one-and-done hired hit men.
exboyfil
(18,359 posts)allowed to write a racial slur on a whiteboard and post on social media. Un of South Carolina thought not and suspended her. Should a similar punishment happen to Harrison? He said it in front of a national television audience in a formal setting.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)Not just the use of the "n" word itself but the overall stupidity and lack of class of the way he said it.
And I doubt that it would make much difference to him. He probably doesn't plan to come back next year anyway. It's the University of Kentucky after all, no players ever stay there for four years and most leave for the NBA after one or two.
Ohio Joe
(21,898 posts)I think the desperate reach of the white establishment to justify racism annoys the crap out of me.
That... Is what I think.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Do you think the white establishment is using this to justify racism?
JustAnotherGen
(38,054 posts)Post #12.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(135,713 posts)Last edited Sun Apr 5, 2015, 03:15 PM - Edit history (1)
If he takes responsibility and owns up to his mistake then good for him.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)Should they be given a pass and be allowed to go along on their merry way with no consequences also?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Like it's the same exact situation. 
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(135,713 posts)
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)call him that on FB.
from what I can glean from the outside looking in ...
this younger generation has taken the word to be a euphemism for :family:
also ... whites call whites that to each other on FB among that younger generation.
I am not making judgement one way or the other just making a comment/anecdote about what I have observed on FB.
I hear the word daily, as I work with blacks and they use it among themselves when talking to/about each other.
on edit: I have asked/discussed this phenomenon in the AA group.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)in my last job.
Never did I hear them use that word. Nor did I hear the black men use it.
Of course, they were all college educated and it was a professional environment.
Truly, I cannot imagine any of them using that word. Several of my black cubie neighbors told me they despised the word.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)These people barely have a high school education.
But, I am speaking to the younger generation and what I see happening on the local scene among a lower socioeconomic group.
Very diverse area in which these kids are growing up.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I've heard it used amongst teenagers out in public - malls etc.
Personally, I hate the word.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)years ago.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Very cool on the poetry thing!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)if black supremacy were an issue in America, then maybe I would care.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Unwelcome when some people here discuss racism or sexism?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I should ignore these weak attempts at pretense. But it is just too obvious.
treestar
(82,383 posts)not racism or sexism. And how superior you apparently are.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Like those who'd prefer to pretend racism doesn't mean anything more the bigotry. Because you know, there no reason to acknowledge any historical context of study of the phenomenon. God forbid you give context to those who want to sweep history under the rug, cause they dont want to know.
treestar
(82,383 posts)can bring up centuries of historical context when he's mad his team lost a basketball game. Maybe some PhD candidate can write a paper on it. Thanks, Mr. Harrison.
I really don't think there are DUers who sweep all that under the rug. Right wingers, maybe.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Lol, thanks for proving my point.
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oberliner
(58,724 posts)I was just asking.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Keep up the fight!
oberliner
(58,724 posts)How are white mass oppressed or downtrodden?
What are you talking about?
treestar
(82,383 posts)Which I guess it was meant as, it does mean Mr. Harrison feels comfortable insulting a white man, in no danger. Mr. Kaminsky can't do anything about it, though I admit he might just find it funny more than insulting. But it sort of indicates more equality than not. Mr. Harrison forgot the guy he was insulting was white, apparently, and it shows he feels equal. He thinks the N word can apply to white people. He doesn't sound like one for clinging to the victim status - though it appears he may be a poor sport today. But he's not letting Kaminsky have supremacy/privilege. He's treating him as though he considers them equal.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It depends on how it is used. It means something different depending on how it is used and who uses it. I swear I need to teach a class on it.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)with my black or white friends. Must be a generational thing.
Things were more integrated. By third grade we were all sleeping at each others houses and lived in the same buildings. We changed the word and the way it is used. The kids are taking up where we left off. Time marches on.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I still think it's an ugly word.
That's just the way I was taught.
