I'll probably get booted for saying this

[George Beerlover]

But screw it. If you support Bibi Netanyahu over our President, you're a goddamn traitor and should get the fuck out of the country.

[NYC_SKP]

1. Why booted?

I think you would find that most here agree with your sentiment.

Bibi is not a friend of this nation and, arguably, not a real friend to his own nation.

Obama has made history, the Iran agreement is significant.

[PatrynXX]

18. DU2 vs DU3

probably gave rise to it but I think the general sentiment here is there's 47 senators who betrayed this country and should be removed from their jobs. or worse. if you don't remove them they could take over the country. a country without treason laws is doomed to fail

[Aerows]

95. Those 47, and recently, Mitch McConnell

are despicable.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-rising-insurrection-against-obama/2015/04/03/d00e39f6-d94f-11e4-ba28-f2a685dc7f89_story.html

"Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) told countries involved in negotiating a U.N.-brokered international climate change agreement that they should “proceed with caution” because of intransigent opposition to Obama’s efforts to significantly scale back U.S. carbon ­emissions. "

If that isn't undermining a sitting President of the United States, undermining the very office of the United States, and generally attempting a Senatorial coup, I don't know what is.

[alp227]

50. ToS mentions Israel/Jews...

Do not post bigotry based on someone's race or ethnic origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion or lack thereof, disability, or other comparable personal characteristic. To be clear: This includes any post...asserting disloyalty by Jewish Americans, claiming nefarious influence by Jews/Zionists/Israel, advocating the destruction of the state of Israel...

[leveymg]

54. The OP doesn't meet those definitions in the TOS. Not bootable.

There's a big difference between: A) criticizing specific policies or politicians; and, B) bigotry or calling for genocide.

A is not congruent with B.

[treestar]

72. you'd have to be very sensitive to take this

as allegation of disloyalty by Jewish Americans, since the Republicans are behind it. No one is claiming it is an action of Jewish Americans. So I'd call it disingenuous to make that claim here. Bibi and the Republicans are taking things to a whole new level.

[Chemisse]

108. 'claiming nefarious influence by Jews/Zionists/Israel'

Perhaps things have changed since this rule was written, because Netanyahu's attempt to influence the US has been unabashedly front and center as of late, and to call it nefarious (evil or immoral) would not be too huge a stretch.

[sulphurdunn]

121. There sure as hell is a lot of

influence by Zionists in this country. That's just a fact. Whether its nefarious or beneficent is a matter of opinion, I suppose.

[Mosby]

153. Yeah, like Joe Biden, VP and a Zionist

[sabrina 1]

155. How does that apply to 47 US Senators conniving with a foreign leader to try to undermine

the efforts for peace of the President of the US??

Those efforts are directly related to the national security of this country.

To even attempt to undermine the President working towards protecting this country's national security should cause some disciplinary action towards those Senators.

[still_one]

55. no argument about it, Netanyahu has done tremendous damage to Israel

[forest444]

106. Because lately any posts calling their genocide out for what it is have been hidden w/o warning,

usually by a 6-1 vote.

But genocide is genocide, whether it be in Germany, Cambodia, Bosnia, Colombia, or Israel. The fact that the latter is being committed by people who went through a genocide themselves (or at least, by the leaders who've hijacked them) only makes it that much worse. After the recent Gaza atrocities -if not long before- anyone of good conscience should be able to acknowledge that.

Besides, we have enough problems with Plan Colombia apologists on DU as it is (check out the Latin America forum one of these days!). We don't need anyone else justifying the unjustifiable - not on a humanist, progressive site like DU.

[ellenrr]

130. good for you for saying this...

when I say something similar, i get alerted, and...eventually...suspended.
so -- good on you!

[forest444]

164. Thank you, Ellen.

It certainly shouldn't be that way. Criticizing Netanyahoo shouldn't be subject to "anti-Semitic" cavil any more than criticizing Obama or Colin Powell should be about race, or Latin American fascists about the fact they're Spanish-speaking. There shouldn't be straw men on DU - least of all those put up by paid trolls, as no doubt some are.

Good chatting with you.

