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Scientists restore the good name of Brontosaurus
By Will Dunham
Reuters, Tuesday, April 7, 2015
WASHINGTON (Reuters) Paleontologists are restoring the good name of Brontosaurus more than a century after it was deemed scientifically invalid and the famous dinosaur was reclassified as another genus called Apatosaurus.
They unveiled on Tuesday an exhaustive analysis of Brontosaurus remains, first unearthed in the 1870s, and those of closely related dinosaurs, determining that the immense, long-necked plant-eater was not an Apatosaurus and deserved its old name back.
Paleontologist Emanuel Tschopp of Portugals Universidade Nova de Lisboa cited important anatomical differences including Apatosaurus possessing a wider neck than Brontosaurus and being even more massively built.
The differences between Apatosaurus and Brontosaurus are numerous enough to revive Brontosaurus as a separate genus from Apatosaurus, Tschopp said.
Brontosaurus, which lived in North America around 150 million years ago in the Jurassic Period, was about 72 feet (22 meters) long and weighed about 40 tons.
Brontosaurus and T. rex are the two most popular dinosaur names ever, said Universidade Nova de Lisboa paleontologist Octávio Mateus. Even 112 years after paleontologists considered it invalid, the name Brontosaurus still echoes in the popular culture. It was indeed a very cool dinosaur name.
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http://newsdaily.com/2015/04/scientists-restore-the-good-name-of-brontosaurus/
PeerJ article: https://peerj.com/articles/857/
Now if only we could restore Pluto to planethood...
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)My god, how did they find a place to stand?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Now aliens, they might be reeeeeeeeeally big. Big. Big. Big.
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University of Barcelona cosmologist Fergus Simpson has been thinking deeply about alien size. He recently published a paper entitled "The Nature of Inhabited Planets And Their Inhabitants."
He relies on a mathematical model that says other planets conserve energy just like we do. "Throughout the animal kingdom, species which are physically larger invariably possess a lower population density, possibly due to their enhanced energy demands," he says.
Bigger beings consume more and release more energy than do smaller beings.
Earth, he says, "constitutes a simple random sample amongst inhabited planets." We have more smaller beings than larger ones. He doesn't believe, however, that Earth is a fair sample. Instead, he says that "most inhabited planets are likely to be closer in size to Mars than the Earth."
If that is true, then "since population density is widely observed to decline with increasing body mass, we conclude that most intelligent species are expected to exceed 300kg." Yes, that would be 650 pounds.
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This alien has a big body, but a small head.
That's more like my self-portrait, though, dinosaur dat I am.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)PeoViejo
(2,178 posts)His Mother took in Laundry......
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!
shenmue
(38,506 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)New Horizons: Navigating to Pluto
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/astronomy-news/new-horizons-navigating-to-pluto-040320154/
starroute
(12,977 posts)I expect 2015 will be the year when general consensus, built upon our new knowledge of these two objects, will return Pluto and add Ceres to our family of solar system planets.
The efforts of a very small clique of Pluto-haters within the International Astronomical Union (IAU) plutoed Pluto in 2006. Of the approximately 10,000 internationally registered members of the IAU in 2006, only 237 voted in favor of the resolution redefining Pluto as a dwarf planet while 157 voted against; the other 9,500 members were not present at the closing session of the IAU General Assembly in Prague at which the vote to demote Pluto was taken. Yet Plutos official planetary status was snatched away.
Ceres and Pluto are both spheroidal objects, like Mercury, Earth, Jupiter and Saturn. Thats part of the agreed upon definition of a planet. They both orbit a star, the Sun, like Venus, Mars, Uranus and Neptune. Thats also part of the widely accepted definition of a planet.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Have you heard anything new from Ceres, starroute? There were the fascinating pictures with the white protrusions that are all but forgotten now.
I can no longer find the GIF that showed the spots as they moved with the planetoid's rotation. I remember -- perhaps mistakenly -- that the white portion seemed to remain as they followed past the terminator, before going completely to the far side. I'll post if I can find the thing.
Not talking about truth, but the fundamental approach to knowledge, specifically in its sharing is truly democratic. Guess they've found there's more money to be made by limiting its distribution and then selling what's in short supply.
starroute
(12,977 posts)I read them, take them with a grain of salt, and move on. Most of them involve the idea that NASA is hiding something -- ranging from alien artifacts or the US military having a covert space program that's a century ahead of anything we know about to simply the idea that they have good evidence of low-level life and don't want to stir up the fundies.