I grew up understanding the nuances of the er vs a vs ah. By the time I got called one by a white person to my face in a racist way, I was well equipped to deal with it without beating on somebodies ass. Had I not been exposed to it early and often in a casual way I would have spent years beating the crap out of people.
forthemiddle
(1,459 posts)Then I also have to accept Harrisons apology to explain that he and Frank are just "good friends", so he was just kidding when he said it.
Can that argument be turned around? Would Frank Kaminsky be getting this same treatment if HE had said it? After all you claim your white friends say it to you all the time.
Do you honestly think that Frank Kaminsky would be considered a NBA prospect this morning, had he said it?
I kind of doubt it, You know as well as I do that the media, and social media would be calling for his head. They would be petitioning the NBA not to draft him, for Madison to kick him out of school, etc. The outcry would have been the same as the Indiana pizza makers was this past week.
Again, I am not disagreeing with you, I am just trying to understand how you can calmly state that "I use it with my white friends all the time and they use it with me." yet not know what the outcome would be if the tables were reversed. Harrison stated that Frank was his "good friend" and that's why he said it, so Frank could use the same argument back at you.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)people. There is history behind the word in america and we live under WHITE supremacy not BLACK supremacy. Trying to make the comparison is stupid, quite frankly.
forthemiddle
(1,459 posts)When you said "I use it with my white friends all the time and they use it with me."
I simply asked if, since Frank and Harrison are friends, if Kaminsky had said the same thing, would you have been ok with it?
You told me that white people (like your friends) can say it with "no connotations".
I was just asking how far that argument could go.
Again "I use it with my white friends all the time and they use it with me."
bravenak
(34,648 posts)My friends know better than to be out on public on a mic saying stupid shit. But, yes, I'd defend my friend and explain that we are very close and will keep that stuff private from now on. Now, if my friend tacked an 'er' on the end instead of an 'a' I would not defend him/her. Two different words.
forthemiddle
(1,459 posts)I will continue to think that it was classless, and should have never been said BY ANYONE, and you continue to say it is ok to do so if you are an African American.
We will agree to disagree. At least we agree that it should have never been said on an open mic!
Happy Easter.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)I would post videos but then would probably get a hide 
..
But I've watched a LOT of crazy youtube videos and I'm like, really, you have to use it every 4-5 words-
N***** what you gonna do N*****
N***** what you gonna do N*****
N***** what you gonna do N*****
N***** what you gonna do N*****
Bitch N***** what you gonna do N*****
Bitch N***** what you gonna do N*****
Sometimes I just want to jump in to the video and explain to everyone screaming, you DON'T have to repeat yourself we heard you the first time LOL
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Like just shut the hell up and get to the point!
It's like a stutter now. I watched a group of white skateboarders at the corner in the parking lot of the music store just going on and on. It was supposed to be a fight i think. Just a whole bunch of "What n****! What you gon do n****! Come on ni***!" I just watched quietly to see if it was ever going to happen. Nope. They just like saying it to each other. I wish I could get riled up and judgemental, but I can't.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)I play Golden Tee at a local bar several times a week and one of our friends (who happens to be black) plays with us, he is a character. Makes good money selling powder to idiots--
Anyway, a while back we were outside smoking and he pulled up with a couple friends "we thought" in his truck, we met inside and asked after a round of shots and about two holes in the game. Yo, you going to just leave your friends out there?
He instantly replied,
Fuck those hood n****** they don't have any money they are staying out there and can wait for my ass to get done.
Which for some reason at the moment became instantly funny they way he went about saying it LOL
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Certain n***** be bullshittin.
When I was a teenager I said it so much I got the entire family, even the white side saying it too. My poor stepdad. I feel for him. He got called n***** so much that he started answering to it. If he hears somebody yell it in public, to this day, he still turns around and looks to see if they're talking to him. Might be why he has so many black friends now. All that waving at random people he don't know and stopping to talk just cause they yelled 'Hey Ni***, wait up!"
glowing
(12,233 posts)There is way you can do it in a friendly, non-harmful manner. But if your friend says, "you are a bitch", then it's no longer "friendly" and its crossed the line. It's all in the context in which we use or say words within a sentence or in addressing someone.