[ellenrr]

167. yes. +

[sabrina 1]

169. Why? No one should be alerted on for criticizing Israel's far Right policies on a Dem forum.

Lots more people than ever before are saying it since the world witnessed the brutal assaults on the Palestinian people. If a sovereign nation, Israel in this case, wants special treatment when they do something so wrong, too bad. Wrong is wrong, and people are going to say so whether anyone likes it or not.

[oberliner]

133. You think Israel is committing genocide?

Is that what you are saying here?

[DiverDave]

135. And you DON'T?

Killing all of a group IS the definition.

Go ahead, alert, I dare ya.

[oberliner]

136. No

If killing of a group is the definition, then it would definitely not be an accurate claim in this case.

There is nothing to alert on here. I am just trying to get clarity on what was meant.

[stevenleser]

144. This OP and comments feature misuse of the words treason and genocide.

Really sad. Those are two words whose meanings should not be subjected to rhetorical drift.

I'm a son of a genocide survivor and have spoken to many other survivors of real genocides, Rwanda, Cambodia, etc. They would all be offended that their experiences would be treated so trivially as this.

[paleotn]

140. Genecide? No.....

....a South African apartheid system of atrocities? Yes.

[GGJohn]

141. And just what all of a group did Israel kill? eom.

And what's with the dare?

[2banon]

117. This!^^^^^^10000!

[7962]

118. Thats the problem; there isnt an actual agreement until June

And Iran is already saying the US is releasing "misleading" information
I'll wait till June and see whats actually on the table to be signed before I get my hopes up. I trust the President but I have no reason to trust Iran

[marym625]

2. Why in the world would you get kicked for saying that?

Maybe if you said it the other way around.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

3. You're entitled to your opinion n/t

[djean111]

4. That's very dramatic and all, but people here at DU have been expressing that same exact

sentiment here for a while. No boots.
You might get booted from Free Republic for that, though.

[Cirque du So-What]

5. I don't see a TOS violation

Everyone who posts on this site is subject to the possibility of an alert, but the odds favor a 'leave it' decision.

[H2O Man]

6. Recommended.

[BlueCaliDem]

8. There's no reason for anyone who says what you say to get booted.

Last edited Sun Apr 5, 2015, 04:22 PM - Edit history (1)

President Obama and SoS Kerry have made history with this tentative deal, and I hope Congress will ratify APPROVE it so we can finally get going with peace talks between Iran and the United States. President Obama and SoS Kerry are working very hard to make right what the United States under President Eisenhower and the British made wrong in 1953 in order to take control of Iranian oil. Before the overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in 1953, orchestrated by the CIA and British Intelligence, Iran was a pretty progressive country!

Prime Minister Netanyahu, in contrast, is a warmongering RWer and NO progressive, and NO ONE in the United States should support this man who wants nothing but war using, of course, American blood and resources.

[BlueCaliDem]

101. I was led to believe it needed to be approved by Congress. So, it doesn't? eom

[tularetom]

9. You haven't been around here very long but you won't get booted for preaching to the choir

I'd venture a guess that 80% of everybody here agrees with you.

[hay rick]

17. Good guess.

Jury result was 1-6 Leave (86%).

[Jackpine Radical]

46. Kinda unbelieveable.

Who would vote to hide?

I guess it proves there is at least one Bibi fan or Mossad sock puppet or something around here.

[2naSalit]

59. I'm sure you are

correct. I realized, yesterday, that I should look at what's involved in the jury blacklist and added one to it promptly.

[Cha]

112. But, there was somone who alerted and one who voted to HIDE. Wtf does that?!

[malaise]

10. Or you might get some hugs

[Duval]

107. +1 nt

[SidDithers]

11. Welcome to DU...

Sid

[ronnie624]

21. Typically inane.

I have yet to see a substantive post from you.

[hay rick]

26. You obviously missed his poutine recipe. nt

[ronnie624]

32. Some posters

expend a huge amount of time and energy maintaining their persona, but seem never to write anything worthy of merit. That one does little more than wear a perpetual sneer for other posters. I do NOT like bullies.

[darkangel218]

40. +1

[840high]

43. +2

[treestar]

49. Baloney, we know where Sid stands on things

Wordiness is not a virtue either.

[ronnie624]

53. The proof of behavior is in one's conduct.

I call them as I see them.

