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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat percentage of the black community ultimately voted for Rahm?
That is an interesting question because I suspect Obama's ability to get black registered voters, to vote for Rahm may have decisive. Seems like that is an advantage the machine won't have in future elections when Obama is no longer President.
delrem
(9,688 posts)The win was decisive, and third-way supporters are jubilant because it's proof of concept, looking forward to the '16 federal election.
That's the impression that I get on reading DU, at any rate.
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F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)Just pissed that people are happy about this. What a loss for the working class.
delrem
(9,688 posts)Third-way supporters haven't been exactly shy about voicing their approval.
They want everyone to know.
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)This certainly doesn't help them going into 2016. It says many democrats are not on board with the establishment even with all the money that would naturally flow to the republican going to the establishment dem. In the general the republicans can fund a republican.
delrem
(9,688 posts)Let's be real, third-way is showing its power.
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 8, 2015, 02:34 AM - Edit history (1)
The are more Rand Paul threads today than Rahm threads. The response to the thread was tepid at best.
delrem
(9,688 posts)So. You don't see the posts that I see.
No problem.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)As proof of concept it shows a rightwing dem is more attractive to republicans than a leftwing dem.
There is an analysis that looks complicated enough to compete with rocket science!
What will they do when it's a rightwing dem competing with a rightwing republican? We had that in the gubernatorial election in WI...concept didn't work that time
JI7
(89,246 posts)most black people supported Hillary until Obama won Iowa . if Obama lost Iowa hillary would most likely have won the black vote.
BainsBane
(53,029 posts)before you start blaming electoral outcomes on black people?
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)It is not about blame. It is about knowing where the growth potential is. If the Obama organization in the black community made a difference, those votes will be up for grabs in the future.
BainsBane
(53,029 posts)What Obama organization in the black community?
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)and didn't request his supporters do gotv?
JI7
(89,246 posts)how about white people who also voted for Rahm ?
BainsBane
(53,029 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:45 PM - Edit history (1)
have so little capacity for independent thought, they blindly follow a TV commercial from the president because he is of the same race? Is that your view? And your hope is what? When the office is back in the hands of white men, where it belongs, then the people who really count can control the country? You dismiss LGBT rights as "a small percentage of the population" and now attribute a mayoral election that isn't even your own city to African Americans blindly following the President's command. You have no exit poll results. You don't know how many African Americans voted or who they voted for. All this thread reveals is how you think.
That Emanuel left the White House because Obama fired him is evidently lost on the keyboard intelligentsia.
The people of Chicago vote for their mayor. Whoever voted and whom they voted for, it's their fucking business, not yours. Instead of wagging your finger at how you think black people voted, how about you do something about the politics in your own area? Where do you live? What are the political representatives in your area? Are they progressive? Or do live in some red state shit hole and wag your finger at people who actually get Democrats instead of Tea Baggers elected?
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)I wondered about the exit poll data. Obama campaigned for Rahm with radio and tv spots. If Obama did fire Rahm he didn't think it made him unworthy of advocacy.
Rant on!
BainsBane
(53,029 posts)but your go to position is to blame black folks. That is the only information that comes out of this thread.
Why would you bother looking at a Chicago newspaper when you can come online and show your backside?
I don't know why people like you just don't join the GOP. You clearly have a lot of problems with the Democratic electorate.
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BainsBane
(53,029 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:42 PM - Edit history (1)
Have you succeeded in getting progressive Democrats elected at your city, county, state level, and for your federal representatives? If not, why are you spending time commenting on how you think blacks in Chicago might have voted rather than focusing on elections in your own area?
Edit: I now see the member has a hidden post in this thread and can't respond.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)by BAR managing editor Bruce A. Dixon
The results are in, and the truth hurts. Rahm Emanuel will sit in the mayor's office on the fifth floor of Chicago's City Hall four more years. Despite fudging police stats to make murders disappear, despite stonewalling on police torture and atrocities, despite deliberately shortening red light camera intervals to raise revenue for his buddies, despite closing and privatizing more than 50 public schools, almost exclusively in black and brown neighborhoods, than anywhere in the country, and despite his facing a solid progressive Democrat challenger, Rahm Emanuel carried every single ward in black Chicago, not by big margins, but by enough.
It's true that Chuy Garcia was outspent at least six to one in the April runoff and twelve to one in the February election. It's true that Emanuel used that cash to buy an unanswerable deluge of radio and TV commercials. Big money and media are important, but these are advantages the candidates of capital will always possess. Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel had something else in his pocket.
