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betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:19 AM Apr 2015

What percentage of the black community ultimately voted for Rahm?

That is an interesting question because I suspect Obama's ability to get black registered voters, to vote for Rahm may have decisive. Seems like that is an advantage the machine won't have in future elections when Obama is no longer President.

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What percentage of the black community ultimately voted for Rahm? (Original Post) betterdemsonly Apr 2015 OP
I think big money won the election for Rahm. delrem Apr 2015 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #2
Sorry, that wasn't necessary in this thread. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #3
I just spoke my mind - and about my observations. delrem Apr 2015 #6
I notice more disquiet than jubilation betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #7
Like the "congratulations Rahm" thread? delrem Apr 2015 #8
It was just one thread betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #10
Yes. delrem Apr 2015 #12
And it seems significant amounts of that money were republican... HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #61
because black people can't think for themselves ? JI7 Apr 2015 #4
Don't you think you ought to have some exit poll results BainsBane Apr 2015 #5
I was asking if anyone had any election results? betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #9
Obama wasn't on the ballot BainsBane Apr 2015 #11
So Obama did no ads for Rahm betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #13
why would black people do what Obama asks them to do ? JI7 Apr 2015 #17
... cui bono Apr 2015 #68
You apparently think black voters BainsBane Apr 2015 #25
I don't know that they did vote for him betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #26
Precisely. you don't know BainsBane Apr 2015 #29
Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #34
You didn't answer the question about your own area BainsBane Apr 2015 #64
Here's what the Black Agenda Report says: cui bono Apr 2015 #67
First, you're assuming that black people wait for the "Obama signal" to vote... MADem Apr 2015 #33
If endorsements are unimportant why post this article? betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #40
I think it's odd that your comments effectively limit Obama's influence to the AA community. nt MADem Apr 2015 #42
Chicago is a machine city betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #47
Again, that still doesn't explain why the President of the United States' influence would be limited MADem Apr 2015 #49
Nobody did say it was limited to the black community. betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #52
there are many issues that people vote on JI7 Apr 2015 #55
Again, Bill Clinton hasn't been President for a decade and a half, and he still has an enormous MADem Apr 2015 #56
Why is Pickle opposed to Rahm? AngryAmish Apr 2015 #59
The "liberal lions" on DU screamed for Rahm's head and he won a decisive victory Number23 Apr 2015 #15
and instead of asking on this site why don't these "liberals" tell us how they tried to reach out JI7 Apr 2015 #16
That is most certainly how DU and its "liberaler than thous" treat black folks Number23 Apr 2015 #18
I would think that the school closings betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #20
Probably are. But since Chuy doesn't post on DU, I'm not sure that I understand your comment Number23 Apr 2015 #21
If you don't know what Chuy stood for betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #22
Gee, why did she post BainsBane Apr 2015 #28
I think that's a very good guess, too. nt MADem Apr 2015 #50
lol I can't tell if you're confused or just so determined to make some asinine "point" that you're Number23 Apr 2015 #35
I think the hispanic community that Chuy came from is a community of betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #19
turnout was low in areas with large hispanic population JI7 Apr 2015 #23
That would be something along the lines betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #24
And it didn't occur to you to go to the website of a Chicago newspaper? BainsBane Apr 2015 #32
Let me see your passport!!!!!!!! Papers, papers!!! MADem Apr 2015 #44
Makes these "liberal lions" BainsBane Apr 2015 #27
Don't think a hispanic mayor betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #30
I wasn't talking about Chuy BainsBane Apr 2015 #36
I thought it was just me that was catching that vibe. MADem Apr 2015 #38
As a regular in the AA forum, MADem you know better than most how many black members of DU Number23 Apr 2015 #45
Tell it like it is!!!!! Puts me in a musical frame of mind....A song for you, my dearest! MADem Apr 2015 #46
So Chuy is libertarian betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #51
we know it's not chuy she is referring to JI7 Apr 2015 #53
Who is "she" referring to because I am not betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #54
fuck rand paul JI7 Apr 2015 #57
With therapy and lots of love, I'm sure I'll get over the pain. Number23 Apr 2015 #65
... cui bono Apr 2015 #69
BAR serves as excellent toilet paper in the homes of some of the nicest black people I know Number23 Apr 2015 #70
Well it puts to bed your accusation of racism. n/t cui bono Apr 2015 #71
Only to certain individuals. Like the ones who think that "publication" has any validity or truth Number23 Apr 2015 #72
So anyone who disagrees with you is a racist, even if they're black? cui bono Apr 2015 #73
You jumped in with a link to BAR to insinuate I said something that I didn't. Number23 Apr 2015 #74
"well documented and well known tendency to distort and generate BS" cui bono Apr 2015 #75
I didn't say a damn thing about "liberals" I was talking about the OP and the shriekers here Number23 Apr 2015 #76
You brought up liberals. And attributed racism to them as shown in your quote below: cui bono Apr 2015 #77
I expect nothing less from the person who made the biggest BS thread in the history of this web site Number23 Apr 2015 #78
Wow. All these claims you make... when will you back them up? cui bono Apr 2015 #79
Yes, when someone asks you to leave them the fuck alone, just do it! sheshe2 Apr 2015 #80
You saw this, huh? And over something so fucking stupid to boot Number23 Apr 2015 #81
Why would only Black voters be influenced by an Obama endorsement? Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #14
+1,000! nt MADem Apr 2015 #41
I feel Chuy did very poor outreach in the black community. mucifer Apr 2015 #31
What percentage of the black community is ultimately left behind in Chicago? JonLP24 Apr 2015 #37
All I'm seeing is blue bars, there... nt MADem Apr 2015 #39
I fixed it JonLP24 Apr 2015 #43
Thanks--I'll give it a peek.... nt MADem Apr 2015 #48
According to the 2010 Census, about 1/3 of Chicagoans are African-American Freddie Stubbs Apr 2015 #60
Elected officials plans' to address the problems? JonLP24 Apr 2015 #62
why attack OP? political campaigns actively strategize about particular demographic groups zazen Apr 2015 #58
+1 cui bono Apr 2015 #66
Easily estimated alcibiades_mystery Apr 2015 #63