[Marr]

67. No, you just dislike the people he sneers at. /nt

[treestar]

70. Not sure who he sneers at

I don't see much sneering. But he does not like religion, woo, or sock puppets/trolls.

Some posters are way better at that than I am. I usually can't tell who the sock was.

[Marr]

74. Editing...

Because I don't mean to pile on.

[pintobean]

80. I don't have much use for the zombies, socks, and trolls.

That's who he "sneers" at.

[Warren DeMontague]

131. It's like a Warren Zevon song, isnt it?

[Coventina]

145. How about gypsies, tramps and thieves?

Sorry, couldn't resist......

[L0oniX]

116. +3

[GreatGazoo]

137. +4

can add only that some confuse sarcasm with having said something of substance or humor when their remark(s) are merely bullying and hostility plus an emoticon.

[A Simple Game]

39. I missed it too darn it! And some on DU say that

this poster is completely worthless.

And some like me may say that nothing has changed, recipe or not.

[SidDithers]

162. But I was right, wasn't I?...nt

Sid

[Tuesday Afternoon]

31. lol ...

Sid, we have hung out here far too much and too long

[Katashi_itto]

44. True Belgian Waffles Recipe

http://www.tasteofhome.com/recipes/true-belgian-waffles

[Rex]

119. 190 recs!

[Buzz Clik]

12. You created a sock puppet for this?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

13. Please substantiate your accusation. I'd like to know more. Thank you. nt

[Buzz Clik]

14. I'm assuming you meant to be addressing the OP, not me.

Not unless this dope's real name is George Beerlover.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

16. I'm curious to know how you've identified the OP as a "sock puppet". I'd like to learn how

to recognize a sock puppet as you have done here.

Thank you.

[Buzz Clik]

86. meh.

You probably alerted my previous comment. That's all you get from me.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

87. Wasn't me. But then, you are full of accusations today, without ANY cause for such...

...apparently.

[pintobean]

90. Pffft

[hobbit709]

34. results

I'm assuming you meant to be addressing the OP, not me.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6462233

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"this dope"?

"Not unless this dope's real name is George Beerlover." That's an insult, please hide.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Apr 5, 2015, 10:13 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Both a personal attack and an accusation that a DU member is a sock puppet troll. Not nice at all. If Buzz Click has evidence, let him present it to MIRT rather than sliming DU members in their threads.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[Buzz Clik]

85. The vote was split? Over the word "dope"?

"Thin skin" doesn't begin to describe...

[ChisolmTrailDem]

88. "Dope" is not worthy of an alert. Personally, to me, "asshole" is not even worthy of an alert...

...when it fits.

[Lunabell]

19. What's a sock puppet?

[ronnie624]

23. A paid or electronically generated poster,

the purpose of which, is to distract and divide through the dissemination of political propaganda.

[Binkie The Clown]

28. Sock puppet:

Also, a false identity created in a forum to provide seeming additional support to an issue or cause. Usually used by a poster whose ideas are unpopular or not supported by the community as a way to make it seem there are others who support him or her. One poster might create a handful of sock puppets to act as his make believe supporters to make his cause seem more legitimate.

[Enthusiast]

123. They spew right wing Democrat or outright Republican talking points.

Some are more skilled and try to subtly steer the conversation to favor a corporatist position. For example, they might suggest that trade deals benefit working class Americans, lol.

DU was invaded by sockpuppets leading up the health care legislation. Many would defend the status quo. One sockpuppet even told me that we obtained heath care from the insurance industry and even said without the insurance industry there would be no heath care. I pointed out the insurance company didn't even stick a thermometer up your butt.

[Major Nikon]

24. Results...

On Sun Apr 5, 2015, 12:56 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

You created a sock puppet for this?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6462226

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Unsubstantiated Troll accusation, please hide.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Apr 5, 2015, 01:03 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It is a question.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: pissy post but I would leave it
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: What is this I don't even

[treestar]

51. admit I lol'd

Though I'm not sure anti-Bibi sentiment is so Un-DU as Mr. Beerlover thinks.