I hear young people all the time using the "bitches" thing or the "n... with a at end" connotation all the time. The younger gal I work with has a black fiancé and mixed son with him. If she uses the word, no one is even remotely upset about it. Now, if a guest walked in off the street and overheard her talking on the phone to a friend and she used the word, they would probably be offended because they have little context in which to understand her life.
I think as our younger generation becomes more integrated, date across color/ hereditary lines, and take cues from pop culture, their is a difference in using certain words among one another in their social settings. Now, I'm about 10yrs past her age and I'd say my age group is on the cusp of that geneslzation, but not entirely comfortable with the interplay. The whole "bitch" thing was only becoming a fad my last year in college and I wasnt sure I loved the whole, "what's up my bitches" in a casual manner.
The word is also heavily used in rap music. So, do you sing along to the lyrics or do you sing along like the radio and bleep yourself out? So, between our young people being more sociable and actually living mixed lives and popular music and other trends, the word is actually losing the old time meanings. Now, if some 50yr old white person used the word, I think people would automatically say "racist". I think you have to be around 25 or younger to be able to be "cool" enough to actually belong to a diverse group of friends that use "bitches", "hoes", n word with a"... And you probably have to living in a region that actually has diversity. Someone in small town SD isn't as able to use that word with the 1 black kid that lives in town without it sounding like an attack or a perversion, as the kids living in Miami or Orlando.
Since being in FL, Ive seen a lot of interplay with words using Spanish too. Many people use "Papi" and "Mami" to address one another. I work at a hotel, and we had a black couple who came up from Miami all the time to stay, both of them called me Mami. I have mixed in with people all around me so much, that one of my nicknames for my son is "Poppa" or "Pops". And we have NO Hispanic or "Spanish" heritage in the family. My husband and son are actually part Native American, but we both use the Poppa or Pops nick name for him all the time because we work with so many people who do have Hispanic or Latino backgrounds.
And then my boss is Guayana Indian, and I've now eaten a ton of hot peppered foods, gone to Himdu ceremonies, and learned some of those dances they love to put on Bollywood movies.
I'm originally from VT with NO diversity except in the cows and snowflakes... But now, I'm surrounded by so many different cultures and colors and interesting people to know and try out. I love being having that. I love that my child has so many different friends to hang out with. I love that he has no fears or prejudices being thrown on him.
So, I guess if the kids are learning how to live with one another and using language or terms in a manner that they feel more bonded or tight with, I'm a little less judgemental about their actually living the lives Martin Luther King Jr. "dreamed" about. As an example, my son is 10, when President Obama won his first election, he didn't really get that it was such a crazy historical thing.. He was 4 or 5, running around the house with a flag, saying "Brak Bama" and didn't think it was odd seeing a black man standing at a podium as President. That his girls are pretty. That his wife seems like such a "nice lady". Yes, of course he sees different hues of color, but it doesn't make a difference. There are some nasty web comments that are constantly attacking Michelle as some ugly man... And I can't even understand how devoid one has to be or how programmed they were growing up back in the day that someone of a certain color is so physically unattractive to their brains...
As Oprah has said, as the olds die out, some of this overt nastiness and racial biases will also diminish. Hopefully, we can also start fixing the real areas that need addressing to help equalize our children's play habits with what occurs when they deal with the "systems" stuck in 1950... The profiling by police, the judicial system, hiring practices, pay equality, and opportunities for all of our children!
Sorry for the birdwalk...
Logical
(22,457 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Brickbat
(19,339 posts)"Why is it OK when THEY say it?"