delrem

(9,688 posts)
1. I think big money won the election for Rahm.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:36 AM
Apr 2015

The win was decisive, and third-way supporters are jubilant because it's proof of concept, looking forward to the '16 federal election.

That's the impression that I get on reading DU, at any rate.

Response to delrem (Reply #1)

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
3. Sorry, that wasn't necessary in this thread.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:38 AM
Apr 2015

Just pissed that people are happy about this. What a loss for the working class.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
6. I just spoke my mind - and about my observations.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:47 AM
Apr 2015

Third-way supporters haven't been exactly shy about voicing their approval.
They want everyone to know.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
7. I notice more disquiet than jubilation
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:48 AM
Apr 2015

This certainly doesn't help them going into 2016. It says many democrats are not on board with the establishment even with all the money that would naturally flow to the republican going to the establishment dem. In the general the republicans can fund a republican.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
10. It was just one thread
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:53 AM
Apr 2015

Last edited Wed Apr 8, 2015, 02:34 AM - Edit history (1)

The are more Rand Paul threads today than Rahm threads. The response to the thread was tepid at best.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
61. And it seems significant amounts of that money were republican...
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 08:02 AM
Apr 2015
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/19/rahm-emanuel-republicans_n_6904566.html

As proof of concept it shows a rightwing dem is more attractive to republicans than a leftwing dem.

There is an analysis that looks complicated enough to compete with rocket science!

What will they do when it's a rightwing dem competing with a rightwing republican? We had that in the gubernatorial election in WI...concept didn't work that time

JI7

(89,246 posts)
4. because black people can't think for themselves ?
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:39 AM
Apr 2015

most black people supported Hillary until Obama won Iowa . if Obama lost Iowa hillary would most likely have won the black vote.

BainsBane

(53,029 posts)
5. Don't you think you ought to have some exit poll results
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:45 AM
Apr 2015

before you start blaming electoral outcomes on black people?

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
9. I was asking if anyone had any election results?
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:50 AM
Apr 2015

It is not about blame. It is about knowing where the growth potential is. If the Obama organization in the black community made a difference, those votes will be up for grabs in the future.