[Cal Carpenter]

15. Awww, reverse psychology

So cute

[Thinkingabout]

20. Bibi is doing everything to trash Obama and thereby trashing the US. He is acting like a little

kid throwing a temper tantrum, he needs to get over it or if he is so mad at Obama then he needs to say he refuses to take any more of our money.

[project_bluebook]

22. I have a problem with your post

you should have added " and stay the fuck out"

[leftofcool]

25. +1

[egduj]

27. Edgy.

[calimary]

29. All I'd say is - Welcome to DU, George Beerlover!

Glad you're here! To me, bibi netanyahu is certainly all that, but mainly I see him as The Boy Who Cried Wolf. He's been doing that since 1992, I think it was. That'd be almost a quarter century! Shrieking and yowling about how "they've got THE BOMB!" and "they're gonna get THE BOMB!" and "they're gonna have it in FIVE YEARS!" Well, we've had several five-year increments come and go, and everything bibi has been yelling about all over everywhere - has NOT happened. They STILL don't have nukes - UNLIKE what's widely and credibly believed of netanyahu's own arsenal. He's no different from the neoCONS who yelled and screamed "WMD!!!!!" and "they've got Weapons of Mass Destruction!" and "sarin! and nerve gas! and VX nerve agent!" and "boogeymen! boogeymen! With BOMBS and chemicals and WMD!!!!" and "they're hidden over here!" and "they're hidden over there!" and "they're hidden in Tikrit somewhere!" and "to the north, east, south and west somewhat!" Be Afraid!!!" "BE AFRAAAAAAAAID!!!!!!!!"

Just as we now have a rather delicious and satisfying (and DAMN LONG IN COMING) quote running around here from dear ol' Tweety himself, saying "you guys are just wrong, wrong, wrong and you aren't even ashamed of it!" - this is what the neoCONS and their favorite guy in their satellite office, netanyahu, have been yowling and screeching about FOR YEARS. And NONE of it is true. Not about Saddam Hussein. Not about Iran. Not about ANYTHING.

Their contribution to history will be one thing and one thing only - being ridiculously and embarrassingly and tragically WRONG, about damn near EVERYTHING!!!!! It's proven to be a pretty doggone reliable tip-off over the years. If they start yelling to us about how the sun rises in the east every morning, I'm STILL gonna get a second opinion. Every time they yell about something, that's the "tell" that they're just LYING, yet again, for 150-thousandth time. As to whatever they claim or insist upon, that's our cue to believe THE EXACT OPPOSITE.

[WhiteTara]

30. welcome to DU!

[In_The_Wind]

33. Welcome to DU ~ George Beerlover. The jury voted to Leave this post.

12:48 PM

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

Mail Message
On Sun Apr 5, 2015, 12:38 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I'll probably get booted for saying this
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026462181

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Ignorant and abusive.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Apr 5, 2015, 12:48 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If I wasn't on the jury I would recommend.

Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Why is this abusive?? I like Obama a lot more than lots of other world leaders! Wtf alerter??

Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Overly dramatic yes, but Bibi and the asshats can use some abuse. Leave it.

Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Abusive. I don't support Netanyahu, but I don't support people who fling the word "traitor" around, either.

Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: bad alert

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Jesus Malverde]

42. .

Jesus

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

84. Seriously?

Someone alerted on this post?

[In_The_Wind]

89. I was juror #7.

[mountain grammy]

35. No boot here

just a welcome to DU from a fellow beerlover and Obama supporter, especially on the middle east negotiations.

Please don't be a sock puppet....

[WillTwain]

36. Admire your courage!

[GGJohn]

81. What courage?

Posting an opinion on a chat board? That's your definition of courage?

[Half-Century Man]

37. Other than channeling the old tired "Merica loveit or leave it" meme.

I'll go one further, I'll support the President over any RWNJ any day.
Welcome to DU

[oberliner]

38. Like the people who opposed George W Bush on invading Iraq?

Why would those folks not be traitors by the same logic?

If someone agrees with Netanyahu (and most Republicans) in thinking the deal with Iran wasn't a good one, that doesn't make them traitors who need to leave the country.

[A Simple Game]

52. I opposed Bush on invading Iraq. So tell me, what foreign leader was I supporting?

How was my not supporting a war, both Vietnam and Iraq, treasonous?