Rahm Emanuel's biggest asset was the overwhelming support of Chicago's well-established black political class of preachers, business types, community leaders and public officials. President Barack Obama himself came home to Chicago this year and in 2011 to campaign for Rahm and cut commercials for him. Nearly every prominent black elected official in town, Democrats all, came out for Rahm, for privatization, for gentrification, for austerity, for more of the same. This is the state of black politics in 2015, and the reason that Rahm Emanuel carried every single one of Chicago's majority black wards.
...
Sure, big money and big media were important, as were strategic blunders by the Garcia campaign, like not seizing upon issues that could have won them energetic, fired up followers. But the biggest single factor in Rahm Emanuel's win this week was the overwhelming support of the black political class from the president on down.
Rahm Emanuel is Obama's mayor. This is President Obama's victory, and his legacy to Chicago. It's Bobby Rush's victory and Emanuel's atrocities are on his tab as well. It's the victory of the black misleadership class over the people they ostensibly represent, and we'll all be paying for it in the days and the years to come.
http://www.blackagendareport.com/black-misleaders-re-elect-rahm
MADem
(135,425 posts)That the community is monolithic and doesn't know their own minds...that they didn't consider the campaign promises and the effect of the ads on the contest.
Then, you're assuming that Obama will magically lose his powers of persuasion once he leaves the White House (never mind that the older and slower Bill Clinton can still GOTV like hell and he's been gone for a decade and a half, now) and that will somehow bode ill for those of us who are Democrats--like the black vote is going to go where, to the GOP? Up for grabs? Obama, like Presidents before him, will campaign for the nominee, if he campaigns at all.
Why not get the figures first, before making assumptions?
It wasn't a close race, nor was it a blowout. It was a solid win for RE, but it did point out that he needs to be attentive to varying sectors of the community. His opponent started out strong (change, initially, is always attractive) and lost steam every day he was on the campaign trail because he started making outlandish promises. He wasn't ready for prime time.
Sun Times, such as they are, said this: http://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/7/71/507606/emanuel-takes-early-lead-garcia-first-ever-mayoral-runoff
...Emanuel captured 36 of Chicagos 50 wards, one fewer than he won on Feb. 24. But he boosted his victory margin to an impressive 84.4 percent in the downtowns 42nd Ward, 83.6 percent in the 43rd Ward, 75.2 percent in the 44th Ward and 77.4 percent in the 2nd Ward.
The mayor also boosted his share of the vote to 65.3 percent in the 3rd Ward, 63 percent in the 27th Ward and to the mid-to-high 50s in most other majority African-American wards.
And Emanuel managed to overcome opposition from the son of political powerbroker Jeremiah Joyce to win 59 percent of the vote in the Southwest Sides vote-rich 19th Ward and 63.6 percent in the Northwest Sides 41st Ward.....But while Garcia had an impressive array of black supporters, including the Rev. Jesse Jackson Sr. and millionaire businessman Willie Wilson, who finished third on Feb. 24, the challenger never managed to nail down the most pivotal endorsement.
County Board President Toni Preckwinkle, the mayoral challenger City Hall feared most, stayed on the sidelines, as she did in Round One. Thats even though Garcia is a county commissioner who serves as Preckwinkles floor leader.
And in spite of his history as a loyal supporter of the late Mayor Harold Washington, Garcia could not resurrect the black-Hispanic coalition that culminated in Washingtons election as Chicagos first African-American mayor.
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)Anyway the article is interesting and was along the lines of what I cared about.
MADem
(135,425 posts)betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)where people tend to vote based on the patronage to various bosses. These voter groups do tend to be ethnic.
MADem
(135,425 posts)to the AA community. He's had seven years to firm up alliances with diverse communities. I think his influence transcends that of local "bosses."
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)but the real stats show they voted against their majority views. The majority presumably didn't like school closings and are angry about police abuses, that Rahm supports. So it appears Obama was able to sway many in the black community to vote against a candidate more supportive of issues they care about. Affinity toward Obama trumped issues. When he is no longer President his megaphone won't be so large.
JI7
(89,246 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)"megaphone." And his reach isn't limited to white males who vote the Democratic ticket, either. If you can't fathom how you're sounding when you say stuff like that, I can't help you.
The demographic breakdown is posted downthread--the Hispanic turnout sucked, and Garcia took about 70 percent of those who bothered to show up to vote. RE won the other categories--women, men, AA/whites and they had way better turnout. RE won most wards.