JI7

(89,246 posts)
17. why would black people do what Obama asks them to do ?
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 02:56 AM
Apr 2015

how about white people who also voted for Rahm ?

BainsBane

(53,029 posts)
25. You apparently think black voters
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 04:22 AM
Apr 2015

Last edited Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:45 PM - Edit history (1)

have so little capacity for independent thought, they blindly follow a TV commercial from the president because he is of the same race? Is that your view? And your hope is what? When the office is back in the hands of white men, where it belongs, then the people who really count can control the country? You dismiss LGBT rights as "a small percentage of the population" and now attribute a mayoral election that isn't even your own city to African Americans blindly following the President's command. You have no exit poll results. You don't know how many African Americans voted or who they voted for. All this thread reveals is how you think.

That Emanuel left the White House because Obama fired him is evidently lost on the keyboard intelligentsia.

The people of Chicago vote for their mayor. Whoever voted and whom they voted for, it's their fucking business, not yours. Instead of wagging your finger at how you think black people voted, how about you do something about the politics in your own area? Where do you live? What are the political representatives in your area? Are they progressive? Or do live in some red state shit hole and wag your finger at people who actually get Democrats instead of Tea Baggers elected?

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
26. I don't know that they did vote for him
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 04:30 AM
Apr 2015

I wondered about the exit poll data. Obama campaigned for Rahm with radio and tv spots. If Obama did fire Rahm he didn't think it made him unworthy of advocacy.

Rant on!


BainsBane

(53,029 posts)
29. Precisely. you don't know
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 04:42 AM
Apr 2015

but your go to position is to blame black folks. That is the only information that comes out of this thread.

Why would you bother looking at a Chicago newspaper when you can come online and show your backside?

I don't know why people like you just don't join the GOP. You clearly have a lot of problems with the Democratic electorate.

Response to BainsBane (Reply #29)

BainsBane

(53,029 posts)
64. You didn't answer the question about your own area
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 12:54 PM
Apr 2015

Last edited Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:42 PM - Edit history (1)

Have you succeeded in getting progressive Democrats elected at your city, county, state level, and for your federal representatives? If not, why are you spending time commenting on how you think blacks in Chicago might have voted rather than focusing on elections in your own area?

Edit: I now see the member has a hidden post in this thread and can't respond.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
67. Here's what the Black Agenda Report says:
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 03:13 PM
Apr 2015
Blame the Black Political Class For Re-Electing Obama's Mayor Rahm Emanuel in Chicago
by BAR managing editor Bruce A. Dixon

The results are in, and the truth hurts. Rahm Emanuel will sit in the mayor's office on the fifth floor of Chicago's City Hall four more years. Despite fudging police stats to make murders disappear, despite stonewalling on police torture and atrocities, despite deliberately shortening red light camera intervals to raise revenue for his buddies, despite closing and privatizing more than 50 public schools, almost exclusively in black and brown neighborhoods, than anywhere in the country, and despite his facing a solid progressive Democrat challenger, Rahm Emanuel carried every single ward in black Chicago, not by big margins, but by enough.

It's true that Chuy Garcia was outspent at least six to one in the April runoff and twelve to one in the February election. It's true that Emanuel used that cash to buy an unanswerable deluge of radio and TV commercials. Big money and media are important, but these are advantages the candidates of capital will always possess. Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel had something else in his pocket.

Rahm Emanuel's biggest asset was the overwhelming support of Chicago's well-established black political class of preachers, business types, “community leaders” and public officials. President Barack Obama himself came home to Chicago this year and in 2011 to campaign for Rahm and cut commercials for him. Nearly every prominent black elected official in town, Democrats all, came out for Rahm, for privatization, for gentrification, for austerity, for more of the same. This is the state of black politics in 2015, and the reason that Rahm Emanuel carried every single one of Chicago's majority black wards.

...

Sure, big money and big media were important, as were strategic blunders by the Garcia campaign, like not seizing upon issues that could have won them energetic, fired up followers. But the biggest single factor in Rahm Emanuel's win this week was the overwhelming support of the black political class from the president on down.