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I just heard people discussing it on ESPN and was curious to see what DUers thought about it.
treestar
(82,383 posts)he used it on a white guy?
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)
What's interesting? A black man using the term to mean "this fucking guy" in response to a white guy who just demolished his team? What's interesting about that?
treestar
(82,383 posts)Or okay, because to make up for centuries of racism, white people like Kaminsky deserve it? Or is it not an insult? Mr. Harrison has officially included Kaminsky in the universe of black people. Mr. Harrison apparently is color blind!
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)It's like you think words mean only one thing and can't possibly carry different connotations in different contexts.
treestar
(82,383 posts)This use is most interesting. It sounds like equality has been reached for Mr. Harrison. He doesn't feel like white guys are superior or privileged and he's just as good as any one of them. Which he is and that's good news he feels that.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)To pretend that means Harrison thinks Racism Is Over is laughable, however.
treestar
(82,383 posts)you can't speak for him either.
But he does seem more concerned with winning basketball games than with racism.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)in the morning.
What is it that you are trying to say?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The prevailing sentiment seems to be that it is not really a big deal at all.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)It is "intense" when it's carried on ESPN, CNN and MSNBC. Isn't it? Where else would it have to be to be more "intense?"
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Maybe intense isn't the right word.
Do you think there would have been similar coverage if the races were reversed? I certainly don't think so. I think it would have been much more serious if a white player had used the word in reference to a black player. I would hope so, at least.
Honestly, this is a discussion board - I just wanted to get people's opinions.
I read about it - thought it was interesting - wanted to see what folks thought. I'm not sure what other motive there could be.
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)DU would be drowning in indignation right now to the exclusion of all else. Just look at how obsessed people got over a pizzeria.
If there's one thing that's predictable about this place it's that the bulk of posters are going to go for the bait, without considering the wisdom or consequences of doing so.
Trying to get people to stay focused on the big picture is an impossible task. Short attention span theater is the rule of the day.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)but the Two-Minute Hate that went on here was fierce and unrelenting for a while
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026455568
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026454241
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026447873
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141057045
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026456023
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018746341
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018745565
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)DU sure did -
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)That said, I agree the pizzeria owners are asshats.
treestar
(82,383 posts)take it as an opportunity to prove how un-racist and superior they are. Note posts above like "some people are just so inferior they don't get how racist it is to talk about Mr. Harrison's comments."
Notice Mr. Kaminsky is supposed to just be OK with this. Because of years of white supremacy.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Last edited Mon Apr 6, 2015, 07:36 PM - Edit history (1)
Kaminsky wouldn't be playing in the national championship and would likely never play another minute at Wisconsin.
U4ikLefty
(4,012 posts)I took it as a compliment that the black dudes thought my moves were THAT good.
Still braggin' about it 10 years later!!! 
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)you belong. you are one of us/them.
we accept you.
context/ how it is said as much as what is said.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)White boy can ball!!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I still don't know for sure even after seeing the movie a jillion times! 
ProfessorGAC
(76,703 posts)My ability to jump was about all i had on the court. Quick and could jump really, really high. Was too lazy to work on silly things like shooting.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Orrex
(67,111 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)There was an a at the end not an er. Changes the meaning completely. In that instance it meant guy, dude, etc.
merrily
(45,251 posts)In that case, I need to change my reply to the OP fast.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Thanks, bravenak.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)
U4ikLefty
(4,012 posts)that appeared during the mid-90's. I never thought about how cool it was until things started to dissolve...too bad, cause it was real cool to be a part of.
Reter
(2,188 posts)Last edited Sun Apr 5, 2015, 06:49 PM - Edit history (1)
"R" at the end is racist toward black people. No, he didn't compliment him, but he basically said "F that guy."
merrily
(45,251 posts)There have been a couple of posts on this thread saying things like "When someone said that to me, I took it as a compliment." That does not seem applicable in this case as the guy did not intend it as a compliment.
valerief
(53,235 posts)
KeepItReal
(7,770 posts)No more and no less.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)No more, no less.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)If Wisconsin had lost, and Mr. Kaminsky said the same thing about Mr. Harrison, you'd have the same reaction?