They (blacks, whites, women, men, and 30 percent of the Hispanic community) didn't vote against their "majority views" either--they voted against a guy who made promises that everyone in the city knew he couldn't keep. Telling lies about how he's going to hire people when the city is saddled with a huge "no money" problem and do this and that, still with "no money," doesn't make people think "Gee, this guy knows what he's doing!" It makes them think "This guy will say ANYTHING to get elected."
The more he talked, the worse he looked. He painted himself as the devil people didn't know, making the devil they knew a shoo-in.
I wouldn't vote for someone who said "I'm gonna go nuts with YOUR credit card" either.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 8, 2015, 10:45 AM - Edit history (1)
on edit: His family got cut out of the O'Hare concessions. That is why. I always hated Pickle.
Number23
(24,544 posts)It can't be that they have no message or if they do, are ineffective at getting it out to ACTUAL members of the Democratic base. It has to be someone's "fault" that this happened.
And who better to blame than - Teh Negroes!
JI7
(89,246 posts)to communities of color .
as if black americans are some foreign nationals that you need to go outside of the country to talk to.
Number23
(24,544 posts)A good number of folks here are all too happy to minimize or flat out ignore our issues unless they can cash in on them in some way or use them as a cudgel to beat Obama over the head with.
But I keep forgetting, no one is ever supposed to notice this...
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)and the police torture allegations that Chuy was trying to address would be addressing issues many in the black community care about.
Number23
(24,544 posts)betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)then you paid no attention to this election. Why did you post? It is not something you seem to care about.
BainsBane
(53,029 posts)because she's African American and sick of this kind of shit. That would be my guess.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)tripping over your own posts almost as much as you're tripping over mine.
You seem a tad confused about what I'm saying as well as the makeup and purpose of the Democratic party itself.
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)color as well.
JI7
(89,246 posts)betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)of what I wanted to know.
BainsBane
(53,029 posts)Just like it didn't occur to you to pick up a US history textbook before coming up with your bizarre rendition of the history of the Democratic Party.
MADem
(135,425 posts)You must laugh, otherwise you might cry, I say....
BainsBane
(53,029 posts)not look very liberal, doesn't it? There is a definite theme emerging. One thread expresses alarm that Clinton's appealing to women and "minorities" will be the end of the middle class. LGBT rights only concern "a very small percentage" of the population, and now African Americans ruin everything by, the OP guesses, voting to reelect a mayor he doesn't think they should. The ideal version of a Democratic Party some around here envision doesn't look very welcoming to me. In fact, it looks a lot like something the US already had, long about 60 years ago.
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)looks much like America of 60 years ago. This the same line of thinking that says prefering Elizabeth Warren to Hillary Clinton is mysogynist.
BainsBane
(53,029 posts)Or Elizabeth Warren. I was talking about people who denigrate the interests of women, voters of color, and the rights of LGBT Americans.
1) You don't live in Chicago so you supported no one for Mayor
2) Warren isn't running for President
3) Saying you support a hypothetical candidate means nothing.
You aren't supporting them. You're spewing shit on a website and without any information blaming African Americans for election results you don't like.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Turns out RE did the work and won most of the AA wards. Garcia promised way too much and it smacked of pandering, apparently, which depressed his support.
People know what's real, and what's wishful thinking.
http://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/7/71/507576/interactive-map-mayoral-runoff-wins-ward
Number23
(24,544 posts)feel the palpable rage that comes from certain quarters here for supporting the flawed Democrats and this president over the inbred, batshit Libertarians many here think we should pledge allegiance to.
I think this OP is just putting it out there a bit less subtly than usual.
MADem
(135,425 posts)betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)Advocacy of Chuy is support for Libertarians. Ok you're another poster that seems to be talking to someone who is not me. I am blocking you too.
JI7
(89,246 posts)betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)libertarian and do not support libertarians or their candidates.
JI7
(89,246 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)I don't know a single black person that reads the hysterical, white hot stupidity that poses for "news" and "analysis" in that rag and in fact, many of us openly laugh not only at the people who make that foolishness, but those who read it as well.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)mmkay...
Number23
(24,544 posts)ELEVEN DAYS after the fact.
And now you think you're going to waste my time with your well documented and well known tendency to distort and generate BS. You won't. And I wish you'd stop responding to me about any issue.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Links please?
You said about liberals:
I showed you where black liberals are saying that the black community was a factor in Rahm's success, thereby refuting the racism aspect of this. Now you try to discredit a liberal organization - presumably simply because they are liberal and disagree with you.