Rahm Emanuel is Obama's mayor. This is President Obama's victory, and his legacy to Chicago. It's Bobby Rush's victory and Emanuel's atrocities are on his tab as well. It's the victory of the black misleadership class over the people they ostensibly represent, and we'll all be paying for it in the days and the years to come.

http://www.blackagendareport.com/black-misleaders-re-elect-rahm


MADem

(135,425 posts)
33. First, you're assuming that black people wait for the "Obama signal" to vote...
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 04:45 AM
Apr 2015

That the community is monolithic and doesn't know their own minds...that they didn't consider the campaign promises and the effect of the ads on the contest.

Then, you're assuming that Obama will magically lose his powers of persuasion once he leaves the White House (never mind that the older and slower Bill Clinton can still GOTV like hell and he's been gone for a decade and a half, now) and that will somehow bode ill for those of us who are Democrats--like the black vote is going to go where, to the GOP? Up for grabs? Obama, like Presidents before him, will campaign for the nominee, if he campaigns at all.

Why not get the figures first, before making assumptions?

It wasn't a close race, nor was it a blowout. It was a solid win for RE, but it did point out that he needs to be attentive to varying sectors of the community. His opponent started out strong (change, initially, is always attractive) and lost steam every day he was on the campaign trail because he started making outlandish promises. He wasn't ready for prime time.

Sun Times, such as they are, said this: http://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/7/71/507606/emanuel-takes-early-lead-garcia-first-ever-mayoral-runoff


...Emanuel captured 36 of Chicago’s 50 wards, one fewer than he won on Feb. 24. But he boosted his victory margin to an impressive 84.4 percent in the downtown’s 42nd Ward, 83.6 percent in the 43rd Ward, 75.2 percent in the 44th Ward and 77.4 percent in the 2nd Ward.

The mayor also boosted his share of the vote to 65.3 percent in the 3rd Ward, 63 percent in the 27th Ward and to the mid-to-high 50s in most other majority African-American wards.

And Emanuel managed to overcome opposition from the son of political powerbroker Jeremiah Joyce to win 59 percent of the vote in the Southwest Side’s vote-rich 19th Ward and 63.6 percent in the Northwest Side’s 41st Ward.....But while Garcia had an impressive array of black supporters, including the Rev. Jesse Jackson Sr. and millionaire businessman Willie Wilson, who finished third on Feb. 24, the challenger never managed to nail down the most pivotal endorsement.

County Board President Toni Preckwinkle, the mayoral challenger City Hall feared most, stayed on the sidelines, as she did in Round One. That’s even though Garcia is a county commissioner who serves as Preckwinkle’s floor leader.

And in spite of his history as a loyal supporter of the late Mayor Harold Washington, Garcia could not resurrect the black-Hispanic coalition that culminated in Washington’s election as Chicago’s first African-American mayor.
 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
40. If endorsements are unimportant why post this article?
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 04:55 AM
Apr 2015

Anyway the article is interesting and was along the lines of what I cared about.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
47. Chicago is a machine city
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 05:04 AM
Apr 2015

where people tend to vote based on the patronage to various bosses. These voter groups do tend to be ethnic.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
49. Again, that still doesn't explain why the President of the United States' influence would be limited
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 05:07 AM
Apr 2015

to the AA community. He's had seven years to firm up alliances with diverse communities. I think his influence transcends that of local "bosses."

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
52. Nobody did say it was limited to the black community.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 05:18 AM
Apr 2015

but the real stats show they voted against their majority views. The majority presumably didn't like school closings and are angry about police abuses, that Rahm supports. So it appears Obama was able to sway many in the black community to vote against a candidate more supportive of issues they care about. Affinity toward Obama trumped issues. When he is no longer President his megaphone won't be so large.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
56. Again, Bill Clinton hasn't been President for a decade and a half, and he still has an enormous
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 05:33 AM
Apr 2015

"megaphone." And his reach isn't limited to white males who vote the Democratic ticket, either. If you can't fathom how you're sounding when you say stuff like that, I can't help you.