Here's a hint, Bibi won't say it outright but he wants the US to go to war with Iran. Supporting that is what many, not including me, think is treasonous.

Here's an idea for you to mull over, let the US support a complete ban on nuclear weapons in the Middle East. No support of any kind to any nation that wants or has nukes in the Middle East. If the US doesn't want nations in the Middle East that rattle sabers and even bomb other nations without provocation to have nukes then let's at least be consistent with our policy.

[still_one]

63. I am for the agreement, as are most Democrats, however, perhaps you are not aware that Iran was a

party to the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons treaty, and they violated those terms. This is why the issue exists.

India, Israel, and Pakistan never signed the treaty. North Korea was a party to the treaty but announced its withdrawal on 10 January 2003, which was a violation with the terms of the treaty.

Your use of the word treasonous obviously indicates you do not know what constitutes treason

[A Simple Game]

104. So I don't know what constitutes treason? Why don't you reread my post and tell me

what made you think that.

[still_one]

109. Because like an idiot I responded to the wrong post. Sorry. I should change it to direct it as a

Response to the op

[A Simple Game]

110. No problem. I hope you don't have to be like an idiot because I have done it many times myself. n/t

[still_one]

113. No excuse, but I was using a mobile device. Thanks

[shaayecanaan]

132. I agree with you me old china plate

Its not treason and its not sedition to support another country's foreign policy over your own. I oppose my own country's foreign policy at least 85% of the time.

[PrefersaPension]

41. Not sending our American troops "over there" to save us over here

is a good thing. Oh, what a tangle web we weave when Republicans are involved in anything involving middle east oil. It's all about power and OIL to them. Just ask Cheney...

[zappaman]

45. You are very courageous!

[still_one]

64. courageous? For what? Stating an opinion on a forum?

[zappaman]

92. Yes. That takes amazing courage!

[still_one]

103. Lol

[snooper2]

146. okay fine, I'll say it...I think I can do it....

I don't like green olives...only black olives!



whew...I feel so relieved...I DID IT!

[pintobean]

96. It's sarcasm.

[GGJohn]

98. DOH!!!!

Guess my sarcasm meter is kaput.

[zappaman]

100. !!!

[valerief]

47. Yoo hoo. You're not posting to Free Republic now.

[treestar]

48. Right wingers deserve to hear that

in fact. Enough times they told us to leave because we exercised our rights to oppose Dubya's war. Now they show they are hypocrites when it comes to their alleged demands regarding support of the President of the United States.

[still_one]

56. Well I doubt very much that the majority of republicans in Congress will leave

[Scarsdale]

57. Agreed

Bibi is held in such high esteem by the repubs. he might come over here and run for President when he is done in Israel. He has lots of support, unlike our duly elected TWICE Commander in Chief. It is truly disgusting.

[Rex]

58. Kewl story bro!

[ann---]

60. Why?

It's an accurate comment. Boobie is a dangerous man and I think we should
not allow him to visit our country any more.

[oberliner]

61. Anyone agreeing with this OP should be ashamed of themselves

Disagreeing with the POTUS over foreign policy does not make you a traitor who needs to leave the country.

Do you support Obama's ordering of drone strikes against Pakistan?

If you don't, are you a traitor who needs to leave the country?

After all, several world leaders spoke out against said strikes so you'd be aligning yourself with the leaders of other countries and against the president.

Leaders of Mexico, Venezuela, Brazil and Argentina condemned Bush for invading Iraq in 2003.

If you agreed with those leaders and opposed our president at the time, were you a traitor who should get out of the country?

Frankly, it is embarrassing to see so many people expressing agreement with such vile sentiments.

[GGJohn]

83. +1000.

I think those Senators were assholes for what they did and should be voted out of office, but it's waaaaaaaay over the top to call them traitors and demand they leave the country.
Thank you for a sane voice.

[2banon]

120. meh,,

[pinboy3niner]

126. Love it or leave it, man!

What are you, some kinda Commie?

[Bonobo]

128. +1. Another nail in the coffin of illusion. nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

62. You'd never get booted for saying that.

Mad creds, yes. Booted? No.

Excellent cred building thread. You learn fast.