So what did you mean by the comment I quoted above then? Seems like you are calling liberals racists to me.
Oh can you please point out to me where it states in the rulebook that no one is allowed to post in a thread after a certain length of time? Thanks!
Number23
(24,544 posts)that play along. Now run along. You are not going to waste my time as I have allowed you do to in the past.
Your MO is as transparent as it is boring.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)...
And who better to blame than - Teh Negroes!
I'm not wasting your time. If you feel this is a timesuck feel free to not participate - you are in control of what you do with your time you know. It kind of is a waste of time considering you have yet to back up any claims you've made or shown that I'm wrong about you insinuating that liberals are racists, even if they're black.
As to your accusations of me... No links? Oh, and no rules about time expiration for posting on threads? As expected.
Number23
(24,544 posts)when you screamed that people who had an issue with Will Pitt calling the president a "POS used car salesman" were "uncaring" about the plight of his wife which was the biggest load of dishonest, blatant BS this site has ever produced. And you have continued to live up (or down) to your rep by chasing me around with this needless, pointless garbage as well as COUNTLESS other posts to others, many of which have called you out for your well known propensity for starting really pointless crap that everyone can see is a lie when they're not ignoring you completely.
If you think that you are the first person to try to chase me and other black posters around saying that we accused "liberals" or someone else of being racist when everyone with one good eye can see that's not even close to what I've done, you're quite mistaken. You might consider yourself and the folks here on DU passing the "blame" on Rahm Emmanuel's win on black folks as "liberals," but I don't and never will. You brought up BAR which is a BS publication that no one of even passing intellect reads. If you want to conflate my criticism of DU with BAR, knock yourself out. But don't for one damned second pretend that I was the one that conflated the two. I made it exceptionally clear what and who I was talking about.
I've asked you already to stop replying to me but it seems you are way too busy asking for incredibly stupid and pointless links to "expirations" for responding on threads. I have asked you before to leave me the fuck alone when you chased after me for something equally as stupid some time ago. Why you insist on responding to someone who could simply have no less interest or use in you is something only you will ever understand.
Edit: Last, and I'm sure incredibly dumb, word is yours. And I hope that whatever it is, it will be the last spew you ever shoot in my general direction.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)And wait, you're mad because I thought people shouldn't take glee in someone having a wife who's suffering from MS? Now I've seen it all. Really. And I see now it's all because he lashed out at Obama. It's always really about Obama with you isn't it? This is the thread you're talking about, right?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024701611
I had to search for it because I didn't even remember writing it and was about to tell you you must be mistaken. Thanks for bringing it up! 134 Recs. That may be my record! I guess a lot of people disagree with you on that. I really didn't see where I was "screaming" though... where is that exactly?
Next... chase you around? Not likely. Not enough interesting thoughts coming from you for me to do that. Chase black posters around? Why would I do that? Is that a roundabout way for you to call me a racist? Just say it then. And while you're at it you can do a search and see what I've written about white privilege. Go ahead, I dare you. Oddly enough, I don't think you'll like what you find. I actually think it would really pain you to hear what I have to say about racism. For you to find out that my posts are very sympathetic to the plight of blacks in America would probably just anger you. Because what seems to be most important to you is to feebly attempt to demonize me and try to make me look bad but the reality is that you have absolutely nothing to back that up.
Next... I did not say that a group of black posters accused liberals of being racist. I said you did. It's in the post I quoted, #15. Seems clear to me. You didn't refute it when I first brought it up. Why are you so upset that you can't write a coherent and honest post? Why don't you simply refute a point or explain what you meant if I'm wrong? Why must you resort to attempting to slander me with lies about what I do on DU?
If you don't want to read what I have to say, just put me on ignore. That's how it works here on DU. You are posting on a public message board, I have the right to post here as well.
Now I'll say this again. You have yet to provide any proof or links to any of your blatant lies about me, so I don't expect you to start now. But you really ought to stop. Just because I criticize Obama and defend liberals doesn't mean you have to react so emotionally rather than engage in reasoned discourse.
And finally, telling me you're giving me the "dumb" last word after all those lies you just posted is a really chickenshit way of going about things when you have yet to back up any and all claims you have made. You're not fooling anybody except maybe yourself. I actually feel really sad for you. I mean what kind of person must you be that you feel the need to lie about some random internet person to try to make them look bad. Who does that?
sheshe2
(83,730 posts)Sadly for many here they are incapable of backing off. They want to needle and hurt, and they sure as hell want to shut you up. They want you hidden.