The demographic breakdown is posted downthread--the Hispanic turnout sucked, and Garcia took about 70 percent of those who bothered to show up to vote. RE won the other categories--women, men, AA/whites and they had way better turnout. RE won most wards.

They (blacks, whites, women, men, and 30 percent of the Hispanic community) didn't vote against their "majority views" either--they voted against a guy who made promises that everyone in the city knew he couldn't keep. Telling lies about how he's going to hire people when the city is saddled with a huge "no money" problem and do this and that, still with "no money," doesn't make people think "Gee, this guy knows what he's doing!" It makes them think "This guy will say ANYTHING to get elected."

The more he talked, the worse he looked. He painted himself as the devil people didn't know, making the devil they knew a shoo-in.

I wouldn't vote for someone who said "I'm gonna go nuts with YOUR credit card" either.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
59. Why is Pickle opposed to Rahm?
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 07:27 AM
Apr 2015

Last edited Wed Apr 8, 2015, 10:45 AM - Edit history (1)

on edit: His family got cut out of the O'Hare concessions. That is why. I always hated Pickle.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
15. The "liberal lions" on DU screamed for Rahm's head and he won a decisive victory
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 02:42 AM
Apr 2015

It can't be that they have no message or if they do, are ineffective at getting it out to ACTUAL members of the Democratic base. It has to be someone's "fault" that this happened.

And who better to blame than - Teh Negroes!

JI7

(89,246 posts)
16. and instead of asking on this site why don't these "liberals" tell us how they tried to reach out
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 02:55 AM
Apr 2015

to communities of color .

as if black americans are some foreign nationals that you need to go outside of the country to talk to.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
18. That is most certainly how DU and its "liberaler than thous" treat black folks
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 03:00 AM
Apr 2015

A good number of folks here are all too happy to minimize or flat out ignore our issues unless they can cash in on them in some way or use them as a cudgel to beat Obama over the head with.

But I keep forgetting, no one is ever supposed to notice this...

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
20. I would think that the school closings
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 03:16 AM
Apr 2015

and the police torture allegations that Chuy was trying to address would be addressing issues many in the black community care about.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
22. If you don't know what Chuy stood for
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 03:25 AM
Apr 2015

then you paid no attention to this election. Why did you post? It is not something you seem to care about.

BainsBane

(53,029 posts)
28. Gee, why did she post
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 04:36 AM
Apr 2015

because she's African American and sick of this kind of shit. That would be my guess.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
35. lol I can't tell if you're confused or just so determined to make some asinine "point" that you're
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 04:49 AM
Apr 2015

tripping over your own posts almost as much as you're tripping over mine.

You seem a tad confused about what I'm saying as well as the makeup and purpose of the Democratic party itself.

BainsBane

(53,029 posts)
32. And it didn't occur to you to go to the website of a Chicago newspaper?
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 04:45 AM
Apr 2015

Just like it didn't occur to you to pick up a US history textbook before coming up with your bizarre rendition of the history of the Democratic Party.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
44. Let me see your passport!!!!!!!! Papers, papers!!!
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 04:58 AM
Apr 2015


You must laugh, otherwise you might cry, I say....

BainsBane

(53,029 posts)
27. Makes these "liberal lions"
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 04:32 AM
Apr 2015

not look very liberal, doesn't it? There is a definite theme emerging. One thread expresses alarm that Clinton's appealing to women and "minorities" will be the end of the middle class. LGBT rights only concern "a very small percentage" of the population, and now African Americans ruin everything by, the OP guesses, voting to reelect a mayor he doesn't think they should. The ideal version of a Democratic Party some around here envision doesn't look very welcoming to me. In fact, it looks a lot like something the US already had, long about 60 years ago.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
30. Don't think a hispanic mayor
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 04:43 AM
Apr 2015

looks much like America of 60 years ago. This the same line of thinking that says prefering Elizabeth Warren to Hillary Clinton is mysogynist.

BainsBane

(53,029 posts)
36. I wasn't talking about Chuy
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 04:50 AM
Apr 2015

Or Elizabeth Warren. I was talking about people who denigrate the interests of women, voters of color, and the rights of LGBT Americans.