KeepItReal
(7,770 posts)Not here to debate the nuances of the N-word and its uses
Starry Messenger
(32,381 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)"Harrison said in a series of comments on Twitter that he wanted to apologize "for my poor choice of words used in jest towards a player I respect and know."
"When I realized how this could be perceived I immediately called big frank to apologize and let him know I didn't mean any disrespect," he added.
He said the two of them had a "good conversation" and he wished him good luck in Monday's championship game."
Revanchist
(1,375 posts) merrily
(45,251 posts)"Fuck that fool" would have been unsportsmanlike, too.
I don't think he should have said it, but it does not and cannot sting the way it stings when a white person says it to a person of African American descent. In one situation, it's intended as an insult. In another, it's ugly and de-humanizing beyond imagination.
So, yes, it was not cool, but, yes, had the white player said it, it would have been heinous, not merely rude.
And, he's young and probably has heard the word for years. And he apologized. In all, it's not the end of the world, even for him, let alone us.
JMO.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)for a game as a penalty.
After reading this thread it seems this was a final game in a season and this player is moving out of college basketball. So no penalty- just bad publicity.
When you go to professional sports you kind of want to keep a good public image so you leave open endorsements and commentator jobs later on.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)I know DU and the general public get into a super tizzy when it is uttered, but the generational divide over this word couldn't be more stark.
So no, I don't blame Harrison because it's just a common statement of frustration to him.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)It showed a lack of respect for a player and a team who had just made Harrison and the rest of his NBA farm team look foolish and inept.
I suspect that Mr. Kaminsky, once his basketball days are over, will have many other options. Not sure I can say the same for Mr. Harrison.
Reter
(2,188 posts)It ended with an "a" and not an "r" so it wasn't racially intended. I'm more offended by the F-word he said on national TV.
noella17
(48 posts)
I am not in favor of enforcing that it is disallowed in any way but WHY does anyone want to use insults to address anyone unless they are deliberately wanting to offend the other person? dembotoz
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Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Are you a college basketball fan?
It was interesting to hear the different takes on this from ESPN and whatnot.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)If not, you might be on to something.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I get where you are coming from now.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)n/t
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)
MrScorpio
(73,772 posts)
Lonusca
(202 posts)I think that is exactly what Harrison meant.
Katashi_itto
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PeteSelman
(1,508 posts)Among the younger generation it's a generic term. White, black, whatever, the kids all use it now. My kids are 20 and 21 and ALL of their friends address each other thusly and they are a very diverse bunch. Take a look at Facebook sometime, it's all out there.
The "er" version of the word is NEVER used and is heavily frowned upon.
Obviously, you might want to practice a little more discretion on national TV but this story is much ado about nothing.
Matrosov
(1,098 posts)He swore on television, not realizing the mic was hot. He's apologized for it. That should be the end of the story.
An African-American using the n-word, is very, very, VERY different from a white person using it.
DinahMoeHum
(23,606 posts). . .he might want to reconsider.
Because right now, I believe his NBA-stock potential went down several notches.
This incident has exposed him as immature and not ready for NBA prime time.
And frankly, most of the UKentucky players' youth and immaturity got exposed BIG TIME.
TWICE.
The first time was last weekend when the more mature Notre Dame team gave them a real scare and almost upset them. ND exposed them as vulnerable.
Now, a more mature and more disciplined Wisconsin team has beaten them.
Harrison needs to grow up before going to the NBA. That is, if the NBA will have him.
Just sayin'.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)It certainly was at least an interesting moment and worth reflecting on for a minute or two.
Even if you disagree, you must admit there have been significantly worse threads.