The last of those seems vaguely plausible -- the others not -- but in any case we'll see what they come up with when more pictures are released.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)My guess is that the bright thing is a frozen volcanic eruption of subsurface ice. Once the gusher breaks through the crater basin, it freezes as it starts to shoot up.
Probably something else, as things that far out from the sun don't get all that hot -- unless one face stares at the sun for extended periods. Ceres spins.
The Fundies may yet soil their undies. Can't wait to see more images.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Mine would be all of Cerus is an ice ball covered in billions of years of interplanetary dust. Any recent impact would expose the actual surface.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Small wet moons are going to be of much greater interest than lifeless rocks of any size anywhere in the solar system.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Where did that come from? Do you know what museum that is?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)frogmarch
(12,153 posts)Oh, well, I'll leave my post.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/biography/dinosaur-rivalry/
frogmarch
(12,153 posts)the Dino Wars. Thanks for posting it. Quite a story this was - and is!
Here's a PBS American Experience doc "Dinosaur Wars." I just found it and haven't watched it yet, but I think it may be the full documentary.
frogmarch
(12,153 posts)Photo caption:
"This photograph from 1934 and shows the Carnegie Museum's Apatosaurus skeleton on the right wearing the wrong skull."
Carnegie Museum of Natural History
Change has come
(2,372 posts)Thank you for posting.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)A comparison shows dinosaur skulls used in the study to classify Diplodocidae dinosaurs, including the Apatosaurus and the disputed Brontosaurus. (Emanuel Tschopp et. al, PeerJ)
Brontosaurus and Apatosaurus, and all the sauropods, are beautiful.
PS: You are most welcome, Change has come!
PPS: I think I see where my severe overbite comes from -- check out "E."
Brother Buzz
(36,387 posts)They become a real nuisance in late fall when they discover and devour the budding illicit marijuana plots in the hills, then wander down and rampage lethargically through the local farmers markets. They've grown extremely fond of the baked goods. They favor the sticky buns and raisin bread in particular. After consuming all the pot and baked goods they fall over in the streets and slumber. That's when men wearing dark glasses fly in with their helicopters and relocate them far back in the hills, only to have the event repeat itself the following year.
The pot farmers want the pesky Brontosaurus removed from the endangered species list and the baker is spearheading the movement.
I did not take this photo but I witnessed the event. The photograph is not photoshopped.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)It's front legs seem longer than its back ones.
Great photo, BTW. Didn't know dinosaurs were into that sort of thing.
Brother Buzz
(36,387 posts)they all look the same to me.
Gothmog
(144,944 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)When people corrected me for using the name, I felt a certain sadness -- not just for me or them, but for a creature which once existed, then did not.
Now that it exists again, maybe we'll see more examples of what once was lost is now found.
Cirque du So-What
(25,908 posts)Eat like Fred Flintstone!
Octafish
(55,745 posts)It was Beauty killed the Beast.
calimary
(81,127 posts)Set it in my window! I wanna see my car tip over!
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Really, he wouldn't have fit on the ark.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)jmowreader
(50,530 posts)Renowned for its ability to decay into the purest gasoline imaginable, Gasosaurus' most easily identifiable feature is that all four of its legs are set on a straight line running right down the middle of the beast.
Gasosaurus did not die out with the rest of the dinosaurs; he evolved into the Shmoo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shmoo
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)They want to be Raptured.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)They really think they can..
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)They liked to play together. ❤
Octafish
(55,745 posts)That top o' the food chain predator evolved into today's GOP bird-brain mindset.
As for the domestication of cats, they guard us from the ungnome.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Brontosaurus and stegosaurus are just cuter, that's all....
But how was I to know, tyrannosaurus would become such a comedian?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Poets are the unrecognized rulers of the universe.
Then, again, you knew that, Spitfire of ATJ.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Not the Fred Flintstone John Goodman with the Wilma and Betty thing. Gosh, though, now come to think of it! Wow.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)THAT's IT!!!!!!!! Exactly. Precisely. Perfectly. Even the color.
Thank you, Spitfire of ATJ.
As a second grader, I owned a blue T-rex. It looked something like this:
If anyone reading lost a blue T-rex at Stottlemyer School about 1964, I still owe you a T-rex.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)As for Pluto, if they put Pluto back as a planet, all my old astrology books would be vindicated. WooWoo!