1) You don't live in Chicago so you supported no one for Mayor
2) Warren isn't running for President
3) Saying you support a hypothetical candidate means nothing.

You aren't supporting them. You're spewing shit on a website and without any information blaming African Americans for election results you don't like.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
38. I thought it was just me that was catching that vibe.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 04:54 AM
Apr 2015

Turns out RE did the work and won most of the AA wards. Garcia promised way too much and it smacked of pandering, apparently, which depressed his support.

People know what's real, and what's wishful thinking.


http://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/7/71/507576/interactive-map-mayoral-runoff-wins-ward

Number23

(24,544 posts)
45. As a regular in the AA forum, MADem you know better than most how many black members of DU
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 04:58 AM
Apr 2015

feel the palpable rage that comes from certain quarters here for supporting the flawed Democrats and this president over the inbred, batshit Libertarians many here think we should pledge allegiance to.

I think this OP is just putting it out there a bit less subtly than usual.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
51. So Chuy is libertarian
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 05:08 AM
Apr 2015

Advocacy of Chuy is support for Libertarians. Ok you're another poster that seems to be talking to someone who is not me. I am blocking you too.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
54. Who is "she" referring to because I am not
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 05:23 AM
Apr 2015

libertarian and do not support libertarians or their candidates.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
70. BAR serves as excellent toilet paper in the homes of some of the nicest black people I know
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 05:46 PM
Apr 2015

I don't know a single black person that reads the hysterical, white hot stupidity that poses for "news" and "analysis" in that rag and in fact, many of us openly laugh not only at the people who make that foolishness, but those who read it as well.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
74. You jumped in with a link to BAR to insinuate I said something that I didn't.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 07:13 PM
Apr 2015

ELEVEN DAYS after the fact.

And now you think you're going to waste my time with your well documented and well known tendency to distort and generate BS. You won't. And I wish you'd stop responding to me about any issue.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
75. "well documented and well known tendency to distort and generate BS"
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 07:21 PM
Apr 2015

Links please?

You said about liberals:

And who better to blame than - Teh Negroes!


I showed you where black liberals are saying that the black community was a factor in Rahm's success, thereby refuting the racism aspect of this. Now you try to discredit a liberal organization - presumably simply because they are liberal and disagree with you.

So what did you mean by the comment I quoted above then? Seems like you are calling liberals racists to me.

Oh can you please point out to me where it states in the rulebook that no one is allowed to post in a thread after a certain length of time? Thanks!

Number23

(24,544 posts)
76. I didn't say a damn thing about "liberals" I was talking about the OP and the shriekers here
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 08:13 PM
Apr 2015

that play along. Now run along. You are not going to waste my time as I have allowed you do to in the past.

Your MO is as transparent as it is boring.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
77. You brought up liberals. And attributed racism to them as shown in your quote below:
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 09:18 PM
Apr 2015
15. The "liberal lions" on DU screamed for Rahm's head and he won a decisive victory
...
And who better to blame than - Teh Negroes!


I'm not wasting your time. If you feel this is a timesuck feel free to not participate - you are in control of what you do with your time you know. It kind of is a waste of time considering you have yet to back up any claims you've made or shown that I'm wrong about you insinuating that liberals are racists, even if they're black.

As to your accusations of me... No links? Oh, and no rules about time expiration for posting on threads? As expected.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
78. I expect nothing less from the person who made the biggest BS thread in the history of this web site
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 09:38 PM
Apr 2015

when you screamed that people who had an issue with Will Pitt calling the president a "POS used car salesman" were "uncaring" about the plight of his wife which was the biggest load of dishonest, blatant BS this site has ever produced. And you have continued to live up (or down) to your rep by chasing me around with this needless, pointless garbage as well as COUNTLESS other posts to others, many of which have called you out for your well known propensity for starting really pointless crap that everyone can see is a lie when they're not ignoring you completely.

If you think that you are the first person to try to chase me and other black posters around saying that we accused "liberals" or someone else of being racist when everyone with one good eye can see that's not even close to what I've done, you're quite mistaken. You might consider yourself and the folks here on DU passing the "blame" on Rahm Emmanuel's win on black folks as "liberals," but I don't and never will. You brought up BAR which is a BS publication that no one of even passing intellect reads. If you want to conflate my criticism of DU with BAR, knock yourself out. But don't for one damned second pretend that I was the one that conflated the two. I made it exceptionally clear what and who I was talking about.