Number23
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egduj
(881 posts)Which is not at all.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)"I have bigger things to be concerned about, like getting ready for the national championship. You're forgiven. Now goodbye."
Warpy
(114,615 posts)It might be a sign that the word is morphing, the way English often does at high speed, away from something extremely ugly and into something less ugly.
I'm still too old to use it in any way. I remember how ugly it once was.
riqster
(13,986 posts)But I know people that do. And my reaction to that speech is dependent on who says it, how, why and where.
https://m.
Catherine Vincent
(34,610 posts)So does Curtis Mayfield here...
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)Him saying nigga means nothing to me as I hear it quite often and I'm not really into correcting black people about the usage of the word. They have clearly appropriated the word. Whether some like it or not.
We should be shaking out heads about his inability to show some sportsmanship. But hey, the dude is competitive...that can inhibit the correct response at times. He apologized and the player says no harm.
Just my 2 cents.
romanic
(2,841 posts)My grandfather on my father's side (whose black) slapped the saliva out of my cousin's mouth when he used "nigga" to address his friends in his house, right in front of his posse. He basically said "Don't use that fucking word in my house!" and said as much to his friends who were scared shitless. My grandpa grew up in FL back in the 40s and 50s before moving up north so I'm sure the "n-word" in any form riles him up. I guess it's the same for older black people when they hear it, whether it ends in an "a" or an "er".
But like I said, it's a gross word and whoever uses it to address anyone (black, white, Latino, Asian, mulatto, whatevers) looks ignorant and stupid as fuck and shouldn't use it imo.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Vattel
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kentuck
(115,406 posts)Andrew Harrison is a jokester. He called Karl-Anthony Towns a "cry-baby" and "Karl Kardashian" earlier in the season...
JI7
(93,616 posts)Catherine Vincent
(34,610 posts)A lot of young black men speak this word often. I guess he forgot where he was so imo, these youngsters need to quit using this word and wouldn't have to worry about slipping.
akbacchus_BC
(5,830 posts)Blacks use it with each other, I believe, because it makes it not that disgusting when they are called by the N word. No way anyone should use it, I wish that word would go away.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Of course, he's the one using the N-word.
I'm glad UK got beat. The whole team acted like it was entitled to an undefeated season and national championship.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)I suspect that even if I watched the video, I wouldn't understand enough to judge.
Ms. Yertle
(466 posts)Kentucky had NO experience losing this year. They were a great team, had a great season, and lost in the semi-finals of the NCAA championship. They were disappointed, but also angry and bitter. Also, they lost to a team from a state that seems to think dairy products make fine headwear. I don't think it's out of line to cut Andrew Harrison a little slack on this one.
And I say this as a proud Badgers fan.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Not fair!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)anyone asking this question has no idea how today's in-group youth, both Black and white, use the term.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That's why I am grateful to those DUers who can help provide some insights into exactly that.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the term is used, inter-changeably with "Guy/Girl" and when used to reference an in-group member, has none of the racial stigma that those of us older folks assign to it. However, it's important to recognize the in-group dynamic, as when the term is used to reference an out-group member, it comes with all the racial stigma that we understand.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Being a white male, I have a difficult time feeling racially oppressed by this particular episode; and as it was not directed at me, I feel no slight.
But I do empathize with all the other white guys who are pretending to be historically oppressed by this incident. Bless their little hearts...
oberliner
(58,724 posts)White guys who are pretending to be historically oppressed by this incident?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Vegas odds tell us there will be a handful who wish to use this incident as an example of some half-witted reverse racism or some other such banal nonsense, or that they are in fact oppressed or even offended by this. The sub-literate often feed on non-issues and pretense.
And of course, no doubt, you've "never heard of any such people" indeed. It's quite the compelling allegation.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)Fuck that dude. There was an 'a' at the end of the word--totally changes the meaning. Context is everything too.
He's guilty of poor sportsmanship, that's about it.
That's my take on it.
chemenger
(1,593 posts)n/t