[guillaumeb]

65. I do not understand your logic

Do you mean that any disagreement with the POTUS brands one a traitor?

Or any disagreement only on this particular issue?

How about people who did not support George W. Bush on Afghanistan and Iraq?

Sounds too much to me like when right wingers say: "America, love it or leave it" when what they actually mean is everyone must agree with their conception of what patriotism is.

[noella17]

66. How now brown cow?

Is this site hostile to the POTUS?

[BlueCaliDem]

149. Yes.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

68. The Republicans can't accept Obama as the Prez...

Their Base would attack them as Ni**er Lovers.

That's being a traitor to the White Race which is, as Palin put it, "Real America".

[Marr]

69. I think Netanyahu is an unbelievable asshole, and Obama's work on the Iran issue is great, but...

I wouldn't agree with you that people who disagree are traitors who should get out of the country.

[oberliner]

71. Thank you for providing some sanity

The earlier responses are disturbing.

[Surya Gayatri]

82. A reasonable reaction.

[onecaliberal]

73. Co sign every word!

They should not let the door hit em...

[Helen Borg]

75. I'll be controversial too...

4+4=8 . Hope I don't get booted.

[pintobean]

76. Are we at war with Israel?

[heaven05]

77. +1000

[SoapBox]

78. I second your motion!

And why booted?

Because the wacko supporters of this Terrorist, would continue to stay here and stir the pot of his shit.

They want to vomit up support, let them do it anyplace else.

[WestSeattle2]

91. There has been an absence of reasonable alternatives from

the right wing, because there aren't any reasonable alternatives. War? Hardly. We couldn't even control Iraq. Sanctions? They've developed a strong nuclear program under sanctions!

Approaching tense situations with brawn rather than brains, is almost always foolish. Something the right wings in numerous countries have failed to learn. Usually because the warmongers have rarely seen battle themselves.

[Doctor_J]

94. ahh,the old "I'll get booted for supporting the president" retread

Yeah, that always happens.

[lumberjack_jeff]

105. My brother was a staffer for the governor.

The cardinal rule was that every letter that began "I know that the governor will never read this..." went to the governor.

So, no. Even a passing familiarity with DU indicates that post probably wouldn't get you booted.

[Gothmog]

111. I am Jewish and I love Israel but I disagree with Bibi

Bibi won by playing dirty politics. There can be no peace in the Mideast with him blocking any progress

[BlueCaliDem]

151. I am Christian, and I love Israel, and I disagree with Prime Minister Netanyahu, too.

I don't know how he won his re-election despite having played dirty politics, but unless they have Diebold voting machines or the like there, I have to believe that the majority in Israelis wanted him back as Prime Minister over Isaac Herzog which still has me scratching my head. And yes, Netanyahu is working hard any which way he can to block President Obama and SoS Kerry from making right what the United States made wrong in 1953 under President Eisenhower.

[raven mad]

114. K& HUGE R! n/t

[n2doc]

115. maybe in the past

But Bibi has really fouled his nest and thrown his lot in with the repubs. I guess he thinks they will soon control everything. If he is wrong it will be very bad for Israel. Frankly even if he is right it will be bad for Israel.

[Enthusiast]

122. I have never liked that fucking Bibi Netanyahu, even before these latest insults.

Anyone that promotes war is on my shit list.

[NoMoreRepugs]

124. criticizing BB NetandYahoo to me is very similar

to calling Dick Cheney a DICK

[LeftishBrit]

125. I think Republicans and Likud and RW Tories and Blair are all very dangerous; but I think one has to

be careful about what one calls 'treason' to avoid falling into the trap that produced the Patriot Act and more generally the punishment of 'thoughtcrime'.

Treason is actions, not attitudes or support for certain policies.

I have called Blair a 'traitor' myself; but this is because, in his collusion with Bush, he has blatantly lied in order to get policies through, which are a danger to Britain and America and the world (and most of all to Iraq, of course).

If people support policies because they are wrong-headed or stupid, that is dangerous but not treason. If people commit actions that they KNOW are dangerous or harmful to their country, just to spite that melanin-producing Democrat in the White House, then that is treasonous. I realize that, awful as our politicians in the UK are, you have a higher proportion of truly dangerous ones (though ours and yours tend to collude of course), and I don't know what proportion come into the latter category that I mentioned.