I've asked you already to stop replying to me but it seems you are way too busy asking for incredibly stupid and pointless links to "expirations" for responding on threads. I have asked you before to leave me the fuck alone when you chased after me for something equally as stupid some time ago. Why you insist on responding to someone who could simply have no less interest or use in you is something only you will ever understand.

Edit: Last, and I'm sure incredibly dumb, word is yours. And I hope that whatever it is, it will be the last spew you ever shoot in my general direction.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
79. Wow. All these claims you make... when will you back them up?
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 02:19 AM
Apr 2015

And wait, you're mad because I thought people shouldn't take glee in someone having a wife who's suffering from MS? Now I've seen it all. Really. And I see now it's all because he lashed out at Obama. It's always really about Obama with you isn't it? This is the thread you're talking about, right?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024701611
I had to search for it because I didn't even remember writing it and was about to tell you you must be mistaken. Thanks for bringing it up! 134 Recs. That may be my record! I guess a lot of people disagree with you on that. I really didn't see where I was "screaming" though... where is that exactly?

Next... chase you around? Not likely. Not enough interesting thoughts coming from you for me to do that. Chase black posters around? Why would I do that? Is that a roundabout way for you to call me a racist? Just say it then. And while you're at it you can do a search and see what I've written about white privilege. Go ahead, I dare you. Oddly enough, I don't think you'll like what you find. I actually think it would really pain you to hear what I have to say about racism. For you to find out that my posts are very sympathetic to the plight of blacks in America would probably just anger you. Because what seems to be most important to you is to feebly attempt to demonize me and try to make me look bad but the reality is that you have absolutely nothing to back that up.

Next... I did not say that a group of black posters accused liberals of being racist. I said you did. It's in the post I quoted, #15. Seems clear to me. You didn't refute it when I first brought it up. Why are you so upset that you can't write a coherent and honest post? Why don't you simply refute a point or explain what you meant if I'm wrong? Why must you resort to attempting to slander me with lies about what I do on DU?

If you don't want to read what I have to say, just put me on ignore. That's how it works here on DU. You are posting on a public message board, I have the right to post here as well.

Now I'll say this again. You have yet to provide any proof or links to any of your blatant lies about me, so I don't expect you to start now. But you really ought to stop. Just because I criticize Obama and defend liberals doesn't mean you have to react so emotionally rather than engage in reasoned discourse.

And finally, telling me you're giving me the "dumb" last word after all those lies you just posted is a really chickenshit way of going about things when you have yet to back up any and all claims you have made. You're not fooling anybody except maybe yourself. I actually feel really sad for you. I mean what kind of person must you be that you feel the need to lie about some random internet person to try to make them look bad. Who does that?

sheshe2

(83,730 posts)
80. Yes, when someone asks you to leave them the fuck alone, just do it!
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 10:35 PM
Apr 2015

Sadly for many here they are incapable of backing off. They want to needle and hurt, and they sure as hell want to shut you up. They want you hidden.

I do believe you said those sage words to me as well from another poster that just would not stop coming at me. You! Stay strong, then again you always are.

Hey sweetie, love ya.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
81. You saw this, huh? And over something so fucking stupid to boot
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 01:48 AM
Apr 2015

I say as clearly as the English language allows me to articulate "the Liberal Lions of DU" and this person sends me a link to the imbeciles at Black Agenda Report talking about whatever the imbeciles there talk about.

Have the imbeciles at DU joined forces with the imbeciles at BAR now? Otherwise, what could possibly be the point of sending that link when I was really exceptionally clear what/who I was talking about? And toss on the ubiquitous "you accused liberals of racism" shit that no one said and it's just clear this is someone gunning for a fight who doesn't care how they get there or how they look in the process.