I do believe you said those sage words to me as well from another poster that just would not stop coming at me. You! Stay strong, then again you always are.
Hey sweetie, love ya.
Number23
(24,544 posts)I say as clearly as the English language allows me to articulate "the Liberal Lions of DU" and this person sends me a link to the imbeciles at Black Agenda Report talking about whatever the imbeciles there talk about.
Have the imbeciles at DU joined forces with the imbeciles at BAR now? Otherwise, what could possibly be the point of sending that link when I was really exceptionally clear what/who I was talking about? And toss on the ubiquitous "you accused liberals of racism" shit that no one said and it's just clear this is someone gunning for a fight who doesn't care how they get there or how they look in the process.
Don't even know what was in that last post. But I'm sure it was every bit as desperately irrelevant and pointless as everything in the posts preceding it.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)mucifer
(23,525 posts)He had about 6 campaign offices. Until the final weeks of the campaign he had no field offices below 63rd street. Chicago is as far south as 130th. The black community is diverse. Amongst many there is tension and suspicion between the black and hispanic communities. Amongst others in these communities there is unity and coalition.
I listen to black talk radio a lot and Spanish talk radio while I drive around the city in my job. I heard a lot of conspiracy theories from callers and suspicion. I also heard a lot of support for Chuy.
The other issue with Chuy is that he promised EVERYTHING and the city has no money. I think that lost him some credibility. That said I had a Chuy sign up in my window and I voted for him.
Also, rahm had tons of adds on tv and radio with misinformation.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Those are the questions we should be asking & what elected officials are doing to address the issues.
But here are the numbers 58-42 in favor of Rahm
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/07/us/how-chicagoans-voted-and-why.html
MADem
(135,425 posts)Meant to do an image post but didn't work out as you can see but there is the NY Times link
MADem
(135,425 posts)Freddie Stubbs
(29,853 posts)JonLP24
(29,322 posts)After Emanuel, who declined to be interviewed for this story, left the forum, Jones told CNN she was angry with the mayor because she felt that he's "not interested in us," the African American communities on Chicago's South and West side that have seen little economic development and in many cases, considerable decline.
"I want to hear what the plans are for the forgotten side of Chicago," Jones said.
Step outside the gymnasium where the forum was held, and that reality is readily apparent. Trash litters residential streets lined with boarded-up homes, pockmarked by empty, open lots and the occasional convenience store.
The West Garfield Park neighborhood was one of Chicago's 10 poorest from 2008-2012, according to Census data compiled by Chicago demographer Rob Paral. In 2011, more than 40 percent of the neighborhood lived below the federal poverty line, according to Census data analyzed by the progressive Social IMPACT Research Center; that was a nearly 19% increase from 2007-2011.
That's not atypical for Chicago's African American neighborhoods; according to the Census Bureau, African-American unemployment in Chicago in 2013 was 25 percent, higher than the unemployment for blacks in the rest of the nation's biggest cities.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/03/politics/rahm-emanual-chicago-mayoral-runoff/
zazen
(2,978 posts)The projections and attacks re the OP are just weird to me.
What is it with DU these days?
I've been very close to a few extremely progressive political campaigns and they, like everyone else, talked about reaching "black voters" and what factors led to relative candidate strength or weakness in that community. How is that racist or "blaming Negroes?"
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Majority African American Wards (according to 2010 census): 3,4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 16, 17, 18, 20, 21, 24, 28, 29, 34
Percentages in those wards:
Ward 3
Rahm 65% Chuy 34%
Ward 4
Rahm 58% Chuy 42%
Ward 5
Rahm 56% Chuy 44%
Ward 6
Rahm 56% Chuy 44%
Ward 7
Rahm 56% Chuy 44%
Ward 8
Rahm 58% Chuy 42%
Ward 9
Rahm 58% Chuy 42%
Ward 16
Rahm 51% Chuy 49%
Ward 17
Rahm 55% Chuy 45%
Ward 18
Rahm 51% Chuy 49%
Ward 21
Rahm 58% Chuy 42%
Ward 24 (West Side)
Rahm 52% Chuy 48%
Ward 28 (West Side)
Rahm 58% Chuy 42%
Ward 29 (West Side)
Rahm 57% Chuy 43%
Sampling of Rahm's total in the heavily white wards
Ward 41 (Far North West)
Rahm 64% Chuy 36%
Ward 47 (North center)
Rahm 62% Chuy 37%
Ward 44 (Lakeview, North Lincoln Park, etc. roughly 80% white, young)
Rahm 75% Chuy 24%