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Through time and space.
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Due to increasing interest and the number of submissions were getting, it was clear we needed to extend this public outreach activity, said Jim Green, director of NASAs Planetary Science Division at the agencys headquarters in Washington. This campaign not only reveals the publics excitement about the mission, but helps the team, which will not have time to come up with names during the flyby, to have a ready-made library of names in advance to officially submit to the IAU.
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http://www.nasa.gov/press/2015/april/nasa-extends-campaign-for-public-to-name-features-on-pluto/
All are connected.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Thanks for posting, OF
Liberal_Dog
(11,075 posts)I never used that other name. So, it is way cool that this has finally happened.
K & R.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)You can't bear to say things that aren't. Like a Turning Point in a movie -- the good ones. Naming things by their proper names is a step toward Justice.
Like when referring to pretzeldent Smirko McCokespoon as "President George W Bush." Couldn't utter it, even in a business environment where the agenda including mention of the governor or Texas. Barfed at the thought of the Big Lie.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Truth-Speakers vindicated by Reality.
G_j
(40,366 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)LOLOLOLOLOLOL from the Triassic through the Cretaceous! Thank you G_j! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!
Plus that's MY theory, too. Just because someone else said it first doesn't mean it isn't true. Ahem. Cough.
G_j
(40,366 posts)Elk: The Theory by A. Elk brackets Miss brackets. My theory is along the following lines.
Host: Oh God.
Elk: All brontosauruses are thin at one end, much MUCH thicker in the middle, and then thin again at the far end. That is the theory that I have and which is mine, and what it is too.
Host: That's it, is it?
Elk: Right, Chris.
Host: Well, Anne, this theory of yours seems to have hit the nail on the head.
Elk: And it's mine.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Television has never known, nor will it ever know again; yay, nor humanity has ever known, nor will ever know again; a moment in our time passing through that particular point of purity, peace, and perfection. The world made sense -- as in that it is both a comedy and a tragedy and it's a blessing and a privilege (not curse and sentence) to be part of it.
In fact, if that moment with Miss Elk didn't enlighten every viewer, we may be beyond the reach of the flame of wisdom, were it not for Mr. Tony Orlando, who once said on network television:
At which point, my mind became clear and it was as if I, for that one brief instant, was one with -- and transparent to -- the great Beyond-ish. And we hope for Others to Visit who are Good, rather than Ones who are closer to what we -- as in humanity -- Deserve.
luckily the ripples travel far, even through time.
Humor is health, like inner jogging. It's also a glimpse of a clarity into who we are. There are Zen moments, that was one. I never would have thought of it.
calimary
(81,127 posts)I was just posing the question on Facebook. Today Brontosaurus. Tomorrow, Pluto?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)New Horizons: Pluto lander would be 'spectacular' next mission
by Hannah Osborne
International Business Times, April 8, 2015 17:32 BST
A Pluto lander would be a "spectacular" next mission after New Horizons, as the planet could potentially be used as an observatory, an expert has said.
Alan Stern, principal investigator of the New Horizons mission, spoke to IBTimes UK as the team gears up for the closest ever encounter with Pluto in July.
Over the coming weeks, Stern said the team will be making their final preparations: "April is a very busy time for us," he said. "We have the first observations from a number of instruments on board. We're doing a lot of navigation to home in on Pluto. We're planning a homing burn, meaning an engine trajectory correction in May.
"We're also conducting the last few mission simulations to train our team and prepare for the encounter. There are three of them in April and they're all very important."
New Horizons is just two months away from its flyby of Pluto, having launched in January 2006. At time of writing, it was 115 million kilometres (71 million miles) from the dwarf planet.
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http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/new-horizons-pluto-lander-would-be-spectacular-next-mission-1495456
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)A mere ruse by the Brontosuarial Industrial Complex to sell even more chicken bones to an unsuspecting public.
(This is how I fashionably advertise my half-witted (though trendy) skepticism and cynicism-- it's really the In Thing these days)
Octafish
(55,745 posts)"You know, General Sherman had it all wrong. It's not war that's hell, it's peace that's hell." -- former Sec. of Defense (and former CIA director) James Schlesinger, honored at the Military Order of the Carabao luncheon, 2002.
http://www.thebaffler.com/salvos/in-the-good-old-wallow-time
also great reading:
http://www.villagevoice.com/2003-01-28/news/the-empire-strikes-back/