Don't even know what was in that last post. But I'm sure it was every bit as desperately irrelevant and pointless as everything in the posts preceding it.

mucifer

(23,525 posts)
31. I feel Chuy did very poor outreach in the black community.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 04:45 AM
Apr 2015

He had about 6 campaign offices. Until the final weeks of the campaign he had no field offices below 63rd street. Chicago is as far south as 130th. The black community is diverse. Amongst many there is tension and suspicion between the black and hispanic communities. Amongst others in these communities there is unity and coalition.

I listen to black talk radio a lot and Spanish talk radio while I drive around the city in my job. I heard a lot of conspiracy theories from callers and suspicion. I also heard a lot of support for Chuy.

The other issue with Chuy is that he promised EVERYTHING and the city has no money. I think that lost him some credibility. That said I had a Chuy sign up in my window and I voted for him.

Also, rahm had tons of adds on tv and radio with misinformation.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
37. What percentage of the black community is ultimately left behind in Chicago?
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 04:52 AM
Apr 2015

Those are the questions we should be asking & what elected officials are doing to address the issues.

But here are the numbers 58-42 in favor of Rahm
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/07/us/how-chicagoans-voted-and-why.html

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
43. I fixed it
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 04:58 AM
Apr 2015

Meant to do an image post but didn't work out as you can see but there is the NY Times link

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
62. Elected officials plans' to address the problems?
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 08:23 AM
Apr 2015
'The forgotten side of Chicago' speaks out

After Emanuel, who declined to be interviewed for this story, left the forum, Jones told CNN she was angry with the mayor because she felt that he's "not interested in us," the African American communities on Chicago's South and West side that have seen little economic development — and in many cases, considerable decline.

"I want to hear what the plans are for the forgotten side of Chicago," Jones said.

Step outside the gymnasium where the forum was held, and that reality is readily apparent. Trash litters residential streets lined with boarded-up homes, pockmarked by empty, open lots and the occasional convenience store.

The West Garfield Park neighborhood was one of Chicago's 10 poorest from 2008-2012, according to Census data compiled by Chicago demographer Rob Paral. In 2011, more than 40 percent of the neighborhood lived below the federal poverty line, according to Census data analyzed by the progressive Social IMPACT Research Center; that was a nearly 19% increase from 2007-2011.

That's not atypical for Chicago's African American neighborhoods; according to the Census Bureau, African-American unemployment in Chicago in 2013 was 25 percent, higher than the unemployment for blacks in the rest of the nation's biggest cities.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/03/politics/rahm-emanual-chicago-mayoral-runoff/

zazen

(2,978 posts)
58. why attack OP? political campaigns actively strategize about particular demographic groups
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 07:11 AM
Apr 2015

The projections and attacks re the OP are just weird to me.

What is it with DU these days?

I've been very close to a few extremely progressive political campaigns and they, like everyone else, talked about reaching "black voters" and what factors led to relative candidate strength or weakness in that community. How is that racist or "blaming Negroes?"


 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
63. Easily estimated
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 08:25 AM
Apr 2015

Majority African American Wards (according to 2010 census): 3,4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 16, 17, 18, 20, 21, 24, 28, 29, 34

Percentages in those wards:

Ward 3
Rahm 65% Chuy 34%

Ward 4
Rahm 58% Chuy 42%

Ward 5
Rahm 56% Chuy 44%

Ward 6
Rahm 56% Chuy 44%

Ward 7
Rahm 56% Chuy 44%

Ward 8
Rahm 58% Chuy 42%

Ward 9
Rahm 58% Chuy 42%

Ward 16
Rahm 51% Chuy 49%

Ward 17
Rahm 55% Chuy 45%

Ward 18
Rahm 51% Chuy 49%

Ward 21
Rahm 58% Chuy 42%

Ward 24 (West Side)
Rahm 52% Chuy 48%

Ward 28 (West Side)
Rahm 58% Chuy 42%

Ward 29 (West Side)
Rahm 57% Chuy 43%

Sampling of Rahm's total in the heavily white wards

Ward 41 (Far North West)
Rahm 64% Chuy 36%

Ward 47 (North center)
Rahm 62% Chuy 37%

Ward 44 (Lakeview, North Lincoln Park, etc. roughly 80% white, young)
Rahm 75% Chuy 24%




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