I also think that Bibi is an incredibly dangerous person to his own country (possibly even to the point of treason, as his actions aimed at gaining and keeping power may ultimately endanger Israel's very existence), but that gets onto the I/P topic so will say no more there. Anyway, my major point is that people should only be considered as traitors if they ACT in ways that they know will endanger their country; not just for opinions. There is too much '1984' in politics in this 'post-9-11 world' as it is.

[Warren DeMontague]

127. or, if you put ketchup on hot dogs.

I mean, you gotta draw the line somewhere, amirite?

[rury]

129. K&R George Beerlover

You are absolutely right. And you should NOT be booted for telling the truth.

[cali]

134. oh for fuck's sake

Can't abide nutty, but I'm so tired of the word traitor being tossed around.

[secondwind]

138. K&R

[LWolf]

139. Fuck that.

For the record, I am not a supporter of Netanyahu, period. If I were, though, I'm still a U.S. citizen, and it's not your fucking place to tell me, or anyone else, to "get the fuck out of the country."

You probably won't get booted from DU. If I were to tell you that you were a "goddamn (anything,)" though, my thread would be hidden. So I won't, but my point stands.

[paleotn]

142. I'll rec because I understand the sentiment...

but I don't agree with the last part. Bibi and Israel's seeming undue influence has more to do with current internal US politics rather than the state of Israel or the entire Middle East for that matter. It's old, cold war politics refashioned to undermine President Obama no matter the consequences. Bibi and Israel are useful for that right now. They should be worried about when they will inevitably cease to be useful. Many Republicans in Congress, outside the Religo-nut caucus, don't really give a rat's ass about Israel. In the grand scheme of US interests, they're really more trouble than their worth. And after all, since when has the democracy thing had any real weight in US foreign policy?

[L0oniX]

143. Can I put a sarc tag on a rec?

[NCTraveler]

147. Going to get booted for preaching to the choir?

The fainting couch is being place here to catch your fall.

[BlueCaliDem]

150. Plenty on this thread have tried to alert on the OP and those who support the OP.

Follow the posts to read them.

How does your fainting couch feel these days, NCTraveler?

[NCTraveler]

157. It feels pretty good.

That happens in all ops on certain topics. The op offers not one thing that hasn't been said over and over again on this site. I just like how victimization was claimed in the op itself, before the first reply. We gain no insight as you have attempted to do from the op being alerted on.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

148. That's mild compared to what I want to call these people...

[SidDithers]

152. ...

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Come back soon, again.

Sid

[pintobean]

154. That won't be the reason

[SidDithers]

158. +1...nt

Sid

[Paper Roses]

156. Over 200 rec's for a new DU member. Is this a record? I hope this new member keeps it on the up & up

Welcome George Beerlover. Good input is always welcome, we hope to see you for a long time.

[zappaman]

160. Nope.

[pintobean]

159. "You were booted for being a zombie troll many times before, and it is the reason once again."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=322076&sub=trans

[Rex]

161. 276 rec for a repeat zombie troll, now I've seen everything.

Well at least you did not get booted for saying what you did.

[marble falls]

163. Actually, for whatever reason - Mr Beerlover is eating pizza.

[uppityperson]

165. "You were booted for being a zombie troll many times before, and it is the reason once again."

[marble falls]

166. And ain't it wunnerful!

[Brett Fitz]

168. Looks Like The OP WAS Booted For Saying What He Said

Just randomly going archival on this lonely Friday night. A lot of threads to criticize, but this one seemed especially relevant. I've gone through his posts, and this was the final one! LOL!

I guess I should expect my OWN "booting" now, huh?

[pintobean]

170. No, he wasn't

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=322076&sub=trans

You joined the next day. Hmmm.

[Brett Fitz]

172. Don't be Paranoid

I'm just a paid operative for Hillary, that's all. Along with the two other members who signed up on the 7th, I am merely here to point out that Secretary Clinton is the only realistic choice for the party (and the country) next year!

[Warren DeMontague]

171. I don't know, are you guys related?

That wasn't Mr. "Beerlover"'s first time through the turnstyles, I'm pretty sure.